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Mexican Senator Drafts One of the World's Worst Internet Laws (gizmodo.com)
Kyusaku Natsume writes: This week, Mexican Senator Omar Fayad from ruling party PRI proposed a law to the Mexican Senate that would make it illegal to update your OS, disparage politicians, or become a whistleblower (Google translation of Spanish original), among other such nonsense. The poorly drafted law was written with the collaboration of the Mexican Federal Police — the agency that caused the U.S. government to cut back its financial support in the Mexican drug war because of their constant human rights abuses. Unsurprisingly, the stated goals of the law are to fight child pornography, identity theft, online bullying, and financial fraud.
Wait until someone tells him about the Dark Web.
"Never give up, for that is just the time and place when the tide will change." -Harriet Beecher Stowe ^_^
Because the Mexican version can punish everyone. It's a form of equality through oppression.
SJW just want the oppression of those who don't follow their narrative.
Maybe he's joking?
Ted Cruz will create the final draft for the US senate.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
Isn't that the same in each and every country?
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That's nuts. I can understand the rest from the viewpoint of a corrupt politician, but this one is extremely stupid.
Updates are forbidden? Call it an Upgrade.
No new taxes? No problem, call it a fee....
See how easy this is?
My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
Now there's a fine hispanic name...
And the stated goals of fighting child pornography, identity theft, online bullying, and financial fraud are some of the same arguments members of the current US Administration, the House, and the Senate use to curtail the inalienable rights of the citizens of this country.
The Google translation is completely wrong.
The document states they would like to make it illegal to modify or distribute the contents of computers that are not your own without permission of the owner. This applies specifically to problems they have had with computers being taken to local repair shops and nude pictures being obtained from the computer and then being distributed on the local web sites.
The document also states that modifying any contents online or off of someone else's information/data in degrading or disparaging ways without their express permission would be a prosecuteable offense based on the nature and severity of the crime.
They specifically named public servants because of crony capitalism corruption issues throughout Latin America, but the law would be applicable to everyone.
I, personally, do not see this as a bad thing.
I'm not sure where you're interpreting the whistleblower thing.
Are you referring to the part that states no reward will be given to those who turn in individuals who are caught doing this?
There's a reason for this: They don't want it to become a blackmail market or to lead to people being framed or extorted for profit.
Wow did Google drop the ball on that translation.
I see this as legislation that the United States might want to consider. Or at least keep an eye on Mexico to see how this pans out. We're sorely in need of protecting individual rights and this is a potential experiment that might benefit us.
None of the claims in the article are true. While the draft has many inconsistencies and deficiencies (no exceptions for white hat or academic hacking among others), it does not criminalize anything of what is said in the article. Said law has been attacked heavily due to political reasons (Senator is on his way to be a governor candidate) and not because the law itself (that is really needed as there is a void in the legislation on cyber-crime that's due for over a decade).
You have to understand the Mexican judicial system is different and laws are not interpreted in the same way as English common law (Mexico uses civil law with heavier Roman law influences).
The wording of the law where people are claiming it would be illegal to modify your own PC, specifically words "dolosamente", which roughly could be translated to "with malicious intent". So yes, the purpose of said law is to criminalize any modifications or alterations to an information system with malicious intent, not wiping your own mobile. Both the original 3RD and gizmodo articles deliberately choose to omit that part. Which any decent lawyer or tribunal wouldn't.
The law also provides that any of the crimes in it will be prosecuted as private crimes, where the affected part needs to press charges and can withdraw them (issue a private pardon) at any time; with the exception of crimes against public infrastructure. It also provides that tribunals & judges must be consulted by IT experts on any cases regarding the law (so interpretation of the law would be influenced by the industry professionals).
Instead of fighting illegal immigration and police corruption in Mexico. The U.S. needs to bight the bullet and annex Mexico already. Mexico is like the weird uncle by marriage. He's odd and overtly inappropriate at times but he's family. And if the military tries to fight us we know we can pay most of them to switch sides.
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
Don't worry. The USA will return to number 1 quickly. One of our senators will draw up a bill that's even worse. You can take that to the bank.
USA USA USA
I wonder what point you think you're making with this bullshit. Regardless, you aren't making it.
You can't fight stupid with stupid.
the Mexican Senate south of the border, or the one in Yakima, WA?
I think you're confusing "reactionary" for anti-tyrannical.
forget it, he's on a troll...
Thinking SJWs are puritans does not make you a member of your boogieman hashtag group. It makes you a reason person who believes in freedom away from religious and socjus regressives.
What actual power do SJWs have? Are they proposing legislation in the US Congress? Or are they just a bunch of underemployed 20-something hipsters yakking online?
This guy is a senator for a populous nation, so he has actual power, and there's a possibility his legislation could actually get passed.
More and more lately I'm becoming convinced that the Internet, which at one time showed such great promise, has just become utterly useless for anything other than paying your bills and shopping -- and there are plenty of criminals out there who would ruin it for that, too.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Not bullshit... Cowshit, my friend. Apps are for cows! MOO! ...or something like that.
They have the power to vote with their wallets. Many of them tend to not just be 20-something hipsters, but spoiled 20-something hipsters. Many companies will choose to appear to align with them (regardless of whether they actually are) because they know they have money.
Don't you realize that a small, committed group of silly twenty-somethings with piercings and blue hair are the greatest threat to our freedoms and our culture?
You are welcome on my lawn.
I can't believe that nobody's made a joke yet about how many Mexican CPUs you can fit into a microATX case.
You are welcome on my lawn.
SJWs don't have to propose things to Congress, because they are working for Congress.
The platform on the Democratic side uses bullshit generated by extremists to push an agenda. The bullshit is that women only make 70c on every dollar a man makes, and that 1 in 3 women are raped. Her personal attack changing Sander's quote from "I'm tired of people yelling about things while not taking action" to "some people call women talking screaming" is such an obvious piece of propaganda that you have to be both blind and mentally retarded to miss it (and no, I'm not a Sander's fan). Read the studies yourself and compare the bullshit to _FACTS_.
Title 9 allowing college tribunals to put people on trial for "sexual assault" was already passed and Universities already ruin people over allegations.
I have not heard any "main stream" media mention that Hillary's "win" in the last debate was based on a sample size of 168 people. I did not hear any difficult questions from the media in that debate for her regarding any of her allegations that she's pro women yet takes many millions of dollars from Saudi Arabia and Qatar where women are stoned to death for disobeying their husband or doing something without permission. Her obvious lies about email were dropped by the media. But I have heard EVERY station complain about how Ben Carson talks and looks, how "cheap" Sander's suits are. (which includes the Daily show which used to be at least partially unbiased).
SJWs have as much power as the people with real power want them to have. Since it keeps us bickering with each other and them in power, they heap it on by the truckload.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
SJW just want the oppression of those who don't follow their narrative.
The fact that this is sitting at -1 simply illustrates the Truth of his statement.
Ask non-SJW males on most college campuses what power SJW's have.
They can get men kicked out of school for rape when no raping happens - with no refunds or ability to argue their position due to SJW pressure. False rape accusations aren't that uncommon.
Ask anyone with any connection to the gaming industry, be it a developer or a gamer what SJW's can do. Rumors have it that top developers have mandated new games have female villains and heroes even if it doesn't make sense.
They've pretty much ruined social media unless you stick to very small specific circles.
They've messed up Slashdot too. We have to have at least one SJW article about why we should all feel guilty women don't want to be in STEM fields. (my wife has explained this to me BTW and it's not a very PC answer)
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Germany is not a particularly old country, I'd argue that it's only as old as 1871 in its current unified form. The idea that it must be reunited out of some tradition is unreasonable given that to date it's been in a unified state for maybe 100 years total. Germany as a nation is younger than the American Civil War, I hope that puts things in perspective. And I'm not saying a country has to be old to be unified, that obviously makes no sense as no country would be unified under that case. But that East and West Germany have some old cultural connection beyond language is laughable. East Germany could have easily been operated as a free independent nation after the fall of the Berlin Wall an joined the EU. The messy bit would be the city of Berlin itself, but it could have become the next Luxembourg or perhaps Potsdam could have been rolled into it and it would be the next Belgium.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Because the Mexican version can punish everyone. It's a form of equality through oppression.
Now our job market will be flooded with software developers from south of the border.
no, that illustrates that the grownups do not want to waste time with your self-important prattle.
I've read a lot of computer law stories recently. All of them seem to take a slant of "politicians are idiots who don't understand computers". But when I've read them, the interpretation of "tech journalists are idiots who don't understand the law" seems a much more valid conclusion.
In most political systems, several people are involved in drafting these laws. Is it really likely that none of them thought through the possible ramifications?
Journalists, on the other hand, tend to work alone. And they often believe what other journalists write. Is it perhaps possible, that the journalist misinterpreted the wording of the bill?
I want to hear the non PC answer!
Or because it's off topic. If you already thing that Slashdot has enough social justice crap being posted, why bring it up in unrelated comment sections?
She said women are lazy and don't want to have to think and learn about specific things.
She said that women want things to work and don't want to do the work to make things work. If something doesn't work the way it's supposed to women want to get other people to get them what they want, they don't want to have to carry out the "boring" task of figuring it out for themselves.
I can see her point, I can't say I fully agree, at least on the lazy part. I have seen many women get interested, even obsessed with carrying out a task/solving a problem, doing tons of research and ground pounding and other work to get the task done, however rarely has it been something that had to do with technology. On another note, reboosting my wife's statement those things have usually been things I, and the people around us - be it a former coworker or personal relation - knew little about. I'm thinking about a dozen different things through history with as many women in mind.
It is possible based on anecdotal personal observations that the abundance of people who can and do take care of technical type problems for young girls and women prevent them from being forced to do for themselves, thus never actually developing an interest from doing it. In fact many of the females I do know in tech fields were from single parent homes and often didn't have male siblings.
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I miss the cow troll. I have to admit it's funny.
Let's shit on nerds.
The vast majority of Mexicans living in huts don't care, the rich don't care as they buy off whoever they need. It's an attempt to strangle the middle class, assuming Mexico has one, because that's where the growth always comes from.
In an irrational kleptocracy, the poor and uneducated and unconnected will stay poor and uneducated and unconnected, the rich are always rich, and its important to keep new people from becoming rich.
Neither your APPS or ====> MOOOOOOO! cows can hold a candle to my HOSTS!! file.
~APK
Anyone else find it hilarious that Windows 10 doesn't give a crap about Mexican laws?
I still don't understand how wanting and fighting for a more just and fair society is now considered an "Evil" thing. I'm out of the loop cause I genuinely don't care about internet debates.
He almost got the four horsemen of the infocalypse right. But I guess money laundering is no longer on the table, considering, well, who'd want to piss off their main money source?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Years ago my sister asked if I could help her add oil to her car.
I said I would teach her instead. What transpired after that was screaming, yelling, and running to mom and dad about how I was an awful older brother.
Some women learn to do things for themselves, and there are others that scream at everyone because they can't get their way.
And now we have the internet.
They also appear to have moderation power on Slashdot.
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They don't want fair. They want restitution by special treatment.
Remember, these feminist aren't anti-equality, they're just pro-women. That's the difference.
Nice Straw Man.
I bet the world trembles at your wit.
From what I can tell, the vast majority of 20-somethings in the US are *not* SJW types. They seem to be a very, very small but extremely vocal minority to me.
They also don't seem to have a whole lot of money, as they don't work in any kind of high-paying profession. Being a barista is not "having money".
Justice and fairness are great things.
However, restricting one group and giving unearned consideration to another group because the first group has "historical privilege" isn't just or fair.
She said that women want things to work and don't want to do the work to make things work. If something doesn't work the way it's supposed to women want to get other people to get them what they want, they don't want to have to carry out the "boring" task of figuring it out for themselves.
I've found this behavior in lots of people, not just women. Very few people I've met seem to have the curiosity or drive to figure things out for themselves; they'd rather go find someone who they know knows about it, and bother them to do it for them. I think it might have to do with introversion vs. extroversion. The extroverts think that they can get work done by standing around and talking about stuff endlessly, whereas the introverts actually put their heads down and do real work that requires deep thinking. So if there's a problem that requires serious thought or research, the introvert will start reading, googling, etc. to figure it out for themselves, and (hopefully) asking for help when they know they're out of their depth or need some pointers. The extrovert, by contrast, won't bother doing any of their own research beforehand, and will immediately go find the introvert and ask him, even if he could have found the answer with a quick google search.
I can see her point, I can't say I fully agree, at least on the lazy part. I have seen many women get interested, even obsessed with carrying out a task/solving a problem, doing tons of research and ground pounding and other work to get the task done,
Yeah, those were the female introverts.
Everyone, as in EVERYONE, would be better off without the War on Drugs. I'm sure you all know this... "Now get back to drinking beer and being fat and stupid" -- Bill Hicks, Philosophy
Take a hike, you Shatner-stealing Mexico touchers.
Franz Kafka didn't describe an imaginary country in his works, he just visited secretly Mexico sometime in his life.
I read that as, "I've not listened and I'm genuinely not interested in learning the facts and adjusting my beliefs accordingly. I'll just rely on emotion and what I think instead of reasoning and data. Don't bother to reply, I won't listen." Am I mistaken?
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
It's sitting at -1 because your shallow post relies way too heavily on the term "SJW" to get the pitchforks a'wavin.
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The neo-puritan push comes from student unions, they appear to have the power to dictate who can say what on campus. Such as shame since those same universities were the home of free speech during the civil rights movement.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
You think about the world around you, you are attracted to women who think about the people around them. Welcome to the club. :)
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
Beat them up, then post a video of them forced to eat dog turds while calling their mothers names. That's the proper way of destroying a loser with too much self-importance. Worked like charm for the geeks in the computer club.
Part of the plan, neuter all the troublemakers in college.
...while rewarding the useful idiots that are easily steered.
It's weird; it seems that when you go really extreme left, it looks almost exactly the same as when you go extreme right. Both of them are all for authoritarianism, just slightly different brands of it (on the left, it's basically Stalinism with the State as the decider of what's allowed, and on the right it's the State combined with religion deciding what's allowed, with the corporations benefiting, looking a lot like Iran crossed with Nazi Germany).
So basically a technological luddite, if the story is correct. apart from the complete misguided nature of how to really tackle the issue. Which should be very well known to all. humanity ;).
This being said. Luddites want to prohibit technological growth, i.e the future of operating systems for computers. but also taking into account wrong headed information, mis-information, rumor, dis-information. and the ever looming possibility of war, be it civil, or gang related. the environment, and given the basic necessities of all mankind i do indeed think i know what it is people do actually want. They want a fair go.
child porn appears because of pre-conceptions of innocence, identity theft appears from wreckless appropriation of law and social justice. online bullying comes from a branch of, social inequality, gender and physical variations, a lack of Maintenance of educational principles which *should* be really upheld by everyone, because of the interdependence of all people needlessly... The person should have the strength and know-how to start a country or/and start a colony on another planet(expand on creativity...if you want). these being taken care of, identity theft and financial fraud should vanish over the amount of time unitll it becomes apparent. for an example. would you break the law if you knew you would get caught? would something still happen if something was predicted?
I'm quaking over his spelling - apalogies indeed. OK, "arraigned" and "comprising" are actual words, but they aren't the ones he was looking for.
He makes Joe_Dragon look like Stephen Fry.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
You can just pay the cops to look the other way. Business as usual.
Political correctness is really just herd psychology pushed by insecure people who desperately seek social conformity.
It is if you have a trust fund and you're only doing it "because you like working with people", or to be ironic.