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US Tech Giants Increasingly Partner With Military-Connected Chinese Companies
theodp writes: The New York Times reports that analysts and officials in the American military community are increasingly examining a recent trend among U.S. tech companies of forming new partnerships with Chinese firms that have ties to the Chinese military. Critics are concerned that the growing number of such deals could inadvertently improve the fundamental technology capabilities of the Chinese military — or worse, harm United States national security. "One Chinese technology company receives crucial technical guidance from a former People's Liberation Army rear admiral," notes the Times. "Another company developed the electronics on China's first atomic bomb. A third sells technology to China's air-to-air missile research academy. Their ties to the Chinese military run deep, and they all have something else in common: Each Chinese company counts one of America's tech giants — IBM, Cisco Systems or Microsoft — as a partner." A blurring of the lines among many companies that supply military and commercial technology makes it difficult to know what cooperation might result in technology ultimately being used by China's military. "The Chinese companies are required to do the best for their government. American companies say they are only answerable to their shareholders," said James McGregor of the consulting firm Apco Worldwide. "So who is looking out for the United States?"
Multinationals like IBM and Oracle are only "American" when they are bidding on Government contracts.
Well, not the politicians! (but they should)
Companies are just companies. Bottom-line only. That's what everybody expects and wants from them. And not just the "1%"! The individuals trading from their desks, the pension plans, mutual funds, etc, too!
will eventually refine down to the mere complaint that China exists.
No problem. Capitalism will win in the end. :-) Have a nice day.
The Chinese are the ones looking out for the United States. After all they are on the most self destructive path possible right now.
That would be the NSA...
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Was wondering when the US Government would find new ways to shakedown US tech firms for not acquiescing to their encryption back-door demands.
Foreign tech giants increasingly partner with military-connected US companies as well.
So??
What a stupid story to have on Slashdot.
And when Chinese tech companies are forming partnerships with American firms that have ties to the American military, critics complain that they will get crucial technology and sneak in backdoors, which could inadvertently improve the fundamental technology capabilities of the Chinese military — or worse, harm United States national security.
I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of killer sig, which this margin is too narrow to contain.
All those of you who believe profit seeking corporations have any interest in 'US' security.
Only a few decades ago Communists were the enemy. Russia was said to be the epitome of evil. Fast-forward to today and China is being courted by dirty-old men like a virgin princess with the promise of nightly sex orgies. The governments of most western countries are traitors to the people they are supposed to be serving. The people...not the corporations. Welcome to 1984 where reality of whatever the government says it is for the moment.
Military-Connected US Tech Giants Increasingly Partner With Military-Connected Chinese Companies
There, fixed that headline for you.
Aside from making the USA completely dependent on Chinese hardware, and giving away every single military secret or giving the Chinese the power to put in electronic backdoors in everything so as to neutralize any digital device depending on radio...
But corporations, and those who run them have no "country" other than money, and that country keeps them comfortable anywhere. They don't even care who wins the wars, as long at the profits keep rolling in.
Please do not read this sig. Thank you.
No one, same as in the case of H1Bs. Corporations have no conscience.
"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."
by:Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
Anyone remember that?
Pure Capitalism has no allegiance to anything but profit
The Capitalist believes as Keynes put it "the worst of people acting for the worst of reasons will automatically do what is right..."
They never do, and they never will.
The Chinese will soon have the cost of the F-35 reduced to $2.7 million (even less if ordered in quantities of 3 or more) and free shipping!
SAS motto: Who dares wins.
Capitalist motto: Who cares who wins.
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
I remember back in the 90s, when Loral sold US missile and space technology to the Chinese, after spending six to seven figures on key political figures and receiving waivers.
Donors want favors, politicians want money, it's a symbiotic relationship (politicians shake down donors, donors view it as an investment/protection money) which has become more and more overt over the years. It undermines the rule of law of course, and leads to corruption, but as long as politicians keep getting re-elected and donors keep getting what they want, the system will continue.
The belief is that people do in fact generally tend to try to take care of themselves and their families, to "be selfish". Since that isn't going to change, when making decisions about economic systems it's wise to recognize that fact and use it to your advantage. A simple example:
A successful system requires that people work.
People want to have money.
Therefore, a system in which people get money by working is more likely to be successful.
That's technically not a -capitalist- view, it's a liberty view. Strictly speaking, capitalism is something very specific and not actually that closely related. Capitalism recognizes that:
A successful economy requires investment (ships, factories, etc). This is called CAPITAL.
Capital invested may be lost, and in any event it's unavailable for other use so long as it is invested.
Therefore, whomever puts aside their own money and rather thean spending it, invests it into capital (401k) fairly should share in the rewards generated by their investment.
That's capitalism, very simple. The opposite view is that the elite class should forcefully take your money to invest in capital, take the rewards of investment themselves, then spread those out as they see fit. That's communism. Then you have the option to mix the two, whuch is called socialism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Land generates risk free rent without the need for any investment.
See subject & this: "You believe you fight a battle of nations. I have seen the future Captain: There are no flags..."
* :)
(Greed is the ONLY NATION nowadays & it's rulers worship the "new God" - "The HOLY DOLLAR"... fools - bad things happen when money become your God - look around you @ the results, show me different is all I can say...)
APK
P.S.=> This is what the world's become not only imo, but also experience after 1/2 a century... I feel bad for the kids growing up in this lunacy - by the time they get to my age, there won't be anything left worth having...
This? Hey - it's only a SMALL example of the "uglies" that accompany it!
(Worse things like wars vs. "WMD's" that were never found - "Gosh golly gee - I wonder why not?" (not) -They were NEVER there... it was a farce used to stir the US into a frenzy & funniest part is, it was like IF Soulskill here hit me, & I slugged CowboyNeal for it!)
Man - I don't know about the rest of you, but the world is a FUCKED UP DIRTY PLACE being led by total scum: That's ALL it's showing me!
The USA? Hey, we have TRULY THE BEST POLITICIANS MONEY CAN REALLY BUY & yes, they're for sale to the HIGHEST BIDDERS like the prostitutes they are (street hookers are more honest @ least) - & for sale to the TRUE "masters of the world", the dirty corrupt wealthy 1% WHO ARE FUCKING UP THE ENTIRE SHOW BIGTIME... makes me sick! They're VERY dumb & short-term thinkers with no souls... apk
Each Chinese company counts one of America's tech giants — IBM, Cisco Systems or Microsoft — as a partner."
Unless you mean partners in crime. Microsoft is a full fledged spy operation. Who are they selling and who are they selling out?
This song comes to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JTMVOzPPtiw#t=50
more trade = more peace
Land generates risk free rent without the need for any investment.
Ok, suppose you have land. What's the risk free rent on that land?
Now, suppose I dump a melting nuclear core on your land and a court finds that you should share in the clean up costs. What is the risk free rent on that land now?
"Capital invested may be lost, and in any event it's unavailable for other use so long as it is invested."
I wish that were true. But have you heard of the word "collateral", not as in collateral damage, but as in the thing that you put in your loan application? Yes, it's possible to use the same money in more than one investment. The financial system is really a massive Ponzi scheme until the people start panicking and try to cash out.
At one point, we had firewalls (at many levels) and some sense of partitioned security. Now to do business in some places, you have to put your process there and by that, the intellectual property is ripe for the picking. The West (US in particular) is very predictable, as we are an open society.. so if you want to suck out all the useful intel, you plan accordingly. I would guess we are allowed to exist until we present no benefit to some societies. We've donated willingly generations of knowledge of how to make things, taught the world how to learn, and now wonder why our good jobs are siphoned off, and our middle class is crashing. How many US cities are built with methods/technologies that are no longer local? Could we design a TV set anymore, or drive standards or accomplish grand things without relying on global resources? Masters of our own domain? Soveriegn? Not sure about walls, but we might benefit from some form of protectionism.
Time for a new Political party in the US (or two!) One is off the rails Other cant pony up a leader.
Since you tried to use "a simple example" to demonstrate "that fact":
A successful system requires that people work. People want to have money. Therefore, a system in which people get money by working is more likely to be successful.
Very logical and, like all logic, it rests on its propositions. I'm wondering why you proposed that people have to work, since computers and robots are overtaking human jobs at a fantastic/breathtaking/disturbing rate. You also haven't defined "successful" (or "system", but whatever). Out of charity, I'll assume that "people want to have money" even though I doubt it (for tens of thousands of years nobody wanted it). Furthermore, why assume that the people working are the same as those wanting money, or are the same getting the money?
I might be wrong, but in my experience Chinese people tend to be very much about trying to "take care of themselves and their families". You might say Confucianism is this very idea. Or that after being screwed over by "foreigners", or indeed the cultural war from their very government, for a long time, Chinese people as a whole are at least a bit skeptical of anyone outside their friends and families suggesting pretty much anything. In conclusion, who gives a shit what you call capitalism or communism?
Capitalism knows no homeland. The Homo Economicus does not care about national security
If a certain piece of real-estate is a factory, it's not also a park at the same time. If you put resources such as steel and labor into building a ship, you can't at the same time put those same resources into building a power plant.
For making such economic decisions, it is helpful to be able to measure the relative costs of different types of resources. Is it better to use up 1,000 hours of labor, or 5,000 pounds of steel? To decide, we must know how much labor is costs compared to steel. We measure this in a unit called dollars. The important point here is that when we say "it cost $10 million dollars to build the ship", what that means is "building the ship used up $10 million worth of resources- labor, steel, etc." It's a measurement of the actual cost, of actual resources which were used up. Those labor hours are used and gone. That's one use of the word "money" - as a MEASUREMENT of resources used or generated.
Much as a measuring cup can be reused, dollar numbers in bank databases can also be reused, or created. That doesn't create or recreate the resources which money can measure. If you eat a pound of bread, you still have the scale, but the bread is gone. It's turned to shit. If you eat $1 of bread, the bread is gone, turned to shit, while the dollar previously used to measure it is now used to measure some other thing.
You wonder why I said that someone has to work in order to provide all day the things you need and want? True, machines have been doing more and more of the work since roughly 1685, so 430 years. Perhaps you can form a society in which nobody works, while machines grow food, inspect it, package it, cook it, and deliver it.
Why don't you give it a try. You can buy a hundred acres in Montana, Wyoming, or parts of Texas or Arkansas for almost nothing and set up your own little society. Then see of machines bring you tennis shoes. Try it and see. I suspect you'll get pretty hungry about 18 hours into your experiment, but give it a shot.
Ill leave this here for you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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Wikipedia definition may not be perfect but is good enough
No that I have any hope that you'll learn any thing and stop spreading bullshit
BTW my excuse for my bad English is that it is not my mother language, what's yours?
P.S. No, I'm not a socialist, but them there are plenty of morons out there accusing David Cameron and Obama of being "Socialists"
They complain that china has free reign of the networks and state secrets. This level of stupidity is pathetic
> The opposite view is that the elite class should forcefully
I thought this is called Tyranny, which is the opposite of democracy?
> whomever puts aside their own money and rather thean spending it, invests it into capital (401k) fairly should share in the rewards generated by their investment
You mean the elite class can decide where they want to spend their money?
This is called Tyranny, which is the opposite of democracy.
The opposite would be a democratic economy, also known as communism.
Free Market consequence.
In the free market, the capitalists do not give a rats ass about national security.
Only care about money and resources. Companies only care about amassing wealth for themselves.
Not people, not government, not security, not safety.
First fallacy: That wealth is a reward for work. 75% of the 1% have taken the 5 million dollar inheritance exception at least once, said the IRS in 2007. MOST wealth is the result of inheritance
Second Fallacy: The idea that a CEO is worth more than 1100 manufacturing employees.
Third Fallacy: The ridiculous idea that a system of positive feedback is rewarding improvements.
Forth fallacy: The insane idea that speculation (the majority of investment is in financial instruments, also called speculation) has ANYTHING to do with freedom.
Fifth Fallacy: The asinine claim that selfishness built the dams, the highways, the garbage pickup, the clean air, the clean water. REGULATION made it possible for the nation as a whole to survive
SIXTH FALLACY: the liberarian lie that selfish action without restraint is anything but crime
Freedom only exists in a level field of competition, where a Legacy Bush Yalie has exactly the same probability of reaching billionaire class as a floor sweepers son who graduated City College.
What is it with libertarian fools? Do you really live your lives by the insane assertions you make?
I have two suggestions for you. First, you might want to look up the word "fallacy". Since you enjoy debate, it will be useful to you know what a fallacy is. (It doesn't mean "wish").
Second, in the world we actually live in, you will get old. It will come in very handy to have some money set aside, so I strongly encourage you to consider contributing to your 401k. Your company will probably match part of your contribution, which is free money. Investment: it's not just for rich guys; it's for anyone who recognizes "later" will actually happen.
Speaking of rich guys, over 90% of millionaires made less than $100,00 and became millionaires slowly, by sensible investment such as broad-based mutual funds. That's how average guys become millionaires - slow and steady.
> Sorry, but the fallacies I have mentioned are observed facts.
Facts can't be fallacies. Again, you might want to look up the word "fallacy". It doesn't mean what you think it does. Or maybe what you wish it does - it seems you conflate what you wish vs actual reality.
Fallacies are (generally named) patterns of invalid logic, such as circular reasoning. Wikipedia does a good job of listing most of the major fallacies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
You'll recognize a few from your post, which includes (in order) cherry-picking, straw man, and Nirvana fallacy.
Sorry, but a claim of facts CONTRARY to observation is a fallacy.
And the observations of economics stand.
Capitalism without socialism is farms without dams with water going to the wealthiest few.
Capitalism without Socialism is Yemen or Syria or any other failed state.
Fyi regarding "capitalism without socialism is Syria", Syria is a socialist country, after being communist before. They legalized private business a few years ago, but over 30% of business is owned and run by the government, and a third of the population is on the government payroll.
Yemen's economy was crap when it was a communist satellite of the USSR, surviving only on Soviet aid. Unification of North and South Yemen caused more problems because their economic systems were quite different. After many decades of great poverty, they have recently bought been moving more toward the economic principles of far richer countries like the US.
Now, why would a court decide you had a duty to prevent an illegal dumper from poisoning your own land, absent proof of collusion? Seriously, finish the thought before you type.