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Mexican Senator Drafts One of the World's Worst Internet Laws (gizmodo.com)
Kyusaku Natsume writes: This week, Mexican Senator Omar Fayad from ruling party PRI proposed a law to the Mexican Senate that would make it illegal to update your OS, disparage politicians, or become a whistleblower (Google translation of Spanish original), among other such nonsense. The poorly drafted law was written with the collaboration of the Mexican Federal Police — the agency that caused the U.S. government to cut back its financial support in the Mexican drug war because of their constant human rights abuses. Unsurprisingly, the stated goals of the law are to fight child pornography, identity theft, online bullying, and financial fraud.
Wait until someone tells him about the Dark Web.
"Never give up, for that is just the time and place when the tide will change." -Harriet Beecher Stowe ^_^
Because the Mexican version can punish everyone. It's a form of equality through oppression.
SJW just want the oppression of those who don't follow their narrative.
Ted Cruz will create the final draft for the US senate.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
Isn't that the same in each and every country?
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Nahhh... in this country, the supported reason (and the reason being used all the times) is national security.
So this goes as a warning as for any idiots that try to be Snowden v2... they should not be born a Mexican.
None of the claims in the article are true. While the draft has many inconsistencies and deficiencies (no exceptions for white hat or academic hacking among others), it does not criminalize anything of what is said in the article. Said law has been attacked heavily due to political reasons (Senator is on his way to be a governor candidate) and not because the law itself (that is really needed as there is a void in the legislation on cyber-crime that's due for over a decade).
You have to understand the Mexican judicial system is different and laws are not interpreted in the same way as English common law (Mexico uses civil law with heavier Roman law influences).
The wording of the law where people are claiming it would be illegal to modify your own PC, specifically words "dolosamente", which roughly could be translated to "with malicious intent". So yes, the purpose of said law is to criminalize any modifications or alterations to an information system with malicious intent, not wiping your own mobile. Both the original 3RD and gizmodo articles deliberately choose to omit that part. Which any decent lawyer or tribunal wouldn't.
The law also provides that any of the crimes in it will be prosecuted as private crimes, where the affected part needs to press charges and can withdraw them (issue a private pardon) at any time; with the exception of crimes against public infrastructure. It also provides that tribunals & judges must be consulted by IT experts on any cases regarding the law (so interpretation of the law would be influenced by the industry professionals).
Updates are forbidden? Call it an Upgrade.
The proposal doesn't mention updates specifically, it tries to criminalize "[disturbing] the functioning of a computer system". Performing an update is used as an example of how one could break that law, should it pass.
The U.S. needs to bight the bullet and annex Mexico already.
Pray tell, are you for or against social programs and a safety net for the poor? Because if you're for them, but against more government spending, you really don't want Mexico. And if you're against them, you really, really don't want Mexico. I'm slightly in favor of taking over Mexico, but you really don't want to pay for it. Cleaning up our mess down there would be incredibly expensive.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
forget it, he's on a troll...
What actual power do SJWs have? Are they proposing legislation in the US Congress? Or are they just a bunch of underemployed 20-something hipsters yakking online?
This guy is a senator for a populous nation, so he has actual power, and there's a possibility his legislation could actually get passed.
Just look at East Germany: the western side is still pouring money into reunification, and that's with a country that used to be part of them, where the culture is similar and the language is the same.
This guy wants to annex a country with an entirely alien culture, an entirely different language, and all kinds of social problems?
More and more lately I'm becoming convinced that the Internet, which at one time showed such great promise, has just become utterly useless for anything other than paying your bills and shopping -- and there are plenty of criminals out there who would ruin it for that, too.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Don't you realize that a small, committed group of silly twenty-somethings with piercings and blue hair are the greatest threat to our freedoms and our culture?
You are welcome on my lawn.
I can't believe that nobody's made a joke yet about how many Mexican CPUs you can fit into a microATX case.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I agree, the US should start by merging with Canada.
SJWs don't have to propose things to Congress, because they are working for Congress.
The platform on the Democratic side uses bullshit generated by extremists to push an agenda. The bullshit is that women only make 70c on every dollar a man makes, and that 1 in 3 women are raped. Her personal attack changing Sander's quote from "I'm tired of people yelling about things while not taking action" to "some people call women talking screaming" is such an obvious piece of propaganda that you have to be both blind and mentally retarded to miss it (and no, I'm not a Sander's fan). Read the studies yourself and compare the bullshit to _FACTS_.
Title 9 allowing college tribunals to put people on trial for "sexual assault" was already passed and Universities already ruin people over allegations.
I have not heard any "main stream" media mention that Hillary's "win" in the last debate was based on a sample size of 168 people. I did not hear any difficult questions from the media in that debate for her regarding any of her allegations that she's pro women yet takes many millions of dollars from Saudi Arabia and Qatar where women are stoned to death for disobeying their husband or doing something without permission. Her obvious lies about email were dropped by the media. But I have heard EVERY station complain about how Ben Carson talks and looks, how "cheap" Sander's suits are. (which includes the Daily show which used to be at least partially unbiased).
SJWs have as much power as the people with real power want them to have. Since it keeps us bickering with each other and them in power, they heap it on by the truckload.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Ask non-SJW males on most college campuses what power SJW's have.
They can get men kicked out of school for rape when no raping happens - with no refunds or ability to argue their position due to SJW pressure. False rape accusations aren't that uncommon.
Ask anyone with any connection to the gaming industry, be it a developer or a gamer what SJW's can do. Rumors have it that top developers have mandated new games have female villains and heroes even if it doesn't make sense.
They've pretty much ruined social media unless you stick to very small specific circles.
They've messed up Slashdot too. We have to have at least one SJW article about why we should all feel guilty women don't want to be in STEM fields. (my wife has explained this to me BTW and it's not a very PC answer)
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The document states they would like to make it illegal to modify or distribute the contents of computers that are not your own without permission of the owner.
That's one part. But Article 17 is only gives harsher fines if the computer is not your own. The full text is in this document:
http://www.senado.gob.mx/sgsp/...
By my reading of it, if you threw your own phone on the ground and broke it you could go to prison. If you wipe off Windows and install Linux, same thing.
Germany is not a particularly old country, I'd argue that it's only as old as 1871 in its current unified form. The idea that it must be reunited out of some tradition is unreasonable given that to date it's been in a unified state for maybe 100 years total. Germany as a nation is younger than the American Civil War, I hope that puts things in perspective. And I'm not saying a country has to be old to be unified, that obviously makes no sense as no country would be unified under that case. But that East and West Germany have some old cultural connection beyond language is laughable. East Germany could have easily been operated as a free independent nation after the fall of the Berlin Wall an joined the EU. The messy bit would be the city of Berlin itself, but it could have become the next Luxembourg or perhaps Potsdam could have been rolled into it and it would be the next Belgium.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Because the Mexican version can punish everyone. It's a form of equality through oppression.
Now our job market will be flooded with software developers from south of the border.
no, that illustrates that the grownups do not want to waste time with your self-important prattle.
I've read a lot of computer law stories recently. All of them seem to take a slant of "politicians are idiots who don't understand computers". But when I've read them, the interpretation of "tech journalists are idiots who don't understand the law" seems a much more valid conclusion.
In most political systems, several people are involved in drafting these laws. Is it really likely that none of them thought through the possible ramifications?
Journalists, on the other hand, tend to work alone. And they often believe what other journalists write. Is it perhaps possible, that the journalist misinterpreted the wording of the bill?
Or because it's off topic. If you already thing that Slashdot has enough social justice crap being posted, why bring it up in unrelated comment sections?
it tries to criminalize "[disturbing] the functioning of a computer system".
Ok.
Performing an update is used as an example of how one could break that law, should it pass.
But the law, as written, is clearly *attempting* to criminalize malicious disturbance. And it's pure sophistry to argue that this should includes the lawful system maintainer installing patches and updates to maintain the system. Even if some of them require a reboot, or contain a bug that causes downtime, etc etc.
Only a complete idiot would interpret it that way. Granted, the world is full of complete idiots, some who would derive a benefit if they interpreted that way, so they would in fact interpret it that way, and throw piles of money around trying to convince everyone that it means what they want it to mean.
Personally I believe the law was originally written in the US and the senator used Google for the translation to Spanish.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
We just got rid of the Conservatives. We don't need the Republicans. How about we open talks to merge with Cuba?
Only a complete idiot would interpret it that way.
After 9/11, we had "experts" touring the country to teach local PDs how to deliberately misuse the powers of the PATRIOT act for fun and profit.
The problem here has nothing to do with the intent of the law, but rather, that complete idiots will end up the final interpreters of it.
I still don't understand how wanting and fighting for a more just and fair society is now considered an "Evil" thing. I'm out of the loop cause I genuinely don't care about internet debates.
He almost got the four horsemen of the infocalypse right. But I guess money laundering is no longer on the table, considering, well, who'd want to piss off their main money source?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
In 1984, too, it was the Outer Party that was the most controlled.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Yes. I made that observation myself.
They also appear to have moderation power on Slashdot.
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Mexico has immigrants too. Believe it or not.
There's German names in Argentina, Brazil, and some other places in SA.
There's Japanese in Peru (former President Fujimori, for example)
It certainly isn't the same sort of situation that the US is for immigration from everywhere, but some of those countries, for instance, had a lot of Germans come over to develop the railroads or industry in the late 19th Century/early 20th. That's one reason that those places became safe places for former SS/Nazi party members after WWII.
We took Texas from them and look at the grief that has caused us.
Have gnu, will travel.
Sadly America doesn't have the balls to Annex either Canada or Mexico. (The former which would be a far better fit to the culture.)
From what I can tell, the vast majority of 20-somethings in the US are *not* SJW types. They seem to be a very, very small but extremely vocal minority to me.
They also don't seem to have a whole lot of money, as they don't work in any kind of high-paying profession. Being a barista is not "having money".
You may not need the Republicans, but *we* need you guys to reduce the Republican voters to a small minority of the overall voting population.
Or, we could have a compromise: let's break apart the US, let the South and Texas be independent, and the rest of the US merges with Canada. Maybe Mexico will try to annex the South after that.
No, it sounds like you've never been to southern California. I've been to San Diego lots of times, including the La Jolla area, Encinitas, Escondido, Carlsbad, and the LA area including the Irvine area. I've also been to Baja Mexico, including Tijuana and Ensanada. The two places couldn't be any more different.
Justice and fairness are great things.
However, restricting one group and giving unearned consideration to another group because the first group has "historical privilege" isn't just or fair.
She said that women want things to work and don't want to do the work to make things work. If something doesn't work the way it's supposed to women want to get other people to get them what they want, they don't want to have to carry out the "boring" task of figuring it out for themselves.
I've found this behavior in lots of people, not just women. Very few people I've met seem to have the curiosity or drive to figure things out for themselves; they'd rather go find someone who they know knows about it, and bother them to do it for them. I think it might have to do with introversion vs. extroversion. The extroverts think that they can get work done by standing around and talking about stuff endlessly, whereas the introverts actually put their heads down and do real work that requires deep thinking. So if there's a problem that requires serious thought or research, the introvert will start reading, googling, etc. to figure it out for themselves, and (hopefully) asking for help when they know they're out of their depth or need some pointers. The extrovert, by contrast, won't bother doing any of their own research beforehand, and will immediately go find the introvert and ask him, even if he could have found the answer with a quick google search.
I can see her point, I can't say I fully agree, at least on the lazy part. I have seen many women get interested, even obsessed with carrying out a task/solving a problem, doing tons of research and ground pounding and other work to get the task done,
Yeah, those were the female introverts.
Everyone, as in EVERYONE, would be better off without the War on Drugs. I'm sure you all know this... "Now get back to drinking beer and being fat and stupid" -- Bill Hicks, Philosophy
I read that as, "I've not listened and I'm genuinely not interested in learning the facts and adjusting my beliefs accordingly. I'll just rely on emotion and what I think instead of reasoning and data. Don't bother to reply, I won't listen." Am I mistaken?
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
It's sitting at -1 because your shallow post relies way too heavily on the term "SJW" to get the pitchforks a'wavin.
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The neo-puritan push comes from student unions, they appear to have the power to dictate who can say what on campus. Such as shame since those same universities were the home of free speech during the civil rights movement.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
You think about the world around you, you are attracted to women who think about the people around them. Welcome to the club. :)
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
It's weird; it seems that when you go really extreme left, it looks almost exactly the same as when you go extreme right. Both of them are all for authoritarianism, just slightly different brands of it (on the left, it's basically Stalinism with the State as the decider of what's allowed, and on the right it's the State combined with religion deciding what's allowed, with the corporations benefiting, looking a lot like Iran crossed with Nazi Germany).
Carly Fiorina could do it, just like she did with HP and ... umm, hang on.
I'll get me coat.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I'm quaking over his spelling - apalogies indeed. OK, "arraigned" and "comprising" are actual words, but they aren't the ones he was looking for.
He makes Joe_Dragon look like Stephen Fry.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I can't believe anyone actually thinks she'd make a good president. She ran HP straight into the ground; what do they think she'd do to the country?
You can just pay the cops to look the other way. Business as usual.
Political correctness is really just herd psychology pushed by insecure people who desperately seek social conformity.
We have a similar situation in the UK, except it's been going on for 300 years.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Nobody remembers that. Does anybody talk about Mitsubishi's unintended acceleration problem these days?
(Not that I buy the premise that running a business is like running a country anyway).
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Everyone in the tech field remembers that, but also importantly, her time at HP is almost all Carly talks about in terms of her credentials, though she incredibly tries to paint it as a successful tenure.
And don't you mean Toyota's unintended acceleration problem? People still remember that too, that wasn't that long ago.
How did you arrive at your statement?
The law states that phrase specifically "without permissions of the owner".
Both of your examples: the phone and the computer belong to you... you own it, you are the owner... How in the world would you break any laws if you droped the phone or wipe windows/install Linux?
Technically only one of the provisions says without the permission of the owner.