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The Coming Tech Gig Economy (infoworld.com)

snydeq writes: The rise of contract and contingent work is shaking up the traditional IT career path, with the days of decades-long careers in corporate environments dwindling for many IT pros. "And it's not only nonstop cost cutting that has businesses favoring IT contractors they can bring on — or scale back — as necessary without paying benefits. Emerging platforms, in particular around the cloud, have many organizations shifting their staffing models toward project-based, contingent work in hopes of landing the key skills necessary for their businesses to stay competitive in a constantly evolving technical landscape. ... How should you adjust to this shifting employment landscape? Should you broaden your skills or specialize? Should you develop a plan to strike out on your own or double-down on the skills that will remain invaluable for retaining long-term, full-time employment?'

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  1. Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Organizations willing to take on itinerant contractors instead of hiring employees will soon learn a painful, and very expensive lesson in the dollar value of organizational memory.

    1. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      value of organizational memory.

      I agree. Most rotating-contractor-made systems I worked on were a fricken mess.

      It seems contracted work is best for easy-to-define "grunt work" (for lack of a better way to describe it). For example, data entry, simple back-end CRUD ui's that don't have to be pretty, researching an easy-to-reproduce bug, formatting documentation prettier, etc.

      Domain knowledge is under-valued in IT. My work is often far better after I learn the domain, often because I ask better questions or present better alternatives that simplify things rather than interpret initial instructions literally.

      It's true that some permanent IT staff are also screw-ups. But, the solution is either better management of them, or get more disciplined staff, NOT outsourcing.

    2. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by zlives · · Score: 2

      but cloud and all things are fixed... right

    3. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Informative
      The days of a lifetime job at one company have been over for at least 3 decades really.

      Best advice...get your first jobs out of school. Work, network....make business contacts and friends, and hone your skills to become marketable.

      While doing this, incorporate yourself. This will prepare you for contract work when you are ready. Remember all those business contacts and all? Well, those will help lead you into contract jobs or even direct ones as you move from job to job.

      But if doing contracting...INCORPORATE yourself. Learn to budget and plan. You have to save money while making it, for the down times...and retirement.

      But for all that extra effort, there *IS* benefits. You are your own boss. You get to call the hours you work. And you can write off a shit ton of stuff perfectly legally...write those expenses off. And eventually, get a CPA to help guide you.

      There are many ways to do it, I prefer the S-Corp method.

      With this, yes there is more paperwork (CPA helps here, and their fees are reasonable and deductible)....but you can keep more of your hard earned money.

      It can work like this. Let's say for simplicity...you bill $100K a year.

      With the S-corp, you pay yourself a "reasonable" salary....the IRS is vague on this, but let's be reasonable and say you pay yourself a salary of say, $40K. Now, on that $40K, you pay out of that SS and medicare, employer and employee....and your state and fed taxes (if you state taxes you).

      The rest of the $60K...at EOY, falls through to your personal taxes (assuming single person business)...now, take all your deductions from that....and what's left, is only taxed for state and federal....you save the SS and medicare taxation this way.

      What's left is all yours.

      100% perfectly legal, and if you just keep records...and play by the rules, you can save enough money to keep things worth the effort.

      Also, don't forget, you have your own insurance. That's no biggie, especially if getting into this young. Get yourself a "high deductible" insurance policy, which today is I believe $1500 (I don't have my files handy right now for exact numbers)...with this, you can open a HSA (Health Savings Account) into which you can sock away $3500 pre-tax, which also decreases your taxable income. Out of the HSA, you pay your routine meds...Dr. visits, optical, dentist...etc.

      The nice thing about a HSA..is that it is NOT use or lose like a FSA (Flexible Savings Acct. offered with some W2 jobs)....with HSA, any leftovers can be rolled over year after year. You can even invest monies in an HSA..and eventually excess can become retirement $$ for you.

      So, yes, you have to be responsible.

      Yes, you have to manage your money.

      Yes, you have to learn your worth and learn to NEGOTIATE...so that you can cover your expenses, money needed for retirement and insurance, and vacation time off. But this isn't rocket science, you just need to learn to become an adult and take care of yourself and learn how to protect your interests.

      One last piece of advice....if you are an American citizen, try to get into Federal Contracting...you can do LONG multi-year contracts that offer much more stability. If you can make sure not to have a lot of skull bong moment pictures of yourself on social media while growing up, you can pretty readily get a clearance....and then, you are really SET for profitable, long term money making with at least as much stability as today's W2 worker.

      Yes, the days of steady employment and loyalty from a company have been LONG over...if you're gonna get treated like a contractor and not have any more stability than a contractor...you might as well get the BILL RATE as a contractor to make it all worth while.

      That and you can save more of your hard earned tax $$'s this way too.

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    4. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean be successful like Facebook, Amazon, IBM, and many other top tier firms?

    5. Re: Dump them as fast as you can by LDAPMAN · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The "gig" economy is not about replacing in-house workers or saving money. Organizations are doing this to bring in specific skills and domain knowledge they could never hope to hire as a normal employee. I'm brought in as an addition to the team, not a replacement. I also usually provide training to the normal employees as well.

    6. Re: Dump them as fast as you can by happyslayer · · Score: 2

      I'm brought in as an addition to the team, not a replacement. I also usually provide training to the normal employees as well.

      This, precisely, has been my experience. Although TFS points out (properly, I think) that "cloudiness" is a big influence, it's actually going the other way--the local IT staff have enough on their hands without having to learn all the ins and outs of the latest shiny toy that management has acquired, but didn't realize needs a lot of work to make operable.

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    7. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 2

      All this is fine in a place where you can make enough to do this...

      I live in PA and work in IT (I have over 15 years in the field) and when I see say... a 6 month contract. They are paying 10-20k. Figuring you get 2 of those back to back to fir perfectly in a year your take home is 20-40k for a year. Unless you live in your parents basement living on that and then incorporating on top of that is going to be pretty insanely expensive. Certainly it is without benefits. Simple health care is going to run you ~$150-200/month on your own (unless you want to pay for nothing

      Heck, I just saw a 2 month contract for Pittsburgh, PA and Strongville, OH... For $4k.The requirements to get the job are awfully high (nearly a decade of experience with Websphere, Windows, and Linux administration). Not including travel costs between locations. Heck they don't even reimburse you for the costs of the interview unless you get the job and they came to me. But... For what they wanted and what they were paying, it wasn't interesting for me.

      In my experience in my state, contract work is for suckers because it's used by companies to undercut real employment. It's also used to get workers for much less than full time ones cost. 'Negotiate'? That doesn't happen. They tell you what they are paying and you can take it or leave it.

      Locally government contracting is almost all short term programming gigs for the State. As someone who is not a programmer by trade, I haven't spent much time looking at them. I'd need to move to get Federal contracts and with my state not even being able to pass a budget for the last 5 months... Well not a good time to be a State employee.

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    8. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The cost of downtime is part of the contractors rate.
      120-240 an hour is to help pay for the weeks or months between jobs.

      If the company likes the person they renew his contract.

      Or you could charge half the amount and have a full time employee.

      Now these companies just need to realize that their employees are valuable and can bring more to the table, and not hire consultants to shift the blame of bad management

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    9. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Not really.

      organizational memory doesn't matter as human resources are best strip-mined and cast aside. If you stop using dedicated company specific processes and use open processes the goal becomes easier. simply easy to train software, and organization processes, means that the company doesn't have to train people to do thing the right way, or the company way and still get things done.

      As a point of reference my companies regular accountant and financial advisor left 4 months ago, his responiliblites got broken to 3 people and a temp accountant/ auditor to clean up the books. We are saving $25k a year right off the top.

      That reminds me I need to ask for a raise for picking up that slack.

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    10. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      zip it dipshit, you'll have to learn how to digest more than 140 characters for the important stuff

      I second everything said above, it's almost a check list of everything you'd need to go solo

    11. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Sure. but that's only because the employment environment in IT has become so toxic and insecure that you kind of HAVE to go it solo, with the inherent instability that comes with it. Then you end up wearing many more hats, having to devote less time to actual productive work, and also less time to staying current. And of course, the more people that fall into the gig economy, the worse it gets.

      Want to see what excess competition for wages does - look no further than Uber, where every driver is basically doing gig work, and not making anywhere near as much money as a cabbie was before. And no hope for a wage increase, because if they want more money, there are plenty of other people willing to take their place.

      With much of IT becoming the equivalent of a MacJob, all the "pointers" above will be useless.

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    12. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by jm007 · · Score: 1

      Job market realities are one thing and they do have to be factored in the equation, but the above line-out by cayanne8 was fairly good at explaining the non-coding (IT, whatever) aspects of running as a contractor business. I've had my own consulting/contracting company and ended up doing all of that stuff listed but had to learn the hard way over the years.

      Like most things, it's not for everyone but I've seen it work... it can be done, and yes, there is a certain amount of chance involved.

    13. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The days of a lifetime job at one company have been over for at least 3 decades really.

      Wrong. It's just less likely at bigger commercial concerns for work requiring less brainpower. But if you show yourself as invaluable to the survival or steady growth of a small firm, well, your boss will be as keen to keep you on as they are keen on the survival of their business. Ditto in academia, or even many larger non-profits. And most people aren't even working for big boys.

      network....make business contacts and friends,

      This is a way to get all the wrong sorts of jobs, though. "What qualifies you to be here?" "My friends put in a good word." This is just the sort of place I don't want to be.

      and hone your skills to become marketable.

      Although much less necessary now the pace of technological change has slowed. You need to keep your buzzwords up to date, learning a new set of syntactic sugar every couple of years, but the skillset remains relatively unchanged. What I had to learn between 1995 and 2005 was incredible. Last ten years not so much... I'm mostly reusing virtual machine / rent-a-computer concepts I had to deal with in '80s.

      But if doing contracting...INCORPORATE yourself.

      I expect this works better in certain jurisdictions and fields, as some countries are really good at making sure you do NOT benefit from incorporation-as-tax-avoidance.

      You are your own boss. You get to call the hours you work.

      This is misleading. A contractor's bosses are his clients! Work hours depend respectively on the requirements of the client / employer in a contractor / employee relationship, and can be stringent or flexible in either case.

      Yes, you have to learn your worth and learn to NEGOTIATE..

      You don't "have to" any more than as a regular employee, and - even more for contracting than employment - it's about knowing what the job is worth to the person who wants it done. Except in cases of nepotism, you find the cheapest person who fits all your requirements.

      so that you can cover your expenses, money needed for retirement and insurance, and vacation time off. But this isn't rocket science, you just need to learn to become an adult and take care of yourself and learn how to protect your interests.

      This is weirdly patronising and passive-aggressive. Every adult has to "take care of yourself and learn how to protect your interests", and the extra expenses of incorporation are barely more complex than household budgeting. What was once a creative use of the limited liability company has become quite routine.

      One last piece of advice....if you are an American citizen, try to get into Federal Contracting... [...] That and you can save more of your hard earned tax $$'s this way too.

      Ah, the moneyshot: to maximise your profit, get your snout in the trough while minimising your personal tax burden! I'd rather see half the government contractors I've met collecting welfare/unemployment/whatever-your-area-calls-it government money than collecting fat salaries from public funds for doing nothing.

    14. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by imac.usr · · Score: 1

      Sure, but if every project gets replaced with something brand-new every couple of years as management chases tech trends, what's the value of institutional memory anymore?

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    15. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1, Informative

      The days of a lifetime job at one company have been over for at least 3 decades really.

      The days of a "lifetime job" NEVER happened. It is a myth. Average job tenure is higher today that it has ever been in the past. Sure, back in the 1960s, there were some people that worked at the same company for 40 years, but not as many as you may think, and there were a lot more that did day work and odd jobs.

    16. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

      Best post I've seen on here in ages. Watch and learn kiddies. This is the road map to success.

    17. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's kind of hard to gain a competitive edge with IT and technology over other companies if you are using using everyday existing business processes and tools that every other company also already uses. I believe that was a major point of this whole story.

    18. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you're gonna get treated like a contractor and not have any more stability than a contractor...you might as well get the BILL RATE as a contractor to make it all worth while.

      That and you can save more of your hard earned tax $$'s this way too.

      You were doing good until this point.

      Contractors currently where I live are being paid about 1/3 of the average going market rate for the type of work. I am also hard pressed to find businesses that recommend or allow for upward movement or permanent hiring of their contractors. If you have college degree(s) the situation is even worse, because your cost of living (IE your net worth) goes down to the point that we are talking about a situation that is more akin to "Indentured Servitude" than anything that could be referred to as competitive employment.

      Due to the current events in the US such as outsourcing, surveillance and basic open hostility to those who are clearly the experts in STEM fields, unless the approach to how this business processes are conducted from the bottom up change, the situation is not going to change and the the US is going to keep loosing it's most valuable human capital. The term Hemorrhaging talent is a better description and it is almost impossible to make it clear to the gatekeepers that the sound of the current market is a loud sucking sound! If we want to return to being the leaders of the world in technology we are going to have to "Sweeten the deal" for the people in society that repeatedly show talent, instead of labeling them as "Hackers" and treating them like a class of criminals who are in an increasing class where the government mistakenly things that "Guilty until proven innocent" is an approach that is going to be tolerated.

    19. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by wyattstorch516 · · Score: 1

      The trouble with that is after the ACA even the high deductible plans have sky high premiums in most states. Unless you make little enough money to qualify for subsidies you wind up subsidizing everyone else on the plan.

    20. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      That depends on the complexity of the system and how specialized it is for the business. Some things can and should be outsourced. Email? Easily outsourced, it's a commodity. Security? Chances are it should be outsourced for your typical organization, who isn't going have qualified staff and therefore poses a risk not only to themselves to but the whole internet. That custom application at the core of the business? Not so much.

    21. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's one of those jobs the contractor left early before the project was completed and gave the middle finger to the company in question.

      Companies CAN be overly-cheap and incredibly stupid with their labor, and the net result is they get burned from their mismanagement. Then everyone see's their job postings and yells out the sky is falling. It isn't.

      The key is what are you doing for them, how much money are you making or saving them, and what are you getting out of it. If you're getting a considerable percentage of market for your work, then you're fine. Otherwise, if you're getting taken advantage of, time to leave.

    22. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by davester666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All that stuff is valuable next quarter. We need to beat the numbers THIS QUARTER you idiot!

      Then I get my bonus, and I leave for another company.

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    23. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with this, you can open a HSA (Health Savings Account) into which you can sock away $3500 pre-tax, which also decreases your taxable income. Out of the HSA, you pay your routine meds...Dr. visits, optical, dentist...etc.

      The nice thing about a HSA..is that it is NOT use or lose like a FSA (Flexible Savings Acct. offered with some W2 jobs)....with HSA, any leftovers can be rolled over year after year. You can even invest monies in an HSA..and eventually excess can become retirement $$ for you.

      I'd work out the math on this. My interpretation of the numbers is that it's actually cheaper for me to pay medical expenses with post-tax money than to withdraw anything from an HSA because the HSA can be invested and grow without ever having to pay capital gains tax, but I have low medical expenses and didn't actually math out the details.

    24. Re: Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      start wearing a suit and your butthurt disappears. also the ladies will look at you much more.

    25. Re: Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      start wearing a suit and your butthurt disappears. also the ladies will look at you much more.

      I dress appropriate to the work being done always. Yes wearing a suit and tie is appropriate in some positions but in a lot of them where I do actual work that may entail climbing, running cables, soldering or heavy lifting of rack equipment the suit is impractical and in some cases is a safety hazard.

      As for your comment on "butthurt", Your comment is ridiculous and it is not clear what you are trying to say. I am married to my high school sweetheart who was the prom queen so "ladies looking at me much more" as you put it is not something I am after. I am WELL taken care of in that department!

      What I am saying is that those with a rich skill set are under valued in terms of return on investment for the job being done period.

      What the hell did you think I meant? I am curious.

    26. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't "write stuff off" unless you're taking an actual loss. You "deduct" expenses because those expenses were directly related to your business function.

      Sorry, pet peeve since it's such a fundamental concept in paying taxes.

    27. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brilliant post, especially the last line.

    28. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by dablow · · Score: 2

      Outsourcing your e-mail isn't quite the deal it looks like it is.
      In some scenarios it's cheaper and in some it is not. It all depends on your situation.

      For example: I managed IT in a school. M$ licenses cost almost nothing (due to school pricing). So right off the bat I get Exchange & Windows server for approx ~$260. I have a simple 2 server+ SAN setup with vmware & HA enabled on it. System is pretty redundant and solid. Never gone down except due to my own stupidity. If I outsource our e-mail, last I checked they wanted $15/month/account from Outlook.com I have about 150 accounts...so 15*150= $2250/month + tax for email. FOREVER.$27,000.00 /year. FOREVER. Say that was the non-special negotiated price. Ok 50% cheaper. It's still 13500/year FOREVER.

      + they can't get rid of me because somebody needs to manage the accounts (unlock passwords, new accounts, delete old accounts etc.), they can't get rid of the infrastructure (teachers & students need computers with network/internet = DHCP servers, firwalls, DNS servers blaa blaa), we can't easily cloud the other servers (it is doable but with a lot of effort and cost to redesigning how everything works here + mandatory increase in internet bandwidth offsets a lot of the savings), and guess what? Because you become hyperdependant of the internet always working, you still need to build in redundant systems (2 firewalls + 2 ISPs or else everything goes down when the internet goes down).

      BTW Servers+SAN+VMWARE+VEEAM+misc (like a NAS to dump backups) cost approx $40k, ammortized in 5 years. Just 5 years of cloud email = $67,500 (at the cheaper rate). My salary was not included since either way I would be here. And btw that $40k also runs a bunch of other stuff that otherwise I would need to pay to have hosted elsewhere.

      Cloud, is not always a solution.

    29. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Organizations willing to take on itinerant contractors instead of hiring employees will soon learn a painful, and very expensive lesson in the dollar value of organizational memory.

      We're already experiencing this even with "permanent" employees: there is a large generation gap in many engineering disciplines and a lot of tribal knowledge is being lost as more and more principles and seniors retire before they can impart much of their knowledge onto the juniors.

    30. Re: Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're over thinking it. Keep your medical savings separate from your emergency savings ngs separate from your investments. The extra investment income, if any, is not worth the aggravation. You could also consider a ncreased risk: you're increased by your percentage of savings in a restricted fund that can't be used for most expenses. You might regret that at some point.

    31. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2
      The advice completely misses the hard stuff - like spending shoe leather banging on doors to business that most nerds are too afraid (shy) to do. If you can't get out there on your "down" days and see at least 20 different potential customers each day, you probably won't last. But of course, people are thinking "This is the internet - I'll just offer my services on my web site". You and every other too-afraid-of-talking-to-strangers geek. It says "know your worth" without getting into the practical details of how you can beat out the low-ball bidders (and there are lots of them).

      Contractors live in two states - either working, in which case they're not bringing in new customers, or not working, in which case they're out looking for new customers. Better that they read some of Weinberg's books..

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    32. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      The trouble with that is after the ACA even the high deductible plans have sky high premiums in most states. Unless you make little enough money to qualify for subsidies you wind up subsidizing everyone else on the plan.

      My insurance is about $570/month.

      That's pretty easy to cover in the bill rate.

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    33. Re: Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a woman, you jackass. (Oops, should have been: I'm a woman, you insensitive clod, but I'm not being sarcastic.) Why the living fuck should I care what cunts who believe that computers are for boys and that math is hard think of me?

    34. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This comment summarizes executive management, which they will not admit of course, perfectly. The American Corporation is on a "this quarter" only mentality... sales constantly pulls future sales into the present quarter, and then wonder why the next quarter is going slowly (I don't know, maybe because you booked everything early to inflate the current quarter and there is nothing in the pipeline now). It's all about NOW, never keeping things consistent.

    35. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Let's be clear, the above outlined system includes an element of luck and an element of tax fraud. You are playing audit roulette. Paying yourself a 40k salary anywhere outside of Bumfuck, MS is going to result in penalties and once they latch onto that, expect a majority of your deductions to get challenged. The level of record keeping you will need to maintain this, legally, is way more then anyone expects.
      Or, you can do a sole proprietor, pay your taxes, and still make good money.

      The only real reason to incorporate, is to protect yourself from lawsuits or if you intend to work with partners who muddy the financial water.

    36. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by pfg23 · · Score: 1

      Organizational memory isn't valuable, viz. Sturgeon's Law.

    37. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they won't. Managers in organizations like that will never have the intelligence to recognize the value of organizational memory.

    38. Re: Dump them as fast as you can by Dayze!Confused · · Score: 1

      But this can be easily negated by just keeping a spreadsheet of what medical expenses you have had and keeping the receipts. You can withdraw the money for medical expenses at any time after they have occurred, even 10 or 20 years later. By spending with post tax money and saving the receipts you allow yourself a way to stash a large amount of cash that can be used in early retirement without any penalties.

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    39. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by ananamouse · · Score: 1

      >...will soon learn a painful, and very expensive lesson in the dollar value of organizational memory.
      Citation? My experience is that they haven't yet and I would not expect them to start now.

    40. Re: Dump them as fast as you can by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      The people complaining about stuff like this don't have 'specific skills'.

      I like:

      1) Doing something once

      2) Showing someone else how to do that so I can do 'something once' again.

      The 'gig' economy is great for workers like this.

    41. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      So as long you get your licenses practically for free, ignore other related infrastructure costs, along with cost of administration, it makes more sense to do it yourself? Yeah, I can see that.

    42. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by dablow · · Score: 1

      Ok, I'll bite.....

      What other infrastructure costs am I ignoring? Like I mentioned in my post, I still need to keep it all around for the other servers I host (and to move those to a cloud provider would require a lot of time & $$$ to make things work), and last I checked the students & staff's computers depend on you know network infrastructure. As for the administration, I would still be the one doing the administration regardless it's clouded or not. In every possible scenario I can conceive of clouding my e-mail ends up costing significantly more than the current setup. In terms of stability and up time, I am currently as near as you can get to 100% uptime.

      I am not saying doing it in-house is always the best option. You need to look at your company and use the cloud where it makes sense. It's not the be all end-all solution to IT that the major players are making it out to be.

      Here is a scenario where it does make perfect sense: a small company, about 5-10 people. They want to have company e-mails, a file server and some industry specific software they need to run their business.

      Another is a huge multinational corporation that has to keep a few data centers around to meet it's computing needs but IT is not their primary business.

    43. Re: Dump them as fast as you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And so the pendulum swings in IT again

    44. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      That is not long, someone must be used to "tweeter". 8-)

      Good description, some good ideas, thanks

      And I didn't see any tax fraud there, it is legal to deduct expenses. And most businesses have more expenses than they realize.

    45. Re: Dump them as fast as you can by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      The "gig" economy is not about replacing in-house workers or saving money. Organizations are doing this to bring in specific skills and domain knowledge they could never hope to hire as a normal employee. I'm brought in as an addition to the team, not a replacement. I also usually provide training to the normal employees as well.

      Good point.

      The problems mentioned are often because the person has no unusual skills, so they are competing with many hungry others.

      Hint: Study the hard stuff, that others don't want to bother with. Find a field where this seems to you to be fun. When people (who do not have your welfare at hart) tell you this is a waste of time, smile and nod and ignore them. 8-)

    46. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      The question is: What does the company actually sell? Could it be those specific processes, that require special knowledge?

      If so, then outsourcing will destroy the company, because it will, in effect, have nothing to sell... 8-(

    47. Re:Dump them as fast as you can by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      >...will soon learn a painful, and very expensive lesson in the dollar value of organizational memory.
      Citation? My experience is that they haven't yet and I would not expect them to start now.

      It's simple enough. If they are successful, then it was not needed. If the company disappears and most employees lose everything, then they were wrong.

      But there is a delay effect, and the bigger the company the longer the delay. Beware of joining a company where the delay has already started.

  2. unionize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about we unionize and put an end to this nonsense?

    1. Re:unionize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IT != plumbing. It is impossible to unionize it. Oh, don't forget what happens to people who mention unions... they tend to not be able to find work in their... or any field.

    2. Re:unionize by jgotts · · Score: 1

      If you're afraid that what you write on Slashdot could jeopardize your job, then I advise you to quit. Specifically, though, we're talking about unionizing. I'll talk with anyone at any company I work for about unionizing, its pluses and minuses. Being a programmer is about intellectual freedom. If you can't speak your mind, then your ability to program the way you should is probably equally constrained.

      The chief benefit of a union for a programmer is this. Let's say that you were injured in a car accident and your intellectual abilities have suffered, but they may eventually recover. A union is the type of organization that might go to bat for you. For a man under 35, the biggest risk of substantial injury is in a vehicle accident.

      Programmers are supposed to be smart enough to be able to deal with the business side of their careers. But clearly we are NOT. Hence, Google offers to completely take over its employees financial affairs to get them in order. This benefit seems like Big Brother but to me it's actually quite a nice thing that Google is doing. Going to engineering school virtually bankrupted me, and it costs twice as much today.

    3. Re:unionize by Fwipp · · Score: 2

      If you're afraid that what you write on Slashdot could jeopardize your job, then I advise you to quit.

      Generally if you're worried about getting fired from your job, that means that quitting (and thus no longer having your job) is not a very desirable option.

    4. Re:unionize by OhPlz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Long term disability coverage is meant to protect you in situations like that. Every employer I've ever worked for either provided it outright, or at least offered it. You can also get such a plan yourself, do it when you're young and it won't cost much.

      Unions are great if you're dead weight and want to be protected. Those with marketable skills generally don't have need of them, nor want of them. Do you want to pay dues to an org that's going to fight to keep the dead weight around? I don't.

    5. Re:unionize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience, the first thing an employer will do if someone mentions "union"... is immediately "discover" something like one browsing porn, things missing, or something else like that and have the person fired on the spot.Don't forget the background checks. There is a certain company that the big boys use that checks out on employees a bit more than NCIC records, and someone mentioning the "U" word likely will be flagged as unhirable.

      I like my career. Sure beats competing against 100-200 other people for the drive through job at McDonalds, and I'm too old to join the Army. Let someone else bell the cat. Again, different A/C as the grandparent, but the idea of a union in the computer field is impossible. It just will mean the cap coming off of the H-1B allowance and the market flooded with people coming off the boats willing to do a CCIE or MCSE job for minimum wage. I don't like touching third rails. Bad for the career.

  3. I'm going into Meteorology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With all this talk about "Cloud" this and that I guess that's the future...

    1. Re:I'm going into Meteorology by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      With all this talk about "Cloud" this and that I guess that's the future...

      Probably about as accurate as most people that talk about "the cloud"! 8-)

  4. Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Technology has accelerated to the point where our skill sets are out of date before the end of the project.
    Meanwhile we're still pushing an education that contains core skills that are also out of date before we even get to use them.

    If we let this go much further then brogramming will be the only way to achieve anything. Skills will become irrelevant.

    1. Re:Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop teaching trade skills and start teaching fundamentals which haven't changed since the 1960s. Nearly every "new" technology is a rehash of something that was solved 50 years ago. The implementations may be quite different, but the concepts are nearly identical.

    2. Re:Sad by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      Stop teaching trade skills and start teaching fundamentals which haven't changed since the 1960s. Nearly every "new" technology is a rehash of something that was solved 50 years ago. The implementations may be quite different, but the concepts are nearly identical.

      True, most of what is changing now is the "technish". Every new vendor wants a new set of words so they can say they are "new". But he actual operations are old, although the older implementations might not have worked well. If they can make it work well and reliably, thats good. But it doesn't mean they really need new words, that's just hype.

      Of course, if you want to talk to the "natives" you have to talk in their dialect. Like saying "Harddrive" for desktop computer, when in administrative offices! 8-)

  5. basic health insurance for all is needed maybe eve by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    basic health insurance for all is needed maybe even basic income.

  6. IRS and others need to crack down on 1099 abuse by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IRS and others need to crack down on 1099 abuse.

    1099's are ok when used right but lot's of places want the control of a w2 worker but don't want the ACA, taxes, labor rights, worker comp, overtime, etc that comes with them.

    1. Re:IRS and others need to crack down on 1099 abuse by zlives · · Score: 0

      you clearly don't get the "disruptive" economy/business model.

      also i am now going to be creating a airfreshnerbnb to rent out my toilet.

    2. Re:IRS and others need to crack down on 1099 abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      i am now going to be creating a airfreshnerbnb to rent out my toilet.

      Your first review:

      After an 'All you can eat Taco' bar I challenged this throne to the test. Sadly it did not pass and while the (once) white 'wall to wall' shag carpeting was nice, it is now 'not a plus'. Also, the blinking red light was a bit of a distraction.

    3. Re:IRS and others need to crack down on 1099 abuse by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      1099's are ok when used right but lot's of places want the control of a w2 worker but don't want the ACA, taxes, labor rights, worker comp, overtime, etc that comes with them.

      Well, there is NO abuse if you as the contract worker know enough to adjust your bill rate to cover taxes, benefits, etc. You still get them, but you manage and pay them rather than some HR person.

      And as a contract worker, you damn sure get paid EVERY hour your work. They want 80 hours that week...you get paid 80 hours of your billable rate. That W2 salaried person does not get paid extra.

      Yeah, it sucks that the Feds changed the rules a few decades back and put programmers and IT folks in the category where you don't automatically get time and a half..but then again, you can negotiate for that right up front. And I still see that happen. Is kinda nice in a mix of contractors and W2's....if they need OT...the contractors often are let off work but the W2's have to stay....so the company doesn't have to pay the extra hourly money....so, who does better in that scenario?

      Frankly, if they pay me enough money, I'm quite happy to care for myself....my rights, my $$..etc.

      If it weren't for $$, I'd not be working ever...but I need to at this time to cover my lifestyle needs, so I work. I might as well get the freedom and bill rate of the contractor, because the traditional W2 drone these days, does NOT get any more job stability or company loyalty than a contractor.

      As I've stated in previous posts...if you're gonna be treated like a contractor by companies....you might as well get the BILL RATE of a contractor.

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    4. Re:IRS and others need to crack down on 1099 abuse by zlives · · Score: 1

      heheh truly disgusting... but i did get to monetize the video so i guess thats something.

  7. The Coming Tech Gig Economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear American CEO's,

    If you think Disney is doing the right thing by dumping qualified works because they are Americans, then please renounce your citizenship and leave the US. You are traitors.

    1. Re:The Coming Tech Gig Economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as opposed to people who don't have the legal right to work here? what the fuck? please kill yourself.

  8. own or rent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Own it or rent it.

    One way you have pretty good say what happens the other not so much.

  9. employee adjumement... by zlives · · Score: 1

    "organizations shifting their staffing models toward project-based, contingent work in hopes of landing the key skills necessary for their businesses to stay competitive in a constantly evolving technical landscape"

    really!! organizations follow constantly evolving technical landscape rather than their business? if so... probably jump ship post haste.

  10. Re:basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

    Freedom works better than socialist feudal states.

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  11. decades-log careers? by tomhath · · Score: 1

    the days of decades-long careers in corporate environments dwindling for many IT pros

    Those days never existed. Hiring and layoffs have always been based on skills needed this year.

    1. Re:decades-log careers? by Groink · · Score: 1

      the days of decades-long careers in corporate environments dwindling for many IT pros

      Those days never existed. Hiring and layoffs have always been based on skills needed this year.

      You could potentially stay with a company for a while if you demonstrated the ability shift roles and learn new technologies as they emerge. The death knell for any IT worker is when they proclaim "I only do [this speciality]!" Work on your IT jeet kun do and you are likely to preserve your longevity with a company that keeps in-house IT. I'll admit to having worked in non-traditional technical roles at non-traditional companies, so YMMV.

    2. Re:decades-log careers? by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      You could potentially stay with a company for a while if you demonstrated the ability shift roles and learn new technologies as they emerge.

      Or, you can do what one of my friends did: specialize in maintenance programming in the one language (COBOL in her case) that her company uses. She's been there for over thirty years, and expects to stay there until she retires. Of course, in her case it helps that everything she works on was developed in-house, and it would cost way, way too much to migrate to something newer.

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    3. Re:decades-log careers? by rcase5 · · Score: 1

      That's not true. My grandfather worked at IBM for 25 years as an Electrical Engineer, designing and building computer hardware. He retired with a pension and everything. But he started working for them in the 60s, and retired in the 90s. He was the tail-end of the old-fashioned IBM where you worked there "for life".

      Even when I started in the IT industry in the early 90s, there was still some degree of companies making commitments to their employees, investing in their success and striving to earn their loyalty, even at start-ups. Although it wasn't unusual for people to move on to different opportunities after a few years.

      It's only more recently (within the last 15 years or so) that companies no longer felt compelled to invest in their employees. Now IT companies want turn-key labor, where they can get exactly what they need for only as long they need, and then cut them loose. Some of this has to do with the expanding popularity of the H1-B Visa program. But much of it comes from sociopath bean-counters who look only at the bottom line and see expenses associated with retaining employees, and fail to take into account the intangibles that come from fostering loyalty and teamwork within their companies.

      Corporations today (IT and otherwise) are nothing more than money making machines for investors. This is why working at IT companies in particular has become a living hell. The people at the top don't really care about the people or the product, they only care that they make money. This isn't a good mix, especially for innovative Silicon Valley types. The people who attempt to play politics for their own benefit are not only overlooked for their arguably bad behavior, but are in fact encouraged, because it is essentially what the people at the top are doing.

      This is why I no longer work at a corporate setting. Ever since I started freelancing 13 years ago, I've been much happier. Yes, it's hard to get started, but once you do it's a great thing. I do sometimes miss the camaraderie of going to work and working with others. But I don't miss those personality defects that make an otherwise pleasant job impossible.

  12. Let them fail. by bADlOGIN · · Score: 1

    Software is eating the world, as the saying goes. Organizations that refuse to invest in building and maintaining software that defines their businesses will simply fail. You can't wish away the incidental complexity of creating software, and it takes YEARS of experience to learn how to minimize the accidental complexity. Until the singularity comes and Skynet puts us all out of our misery; software is here to stay, and only getting bigger.

    So: I say, keep your technical skills sharp and go into consulting. Charge lawyers hourly rates (or better) to lean up after these disasters. Between the constant revolving door of developers who only last 5-7 years moving out of the field, and the idiot MBA's who think that this (or offshore outsourcing for mission critical apps, or rapid application development, or whatever other BS comes along) will save them from being responsible: we old programmers are in good demand, doing good business for ourselves, and getting paid relatively well.

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  13. Do what you love by shuz · · Score: 1

    There will always be contract workers and automation. It is generally a business's responsibility to profit as much as possible. Time and human resources are often the most expensive assets on the books. As an IT worker you can't, or probably shouldn't, help to change these behaviors. Instead focus on what you love. Get as good as you can at what you find the most natural. If you work 45 to 50 years, you will find that unless you enjoy what you do your mental state will suffer. That may bleed into your personal life. There can be work for everyone in IT everywhere in the world. Sometimes you might need to be a little inventive and may need to sell yourself. Finally, you might not have a huge income.

    If you price yourself right, are good at something that you have a positive attitude about, and are able to sell yourself as something that can add value then there should always be work for you in IT.

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    1. Re:Do what you love by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots of ifs there

  14. Forget about career planing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forget about career planning. The trends are outsourcing, hosting(cloud), remote support and centralization.
    In other words, all the mid-tier jobs will move to low-wage countries like China and India. Only the top-tier and shit-tier jobs will remain.
    The top-tier jobs because those jobs go were the top-tier people are.
    The shit-tier jobs because those go were the hands are needed.

    The alternatives are moving into management or project management, but the bulk of us can forget about a significant tech position.

    1. Re: Forget about career planing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      really ? third world workers generate third world stuff. companies realize this the hard way. correctly so.

      you need to move to an experienced co. loyalty is stupidness...

    2. Re: Forget about career planing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good Luck

  15. Got Skills? Consult. by dave562 · · Score: 1

    It seems to me like finding qualified, full time IT talent is next to impossible. There are too many tech jobs that need to be done and not enough people with the skills to do them. Therefore the people who have the skills that companies need turn into consultants and earn considerably more than they would if they were to work in house.

    On the other side of the equation, companies do not seem to want to invest in training employees when they can simply outsource the work (and the risk). They hang on their hat on skill / knowledge transfer activities that nearly always fail, to at least come up short. I believe that the best way to truly understand a technology is research, plan and implement it. That way you develop knowledge of the technology and how to overcome the hurdles. When something breaks, you have a better than average chance of knowing where to look and focus troubleshooting efforts first.

    What ends up happening is a widening skill gap between consultants and in house talent. The consultants get experience deploying the same technology multiple times, and hopefully get better at it every time around. The in house talent gets stuck supporting something that someone else built, that they do not really understand, and that they only see once in their own environment. That dynamic is often further compounded by the consultants who always get to work with the latest version, versus the in house techs who often times might not even be allowed to perform upgrades out of fear that they will break it. "Too risky, we better get consultants to do that."

  16. Re:basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by rednip · · Score: 1

    As a nation we pay more for healthcare than any other country, yet we are the 'least socialized' of all the major counties. Perhaps some day you'll understand your place in the self sucking machine of right wing outrage that the GOP has tapped into.

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  17. The longer view by MountainLogic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please excuse someone from outside of IT as I work on embedded systems (who could possibly need more than 640 bytes of RAM), but at some point IT really needs to mature and stop making every application one off in-house prototypes. Some applications have stabilized and are expected to be delivered as COTS (Commercial Off The Shelf) products, for example word processors and spreadsheets. Far too many business products have to be (or needlessly are) customized to death. ERP, HR, accounting, etc. Seriously, does a HR program have to be more flexible than a spreadsheet? Should an ERP program require more expertise to setup than a workprocessor? Someday someone in charge is going to catch on that all of this flexibility and customization if far more expensive than any promised gain and just work with a cloud product out of the box. Sure there will always be a super user in every dept/company who is the goto person, but that person really should not be in the the IT department. Everyplace I've worked the most knowledgeable Excel folks are the MBAs, not dev engineers or IT. When this happens you can expect to see a quick death to many IT departments. At one time every factory had an electrical engineer to run an engine to make electricity. With very few exceptions, those practicing EE jobs are now at utilities, architects or electronics companies. It is not that folks working in IT departments may not be doing good work, the problem is that the same problem is being solved in a thousand different companies. At one time IT excellence was a competitive advantage, for example Fed Ex, but now it is a common commodity base utility line like water or power. Why can't it be a something bought as a commodity?

    1. Re:The longer view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those factories moved onto hiring Electricians. It's not glamorous work, but the pay is still great (depending on where you work, much like engineering).

      Expect the same with computing. If you stop looking to be a Rock Star and just keep the bytes moving, you can be the resident IT plumber as well, and earn a solid living with a stable job.

    2. Re:The longer view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At one time IT excellence was a competitive advantage

      It still is. The small competitive advantages in service industries come from the business process efficiencies, each one created using both standardized and customized solutions. Customer services, for example, is a neglected area with barely tested and designed, complex, slow and crash prone "custom software" leading to longer customer service times. Sure, there are off the self software, but not for every industry. Well working custom software with attention to customer specific details give still a great competitive advantage at the "front lines", too often well away from attention of the C-level and middle level executives who only see the bigger, centralized solutions like SAP and the rest. They are forced to wake up when the night of the living Über arrives. By then it might be too late.

    3. Re:The longer view by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      The problem with standardization of biz practices is that marketers and MBA's are always dreaming up gimmicks to allegedly stay ahead of the competition, both for external sales and internal "management practices". A lot of it is probably just useless fads; but, if they want to computerize a fad, you have to supply what they want, or they take their biz elsewhere.

      Automating stupidity is job security, I guess.

    4. Re:The longer view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I guess the point you're missing is that those MBA's are looking at the investment in ERP and realize that they sometimes make sense. We can pay 20k in software development to customize something, but it saves a minute every time we run that specific transaction. With high usage, that makes sense pretty quickly, so eventually the whole ERP system is custom and we aren't using much "standard" functionality anymore.

    5. Re:The longer view by agaznog · · Score: 1

      "Why can't it be a something bought as a commodity?" If a business model, and supporting computational models, become a commodity, then that business had better move on, evolve or die. So just as business must evolve, so must its supporting applications. "Seriously, does a HR program have to be more flexible than a spreadsheet? Should an ERP program require more expertise to setup than a wordprocessor?" You clearly have never worked in a sufficiently complex business environment where spreadsheets and word processors generate more manual work and human errors than they prevent. It's all about exploding complexity with growth. Once an organization and its processes grow beyond a certain point, it becomes increasingly necessary for those processes and the business rules within to be codified into the supporting applications to help people do their jobs faster, with less manual intervention, less repetition and less errors.

    6. Re: The longer view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what a bunch of idiots here. customization creates work that cannot be easily indianized.

    7. Re:The longer view by DetriusXii · · Score: 1

      The legal environment also changes. Good luck propagating all your change requests through to 2000 staff members through Excel spreadsheets when the government passes a law that changes your wage payouts.

  18. Yes but a trade union not a labour union by random+coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Strangely enough; unionization could actually facilitate this in a better way. If the trade union and not labour union model was used.

    In a trade union, you contact the union and request a number of qualified skilled workers for the job; they do the job on contract and leave. So if you were renovating a building you might contact the Electrician union and get 3 Master Electricians and 5 Journeymen to do a job. They'll come and do the wiring, and you pay their union rate and when the job is over they're employment ends. The union takes care of benefits. If Jack shows up and you hate him you fire him and get a different person from the union. The union polices the skill of their members, and provides benefits from their dues.

    So you would call the IT union and get your certified IT workers to complete the job and you pay the union rates. Of course, to square this analogy we might have to get licensed architects for the design to start with too. Maybe we take this further and the designs have to be signed of on by a PE and filed for reference too, so no more do you have confidential system architecture; for the public good needs to be regulated for safety. And then the system inspectors have to approve in test as well.

    The more I think about this the more I expect that there will be a trade union for these type jobs; it solves many issues; at least as many for the companies as for the workers.

    1. Re:Yes but a trade union not a labour union by Afty0r · · Score: 1

      Forgive me if I have misunderstood, but how does your proposed model differ from hiring consultants through an agency/consulting firm. This is an already-entrenched and very common model.

    2. Re:Yes but a trade union not a labour union by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds like a recipe for mediocrity, both in pay and in work quality.

    3. Re:Yes but a trade union not a labour union by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a great example of why "Software Engineering" is not "Engineering". As it stands now, no amount of specification for a piece of software could meet the equivalent of signed-off documents in construction. Good software specs exist at the level of a bid document at best.

      Software is based on a best-effort spec. No sane PE would be able to sign off on any software spec I've ever seen.

    4. Re:Yes but a trade union not a labour union by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      Forgive me if I have misunderstood, but how does your proposed model differ from hiring consultants through an agency/consulting firm. This is an already-entrenched and very common model.

      The difference is: Agencies compete with each other, but Unions are a monopoly. Thats why existing unions have tended to go bad after a while.
      But running as a limited monopoly such as the local electric companies might work. Of course, no one likes the electric company... 8-)

  19. Re:basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by ajzimm3rman · · Score: 1

    Because socialism has worked so well in all the countries it has been tried in.

  20. Re:basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    basic health insurance for all is needed maybe even basic income.

    Well, if contracting, all you have to do, is put on your Big Boy pants...and learn to negotiate your bill rate to be enough to cover your salary needs, vacation/sick day needs...AND you healthcare needs.

    It isn't rocket science. That is why contractor rates are so much higher than W2 rates. You take the matters into consideration.

    And as I mentioned before, there are advantages, get a high deductible medical insurance...which is about $1500 annually. This allows you to set up a Health Savings Account (HSA) into which you can sock away $3500 pre-tax...and use this for your routine medical needs, meds, etc. This HSA is also not use it or lose it like a FSA, you roll over the extras year after year.

    We're not talking burger flippers here...know your worth (if you are worth it)...and adjust your bill rate to cover this. It isn't rocket science...you still get benefits, it is just that as a contractor YOU pay for it (covered in bill rate) and choose and manage it, rather than some HR person.

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  21. Consulting by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    This isn't really all that new. Back in the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's I did "Consulting". Back then it meant something different than how I see people use the word now. What I did was come in to a company, solve a problem for them such as organizing something, writing a custom application, training them, setting up systems. I was a contract employee in effect except I wasn't an employee, there were no benefits and I didn't expect any. I worked for myself. I got the job done. I billed. I got paid. Worked fine.

  22. Amnesia by roca · · Score: 1

    It seems very risky to me to have contractors set up a very complex system (i.e. any software system) and then move on. They will not be able to write down all the information you need to maintain it properly.

    Of course this happens all the time already, but that doesn't make it healthy.

    1. Re:Amnesia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what service/maintenance contracts are for.
      It's the old Gillette (sp?) method of business, Give away the razor, make money selling the blades.

  23. adjusting by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    have many organizations shifting their staffing models toward project-based, contingent work in hopes of landing the key skills necessary for their businesses to stay competitive in a constantly evolving technical landscape. ... How should you adjust to this shifting employment landscape?

    the "gig economy" actually isn't new. this happened with blue collar work and they got abused badly until they formed unions. why do you think this will end any differently?

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    1. Re:adjusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because blue collar workers typically work in the physical world. You can't outsource a forklift in a warehouse.

    2. Re:adjusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you talking about?
      Unions generally are formed by employees, at a company, not consultants.

  24. To answer the last question in the post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get out of IT altogether. It is a horrible career field. No longevity. No loyalty by those who hire you. Not good for work life balance. If you really like working with computer systems and software then you may find some rewarding work from time-to-time. But just realize that everywhere you work, the employer is looking for ways to get rid of you.

  25. Re:Got Skills? Consult. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or work for a house that values your time. I have many, many weeks off all year (untracked). And I don't have to go find consulting jobs.

  26. Contractors Need Not Apply by Alypius · · Score: 1

    I have several IT friends who are unemployed and they're noticing that companies have notes on the job description that goes along the lines of "We will not hire those with large amounts of contractor work". I'm not anywhere near the IT business; does anyone know why companies are going this route?

    1. Re:Contractors Need Not Apply by waspleg · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the will not hire part, but from the (admittedly small) circle of people I know this isn't limited to IT at all.

      Companies are in a race to the bottom in the insatiable lust for more quarterly profits. This means cutting people off just under the legal limits where they would otherwise be considered full time employees and entitled to "benefits" such as health insurance.

    2. Re:Contractors Need Not Apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because they know all those employee's are worthless ?

    3. Re:Contractors Need Not Apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because people who work as contractors are the type that don't stick around. Contrary to Slashdotters opinion, companies want people who will stay with the company for years. Really all the stuff posted here is complete bullshit. Companies want long term workers. If workers leave, the company loses institutional knowledge and has to spend more training the new hire and it takes time for them to be productive.

    4. Re:Contractors Need Not Apply by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

      Anecdote != data, but here's my experience from having to interview candidates as a small part of my job:

      If all things were ideal, companies wouldn't want to burn through employees. Having a revolving door of people who work for 6 months then disappear is detrimental to productivity. There's a magic balance to walk in this case -- hire someone who wants stability for the right reasons. Some people want stable work because they want to coast. Others who are otherwise great employees have a family to support and don't want the stress of moving, finding new work, etc. all the time.

      Job hoppers make OK contractors if all you want is a defined body of work completed. They usually have the latest buzzwords, but our experience is that they're distracted. All of them are constantly searching for their next job which means they're not focusing on the task you hired them for 100%. The other reason is that they might be less likely to care about the overall quality of what they build, since it will be someone else's problem to maintain once they're on to the next job.

    5. Re:Contractors Need Not Apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because your one opinion vs. the opinion of others means so much.

      Obviously you are the end-all be all.

      Wait. I see what you did there.

      Haha, good one.

  27. Unions for interchangeable. Don't want 50% pay cut by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Unions assume that workers are more or less interchangeable. Everybody with the same paper qualifications does gets paid the same and they do approximately the same quality of work.

    I study every week and I've been doing so for 30 years. Recently I joined a company. Several of their top people had planned a project to take a few months, with a lot of painstaking work. I looked at it for a day or two and demonstrated a way to get it done in weeks, not months, and more reliably by doing mechanical transformations in the database instead . My one day analyzing the problem and applying what I've learned saved the company perhaps $60,000. Because I study and figure out how to save a lot of money and and prevent a lot of problems, I earn twice as much as many of my peers do (who don't study constantly) .

    I don't see any reason I'd want to give another half of my earnings to you. (I say "another half" because after payroll taxes, income taxes, gas taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, bpp taxes, etc I already give up half my income.)

  28. How about fight back? by Berkyjay · · Score: 2

    Why just sit back and let these new Robber Barons screw the hell out of you just so they can improve their profit margin? How about refuse to work for anyone who doesn't offer you a full time job with benefits?

    1. Re:How about fight back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or contract, it pays better.

    2. Re:How about fight back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I came across the follow quote this morning:

      “Our generation is used to getting information they need when they want it, and the idea that we can’t have access to our own health data is bewildering,” says Anne Wojcicki, 42, who co-founded 23andMe in 2006 with Linda Avey. “If you can be proactive with your health, you can be more in control.”

      Of course, I deeply believe in the freedom of speech and the underlying sentiment that the US government has no place in preventing people from discussing and having access to information that's relevant to their health.

      But Anne also clearly lives in a different world than I do. What I'm used to, myself, is laying awake in the wee hours of the morning with cold fear in the pit of my stomach wondering how I'm going to feed my family when my current job contract runs out. The information I desperately need and want right now is to know which jobs are available to me that would pay a stable income that would allow me to support my family simply but comfortably. But I sure as hell am not getting that information.

    3. Re:How about fight back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about I call you a misogynist, racist, privileged bigot and shame you into silence if you so much as try?

    4. Re:How about fight back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your spouse should be working too.

      If you don't have one, or subscribe to that weird notion that only one spouse should work, then move. Relocate somewhere that is a tech hub so you can find more work.

      Job-hop for raises, but always leave on as positive a note as possible because they may bid for you again later.

      Nothing is *ever* secure. The most loyal employer in the world with a complete monopoly can always be bought, sued, or have its market disrupted, and put you out of work despite your success (or possibly even because of it). Accept that you can't control the world, and that adaptation is your strongest virtue, and you will be alright.

    5. Re:How about fight back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who in their right mind hires job-hoppers?

    6. Re:How about fight back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing is *ever* secure.

      Nonsense, the eternal city will never be overrun by Visigoths.

    7. Re:How about fight back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing is *ever* secure.

      I was #1 in my college class, good degree and top university, multiple job offers. The future was very bright indeed. I became sick and almost died. I didn't, got better, was debt free, but know how close we all are to losing it at any time for any of countless reasons beyond our control. I would give everything I own to not live under that particular shadow of risk again but we all do whether we know it or not. This first hand experience shaped my expectations and how I go about life and in most aspects allowed me to become more successful than I would have otherwise.

    8. Re:How about fight back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, they came for the musicians...

    9. Re:How about fight back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't have one, or subscribe to that weird notion that only one spouse should work, then move.

      Personally, I'm ambivalent whether both parents should work.

      On one hand, paying someone else to raise your children is a bit like paying someone else to have sex with your wife. I mean, pretty much the only reason I can see for having children is the expectation that you would enjoy the process of raising them. But then if you're just going to pay someone else to do raise them, you might as well not have children at all and save the money. On the other hand, if both people in a marriage are passionate about their work then it seems unfair to require one spouse to give up their career.

      In a certain sense, the key point is that if a person wants to work then they should be able to work. And that gets back to the point about the difficulty of finding a job generally. I would love to be able to go on something like Google and have it give me a list of job offers: "Here are the companies that are willing to hire you at these salaries." But finding a job is very hard. For that matter, it's also hard to find love (e.g. someone willing to be your spouse).

      Maybe someone like Anne Wojcicki just coasts through life having whatever information she needs right there when she wants it. But, me, I live a life that is pervaded by scarcity where I am mostly unaware of what little resources are actually be available to me - where, in a certain sense, I am a prisoner of my ignorance. Of course, one solution is to be less ignorant but the other solution is less scarcity. If there was an abundance of good jobs paying decent salaries then I, and other ordinary people like me, could get by on our existing levels of ignorance.

      If you find yourself losing repeatedly, then it may be less a lack of talent and more that you're playing a negative sum game where most people are losers.

    10. Re: How about fight back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stop supporting banksters, vote trump. be a patriot and stop aiding the commies and the banksters. realize they are the cause of many economic troubles and corrosive ideologies.

    11. Re: How about fight back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who in their right mind is a germanic( includes the anglosaxon branch) idiot who will be fired after 17 years of loyal service ? grow up folks, become nasty and cynical. or get the darwin award like many germanics do these days...

    12. Re:How about fight back? by Berkyjay · · Score: 1

      Contracting isn't for everyone. Matter of fact, I'd say it isn't for most people. The average person will lose out contracting rather than having a full time benefited job. They won't have the proper drive or personality to find and compete for that next contract. They also won't have the know how to properly manage their income and taxes in order to come out ahead in the tax game.

    13. Re:How about fight back? by Berkyjay · · Score: 1

      So you're gonna call me names and hope that I care? Would it interest you to know that I am made of rubber?

  29. Re:basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what freedom? freedom to do what? how we implement the following solution:
    1) you kill yourself
    2) the rest of us get universal healthcare
    3) end corporate welfare and implement basic income

    everyone wins.

  30. It will never happen in IT by waspleg · · Score: 1

    far too much ego here. Everybody thinks they're the best at everything and deserve more than their peers.

    This goes along with the politics which, at least where I've worked, even in very left leaning fields many in IT lean hard to the right.

    1. Re:It will never happen in IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ego is a problem? Then explain doctors and lawyers associations? Bigger ego pits you're unlikely to find.

    2. Re:It will never happen in IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All you have to do is look at the mess that the ABIM has become to realize that doctors and lawyers have just as much corruption and graft as the Teamsters (without the flair of a Hoffa). Ego is just a small part of the equation when groups of professionals get together to "protect" the people by licensure shakedowns and "recertification" processes. It doesn't matter if it's a cosmetology board, Electrician's Guild, the state Bar, etc. From a purely anecdotal standpoint, developers who are certified in a skill are usually marginally competent in it (just like project managers with a PMP cert). Certs and unions are definitely not useful for an industry that changes as quickly as technology.

    3. Re:It will never happen in IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think I'm the best, but I do believe I'm above average, and the average is set by the 80th percentile.

  31. Re:basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by rcase5 · · Score: 1

    Oh, you mean like the United States of America?

  32. Not just IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But EE as well. A glorious world in which you can spend every walking moment scrambling for crumbs, while all the old systems like mortgages, taxes, and marriage still expect YOU to opt-in for the long term.

    A fantastic world in which we have the highest technology ever but somehow we have to work more than ever.

  33. Learn to live on half of your net by davidwr · · Score: 2

    Whether you contract or have a W2 job, learn to live on half of your net-pay-after-taxes. Yes, this means at least a decade or two of cheap housing, a cheap car, and hardly ever eating out or going to a movie.

    You'll need the savings to get you through periods of unemployment, pay for education if you need to do some major re-training because your skills are too "niche" to get you past your current job, and pay for an involuntary early retirement or chronic under-employment if you are unfortunate enough to become unemployed after hitting 50.

    At least do this until you've saved up enough that it's obvious you don't have to scrimp and save any more.

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    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
    1. Re:Learn to live on half of your net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      correct, and not taught anymore.
      I'll add you should pay of your mortgage early, also.

  34. They are paying good money for nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To do a good job of developing a complex system you have to understand the business and that takes time. What is going on today is they hire a contractor, pay him until they figure out that he isn't actually doing any useful work and then they fire him. The contractor then goes on to the next sucker. Some companies even do worse they hire a consulting firm to implement the system. Same thing happens but it cost a lot more and it takes somewhat longer to find out you were suckered.

  35. Bingo!! by aXis100 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I call buzzword bingo!!!

    Doing this non-anonymously because karma hardly seems worth it if this is the standard of writing these days.

  36. Re: IRS and others need to crack down on 1099 abus by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
    All this assumes that increasing the number of people who now have to look for temporary gigs won't drive rates down. This is patently false. Otherwise there would be no concern with the influx of H1Bs.

    The best times are past. Time to get into an industry that doesn't have a preponderance of management who have failed to mature as they aged.

    Was it Amityville Horror with the girl stuck in the tv and the voice saying "Get out!" Good advice in an industry that increasingly is at war with its workers.

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  37. Re:basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    truth hurts doesn't it a$$hole

  38. Why bother, ride the wave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free health care, free education, and minimum guaranteed income, why bother?

  39. Coming from the other side of the aisle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been with the same company 16 years, survived multiple layoff rounds by being in groups that were not expendable under the enterprise memory viewpoint. The thing is, I work for a huge bank. We're so huge the first year is just getting your head around just how massive everything in our enterprise is. After that you actually start to have the ability to think about how to improve it. I see it time and again, a neophyte comes in to the group and is just overwhelmed by what they will need to know. I've been that Neophyte on more than one occasion and it's intimidating.

    You have to realize small and medium sized businesses are starving to get by, so they of course will default to this. I took the Daymond John Entrepreneur Training, and all you could hear in there was ways to avoid taxes by any stretch imagineable. Starting X, Y, or Z businesses? 1099 everyone, don't have employees until you're profitable, incorporate in a low tax state, preferably nevada...

    Why wouldn't startup/young/smaller tech companies go that route? You have no need for systems familiarity/memory, train them after the fact.

    Whereas with a large long-existing corporation that's very competitive with its peers, but well managed, you're integrated into a culture that knows previous systems knowledge is very important.

    For example, We're huge, 300,000+ employees now but of course trying to get that number lower. We contract out a ton of work, but it's maintenance and implementation, not really design, the FTE's handle that and task the contractors. The contractors are used to keep the FTE's available for important stuff. You basically have to do something extremely bad in the companies eyes to get fired because that's potentially an expensive wrongful termination lawsuit. The byproduct of this is everyone knows FTE's are in and so there's no point in holding hostilities, so people communicate more. Our company mostly acts like it knows it, professes to live by it, and of course is scared to death about maintaining quarterly growth.

    The thing is, we're in the cross-hairs of another global slowdown, this time led by China. Of course corporations are scared to death, odds are those earnings reports aren't going to be as easy as recently, despite being harder than before the great recession started. Corporations realize this and of course will manage to the earnings report, not the benefit of employees. It wouldn't be surprising if this new normal changes when profits start growing easier and in-house brain trusts show their competitive advantage.

  40. That's not employment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not employment, it's exploitation.

  41. Re: basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

    Being ill with no way of affording the treatment is freedom? Your dictionary must be very different to mine.

  42. Re: basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

    Seems to work pretty well in Norway, Switzerland, Germany, the Netherlands and many others.

  43. Re:basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no. we just need to get all the idiots to kill themselves before we can have an advanced society with a high standard of living.

  44. Re: IRS and others need to crack down on 1099 abu by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

    Poltergeist I think. It's been a while.

  45. Re:Unions for interchangeable. Don't want 50% pay by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

    A software developers union would presumably be in a good position to shake off the ways of the past. They could apply some basic 21st-century tech to the situation.

    What if they instituted a feedback system where clients rate the developers? Then the hourly rates could vary based on the capabilities of each individual.

    If you had the entire union vouching for you as their top "rockstar" developer, maybe you could get even higher pay rates than you could by just tooting your horn on your own.

  46. Re:Unions for interchangeable. Don't want 50% pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unions are a terrible idea for programmers. Programming is a creative field. (Not visually or aurally creative, but coming up with a solution to a problem that hasn't been solved before is still creative.)

    To that end, any organization should be done the way actors organize. SAG/AFTRA and hire an agent. In many ways, a promotion agent and a baseline for pay, benefits, and working conditions is exactly what the "gig economy" needs.

    And boy howdy will it piss off Infosys and their ilk. Always a nice bonus.

  47. Everything old is new again by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Everything old is new again - we've finally ditched a whole lot of Virtual Basic shitty little applications by developers that did them and vanished, so now we need a new wave of things where bugs have to be worked around instead of fixed?
    Even perfect software can become unusable due to changing circumstances around it. Unless the software is only for short term use there is a need for someone to maintain it for longer than the short term.

  48. Yes! Tell various governments too! by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1

    stop using dedicated company specific processes

    It makes me cringe every time I hear of another over budget, behind schedule, massive software boondoggle that some government bureaucracy or another has blown, and is now "starting over"... Really? You can't outsource payroll? Sheesh.

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    This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
  49. Re:Unions for interchangeable. Don't want 50% pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... I earn twice as much as many of my peers do (who don't study constantly) .

    I would say that they are not your peers.

  50. mostly beside the point, but not just study by raymorris · · Score: 1

    My original post was about unions for highly skilled professionals, so I didn't get off-topic going into detail in my example. Later, it occurred to me that my example could give a misleading impression about why, in that example, I presented another proposed solution. It isn't just study.
    Of course everyone is different and everyone does things differently.

    I also took a big risk that could have hurt me. I was fresh into a new company and hadn't established a solid relationship with my boss. He gave me very specific, step-by-step directions for how they wanted me to do the task. After a half-day of following (and misunderstanding) the directions, I stopped and looked at the problem for the rest of the day and and most of the next day. I then went in and presented to my brand new boss and his boss why I thought "their" solution was suboptimal. Had my boss and his boss not been so gracious and willing to listen, that move could have damaged my career. Fortunately, my boss (and his) feel that since -they- hired me, if their hire contributes something that means they've done well. Of course there are other variables. My willingness to piss you off in order to accomplish your goals is just one of several things.

  51. welcome to the real world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been the reality for some of us for the past 20 years. My whole career as a developer has been one adventure after another like that, and I get paid twice what the rest of you pukes do.

  52. Re:basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by ultranova · · Score: 1

    Freedom works better than socialist feudal states.

    But apparently repeating propaganda slogans about how well off you are works too, at least for a while longer. Just like in the old Soviet Union.

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    Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

  53. Re: basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's negative freedom, not positive freedom
    their's two sides to the idea of 'freedom'

  54. NOT BY CHOICE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They'll lay off the full time permanent employees and hire contractors for an equivalent hourly rate.

    Eventually we will become day laborers, just like the illegal aliens standing in front of Home Depot.

    Will techies be in front of Best Buy? (WILL CODE FOR FOOD)

  55. Re: basic health insurance for all is needed mayb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except that in Switzerland health care is privatized, everybody is forced to pay it but costs go up, wages go down and the law permits the healthcare insurance companies to deny coverage to those who can't pay.

  56. Leaving IT altogether is the only option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been in IT a long time. It was a cool hobby in the early '80s, it was great in the late '80s to early '90s, then it started going downhill. Nowadays IT is below blue-collar. I left and started a new career in a completely different field and was lucky enough to do it on my terms and pacing. Now I'm an independent contractor but I can easily leave on one to two jobs a year. I usually get more so life is good. Of course, not everybody can do that. I mean, it's a long step between programmer and professional hitman...

  57. Uh-uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before millennials decided that nothing whatsoever transpired on earth prior to the miracle of their births, we called this 'doing odd jobs', and the companies were known as 'staffing services' (sorry, you guys didn't 'invent' any of this). Calling it an 'economy' is an abuse of the word - it's not the greatest way to make a living for most people, the only ones really benefitting are the companies doing the hiring that don't have to pay full price for employees (a major difference from the old days - legacy companies treated people far better). You too will be older and too tired one day to constantly hustle new work all the time, you too will have life events that will require a smarter money plan than this. It's exploitation, really, and ironically the more people support these companies in the name of personal freedom, ultimately, the less choices they will have. Bite the bullet and hold out for something more substantial while you do this kind of thing *temporarily* (hence another old term: 'temp').

  58. Re: basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems to work pretty well in Norway, Switzerland, Germany, the Netherlands and many others.

    That's because they rely on the United States for their defense rather than covering the full cost themselves. If they had to pay for a military big enough to keep the wolves from the door, the picture would be rather different.

  59. my retirement plan is suicide by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    I'm thinking I'll be employed until i'm 50 then fuck it all to hell

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    Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
  60. Re:basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    It actually has (sweden)

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  61. Don't like stability? You will in a few years. by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We're not at the point yet where every single tech employer is a sweatshop that operates a revolving door of contractors instead of full time staff. I would say we're heading that way, simply because IT services companies advertise their outsourcing/contracting services to the executives as a complete solution to their problems. No matter how much development is Agile and divorced from the actual business process, or how commoditized the systems everything runs on are, there will always be some institutional knowledge that gets lost. I've worked for companies that have gone down the outsourcing road, and some are actually coming back to in-house IT for some aspects of their operations. I think the pendulum will come back to some kind of middle ground soon. Not everything will be an in house function, but you might not have to string 5 or 6 short contracts together into a full year of employment.

    Not every employer subscribes to the "contract everything" theory. Most large public ones have no choice because they're under so much pressure to reduce cost (at least on paper) by any means necessary. But, most businesses that value IT even slightly know that losing an employee can be difficult and they try to keep them. My employer, at least for now, has employed people for very long stretches and prefers people who will stick around and contribute for the long haul. The problem is that when you start dealing with rotating contractors, no matter how well things are documented, things get missed. It's the difference between writing down a sterile operations procedure for some offshore person who doesn't know anything about your company, and knowing how that process affects operations locally.

    I do think that if we do allow employers to divorce themselves of their employee responsibilities, something needs to fill the void to provide stability. A professional guild is the best fit in my mind. There's just no other way - IT and programming in particular is a creative skill set. You have a wide range of personalities and negotiation abilities. I see several serial contractors responding to this thread telling people to put their big boy pants on and negotiate their bill rates...I think they fail to realize that most people don't want to do that, nor have the skill, and would rather do the work they're good at. I think that someone who's 24 now, with zero responsibility and bouncing between 3 month contracts that they feel are effortless to obtain, will feel very different when they turn 40, have kids, and need to wear the big boy pants both at home and at work. Suddenly stable employment starts looking like a good option.

  62. Re: basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by blue9steel · · Score: 1

    Parts of it work well, the rest tends to create all kinds of problems over time. The parts that work well are the ones which ensure equality of opportunity rather than outcomes and involve low amounts of bureaucracy.

  63. Repeat of the DotCom Era... by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

    Same thing happened in the 1990's for tech workers as part of the DotCom Boom. It works for a short time, but only in a very strong economy. The economy isn't good enough to support it like it did then; it's being promulgated for othe reasons right now.

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  64. Re: basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    worked so well under mao and stalin. kill all productive people and then, well, have misery for all.

  65. your numbers 20 year old or your are 20 years old? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    The highest deductable ACA HSA can cost $500 a month in many markets for over 40s.

  66. offshoring is often like this by peter303 · · Score: 1

    The offshoring company changes workers assigned to the project every month or two. Any worker work his salt is job hopping to increase his salary.

  67. Lone Wolfing Is Not the Answer by fmertz · · Score: 1

    From the first exchanges of pooling foodstuffs via tithing to unionism to wall street, pooled cooperative effort has been the great society game change mechanism. It is time the worker begin the cooperative effort to control their own destiny in the gig economy. I have written a white paper on what a work exchange could look like that has the worker as the owner not just the product. http://www.metier.com/the-demo...

  68. There is difference between US and Europe/UK here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In IT-corporateland in the US it's pretty common to be hired with long term contracts, this has to do with job rules flexibility: it's allowed and easy to fire when someone screws something up, after a major technical incident or if your boss doesn't like the way you cut your hair. Unions, apart from certain sectors, seem weak or non-existent and unless one knows the law, can afford expensive attorneys or is smart enough at negotiating it's easy for employers to get rid of an employee. Employees in the US, compared to Europe, per definition have little job security or rights, really, The average Joe in the US is educated to free (strong, abusing) business concepts and to count on his own forces, so many accept being sacked for nothing.

    With a long term contract an employee, according to the US work ethics, is "owned" by its company ans has to be submissive to the company hierarchy: a word in the wrong direction and you'll end up in front of unsympathetic HR people and their hypocritical "performance improvement plans". They really don't care about you or your career you may hope of: you must submit, do what you're told, stay prisoner of non competition and non solicitation rules that so blatantly violate your freedom rights stated in the constitution and work. Appalling, isn't it.

    In "static" mainland Europe (civil law countries) and in a slightly less strict way in the UK (a common law country, like the US) it's quite hard to fire anyone after he or she is hired with an "indefinite length" contract. There must really be solid reasons to dismiss a long term employee, in some country entire dossiers against him or her have to justify the dismissal, severance packages have to be paid and those are more costly the longer the employee has worked for the company. Employers attempting an "hostile" dismissal often have to fight against strong unions (mostly not in IT though) and also against protective job laws. They may end up in court more easily.

    Except for US companies, then, who notoriously apply their own rules and work ethics even in their foreign branches bypassing local laws for as much as legally possible, employers in Europe think twice before hiring someone with long term contracts and need to "test" people first for some months or a few years. This reason, together with the scarcity in the IT market, is why being a freelance entrepreneur is increasingly common in Europe. And can pay scaringly well in places like London.

    As a Freelance consultant you are your own boss, and pay taxes as a one-man corporation. You are hired for projects you must deliver up to a certain quality standard and you may be paid sometimes up to 200% or more than your hourly rate as employee. Of course you also have to pay taxes and possibly a good accountant, arrange insurances, set aside some money for health insurance and pension schemes or invest your money for your own improvement. And of course you have to handle procurement and networking for your own future contract. A freelance consultant is responsible for what he does but he or she is noone's slave. How about that. If you deliver, by working your own creative way, you may be very well paid. It's a role for strong, self-made independent people and for those who haven't passed the selection at Google.

    If you are good enough as a consultant and at selling yourself: you decide when you work, what you earn, how your future looks like. There is risks but you are happily enough self-made and free, but not poor if you can handle it. If it gets bigger than you can handle, you can always grow and become a consultancy firm with other partners.

    The fact that IT departments are more and more shifting to consultants in a dramatically changing landscape with new technologies coming out every day is not bad for the consultant: he can rater stay open minded, up-to date, broadly knowledgeable on several fields and the new contracts will come for enough years to give him a reasonable life, until the bubble busts. But in that case you would have been fired as an

  69. Paying off the morgtage by davidwr · · Score: 1

    I'll add you should pay of your mortgage early, also.

    You should either pay it off or pay into a reserve fund or other investment so you can pay off your mortgage on short notice if you want to.

    The decision to actually pay off the mortgage or to build up a reserve fund will be based on several factors, including which gives you the best payoff (if your mortgage is net 3% after tax deductions and your investments are 4% net, then do not pay off the mortgage), your need for spare cash (having spare cash to spend on emergencies at the drop of a hat can be very valuable), and other factors.

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  70. Re: basic health insurance for all is needed maybe by DetriusXii · · Score: 1

    Please have some evidence citing your claims. As is, the socialist health care systems save their citizens more money than American's private health insurance system. The bureaucracy for payment collection is eliminated under the socialized health care systems. And a nation's military funding has no bearing on their health care funding. American's still pay more of their GDP in health care costs compared to Canadians and Europeans.