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Facebook Launches Initiative To Attract More Minorities and Women To Coding (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Facebook has launched TechPrep, a new initiative to attract more minorities and women into coding. The project draws a very strong analogy between the learning of computer coding skills and the learning of spoken languages, a field which is important to people whose first language is not English, and which engages with the popular understanding that women are better at learning languages. TechPrep is seeking to engage with parents and guardians to get its target audience into coding earlier in life.

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  1. How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about hiring more people over 40 as well.

    1. Re:How about... by RingDev · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can't speak for Facebook, but my team is currently comprised of

      8 Caucasian men
      1 Caucasian woman
      5 Indian men
      4 Indian women
      2 Asian men

      (Note that my metro area is ~78% white). I can only hire from the applications I receive, so I can't bring in Latino or African American devs/BAs/PMs/etc... I've been thinking about doing an outreach program to see about visiting some of our local high schools' CS programs and see what I can learn about our next generation of coders.

      The youngest people on my team are late 20s. A couple of months ago one of the women on my team retired. I have multiple team members that are looking at full retirement in the next 5 years (one of whom I hired last year). Probably half of my team is in the 40+ category and a good portion of that has been hired on in the last 3 years.

      There are dev managers in the world that don't give a crap about your age or skin color as long as you can code, document, lead, teach, test, implement, or what ever else we need done.

      -Rick

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      "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
    2. Re:How about... by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are dev managers in the world that don't give a crap about your age or skin color as long as you can code, document, lead, teach, test, implement, or what ever else we need done.

      Maybe we should stop putting people into categories and treating them differently (+ or -) based on the amount of pigment in their skin?

      Maybe we should judge people not based on the color of their skin but on the content of their character?

    3. Re:How about... by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      I can only hire from the applications I receive, so I can't bring in Latino or African American devs/BAs/PMs/etc

      Then you need to do more recruiting. If the corporation is more interested in meeting diversity targets, then you don't need to worry about qualifications; just go find someone and hire them for the job. I'm sure the cafeteria janitor can become a PM or developer.

    4. Re:How about... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      You better hope he's just a white geezer. If that's a black lesbian, you're in SO deep shit...

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    5. Re:How about... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Listen, if I get an application that fits the profile and the person provides what I'm looking for, I'm hiring him or her.

      I am not going to compromise the financial situation of my company for the sake of pandering to some PC fad.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    6. Re:How about... by x0ra · · Score: 2

      "I am a non-semicolon terminated line, I DEMAND to be considered as any other semicolon terminated line is."

    7. Re:How about... by flajann4415 · · Score: 2

      I'm over 50, and my phone rings off the hook with recruiters falling over themselves to plug me into a new job. These days, it only takes a week or less to find new work in the software arena. If there is age discrimination anywhere, I am scratching my head why I am not seeing it.

  2. It's a daily SJW treat now! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hooray smash the patriarchy!

    1. Re:It's a daily SJW treat now! by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm still waiting on all the "Why aren't there more straight men in the fashion industry?" articles that I just know must be coming any day now. ....still waiting......

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    2. Re:It's a daily SJW treat now! by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only thing keeping straight males out of the fashion industry is feedback from straight males.

      Nope, these articles have taught me that the only possible explanation for the underrepresentation of a gender or race in a given field is that the field is either hostile or discriminatory (or both). It can't possibly be by personal choice or because of social pressure from within the gender or race itself.

      If someone isn't present, it's because they're being excluded or discriminated against by the powers in the field.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    3. Re:It's a daily SJW treat now! by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      " there is a strong stigma that can be simplified as "X can't/shouldn't do Y""

      You just hit the nail on the herad there pal. The question isn't why aren't there more women in high tech, but rather why are there so many men? Just because you can (sort of) doesn't mean you should. Seriously. If you got into computers because it is "where the money is", please leave the industry ASAP. You are ruining it for the competent among us. Thanks.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  3. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not just get people who are actually interested in coding to participate? Why do they have to be women or minorities? That seems rather bigoted.

    1. Re:Why? by x0ra · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because STEM is paying well, and the induced physical risk and requirement is null. You will never see a progressive campaigning to have more women working in mines.

    2. Re:Why? by plopez · · Score: 2

      Are you assuming there are no women and minorities who are interested? Or who might be interested if it were presented in the correct manner (which does not imply easier).

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      putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
    3. Re:Why? by x0ra · · Score: 2

      My point has not been demonstrated to be false, because we don't have the same definition of "miners". Point that highlighted by the comparison between fighter pilot and drone pilots.

    4. Re:Why? by x0ra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So an administrative secretary working in a mine would fit as "miner" ?

  4. Coding is irrelevant by x0ra · · Score: 2

    The way concepts are expressed is irrelevant, what matter is how structured they are to one another. To make a culinary parallel, everybody can use a pan and a pot, but not everybody can marry food in delicate and tasty way.

    This, or Facebook is looking for code monkey.

  5. I know a lot about this comment by thedonger · · Score: 3, Insightful
    FTA:

    Another notable finding was that men were five times more likely than women to say that they knew a lot about computer programming.

    Holy shit, really? Men are more likely to claim they know a lot about anything.

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    Help fight poverty: Punch a poor person.
    1. Re:I know a lot about this comment by plopez · · Score: 2

      That's not the only thing they lie about. ;)

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      putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
  6. Define minority by srees · · Score: 2

    Define minority please. Heck, for that matter these days, define women! This is baloney. I don't give a rat's ass about a programmer's sex, color, background, etc. I care that they like what they do and that they do a good job of it, without being offensive to the team. Frankly, I care more if they smoke or wear too much cologne and come in stinking up the office several times a day.

    1. Re:Define minority by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's any racial group that's in the minority in a given population--except Asians of course, because they just learn, work hard, and refuse to play victims.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    2. Re:Define minority by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

      Here are the 2015 Scripps National Spelling Bee finalists:

      https://lintvkoin.files.wordpr... ...or, as like to call them, "7 reasons why the myth of Asian high achievement isn't a myth, and also 3 white kids."

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    3. Re:Define minority by chipschap · · Score: 2

      I read through the linked article and it's enough to make me sick. In the end it's just another feminist who hates evil white males, 100% of whom are oppressors and 100% of whom deserve to die. The ostensible thesis, though, is that by praising successful Asians we promote prejudice against blacks. Seriously ... white people can't get anything right, apparently ... even when they praise people who have overcome hardship and done well, there has to be a reprehensible motive for it.

      Many people have worked their way up. With great courage and perseverance they earned their success. They deserve praise. And we ought to, now, withhold that praise because some others didn't succeed in the same way?

  7. Why not just hire the best people for the job. by Fragnet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It doesn't matter what shape their genitals are.

    1. Re:Why not just hire the best people for the job. by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because SJW.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    2. Re:Why not just hire the best people for the job. by Orgasmatron · · Score: 3, Informative

      That sounds cruel.

      The underrepresented group is the "low IQ" group, and unless I missed some big developments, IQ isn't something that can be acquired by seeking.

      The root problem is that membership in the fundamental group is not distributed evenly across superficial demographic groups. But reality (genetics) can't be moved by wishing, shrieking or blaming.

      The implications of IQ distribution by demographic groups has been discussed in gruesome detail elsewhere. Pay particular attention to the parts about thresholds and tails.

      Of course, everyone already knows this, and are increasingly recognizing that these stories are about power, not programming.

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      See that "Preview" button?
    3. Re:Why not just hire the best people for the job. by LessThanObvious · · Score: 2

      I would hire a black person, I would hire a woman, I would hire a latino, I would never hire a SJW.

  8. YAMICI by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    I reckon these initiatives are close to outnumbering the people in the target groups. They'll have to start moonlighting to keep up with the supply.

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  9. Re:Facebook to abuse minorities and women! by plopez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yep. Women and minorities work for lower pay.

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    putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
  10. Re:Please tell me I'm not the only one bothered by by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People who think computer languages are anything like natural languages know nothing about either.

  11. because ebonics by rtkluttz · · Score: 2

    Not mine, copied from a forum...

    sup
    {
        gimme fibo bitch
        a be 1 bitch
        b be 1 bitch
        putou a bitch
        putou b bitch
        fibo be fibo widout 2 bitch
        slongas (fibo bepimpin 0)
            c be a an b bitch
            a be b bitch
            b be c bitch
            putou b bitch
            dissin fibo bitch
        nomo
    }

    --
    Digital is, by definition, imperfect. Analog is the way to go.
  12. The purpose is to reduce wages not increase them. by trout007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can be sure anytime employees want more people in a field it means they want to reduce labor costs.

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    I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
  13. Programming is not a language by tomhath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    seeks to analogise coding skills with language skills to make the subject of computer science less forbidding and opaque

    Good luck with that. Programming is about logic, not language.

    1. Re:Programming is not a language by fnj · · Score: 2

      Get your head out of your arse. Programming is not strictly a science.

      It sure as hell isn't a liberal art. And you can't treat it like a language used to communicate with people. You don't get your head out of your ass and distinguish clearly between to, too, two, Two, TWO, etc., and you are a shitty programmer. If you write about a car's breaks, or braking a dish, a human can figure out what you actually mean inside that besotted head, but a compiler cannot.

    2. Re:Programming is not a language by avandesande · · Score: 2

      Yeah by writing it, not speaking it. I don't know how many times a customer has given me a nonsensical requirement and when I asked them to write it down they then realized it didn't make any sense.

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      love is just extroverted narcissism
  14. Re:Please tell me I'm not the only one bothered by by trout007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Programming languages exist because natural languages are ambiguous. This is why the whole legal profession exists.

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    I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
  15. Women are better by mesterha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So if woman are better at languages then there are differences (surprise) between the sexes. If you open that door, maybe men are better at programming.

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    Chris Mesterharm
  16. Re:It is about culture. by truck_soccer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All those things you mentioned as "geek culture" are the new mainstream. Look at the news media: Today is back to the future day? Star Wars merchandising permeating EVERY media outlet? Your logic has failed. My "geek" friends no longer wish to identify with "geek culture" and have since kept all of their inherent "geekiness" under wraps because it has become a giant pain in the ass, and the most obnoxious thing any "geek" can experience is having people talking to them about common interests. To be a geek is to be socially inept, and as such this new found corporate fascination with all things "geek" has created a cultural paradox. Much like how the word "hipster" is regularly used today to describe the exact opposite of what a hipster is.

  17. Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I learned today: It's okay to say women are better at language, but clearly men can't be better at programming.

  18. Politically Correct Compliance Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's see what passes the PC compliance test:

          "Women are better at learning spoken languages" - PASS
          "Therefore men are not as good as woman at learning spoken languages" - Eyebrow inperceptively raised, but PASS
          "Men are better [on average] than women at computer programming" - RED ALERT RED ALERT RED ALERT !!!

  19. Re:is this really a problem? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    When I worked at Cisco, I was part of a minority group that two white guys and one Latino guy, all native born. Everyone else was from India.

  20. Remember the story how FB won't hire grey beards? by CQDX · · Score: 2

    And multiple posts by people over 30 were saying they won't even consider working for FB? It's SJW shit like this that experienced engineers loathe.

  21. Re:It is about culture. by x0ra · · Score: 2

    Not only a girl, but the typical, if not stereotypical, SJW, as far as I can see...

  22. Re:Please tell me I'm not the only one bothered by by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    When I was looking through college catalogs in the early 1990's, some degree programs allowed the substitution of foreign language classes with programing language classes. Alas, eight years in Commodore 64 BASIC didn't qualify as an acceptable programming language for college.

  23. Re:The purpose is to reduce wages not increase the by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    There isn't that much difference. The main reason you'd want slaves is so that your labor cost is close to zero: the only cost involved with a slave is the initial purchase price, and then the ongoing maintenance costs (mainly food, but also housing and medical care). Of course, these days with government welfare programs it's probably cheaper to hire cheap laborers than to buy slaves: by paying the workers minimum wage, they qualify for government assistance, so you effectively outsource some of the cost of that worker to the government, and by extension the taxpayers at large. With slaves, you have to pay for all their costs, plus you have to go to the trouble of managing their daily lives too, instead of letting them do it themselves like you do with non-slave workers.

  24. Re:It is about culture. by x0ra · · Score: 2

    A 200lb black women wearing a Captain America outfit at Comic-Con is not being part of geek culture.

  25. Re: It is about culture. by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do geeks very laid more now? Do they get hassled less? Do women swoon and men feel small at the sound of a Star Wars quote from a neckbeard? The mainstream may have appropriated geek things but little has changed for the average geek. Just watch Big Bang Theory for an example of how geeks are viewed.

  26. Re:It is about culture. by russotto · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's 2015. Many women already ARE endeared to geek culture.

    Impossible. University of Washington Assistant Professor of Social Justice Sapna Cheryan has made her career demonstrating that first of all, women don't like geek culture, and second, that's why there aren't so many women in tech, and third, if we just stomped on the geeks, made them dress like normal people and put away their toys, we'd have parity between men and women in tech.

  27. More misandrist articles by ruir · · Score: 2

    In a male dominated board. Bring it on fuckers, it is excellent PR.