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Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign, Citing Unfair Debate Rules (washingtonpost.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Harvard law professor Larry Lessig is ending his run for the Democratic presidential nomination. Lessig blames the demise of his campaign on party rules that have left him "shut out" of the Democratic debates. "The party won't let me be a candidate," Lessig said in his final campaign video. "I can't ask people to support a campaign that I know can't get before the members of the Democratic Party."

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  1. Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who?

    1. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Larry Lessig, a sharp guy. Look him up.

    2. Re: Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Obviously not that sharp.

    3. Re: Who? by Roodvlees · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually they kept him out because of how sharp he is. Afraid he would reveal how corrupt they are and the whole system is. Or are you saying he should never have tried something because it might not work?

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    4. Re: Who? by Another,+completely · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If he can't convince his own party to put him in a debate, how would he do at convincing congress and senate to support his policies as president? Convincing politically biased groups to do things is just about the primary job skill for a president. It sounds like he thought he had that skill, but it turned out that he wasn't up to the practical test.

    5. Re: Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Coping with corrupt assholes is the job for corrupt assholes. We don't need more of those in positions of power.

      Voting for someone that are just going to preserve status quo is a wasted vote. If we don't get leaders that actually solves problems into positions of power it really doesn't matter what we elect.

      Has America aver had any use of elected presidents? Did any of them even actually change anything?

    6. Re: Who? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Lincoln and FDR. To a lesser extent LBJ. The rest were basically figureheads.

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    7. Re: Who? by Roodvlees · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I thought his job was supposed to be convincing voters. Maybe that's just my biased view of living in a country with much less corruption. He did raise more money than several others in the race, including in the democratic debate and was polled at 1% in three separate polls. So he did convince people. He indeed failed to convince corrupt media that they should give up on millions of dollars of easy profit every year.

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    8. Re: Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What policies? He only had campaign finance reform as his cause. He was a one trick pony and wanted to quit once he got everything passed, which would have required amendments to the Constitution. He was a non-starter out of the gate. I might as well vote for Bernie since he wants the same types of reform.

    9. Re: Who? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If we don't get leaders that actually solves problems into positions of power it really doesn't matter what we elect.

      Lessig has no realistic plan to solve, or even address, any problem. His plan is to amend the constitution (something the president has no power whatsoever to do) and then resign. That isn't a plan, it is a fantasy.

    10. Re: Who? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      LBJ changed things all right, just not in a good way. He massively deepened America's involvement in the Vietnam War, leading to the deaths of 50,000 Americans and around a million Vietnamese. He was one of the worst Presidents in US history.

      He did manage to get the Civil Rights Act passed, so that's good, and he tried to do something good with his Great Society program (though the actual results weren't that great), but his involvement in the war more than makes up for all that.

    11. Re: Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much summed it up. One note clown vanity campaign, like Trump but without the insanity; same level of inanity tho. To Lessig I say, "waaaaaaaaaaa... Boo hoo hoo, they wouldn't wet me debate... Boo hoo hoo waaaaaaa boo hoo hoo."

        Crybaby bitch.

    12. Re: Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You live in a country with the *perception* of much less corruption. Feel free to reveal your country, and it won't be difficult to prove how rife with corruption your country is. I've never even heard of a country with low corruption, because human nature and societies ruled by a ruling class of politicians is universal amongst all currently existing nations. The effects are also the same.

      The only difference between the U.S. and other countries is the degree of international media coverage, and that it's currently "hip" to hate on the U.S.

    13. Re: Who? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Well the gp didnt say only good changes

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    14. Re: Who? by Another,+completely · · Score: 1

      To me, it's the other way around. Convincing the voters is just how he gets and keeps the job. The actual function of a president, however, is not to get elected; it's to decide what action is appropriate, and then to convince the politically-biased groups in the various branches of government to do things that need to be done. Some bossing around is certainly possible, but there's a lot of convincing involved.

    15. Re: Who? by operagost · · Score: 1

      LBJ created the War on Poverty, the second-longest running war after the War on Drugs.

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    16. Re: Who? by kencurry · · Score: 1

      good post. I wish more voters and media talking heads could grasp this fact; would help a lot to weed out the nutters.

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    17. Re: Who? by jd2112 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Based on results of the wars on drugs, poverty, crime, etc. We need a president to declare war on intelligence. I have high hopes for President Trump or Carson on this.

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    18. Re: Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll. If that were true then these type of things wouldn't be ranked and published in magazines such as the economist. But I'm sure you already knew that.

    19. Re: Who? by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Can he run as an independent? Can he join Bernie Sanders?

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    20. Re: Who? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Actually they kept him out because of how sharp he is

      No, they kept him out because he was not a serious, credible Presidential candidate. By his own admission, he was not a serious contender. Anyone who says that he's going to just pass some voter reform and then resign is honestly not worth our attention and is just wasting time and money. Not when we have a few dozen people running who are actually interested in the job.

    21. Re: Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I put it to you that Lessig knows more about amending the constituion than you do.

  2. Main problem: His initials aren't HRC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the Democrat Party we are talking about. The coronation of Hillary for 2016 was decided years ago.

    1. Re:Main problem: His initials aren't HRC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ^^^ THIS ^^^

      Bernie Sanders (I-VT) will lose the Democrat nomination, because the Coronation must proceed, no matter what. It's been surreal watching even Colbert and Oliver back HRC. Surreal the morning after the debate when HRC was declared the winner despite offering nothing but scripted talking points.

      It's merely a question of whether Sanders will actually run as an independent. 2016 is looking to be (Jeb|Trump) vs. HRC vs. Sanders. Two of the people I've named are the absolutely wrong choices. Pick Jeb or HRC, especially HRC, and you'd better have plans for staying away from major cities beginning in 2019.

    2. Re:Main problem: His initials aren't HRC by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Funny. I heard that back in late 2007. It didn't quite turn out that way in 2008.

    3. Re:Main problem: His initials aren't HRC by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Jeb is being increasingly rejected. He is uninspiring, supports Common Core and the alien invasion, is a Bush, and is correctly regarded as part of the Republican Establishment. There's little chance of him reaching the general election.

      About half of the Republican candidates are better for the country than JEB.

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  3. Re:Is this still a thing? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

    You think you want to know the truth...but you don't. It's worse than anything you could even imagine.

  4. this is why we have crap for politicians by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    I think that we need to scrutinize election rules under the same constitutional lens we're using for gun laws.

    We need to get away from the clinton's, bush's and future obama's and get actual presidential material into the white house.

    That can't be done if the media and election laws shape only the rich and powerful to get elected.

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    1. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only thing you should do is try to get back to the principle one person - one vote. Currently it is one dollar - one vote.

    2. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by zugmeister · · Score: 0

      That was the crazed ranger with the rat familiar, wasn't it?
      Let's look it up...
      Some of Minsc's dialog includes Boo in it. For example:
      "Go for the eyes Boo, GO FOR THE EYES!! RrraaaAAGHGHH!!!"
      "Camaraderie, adventure and steel on steel. The stuff of legends! Right Boo?".
      "Ahh, we are all heroes, you and me and Boo, hamsters and rangers everywhere, rejoice!"
      Completely off topic but yeah I remember that.
      I also remember rolling a ranger who had a pet bird. I walked onto a map and it was insta-gibbed for some huge amount of damage. Boom! Permanent loss of 2 constitution points!

    3. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      I ask you what I ask everybody, do you know who your state reps are? Not House member, but state reps/senators? Local country council? School board?

      Nobody knows these things...and remember they are passing laws and regulations, like gerrymandered districts. 'Winning' the US House and Senate is impossible if you haven't been paying attention at the local level.

      And I'm just as guilty as the next on this.

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    4. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that we need to scrutinize election rules under the same constitutional lens we're using for gun laws.

      We need to get away from the clinton's, bush's and future obama's and get actual presidential material into the white house.

      That can't be done if the media and election laws shape only the rich and powerful to get elected.

      This is America God Dammit! Of course only the rich and powerful should get elected.

    5. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Not only do I know the names of each and every single one of them - I have met each and every single one of them, in person. Of course, it helps living in an unincorporated township in the middle of nowhere. I don't have to know nearly as much information. I do wish there were some way to ensure we had an informed voter while actually not abusing such a system. Alas, I am unable to think of such a thing. Even tests can be made to give prejudicial results with things as simple as verbiage.

      Maybe if you had to check off a certain answer that was the platform the candidate was running on? I don't really know. I'm sure they'd find a way to abuse that or just make sure that only a few things were on their signs and were repeated often enough and maybe using mnemonics. That may not help at all. It also doesn't really do anything to help ensure we get higher quality candidates onto the ballots. A good candidate will probably have a more meaningful platform (even if just rhetoric) than will fit comfortably on a bumper sticker.

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    6. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      The weird thing is that the US president is as important as he is at all.
      Why isn't he just "the head of ministers" that he a president is in most countries; just like all the other ministers with a few specific extra responsibilities.
      Instead, in the US, the president is like a king; exactly the type of ruler they opposed so ardently.

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    7. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      I think that we need to scrutinize election rules under the same constitutional lens we're using for gun laws.

      The fundamental problem with that approach is that these aren't Constitutional rules. They're PARTY rules. And the parties can make damned near any rule they want, because it's their party. If you want to run under the banner of that party, then they call the shots.

      George Washington warned about party shenanigans in his Second Farewell Address. Starting about where it says "[Page 11]".

    8. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have my District Rep's personal cell number on my cell phone. I also knew who he was when he was just at the local level--then stood out on the corner with him holding a sign when he was running for congress.

      I honestly don't care any more or want to know who the local reps are at the city, state and county level anymore because I want to fucking move; but all those assholes seem interested in is keeping property values low--which means I can't sell and move the fuck out. (My property value is still down since 2005--which wasn't even the peak, thanks assholes! )

      So Fuck them and fuck my neighbors--their constituents, who seem to like the idea.

    9. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by fredgiblet · · Score: 2

      Except he isn't really? I mean he can't even PROPOSE laws, he has to have someone else do it.

    10. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Yep, Nothing like people who don't vote in primaries or the general complaining their vote doesn't matter.

    11. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You haven't been watching the great divider at work have you ?

    12. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      He looks like he's trying for "one s, one apostrophe".

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    13. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop speculating on your property.

    14. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by silentcoder · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Step one: learn your own history. Jefferson forsaw the rise of an American aristocracy and created a perfect tool to prevent and undo it: the estate tax. Since the early 20th century rightwingers have been progressively dismantling that tool and now, surprize surprize, America is ruled by a de facto aristocracy.
      Restore the estate tax to 95% and the problem (in all its many forms) is fixed in one generation.

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    15. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by fnj · · Score: 1

      I am prepared to censure him gently for using the apostrophe (forgive me if I would do so in my imagination only) if you would tell me how to deal with the following situation, not using an apostrophe or some similar mark.

      Suppose a family's surname is S. How would you reference two of them? Or, a little more realistically, suppose Mr. Lessig's name were Mr. Less. How would you reference two of the members of his family?

      Always writing "two members of the Sanders family" strikes me as rather circumlocutory, but "two Sanderss" just looks silly, and "two Sanderses" doesn't seem quite right either. I humbly suggest we not cut off our literary nose to spite our face. (I realize that figure of speech is just a bit misplaced, but I can't come up with the exactly correct one at the moment).

    16. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Estate tax used not to exist because 100% of it went back to the crown.

      When Cromwell unseated the king and instituted the political class as the ruling class, there was no crown to get the estate, and the estate was kept in private hands. Of course, the estate would have gone back to the same hands under the king (as long as they were acceptable to the crown), so *in effect* it was little different. The king could demand any sum from the new owner, however, since the king owned the land and was basically selling it again. It did mean that the estate became an institution, and then estate taxes were invented to ensure that the pure privilege was paid for rather than garnered by luck.

      It wasn't a USA invention.

    17. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "-es" is probably the right way to go. After all, you don't talk about the two "Bushs" who have been presidents, right? It's "Bushes".

    18. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My property value is still down since 2005

      And where is that? Maybe it was over-valued when you got it? (If your first answer was "California", then yep.) I bought a house in NW Austin in 2001 and plan to move soon, it's looking like it could now be worth at twice what I paid for it, maybe a little more.

    19. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bush has been out of office for 7 years. Give it a rest.

    20. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Anon-Admin · · Score: 2

      one person - one vote?

      If we are going to "Get back to" something, it was originally one LAND OWNER - One Vote. Owning land was like owning stock, own stock and you can vote on how the company was run, own land and you can vote on how the country was run.

      Technically it was any Free, male, land owner in most places but some allowed free, female, land owners as well.

    21. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have voted in every election I have been eligible to vote for for 16 years. I research the candidates. I make rubrics. I have voted for hundreds of candidates. The only ones who have ever won have been a handful of family court judges and school board members. My vote does not matter.

    22. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moron. The aristocracy will always be exempt from the laws that they find inconvenient - if for no other reason that they have the means to find ways around them. Estate tax at 95% means that nothing of any meaning will pass between generations: if you were born poor, you have no hope of leaving your children anything meaningful to keep them from being poor.

      Good job at destroying the middle class - much better that we all be permanently by members of the proletariat while the government (remember those aristocrats?) gets to spend 95% of the accumulated wealth every person ever earns.

    23. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      The US version was instituted at a different time and for a different reason. The one I cited.

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    24. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Spoken like a person who knows he has little chance of an inheritance, or at least one who isn't old enough to understand the consequences. I'd bet my house that if you were due for $10 million, you'd change your tune in a New York minute.

      The problem is that there are no limits on the scope of government, in direct contrast to the founders' vision. The reason aristocracy is interested in coercive authority in the first place is that the business of coercive authority is lucrative, and the reason it is lucrative is because there are effectively no limits on the scope of government (measured in both revenue and power over the people). The bigger government gets, the more incentive to exploit that power for personal gain. Simple as that.

    25. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Step one: learn your own history. Jefferson forsaw the rise of an American aristocracy and created a perfect tool to prevent and undo it: the estate tax. Since the early 20th century rightwingers have been progressively dismantling that tool and now, surprize surprize, America is ruled by a de facto aristocracy.
      Restore the estate tax to 95% and the problem (in all its many forms) is fixed in one generation.

      You might want to listen to "right-wingers" now and then to learn something. The estate tax in its current form has been around for 90 years - not since Jefferson. During that time the exemptions haven't been indexed to inflation so the size of an estate that is taxed is now dramatically smaller than it was back then. That means that it hits small businesses and farms the hardest. Meanwhile actual rich people have carved out big enough exemptions that they don't have to worry about it.

      While I don't care to "dismantle it" (of course, I'm not a "right-winger", anyway) it needs to be fixed back to its original purpose of taxing rich people. The debate is similar to the left trying to raise taxes on "the rich" while succeeding in raising taxes on the middle class instead. Doctors and lawyers are not "rich". (In case you're that far left, let me make this simple: "but he has more money than me :(" doesn't mean "he" is "rich")

      I know someone right now who owns a farm that's been the family for a few generations. During the time the city has grown up around it and the property values have soared. She's 84, husband is gone. It's unlikely that her four kids can come up with the money when she's gone, so the land will be sold. That wasn't the intent.

    26. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Assuming your right... why should we care what the tiny minority destined to acquire ten million they didnt earn have to say ?

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    27. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The presidents only power is to sign laws and enforce laws. The president cannot suggest laws, vote on laws or decide their constitutionality. Some people call the POTUS the most powerful man in the world but he is far from it. Doesn't really sound like a king to me.

    28. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by operagost · · Score: 1

      95%. That's nice. Now, when a man dies his family can be left destitute.

      That's not what Jefferson had in mind.

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    29. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is exactly the attitude that propagates the expansion of government -- that a tiny minority shouldn't matter. Of course it's a different story if you're actually part of that tiny minority. For example, a tiny minority have been sentenced to death in this country and later found to be innocent, compared to the total population. So what if a few people are murdered by government for the good of the country. They're just a tiny minority, after all. (And that is only one of about 1000 examples.)

    30. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Except he isn't really? I mean he can't even PROPOSE laws, he has to have someone else do it.

      What part of "I have a phone and a Pen and I'm not afraid to use them" didn't register with you? The president may not be able to make law, but they have a LOT of power.

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    31. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in other words it's worth exactly what you paid into it when you considering interest and property taxes. Congratulations on making zero money.

    32. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      You're effectively comparing the minority of people who stand to inherit millions of dollars against the minority of people who are wrongly sentenced to death. Now, I know being wealthy can be such a burden, but surely it's not quite as bad as death, right?

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    33. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I know someone right now who owns a farm that's been the family for a few generations. During the time the city has grown up around it and the property values have soared. She's 84, husband is gone. It's unlikely that her four kids can come up with the money when she's gone, so the land will be sold. That wasn't the intent.

      Today, the estate tax applies to inherited assets in excess of $5.43 million. She has 4 heirs, and they can each inherit $5.43 million free from the estate tax. If it's "unlikely that her four kids can come up with the money when she's gone", the implication is that they'll face an estate tax burden greater than $0. That means that the total value of this farm exceeds $21.72 million, assuming the heirs cannot afford any tax burden.

      I'd argue that someone with a single asset worth $21.72 million is indeed wealthy, and that the intent of the estate tax was (and is) indeed to tax her. If she chooses to allocate her assets such that she doesn't have any liquid capital, only the farm, then that's her choice. To spin her as some sort of charity case, however, is disingenuous at best. There's enough wealth to generate an annual revenue of $434,400 at a modest 2% interest rate (and even a CD will yield closer to 2.45%). Split evenly between the five family members, that's $86,880 per year per person, indefinitely, living off the interest alone. That's 3.25 times the size of the median individual income. While she has my sympathies for the loss of her husband, I won't be losing any sleep over this independently wealthy family's financial situation.

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    34. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Any citizen can suggest laws. It takes a congressman to introduce a bill.

    35. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Boo was his hamster companion.

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    36. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      According to the voting rights act, you can't even have a literacy test for voting, it is racist apparently to expect people to be literate and actually know what is going on before they can vote.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      This is the same act that put in federal law that districts had to be gerrymandered to create minority districts, as if you don't you must be discriminating against minorities.

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    37. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      For 7 years, we have had this:

      https://www.google.com/search?...

      How is that not being divisive?

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    38. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the part where he hasn't actually done it because he knows it is blatantly unconstitutional.

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    39. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it's nice to define terms. Let's play around:

      Upper class: the top 2% by wealth of a poplation
      Middle class: everyone that's not upper or lower
      Lower class: everyone below the poverty line, currently ~15% of the US

      If we figure these definitions, the vast majority 83% are middle class and that includes some people that are "rich", surely a loose term.

      Let's say lower middle class are people who are working for minimum wage, barely paying bills, no investments in stocks, small local vacations, has never left the country and probably never flown on a plane. Middle middle class might be people with some higher education, significant discretionary income, paying off a mortgage in a normal neighborhood, always bought used cars. Upper middle class might be those who are "rich" - maybe they've bought new cars, they have stock investments outside of a 401k, they take frequent vacations, they might be living in a nice suburban neighborhood.

      I think in this case, doctors and lawyers might fall into middle-middle or upper-middle class. Those in upper-middle could fairly be considered "rich".

    40. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      Sadly, when I voted today, both of my state election options were moot...the party I don't want was running unopposed :(

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    41. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Owning land was like owning stock, own stock and you can vote on how the company was run, own land and you can vote on how the country was run

      Stockholders get a number of votes proportional to the number of shares they own. Property owners still only got one vote, no matter how many pieces or the size of their property... It is much more equalizing than shareholder votes.

      And it probably wasn't such a bad idea at the time... With today's 12-years of compulsory education, it's hard to imagine, but there were a large number of people who didn't have the wherewithal to cast even a minimally-informed vote, and it seemed like a good idea to screen them out, somehow.

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    42. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. Your vote matters exactly as much as any and every other's vote in each of those elections. Don't confuse "my vote matters" with "my vote decides the winner".

    43. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Opportunity ? Or horribly gerrymandered district ?

    44. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by trout007 · · Score: 1

      You are missing the main weapon, the Federal Reserve. Jefferson did away with that too. Estate taxes are useless when you and your friends control the creation of money. Heck, you could tax me at 100% if you let me create my own money, I'll just print the money to pay the taxes.

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    45. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Nothing racist about the right to vote. Ignorant people have the right to cast wildly uninformed and misinformed votes in this country.

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    46. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Oh he knows, but he proceeded to violate law by executive order until the court ordered him to stop on at least one occasion.

      IMHO - He's been treading on very thin constitutional ice for a lot of his activities since his party lost control of congress in his 2nd year. For those who have blindly supported this, I submit that you should be seriously concerned about the precedents he's now set. The left won't be in the presidency forever you know...

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    47. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by oldmac31310 · · Score: 0

      Family court judges are scum.

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    48. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      If his family is minors then that cannot happen since minors dont pay tax.
      If adults let them earn an income same as everybody else.
      The few that is left is why we have social safety nets.

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    49. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      I'm in VA, horribly gerrymandered. 51st Delegate isn't that bad but the 28th Senate in VA is ridiculous - it stretches from Northern VA to almost Williamsburg

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    50. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      The relatively powerful federal government with its feature of a powerful executive was largely a reaction to the failing of the weak one we had in place under the Articles of Confederation.

      People wanted to be able to 'get things done' at that point. They came up with a pretty good system which still had solid controls in place but over the past 200 years one excuse and abdication of congressional authority after the next has gradually turned the presidency into a king.

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    51. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the result will be selling the family business to one of the very few agricultural conglomerates, furthering the wealth divide.

    52. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      And the result will be selling the family business to one of the very few agricultural conglomerates, furthering the wealth divide.

      Selling the family business at market rate will not "further the wealth divide", as there would be no net change in wealth. Wealthy farmer woman sells her farm: she's down $21.72M in real estate, up $21.72M in cash. Agricultural conglomerate buys the farm: they're up $21.72M in real estate, down $21.72M in cash. Net difference: 0.

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    53. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't understand the situation. I live on a farm and I understand this issue.

      A family farm may have a high valuation because land prices have increased. However, the family farm still generates a modest income, possibly near the poverty level for the family. The farmer may appear to be rich or wealthy on paper, but that is only if the farmer sells everything.

      The farmer may have been born on the farm, and perhaps the parents and grand parents were also born on the farm. They might have a family cemetary on their property. They worked the farm, were never rich or wealthy, and they passed the farm down to the next generation.

      Now, because of the death tax/estate tax, the next generation is out of luck. The next generation is not rich and they will not be able to keep the family farm because they will be hit with a big tax bill. The next generation will not be able to keep the farm and pass it down to their kids.

      The kids will get some cash from the forced sale of the farm but they will not be able to replace the family farm because the government confiscated more than 50% of the value of the family farm from them. This is not right.

      (unicorn)

    54. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      You don't understand the situation. I own lots of Berkshire Hathaway shares and I understand the issue.

      My estate may have a high valuation because BRK share prices have increased. However, my holdings generate no dividends at all, putting me way below the poverty line. I may appear to be rich or wealthy on paper, but that is only if I sell my BRK stock.

      I may have inherited these shares, and perhaps my parents also inherited these shares. My ancestors may have sold their kidneys to buy these shares. They held these shares, were never rich or wealthy, and they passed the shares down to the next generation.

      Now, because of the death tax/estate tax, the next generation is out of luck. The next generation is not rich and they will not be able to keep the BRK shares because they will be hit with a big tax bill. The next generation will not be able to keep the shares and pass them down to their kids.

      The kids will get some cash from the forced sale of the shares but they will not be able to replace the BRK shares because the government confiscated more than 50% of the value of the BRK shares from them. This is not right.


      Now do you see why your argument makes no sense?

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    55. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Using the definition that $5 million per person counts as being destitute, yes.

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    56. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The objection is not the loss of wealth, but the loss of a family farm. BRK shares are fungible, an ancestral farm is not.

      There are also issues of fair valuation. Many states have favorable tax rates for farms, and other factors that make the assessed value higher than the market value. The inheritors are unlikely to get a good price when they sell. Some areas have laws that forbid or penalize subdividing farm plots; the inheritors will not be able to sell off part of the farm to retain the rest.

      I'm not arguing that maintaining small family farms is a good thing, I think it's foolish. But sales of family farms forced by the owner's death can be hard on the heirs.

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    57. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And look how that's turned out for you.

    58. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Obama hasn't exactly been the hope and changey sort of guy his supporters hoped he would be, but the debt ceiling is something that should never, ever be "negotiated" on. Just the idea is preposterous. Now the budget? That's where the negotiating should go. Negotiate the hell out of it, make it smaller. Curb excess, curb waste, curb entitlements, curb abuse, etcetc. But that's when we make the decisions on the amount of money to spend.

      You don't spend money, then negotiate on whether to pay the creditors. That way leads to true financial ruin. There really can be no compromise on that point, so how could you have a negotiation? You can't -- it's a hostage situation rather than a negotiation.

    59. Re:this is why we have crap for politicians by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      He can suggest laws. He can even write laws if he wants, but they still have to be introduced by a member of Congress and be voted on by Congress.

    60. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, that's not the way it works... The estate total needs to be less than $5.43 million. That's a lot of cash, but it's not a lot of land, especially in an area near a city where land values have increased astronomically. Most farms, (especially small ones) are land rich and cash poor. Even a modest estate tax as a percentage on five million of land is a pretty huge amount of money. There is no way to invest that land in a CD or do something else to prepare for a hefty tax bill.

      So they will basically be forced to sell the land to pay even a modest tax. Now, it's true that they won't be suffering. They will each get a nice check for a cool million or so. But the family farm will be gone in favor of tract housing and a strip mall.

    61. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      Um, that's not the way it works... The estate total needs to be less than $5.43 million.

      No, the estate tax is paid by heirs, not by the decedent.

      That's a lot of cash, but it's not a lot of land, especially in an area near a city where land values have increased astronomically.

      It's a lot of land by value. Estate tax is relative to value. There's no reason why someone inheriting a tiny 0.1 acre lot in Manhattan worth $10M should face a lesser tax burden than someone inheriting a sprawling parcel in flyover country worth $10M.

      Most farms, (especially small ones) are land rich and cash poor.

      What is the relevance of how someone's investments are allocated?

      Even a modest estate tax as a percentage on five million of land is a pretty huge amount of money.

      Indeed, and that's because five million [dollars] is itself a pretty huge amount of money.

      There is no way to invest that land in a CD or do something else to prepare for a hefty tax bill.

      If capital is allocated such that there is insufficient liquidity to cover expenses, that sounds like a personal problem. Perhaps selling the aforementioned $5M farm, buying a $4M farm instead, and saving the $1M to cover heirs' expenses would be a better approach?

      So they will basically be forced to sell the land to pay even a modest tax. Now, it's true that they won't be suffering. They will each get a nice check for a cool million or so. But the family farm will be gone in favor of tract housing and a strip mall.

      Why should it be the responsibility of the poor to subsidize the farms of millionaires?

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    62. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      I'm not arguing that maintaining small family farms is a good thing, I think it's foolish. But sales of family farms forced by the owner's death can be hard on the heirs.

      Forgive me for lacking the empathy to be able to say that inheriting over $5.43M in assets "can be hard" on people. They're getting a net gain. A huge net gain. Larger than most people can ever hope for. I'm sure it also "can be hard" on them that they can't just outright rob the poor too. First world problems.

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    63. Re: this is why we have crap for politicians by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      What is to stop the rich people from simply moving all their money overseas? Wouldn't that get around that tax?

      So rather than inherit 20 million, you now own several companies that exist outside the US?

  5. Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by mbone · · Score: 0

    ... and no one except his Mom and a few slashdot editors knows or cares.

    1. Re:Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      I think you're proving the point of his complaint with that comment.

    2. Re:Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ... and no one except his Mom and a few slashdot editors knows or cares.

      That may change. For me, even just a few years ago, the corrupting influence of money in politics wasn't an issue that I'd ever really thought much about. There was a lot that I was angry about. But it was hard to make sense of it all.

      The Iraq war never made any sense. If there was any country that should been held accountable for 9/11, it was Saudi Arabia. But somehow Saudi Arabia was our "friend". And then there was the housing/financial collapse followed by a long recession. Supposedly the Tea Party was all freaked out about the budget deficit but their solution was to advocate cutting taxes on the rich. Huh? If you're really concerned about budget deficits then you raise taxes - particularly on the people who can easily afford to pay more.

      In his Gettysburg Address, which he probably wrote while he had smallpox, Abraham Lincoln talks about the USA having been founded to have a government of, by, and for the people. Now, at least until our robotic overlords take power, governments are always comprised of people. But what Abraham Lincoln meant was ordinary people - that the U.S.A was founded to be different than Europe, and most of the rest of the world, that was, at the time, governed by a small, mostly hereditary, ruling class living lives of frivolous luxury by exploiting everyone else. To me, one of the most egregious betrayals of the principles on which the USA was founded occurs at times when the USA is itself controlled by a small mostly hereditary ruling class and when the ruling class uses the US military to support brutal dictatorships in other countries because these dictatorships give money and other personal favors to members of the US ruling class - i.e. the "banana republic".

      So why does a candidate like Hillary, who claims to be all about women's rights, have such a cozy relationship with Saudi Arabia? Obviously, follow the money. Like the Bushes, the Clintons have been given millions and millions of dollars by the Saudi ruling family. Do we want yet another president for the USA who deep in the pocket of brutal dictatorships like Suadi Arabia? Well, my personal answer is: Absolutely not!

      There was a time when I didn't get it. But now, with Hillary running for president, and likely to receive the democratic nomination. Lessig's message about the corrupting influence of money was exactly what was needed. It's just too bad that the Democratic party chose to shut him down and suppress his message.

    3. Re:Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by x0ra · · Score: 1

      To some extend, nobody knows who Martin O'Malley is...

    4. Re: Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Are you kidding me? The Left in America *despises* the common folk. Seriously, fuckin' hates them. Just look at Lessig...Harvard professor, really? Because Harvard is so well known for NOT being an elitist hellhole. Talk about someone who really cares about rednecks, spics, and niggers. Hell, Harvardites look down on people with PhDs from state universities. Lessie is just another ivory tower academic, if you think he has any compassion or love for the kind of people who post on Slashdot, you are seriously mistaken.

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    5. Re: Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I honestly don't know how much Larry Lessig is motivated to try to do something about the corrupting influence of money on the American government by concerns about academic topics like perpetual copyright extension or by concern for ordinary Americans. But, regardless of his motivations, if he were to succeed in reducing the corrupting influence of money on the American government then ordinary Americans would almost certainly benefit.

      It's ironic that so many Americans are terrified of Muslim terrorists taking over the USA when the main ruling families in the USA, the Bushes and Clintons, are already solidly in the pocket of the Saudi royal family.

    6. Re: Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      The Left in America *despises* the common folk.

      You're talking right out of your ass here, or at best, projecting. Seek help, in case its the latter. Even such a bigot as you has the right to know his own mind.

    7. Re:Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by mbone · · Score: 1

      To some extend, nobody knows who Martin O'Malley is...

      Well, I know he's a Democrat. I can't say the same about Mr. Lessig.

    8. Re: Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by Mashiki · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're talking right out of your ass here, or at best, projecting. Seek help, in case its the latter. Even such a bigot as you has the right to know his own mind.

      He's not really wrong, though he should have said extreme left. That of course is the left part of the spectrum, where anything that isn't a part of your ideology is far-right. You can look at the amount of garbage coming out of universities attacking common people from wrong think, going directly after freedom of speech and expression, attacking people for wearing costumes they find offensive, whining about how people are invading their safe spaces while engaging in so much self-hate and white guilt that they're drowning in their own stupidity.

      It's not limited to just the US, it's also in Canada and in Europe. Many of the things the extreme left are engaging in, aren't any different then what the ye olde aristocracy engaged in. That's not disproving the occasional horse shoe theory in action.

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    9. Re: Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by silentcoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ive met him a few times and Im from a third world country with no PHD at all. Yet he listened to my ideas with interest and gave constructive and useful suggestions. He listened to my talks the way I listened to his lectures.
      You are slandering a man in ignorance. Elitist ? Exactly the opposite. He is a man who spends his life in search of new ideas and cares not where he finds them

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    10. Re: Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by dave420 · · Score: 0

      Paranoid bullshit.

    11. Re: Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by fnj · · Score: 0

      Paranoid bullshit.

      I don't happen to agree with your so-elegant rebuttal. The proposition is that 'The Left in America *despises* the common folk.' I believe there is clear evidence of that in every part of their agenda and their attitude. I submit that the way they treat their base as victims is so condescending as to invite seeing their attitude as one of contempt. The way they think everyone needs a big brother to guide them properly and enforce correct behavior and thinking (PC) is extremely insulting to anyone with any self-respect.

      I am really not big on the left-right division, which I see as mostly diversionary, but I do think the above point has merit.

      Now, if you're still with me and haven't tuned out yet, the really interesting thing is that I am much less sure than ever that the agenda and attitude of the left is actually mistaken and inappropriate.

    12. Re:Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by gtall · · Score: 2

      Yes, some of us do know who Martin O'Malley is. He screwed up Baltimore as mayor and then decided to do to the rest of Maryland what he did to Baltimore as governor. Seeing Washington right next door, he decided his ego was big enough to encompass that as well and is now running for the Democrat nomination. But he doesn't have a vagina so this isn't his year.

    13. Re: Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Paranoid bullshit.

      Idiot that hasn't been paying attention.

      Banning of expression and speech banning wrongthink
      Banning of speech on university campuses and another banning costumes and another safe spaces, and no dissent safe spaces and pro-racial segregation. Did I miss anything, or do you need a few dozen more examples? This isn't isolated, you can find more examples of every single one.

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    14. Re: Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I forgot in my previous post, that this isn't a left-vs-right thing. This is the pro-authoritarian left mainly right now, with some on the right with shared beliefs(aka horseshoe theory in action), and pro-social libertarian left and right fighting against this garbage. This is how far banning people for wrongthink has gotten.

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    15. Re: Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The extremist left is a manufactured product for media-conglomerates.
      This product is in it's nature a giant strawman.
      It's not real and the way the corporate media portrays the stereotypes and other negativity around it is typical for a tactic known as character assassination.

    16. Re: Larry Lessig Ends Presidential Campaign... by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The proposition is that 'The Left in America *despises* the common folk.'

      This sounds like a great topic for Intelligence Squared Debates!

  6. The system is rigged? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Glad I didn't become a Harvard law professor before I figured that out.

  7. Actual Threats Need Not Apply by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    Lessig might have actually had a chance, can't have the possibility of messing up the Royal Coronation underway!

    Same reason Biden is not running.

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    1. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lessig might have actually had a chance, can't have the possibility of messing up the Royal Coronation underway!

      Same reason Biden is not running.

      No, Lessig never stood any more of a chance than Nader. he even stood much less so because many people knew who Nader was before there was Google. And nobody still knows who Lessig is.

      Lessig's campaign was a fucking joke from day one. He may be an activist with many accomplishments, he's still unknown outside of a few nerds. That makes him just another fucking idiot. At least idiots like Dick Perry knew how to play the game, Lessig didn't even get that far.

      Politics aren't about ideals, or accomplishments, they're about getting elected. Because if you don't get elected and you don't have the money to make you're voice heard, you're just another mouth.

    2. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She almost has enough superdelegates to win the primary w/o a single vote. Even if she doesn't gain the support of any more, she doesn't even need to win a single state to take the nomination:

      http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-08-28/clinton-s-superdelegate-tipping-point

      That's not democracy.

    3. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And nobody still knows who Lessig is.

      A lot more people would have known who he is if he had been allowed into the Democratic Party debates.

      Did he have a chance of winning the Democratic nomination for the upcoming 2016 election? Probably not. Could he win somewhere down the road? I don't know.

      But, to me, what's interesting about this story is that certain people in the Democratic Party really didn't seem to want his message about the corrupting influence of money to be heard. And when you look at all the millions of dollars that the Clintons have been given by dictatorships with terrible records on things like religious freedom and women's rights (e.g. Saudi Arabia), it's not hard to imagine that it wasn't just a few rogue Democratic Party outsiders who wanted Lessig's message to be suppressed.

    4. Re: Actual Threats Need Not Apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You admit that they are votes so that is democracy.

    5. Re: Actual Threats Need Not Apply by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It's never a democracy unless it is in your favor. /s

      The system is rigged, unless you or your candidate wins. /not sure if snark

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    6. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Political parties are allowed to nominate their candidates any way they like.

      If you don't like their candidate, join a different party, or start your own.

    7. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Why would choosing a party candidate be democratic? Who the fuck cares whether or not it is (besides the losers, obviously)?

    8. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Why would choosing a party candidate be democratic?

      Do you know the meaning of the phrase "Eating your own dog food"?

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    9. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      A lot more people would have known who he is if he had been allowed into the Democratic Party debates.

      Yeah, that's even true for you Mr. Anonymous. It's hardly a reason to include him in a "PARTY" debate.

    10. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Myself, I'm not much of a public champion for the issues that the Democratic party claims to believe in.

      On the other hand, when people talk about the corrupting influence of money on American politics they're less worried that some American family struggling to survive with both parents working minimum wage would donate $10 to Hillary and that in exchange for that one $10 donation Hillary would raise the minimum wage up to $20/hour. What they're actually worried about is that a small number of ultra-rich families in the USA (and also abroad - e.g. the Saudi royal family) would give Hillary many many millions and that she would then use her power as president to do favors (e.g. involving the US military, CIA, etc.) for these few ultra-rich families.

      Supposedly the Democratic party is all about helping ordinary Americans - and particularly those ordinary Americans who are down on their luck. So the Democratic party should really care about the corrupting influence of (big) money on the American government. But by suppressing Larry Lessig's message, the Democratic party may actually be showing its true colors.

    11. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or start your own

      ahahahahahaha, not in america... if you're not a demtard or a repubtard, you're not getting anywhere in politics.

    12. Re: Actual Threats Need Not Apply by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      Yep. No liberal I know votes democrat because they trust the politicians or has any faith in them delivering on election promises. They vote democrat because if they dont the republicans would give big red button to a batshit insane lunatic.

      Better a bad but sane president than a batshit crazy one. Good candidates dont get to be an option anymore.

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    13. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Politics aren't about ideals

      They aren't plural either.

    14. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by monkeyxpress · · Score: 1

      Lessig might have actually had a chance, can't have the possibility of messing up the Royal Coronation underway!

      Same reason Biden is not running.

      I thought it was Jeb's turn this time? I guess Obama messed the schedule up.

    15. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same reason Biden is not running.

      Not quite. Biden isn't running because he doesn't want to get whacked.

    16. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      But when you combine that with the fact that the two dominant parties completely control the electoral process, that's called "tyranny."

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    17. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      Yes, Obama was not supposed to get the nomination before and Hillary is Rather Irked about that.

      The Republicans at least have the good sense this time to kick out THIER retread.

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    18. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      And nobody still knows who Lessig is.

      Nobody knew who Ben Carson was before either, but they do now.

      That's the power of the primary debates, is anyone can come into national prominence.

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    19. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by bobbied · · Score: 1

      BTW - Ole' Ben Carson has been running a campaign for nearly a year now. Maybe not officially, but there has been a PAC on this for a LONG time. He wasn't totally unknown when he officially filed the paperwork.

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    20. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Same reason Biden is not running.

      Not quite. Biden isn't running because he doesn't want to get whacked.

      By who? Hillary? I think Biden knows that unless Hillary gets perpwalked in handcuffs, his best day in the polls would be when he officially started the campaign. He doesn't have the juice to compete with the Clinton machine. He'd loose like he did before.

      Or the Republican? It's pretty clear to me that the republican nominee would wipe the floor with Biden. Biden is a walking gaff machine when he's out talking off the cuff, and if he ran it would really hard for him to stay on prompter. He'd be forever walking back the gaffs...

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    21. Re:Actual Threats Need Not Apply by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      A lot more people would have known who he is if he had been allowed into the Democratic Party debates.

      What was he supposed to talk about? Seriously, he stated he would pass a Constitutional Amendment reforming elections (somehow...) then resign. He was a single issue voter. What was he supposed to answer in a debate if someone asked him what he was going to do about ISIS? Or health care? Or religious freedom? "Well, I don't know, but let me talk about getting money out of elections." What a joke, of course he was shut out.

    22. Re: Actual Threats Need Not Apply by VisceralLogic · · Score: 1

      Yep. No liberal I know votes democrat because they trust the politicians or has any faith in them delivering on election promises. They vote democrat because if they dont the republicans would give big red button to a batshit insane lunatic.

      Better a bad but sane president than a batshit crazy one. Good candidates dont get to be an option anymore.

      And this is what's wrong with America. Everyone votes for the lesser of two evils, so the Rs and Ds have no reason to change. Only when you stop living in fear and vote third party will there be any change.

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  8. His presidential campaign never began. by piojo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lessig has great ideas, and we need someone really serious to fix the corruption in our system. However, I can't imagine anybody taking his platform seriously. He wants to resign after a partial term! I think people won't want to elect someone that's only serious about doing part of the job. A specialist. Unfortunately, the US has been sick for a long time and needs a specialist.

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    1. Re:His presidential campaign never began. by dmomo · · Score: 2

      He decided to remove the resignation component from his plans weeks ago. He was prepared to go whole hog. The Democratic Party still didn't want him in.

    2. Re:His presidential campaign never began. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then I would go with Bernie Sanders, a guy who is planning on staying for the long haul with a track record of practicing and fighting for what he preaches which is exactly what this nation needs overall.

    3. Re:His presidential campaign never began. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bernie has been surprisingly soft on Hillary. I have to wonder whether there isn't already some kind of backroom deal where Hillary has promised him the vice president slot if he agrees to play along with the charade that she is the people's choice for the Democratic presidential nominee.

    4. Re:His presidential campaign never began. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He decided to remove the resignation component from his plans weeks ago. He was prepared to go whole hog. The Democratic Party still didn't want him in.

      He was an idiot to have in there in the first place. That shows extremely poor judgement, and not someone you want to have running in a serious election.

      Seriously, nobody knew who the fuck he was. He made statements about getting one law passed then resigning. I don't blame anybody for not allowing him in the debate because he's a farce and an embarrassment to the parts--far more so than slick willie--who was a Governor or Hillary--who was a Senator and Secretary of State.

    5. Re:His presidential campaign never began. by fnj · · Score: 1

      He decided to remove the resignation component from his plans weeks ago. He was prepared to go whole hog. The Democratic Party still didn't want him in.

      Maybe if he hadn't started off with such a silly plan in the first place, people might have taken him a little more seriously.

    6. Re:His presidential campaign never began. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He decided to remove the resignation component from his plans weeks ago. He was prepared to go whole hog. The Democratic Party still didn't want him in.

      Maybe if he hadn't started off with such a silly plan in the first place, people might have taken him a little more seriously.

      There are many labels you could give his plan, but "silly" seems inappropriate, at least if you know any history. The Founding Fathers would probably have strongly approved of such an initiative, since they knew their history too and modeled our country after principles of ancient Greece and Rome.

      The ancient Romans had a specific way of dealing with a major crisis -- they'd elect a dictator as an "extraordinary magistrate" whose sole purpose was to deal with the crisis and then resign. The classic example invoked by the Founding Fathers was Cincinnatus who twice was given absolute power by the Romans and then gave it up to return to his farm. For the Romans, there was nothing worse than a politician who sought to keep power for a long time -- a trend that held for centuries until Julius Caesar finally broke that system and turned the Republic into an Empire.

      George Washington has been compared to Cincinnatus a number of times, in that Washington could likely have been declared king after the Revolutionary War, but refused -- and then also made the example of resigning from the Presidency after two terms to avoid setting a precedent for a kind of king-like life-long reign.

      I agree that Lessig's idea was idealistic and weird from a modern political perspective, but our country was founded on the ideal of a man who would take power to usher in ultimate reform (particularly in a crisis) and then give it up and return to his normal life. The Romans -- and the Founding Fathers -- thought there was no greater patriotic or noble duty than to be able give up great power once you have served your purpose.

      The thing that's sad about Lessig's run is not only that he failed to get attention to his actual platform, but also that his revival of this old idea of giving up power failed to galvanize the American people, at a time when our system is moving increasingly toward concentrated power in the Executive Branch of the Federal Government. Such a return to the ideals of the Founders may be one of the few things that could prevent an ultimate devolution into a Caesar-like autocratic regime at some point in the future. (And if that sounds overly alarmist, consider that the decline of the Roman Republic happened gradually introduced by reformers who pledged to help "the people" more and more, and with each stage of "populist" reform -- and periodic scare tactics and wars -- the "people" voted to give up more and more rights to their ruler.)

    7. Re:His presidential campaign never began. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are many labels you could give his plan, but "silly" seems inappropriate, at least if you know any history. The Founding Fathers would probably have strongly approved of such an initiative, since they knew their history too and modeled our country after principles of ancient Greece and Rome.

      Yeah, "silly" is inappropriate because it vastly understates the case. History be damned; the modern American electorate, unlike the time of the Founding Fathers, neither know or care about history. They are closer to the uneducated and illiterate populace of the Roman Empire more than anything else.

      If Lessig can't be bothered to live in the real world, "idiotic" is the nicest word I can think of to describe his campaign.

    8. Re:His presidential campaign never began. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      There are many labels you could give his plan, but "silly" seems inappropriate, at least if you know any history. The Founding Fathers would probably have strongly approved of such an initiative, since they knew their history too and modeled our country after principles of ancient Greece and Rome.

      The ancient Romans had a specific way of dealing with a major crisis -- they'd elect a dictator as an "extraordinary magistrate" whose sole purpose was to deal with the crisis and then resign. The classic example invoked by the Founding Fathers was Cincinnatus who twice was given absolute power by the Romans and then gave it up to return to his farm. For the Romans, there was nothing worse than a politician who sought to keep power for a long time -- a trend that held for centuries until Julius Caesar finally broke that system and turned the Republic into an Empire.

      No, it's silly because getting elected means depending on votes from drooling morons who don't have the slightest clue about any of that! You have to at least pretend to be a "normal" candidate (i.e., corrupt-as-fuck sociopath), then reveal your noble scheme after getting elected.

      In other words, Lessig's fatal flaw was that he assumed the American public was rational and paying attention.

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    9. Re:His presidential campaign never began. by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      Bernie has been surprisingly soft on Hillary.

      It's because when he's run against female candidates in the past, they bury him with spurious accusations of sexism (even though he's a feminist), but he's not politically-correct enough to defend against the tactic.

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    10. Re:His presidential campaign never began. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, Lessig's fatal flaw was that he assumed the American public was rational and paying attention.

      When you put it like that ... yes, it really was silly. Very silly.

      It would be funny if we weren't so completely f**ked.

    11. Re:His presidential campaign never began. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say it's still silly because he planned to resign. If you have to go back 2000 years to find a precedent, you are being silly.

    12. Re:His presidential campaign never began. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very few presidential candidates are populist right now. Take a look at immigration. Americans by and large reject amnesty and want further protections for American workers. But both both parties have avoided doing this because both benefit from increased immigration (more votes or more money to businesses).

    13. Re:His presidential campaign never began. by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I would much rather have seen Lessig on the debate stage with Clinton and Sanders than Chafee and Webb (who have also dropped out now). A lot of folks were legit upset that those two were "wasting my time" taking questions during the last debate. Lessig at least can say interesting things (that aren't humblebrags about killing viet cong). He's essentially been a professional speaker for a couple of decades.

    14. Re:His presidential campaign never began. by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      The japanese did that, similar anyway, with the Shogun. Took them hundreds of years, the threat of invasion by a vastly superior force, and a civil war to finally rid themselves of it.

  9. yeah right by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps a single issue "I'm going to pass one law and then resign" candidate just isn't well aligned with the Democratic party platform? Just a thought.

    1. Re:yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He did later change to say that he would not resign, as many people including yourself did not understand what he was doing.

    2. Re:yeah right by Snotnose · · Score: 1

      As opposed to "I'm going to dodge 1, maybe 2 more scandals then be coronated"?

    3. Re:yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like you Lessig is just a self-agrandising idiot who failed immediately.

      The morons how gave him money lost that money on nothing.

    4. Re: yeah right by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      All that shows is that he is a flip-flopper with no will to do the job of president. That would have killed him in any debate. "What a maroon!"

      Putin would have a field day exploiting the power vacuum in so many ways.

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    5. Re:yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why, yes, that kind of platform is aligned with the Democratic party platform. In particular, the "coronated" part, where an all powerful leader fights for justice, defends the faithful, and rights all wrongs. It may not be a good platform, but it's what the Democratic party stands for.

    6. Re: yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All that shows is that he is a flip-flopper with no will to do the job of president. That would have killed him in any debate. "What a maroon!"

      You're right, it probably would have killed him in a debate.

      We (the American electorate) want a STRONG leader who'll STICK TO THEIR GUNS & won't change their minds based upon based upon reality!

      Maybe we're the "maroon"s, not Lessig.

      (P.S. I'm kidding about the "Maybe".)

    7. Re:yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Platform? Hell, he's out to disrupt the system, and the democratic party is 100% focused on ensuring the system keeps them in power.

    8. Re: yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What we need is someone who is strongly willed and will stand up for the rights of corporations. Someone like Clinton or Trump would be ideal.

      Ideally, we can continue the trend of getting the public to elect a congress and presidents who are easily swayed by corporate suggestion.

      When the approval of congress is less than 20% and the approval is less than 50%, then we are on the right track. The low approval rating means that their interests are rightfully not with the general public, and that elections can easily be bought, despite the obvious corporate influence.

    9. Re:yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought Lessig was mainly a closet anarchist? His affiliation with the Democrats seems little more than a ploy to use party resources to get attention (I was going to say elected but Hell hasn't frozen over yet). You could say they all do... but Lessig really is something special on that front.

    10. Re: yeah right by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Hillary Clinton is nasty and massively corrupt. She has no standards and will not consistently stand up for anything.

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  10. Money can't buy everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Money can't buy the Republican Nomination, just ask Jeb Bush.

    1. Re:Money can't buy everything by x0ra · · Score: 1

      Ben Carson has actually raised more money than Jeb, who is pretty much on par with Ted Cruz.

    2. Re:Money can't buy everything by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Ben Carson has actually raised more money than Jeb, who is pretty much on par with Ted Cruz.

      But it looks to me like the Jeb donors are jumping to Rubio and Cruz to me... Should Jeb's support split between the two candidates, I don't think Carson will come out on top.... But hey, Ben Carson has done better than I thought so far.

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  11. His mission has appeal beyond Democrats by dmomo · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the Democratic Party is the wrong platform for the kind of reform Lessig is gunning for. It's a shame that Third Party candidates hardly have a chance, because this really is where his candidacy belongs.

    1. Re:His mission has appeal beyond Democrats by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Let him run as an independent.... I'd love to see that.

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  12. More Details by quantaman · · Score: 5, Informative

    HuffPo actually explains how the rules changed:
    The DNC's rules for candidate participation in their debates were pretty straightforward--or so we thought. In August, before the Lessig campaign began, DNC Chair, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, announced the standards for being included in the debates. As she described the rule, a candidate had to have 1 percent in three DNC sanctioned national polls, "in the six weeks prior to the debate."
    [...]
    And indeed, that is precisely the rule that was applied in the first debate. As CNN specified in a late September memo, to qualify a candidate had to poll at 1 percent in the "polls released between August 1, 2015 and October 10, 2015." The first debate was October 12.
    [...]
    During that call, I was told that the DNC participation standard for the debates was for a candidate to be at one percent in three polls conducted, "six weeks prior to the debate"--not the clarified rule cited earlier by Wasserman-Shultz and the DNC political director that a candidate had to be at one percent in three polls conducted "in the six weeks prior to the debate."

    So the DNC had said 1% in the six weeks before the debate and used that standard in the first debate, but in the second debate where Lessig qualified by that standard they switched to 6 weeks before the debate.

    It seems odd even if you don't take the wording at face value and wonder about the missing upper bound in the range given by "six weeks before the debate".

    I can see why the DNC doesn't want a candidate who is there almost explicitly as a one issue protest candidate but that's a fairly dirty way to go about it.

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    1. Re:More Details by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I can see why the DNC doesn't want a candidate who is there almost explicitly as a one issue protest candidate but that's a fairly dirty way to go about it.

      Eh, the voters are down with it. All this angst is externalization at its finest, goes way back...

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    2. Re:More Details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe I'm a fucking idiot but I read through your post three times now and I can't tell the difference between 1% in the six weeks before the debate, and 1% in the six weeks before the debate. Huh?

    3. Re:More Details by mysidia · · Score: 4, Informative

      They changed the required 1% on the polls rule from "in the six weeks prior to the debate" To 3 polls "at least six weeks prior to the debate"

    4. Re:More Details by martyros · · Score: 1

      But this basically shows why Lessig will never be able to win, and even if he did win, would never be able to accomplish anything. Politics is about working the system, having one-to-one conversations to influence people. Obviously he doesn't have buy-in at the DNC level. If the party he wants to run with are changing the rules at the very beginning of his campaign to thwart his plans, what would the party who opposes him do all the way through his tenure?

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    5. Re:More Details by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      "but that's a fairly dirty way to go about it."

      Are you really surprised?

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    6. Re:More Details by martin-boundary · · Score: 2

      Well put. Frankly, I don't know why he even wanted to campaign in the first place, since he made it clear he didn't want to be the prez. Wasting people's time much? He thought he was going to game the system in a trivial way to get his message heard, and now he's upset that his intention was transparently thwarted.

    7. Re:More Details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, he demonstrated your so called democracy is fake. To me that was a very worthwhile thing.

      You must be pretty stupid to think that it is wasting peoples time pointing out that their votes are meaningless. Instead, you want to have us believe that it is worthwhile (for whom?) to vote on the candidates that continue this farce?

    8. Re:More Details by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Well put. Frankly, I don't know why he even wanted to campaign in the first place, since he made it clear he didn't want to be the prez. Wasting people's time much?

      I think you completely missed the point of his campaign. He DID want to be President, to accomplish a particular task in a moment of crisis, a move that would have undoubtedly been approved of by the U.S. Founders. It seems modeled after the principle of the Roman dictator (who was elected to serve in a moment of crisis and then expected to resign immediately afterward) and particularly Cincinnatus. (I've written more about this in another post above.)

      He wanted to be President to accomplish a particular task, and then cede his power to someone who was more accomplished in the day-to-day governance.

      The Founders would have thought his goal to be the ultimate ideal of nobility and patriotism, modeled after classical virtues and examples. It says something about how our country has changed (or perhaps about our ignorance of history) that we can't even take such a noble goal seriously. The Founders thought the ideal President was someone who did not seek power, but only served when called to accomplish particular purposes. Many criticisms could be leveled at Lessig, but he most certainly wasn't intending to "waste people's time" -- he was trying to revive one of the oldest and noblest principles of leadership that founded the U.S.

    9. Re:More Details by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      He wanted to become President to be a cheerleader. The President has no role in Constitutional amendments. He can be a cheerleader anyway, with approximately the same chance of getting his agenda through.

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    10. Re:More Details by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Any President can accomplish a great deal as constipator-in-chief. Unless both houses of Congress can consistently override his vetoes, nothing passes without his approval.

      All Presidents get a great deal of publicity and the (often undeserved) respect that many people assign to any holder of the office.

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  13. Blindness happens to smart people too... by Coeurderoy · · Score: 2

    It was quite obvious from day one that the people who organize the party have absolutely zero interest in Larry's platform, and that they will make sure that anything like his project gets hidden from the general public.

    As soon as he had any chance to be something more than a "decorative" candidate the party would make sure that he is blocked, because the system suits them just fine.

    The core issue is that the sheep vote for who ever has the more shiny adverts, so there is no "short term fix", maybe something like a 10 year project starting with a general campaign telling the public to under no circumstance vote for an incumbent candidate, no matter how bad the other guys are the only way you as a citizen can be listened is by showing that you have the power to punish a politician, and you need to punish all of them just for being unable to fix the system.

    Then campaign on : look at the tools that enable you to asses you representatives past performance, and future projects, ignore their adverts they are of no value what so ever...

    Then maybe, just maybe for the third round people will vote for their candidates because they believe in what they are achieving, or really planning to achieve and not because they have more shiny ads and are not quite as bad as the other guy(gal).

  14. Primaries = general election is transparent farce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The USA presidential election is an obvious farce. Voting between two choices preselected by the TPTB isn't a functioning democracy. Nobody feels well-represented by these clowns. The partisan back-biting is just a tactic to convince the plebes that these elections could possibly be the result of a democratic process. Smoke and mirrors for the plebians. You're NOT all cows, but TPTB would like me to believe that! As long as we're entertained and complacent we are effectively isolated from each other's common experiences and discontent but you aren't alone. People aren't asleep, they're aware of their situation however have correctly assessed the futility of their situation. Might as well chew grass then!

  15. Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Democratic Party [machine] still didn't want him in."

    They didn't even have the fake vote to block him., the way the Republicans did to block Ron Paul (2mins):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77W5OKStO5s

    He was simply never in the list of candidates offered for the debate. So he could never get 1% of that vote needed to be at the debate because nobody was allowed to vote for him. And that was largely due to the backdoor deals done at these debates to exclude candidates.

    Trump has a lot of money and makes a lot of noise, so not offering Trump on the debate would give him for ammo. They had no choice. But I bet they'd prefer it if Jebediah Bush was the only real candidate offered up to their party as pre-selected candidate.

  16. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he can't handle people trying to strong arm him then he probably would have been a poor president. Life isn't fair. Learn to deal with it. Is he trying to fix the issue or prevent it from happening again in the future? No, he whined about it then quit. Certainly justified with some whining, but not the giving up.

  17. Lessig is like a white guy in a pro boxing match by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only odds are, will he live or will he die! Win? Haha!

  18. And there's still a year to go. by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 1

    I can't believe there's still a year to go in this process. We had our entire Canadian election in the span of a few of these debates...this seems just a wee bit out of hand.

    1. Re:And there's still a year to go. by bankman · · Score: 1

      I can't believe there's still a year to go in this process. We had our entire Canadian election in the span of a few of these debates...this seems just a wee bit out of hand.

      Canadians haven't figured out that an election can be a real money maker for some influential people and a $Country's Next Supermodel for the plebs....err rest it seems.

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    2. Re: And there's still a year to go. by brianerst · · Score: 1

      It is a little ridiculous, but as I was telling my kids a few hours ago, parliamentary elections are inherently easier and quicker than a Presidential election would ever be. Party slates and party voting is just a lot easier than publicly selecting your party's standard bearer. In most parliamentary elections, the party has already decided its leadership internally (via party conferences) and generally puts forth it's slate fairly easily. The actual election season is thus just the race between the various parties. That's sort of equivalent to the US race after the big party conventions - which take place in late August for an early November election, which works out to around 60-70 day campaigns. That's roughly in line with your elections.

      Back before we made the nominating process so open, American campaigns were shorter. If we went back to the days of the party picking the candidate, we'd be pretty close.

    3. Re:And there's still a year to go. by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      It's the same in Oz and the UK, election campaigns run for ~6 weeks and voting is compulsory. The people don't pick the prime minister, the party with the numbers to form government does that but the PM must be an elected MP. The ruling party can also sack the PM as happened here in Oz recently but he will remain an elected MP. Basically there is no single person in the westminster system that has the "CEO" powers of a US president (including the queen / governor general).

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    4. Re:And there's still a year to go. by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's the same in Oz and the UK, election campaigns run for ~6 weeks and voting is compulsory.

      Voting is not compulsory in the UK.

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    5. Re:And there's still a year to go. by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      I can't believe there's still a year to go in this process. We had our entire Canadian election in the span of a few of these debates...this seems just a wee bit out of hand.

      Yes, you care so little about your system that you don't even bother to fight about it. That's out of hand. We at least care enough to try to get it wrong.

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    6. Re:And there's still a year to go. by istartedi · · Score: 1

      US elections have fallen prey to the same economic force that drives "Christmas creep" at retail establishments.

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    7. Re:And there's still a year to go. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlike the Americans, we also don't try to cram a hundred other items (ballot measures, propositions, local & state elections) onto one ballot!

  19. That Makes McAfee look like mainstream candidate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lessig's campaign started with a super-negative "I'll resign if elected".

    Whatever degree he has from Harvard, it aint't in marketing.

    And whatever his skills are, social media ain't one of them.

    No one to blame but himself. He may be a smart guy, but like many nerds he flopperstered in the self-marketing department. In an epic fail kind of way.

  20. Error In Title: it's not simply "unfair rules" by Qwertie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lessig didn't drop out because the debate rules were "unfair". He dropped out because the DNC changed the debate rules midstream in a way that would exclude Lessig from the debates. His campaign worked hard to meet the requirement to participate in the second debate, at which point they changed the rules to exclude again.

    Note that he raised more money than Webb and Chafee, who were allowed in the first debate; and if his name hadn't been excluded from polls, it's even conceivable he would have been allowed into the first debate.

    1. Re:Error In Title: it's not simply "unfair rules" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/22/tripwire-alert-evidence-now-exists-to-show-benefit-of-gope-road-mapped-splitter-strategy/

      And yes, it happens on the left-wing side of the political spectrum too. People in general are just vile creatures!

  21. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by x0ra · · Score: 2

    If that was truly the case, then there was no point in trying to stop him... Somehow, he scared the Democrats' brass.

  22. we are an Oligarchy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She almost has enough superdelegates to win the primary w/o a single vote. Even if she doesn't gain the support of any more, she doesn't even need to win a single state to take the nomination:

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-08-28/clinton-s-superdelegate-tipping-point

    That's not democracy.

    Well Congratulations for finally fucking noticing.

    We are not a Democracy, we are an Oligarchy.

    And before that we were a Republic, or were you not actually awake in your American Federal Government class; if you actually too one in College or even High School?

    1. Re:we are an Oligarchy by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Using the term "republic" to mean "representative democracy" is not a good idea, as to most people "republic" simply means a country without a dynastic leader. It might be a dictatorship, it might be a direct democracy, or it might be a representative democracy, or anything else.

    2. Re:we are an Oligarchy by fnj · · Score: 2

      Using the term "republic" to mean "representative democracy" is not a good idea, as to most people "republic" simply means a country without a dynastic leader. It might be a dictatorship, it might be a direct democracy, or it might be a representative democracy, or anything else.

      Well, the THIRD definition at dictionary.com is "a state in which the head of government is not a monarch or other hereditary head of state", but the FIRST definition is "a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them". Wikipedia leads off "A republic (from Latin: res publica) is a form of government or country in which power resides in elected individuals representing the citizen body and government leaders exercise power according to the rule of law."

      It's clearly a tortured stretch to refer to a dictatorship as any kind of a republic.

  23. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    That and less clever than Trump who managed to put one over on the other Democrats.

  24. To whom did he really appeal? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    He's in favor of government funding for Planned Parenthood and he has expressed both support for gun control and complete ignorance of the current gun laws, so he's not going to pull away any Republican voters.

    He has not put forth an agenda on Income inequality, the budget deficit/national debt, union support and police misconduct, so he's not going to be able to develop a connection with the Democrat base.

    His one big issue is something that the majority of Americans do not support.

    LK

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    1. Re:To whom did he really appeal? by AdamHaun · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm shocked at how naive most Slashdotters seem to be about politics. "What? A single-issue gimmick candidate who didn't actually want to be president (until he got laughed at) got shut out of a major public debate? CONSPIRACY!"

      No shit, Sherlock. The DNC isn't a charity; they exist to get people elected. The debates promote the entire party, and they're trying to create a contrast with the Republican clown show. There's little benefit to adding fringe kooks to the debate.

      "He's no more of a kook than anyone else who's running!" Yes he is. How was he planning to get any of his campaign finance reform passed? The House of Representatives will most likely remain in Republican hands until 2020. You can't just dictate policy to the opposition party, especially if they're as corrupt as you claim. (That's assuming you can get your own party to go along!) Overturning Citizens United certainly can't be done with an executive order. The idea that a president can swoop in and save the republic through sheer force of will is a fantasy -- a pleasant fantasy, but a fantasy nonetheless.

      And now that he actually wants to *stay* president, he's even more of a joke. What experience does he have in domestic and foreign policy aside from a handful of pet issues?

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    2. Re:To whom did he really appeal? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      The DNC isn't a charity; they exist to get people elected.

      Not only that but to get people elected who will serve the best interests of the party. Some guy who wants to win to "make a statement" and claimed he will leave office in one year, a time frame in which he can't possibly achieve anything meaningful, isn't the guy to support.

      The debates promote the entire party, and they're trying to create a contrast with the Republican clown show.

      There are plenty of clowns on both sides.

      Trump and Hillary may as well play Entrance of the Gladiators as their theme music when they make public appearances.

      LK

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  25. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by Roodvlees · · Score: 5, Informative

    He raised the money they required. Then they changed the rules to requiring 1% in the polls. He got the required 1% in the polls. Then they changed the rules to require the 1% 6 weeks before the debate... They just keep making up new rules that will shut out just him. They are afraid to lose the ad revenue they get from corruption in politics.

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  26. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by Roodvlees · · Score: 0

    Also you seem to be fine with the idea that a presidential election should be about popularity, not the quality of your plans.

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  27. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Yeah, people with a brain would have a potential exit from Mrs. Bill.

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  28. Typical Harvard Professor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Lives in his little ivory tower, dreaming of schemes that fir his view of an ideal world, while living off of the single most evil form of financing available in the US - The Obama-era student loan. These student loans, thanks to the takeover by Mr Obama, are:

    1. Designed to grow to make it so any kid can afford tuition no matter how much the evil elites inflate the price tag way beyond the rate of inflation. In other words: there's no economy-driven limit to how high the prices can get jacked for the exact same diploma.

    2. Replacements for all private student loans. You used to be able to get loans from places called "banks" that make loans. Now, as in anything taken-over by government, there's no evil businesses trying to make a profit and students are left to happily rest in the loving arms of the federal government monopoly, from which there is no escape.

    3. The one form of loan that cannot be escaped via bankruptcy. The kids taking-out these massive loans to stuff the wallet of Mr. Lessig and his buddies are going to be paying for the rest of their lives.... and as part of the new budget deal between Obama, Reid, Pelosi, McConnell and Bonehead, the old limits of loan sharks using robo-calling to hassle people over student loans have been eliminated. Hooray for the folks sucking-up all the cash for the universities!!! Hope you Lessig fans with college loans like robocalls!!! That new 2-year budget deal will and all deals between congress and Obama, since he never actually wants to negotiate and it eliminates all their leverage, so dream-on if you think some cool new bill will sail-through into law to "fix this"

    Lessing is an evil troll who lives off of stupid young people too gullible to know better.

    1. Re:Typical Harvard Professor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In terms of pure greed, college administrators make the banksters look like Mother Teresa.

    2. Re:Typical Harvard Professor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mother Teresa should better be known as Monster Teresa. She manages to make banksters and college administrators look like fucking saints.

      In praising Jesus for the pain her victims/patients were suffering with because she refused strong pain medication even for the terminally ill, she was more of a monster like Jeffrey Dahmer than the simple greed of bankers and college administrators.

      Being compared with Monster Teresa is not a good thing. And in her own words:

      "I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people."

  29. Unclear Rules by mentil · · Score: 2

    Lessig's campaign asked the DNC for clarity on the rule, and they kept waffling back and forth on whether it requires 1% in the polls >6 weeks before the debate, or 6 weeks before the debate. I have a feeling that noone at the DNC actually knows which it is, explaining the conflicting answers; the 'rule' is probably only there for show, and never actually critically applied; it is simply 'known' which candidates have enough buzz, and those are the ones that make it to the debate.

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    1. Re:Unclear Rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The debate schedule is heavily rigged in favor of Clinton. there's a reason it hasn't been altered even with all the call for more debates from preeminent figures of the democratic party, Debbie Wasserman Schultz who's in charge of that was one of clintons campaign co-chairs in 2007.

  30. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by Etherwalk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is the Democrat Party we are talking about. The coronation of Hillary for 2016 was decided years ago.

    No, his main problem was nobody knew who the fuck he was outside of a few nerds.

    This guy was less prepared to run a presidential campaign than that fucking idiot Rick Perry. And that makes him a bigger idiot than Rick Perry--now there's an accomplishment.

    It doesn't matter how prepared he is. Because the Clintons have the party establishment tied up, Dems have no viable candidates this year other than her, and she has a lot of legacy antipathy that will make the general election harder for her. Bernie's okay, but I figure he basically was allowed to run because he was too crazy a prospect to be a real threat to the Clinton machine.

  31. "No Lessigs!" by Mats+Svensson · · Score: 1

    Why didn't he read the sign on the side of the tree-house?

  32. He's absolutely delusional by evilviper · · Score: 1

    Reading his statements, it's clear he was absolutely DELUSIONAL about the effort and skills required to do what he claimed he would do... even worse than Donald Trump.

    Go through the comments that followed his recent article in The Atlantic (don't bother reading his statement). Everybody but him (and I maybe TWO random commentators) could see how glaringly irrational and fraught with obvious flaws his whole idea was:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/pol...

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    1. Re:He's absolutely delusional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On top of that, if elected he would make the US rudderless with no strong leader (no leader at all?). That's very bad considering that state of things.

    2. Re:He's absolutely delusional by jfengel · · Score: 1

      I've been finding this rather disconcerting. He wants to reform a system he doesn't even begin to understand.

      That's not to say the system is great; it sucks, and it could use a lot of novel ideas. But I have a hard time believing that useful ideas are going to come from somebody who just plain misunderstands the present state of things. It just doesn't fill me with confidence that the new ideas are anything other than armchair ranting. He sounds little better than the Tea Party: his ideas are less repugnant, but he seems more incensed about the imagined flaws in the system than the real ones.

  33. America's 2 party system fails again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If there were not such thing as political affiliations and people ran as people, we wouldn't have this problem.

  34. For the Democrooks, 'first post' is child play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Them Democrooks already have Hillary as their queen and no one is to be allowed to jeopardize their queen's chance to become the next POTUS

    Pity that Harvard Professor - obviously he does not understand that powerful beast which the Democrooks have raised

    1. Re: For the Democrooks, 'first post' is child play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would love to see Lessig and Nader run for the Green party nomination.

    2. Re: For the Democrooks, 'first post' is child play by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Lol. ROFL. How hard and long has your gop been trying to get trump out? Had he not been number 1, he would not be in the debates. And fiorina had to shame you criminals to get on the floor. No doubt carsen made it only because he is black and so many of you are hiding your white hoods.

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    3. Re: For the Democrooks, 'first post' is child play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Green party can't even spell 'science', which makes them worse than the Republicans. At the least the latter don't claim they can!

  35. Let's be honest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neither the Democrats nor Republicans have anything to offer; which is why I
    believe Trump will earn both the nomination and the presidency. This is not a joke.

    Let's face it -- H.C. is amoral and believes that she can do things with impunity like
    G. W. (both of them). J.B. wants us to believe he's no G.W., but is directly responsible
    for tainting the election to ensure G.W won the second term (the "other" guy wasn't
    much better).

    Trump, at least, for all of the negative, has character, backbone, and is too arrogant to lie.
    No one can reverse the damage done since (insert your favorite point in time), but I feel
    many believe Trump will stop the slide into Hell this country has begun to take.

    CAP === 'neighbor'

    1. Re:Let's be honest... by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      Neither the Democrats nor Republicans have anything to offer; which is why I believe Trump will earn both the nomination and the presidency. This is not a joke.

      I don't know about that. Women are predominantly going to vote for Hilary. I don't think you realize the vitriol that many women have for Mr. Trump. My own mom surprised me by calling him an "asshole" when his face popped up on TV. Minorities are not going to vote for him due to his views on immigration.

      Trump, at least, for all of the negative, has character, backbone, and is too arrogant to lie.

      Let's just agree to disagree on that. The lying, not the arrogance.

    2. Re:Let's be honest... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Economically, the group most hurt by immigration is the blacks. Rationally, they should be supporting Trump.

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  36. By not be able to convince the party ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    ... If he can't convince his own party to put him in a debate, how would he do at convincing congress and senate to support his policies as president? ...

    By not be able to convince the Democrooks Mr. Lessig already showed the world how corrupt that political party really is

    On the other hand, if the Democrooks let Mr. Lessig progress all the way, smooth sailing style, how is the world going to know what those special interest groups inside the Democrook camp is afraid of?

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    1. Re:By not be able to convince the party ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do you understand that replacing nouns with silly versions, like "Democrooks" not only does not advance your argument, but actually makes you look incredibly childish and ignorant? For the record, this applies to all sides (Democrooks, Republicrooks, Crapple fans, Micro$oft fans, etc). Now run along and let the grown-ups talk.

    2. Re:By not be able to convince the party ... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      "Grown-ups" don't post as AC.

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  37. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by demonlapin · · Score: 0, Troll

    Biden could probably have pulled it off, but my take on that is that the Clintons still have the best oppo research team, and they found some really juicy dirt on ole Joe. Dead girl, live boy, something like that. Maybe the Obama camp knows there are some chickens coming home to roost and they're happy to let a Clinton or an R be the fall guy, but otherwise I don't see them rolling over that easily.

  38. The Democrats are looking at by wiredog · · Score: 1

    the Republican Clown Cars or recent elections and are working hard to eliminate non-serious candidates who have zero chance.

    I wonder how President Lessig would react to a terrorist attack in the US? How would he cope with Russia, China, and the Middle East in general? What were his plans for spending and funding? Did he even give any thought to that?

    Did he ever consider that he might be faced with responding to a nuclear attack, and the standard US response to such a thing?

    1. Re:The Democrats are looking at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are working hard to eliminate non-serious candidates

      Why is Hillary leading their nomination than? She lied to the public about a movie causing the death of Ambassador Stevens, that was proven last Thursday. She lied about 10 times about her email server, and still claims there is nothing that needed to even be hidden. She collected around $300 million in foreign bribes while secretary of state, and also lied to the public about collecting foreign donation while secretary.

      They are not trying to eliminate non-serious candidates. They are attempting to elect the most corrupt person who has ever set foot in DC and is willing to steal millions, or billions, from hard working tax payers to give to the DNC, just like Obama did with his "stimulus" of a trillion dollars that you didn't see a cent of but the DNC made out like bandits. Remember Solyendra?

      DNC = take money from middle-class for themselves.

    2. Re:The Democrats are looking at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Republican Clown Cars

      This narrative parroted about. You know, just spare us the bits and start using the term RCC for short FFS!

    3. Re:The Democrats are looking at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I wonder how President Lessig would react to a terrorist attack in the US?

      He probably wouldn't blame a YouTube video...

  39. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by supremebob · · Score: 1

    If a candidate can't sustain at least 1% in the polls for six weeks, then they aren't a serious contender anyway.

  40. Actually, it's simpler than that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't want any discussion or policy promises to get money out of politics because the majority of that slush money goes to the media companies for political adverts on the TV.

    If they let Lessig in, "Get money out of politics" becomes a way to make people vote for you. And that means less money for the media corporations.

  41. He also garnered more than 1% of the vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    In one poll, he needed to garner more than 1% in three, but after winning that margin in one poll, they took his name off the next polls.

    Because then they could cite the rules about needing to poll to refuse him a seat.

    Meanwhile, how many republican nominees did they let in, even on the same damn channels..?

    1. Re:He also garnered more than 1% of the vote by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Well, clown cars do get funnier the more clowns you stuff into them.. hence allowing everybody who even smelled like a republican candidate a chance to get in.

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  42. How do you sustain 1% in the polls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    when they refuse to put your name in the polls? That's what they did.

    Shutting Lessig out was to stop the idea that money should be taken out of politics, because most of that money goes to the media organisations. Letting Lessig in would cut their revenue significantly.

    Remember, this is an industry that wants to get skipping adverts made illegal because it might hurt their profits, and CEOs claim it is "stealing from the company" not to watch the adverts.

    You don't think they'd make up rules to save the billions they get from political ad campaigns??

  43. so what method does he propose? by supernova87a · · Score: 1

    Lessig didn't even make the top 7 of the list of potential Democratic candidates. If anyone has a claim that they've been unfairly removed from the candidacy, it's the candidate at #4 or 5 who didn't get included in the debate -- yet no such claim has been made by any of those others.

    *Some* method has to be used to gradually reduce the list of people to debate. What does Lessig propose? He could not even gather the support for that. Is that the fault of the process, or him?

  44. "It's Her Turn!" by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Just like with Bob Dole, in his day, it's Hillary's turn this time.

  45. A claim based on heavy editing by the media. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They cut out 90% of Bernie's speech to be only the bit about "Stop with the Bengazi...Young people don't care about that", removing all the bit about "What we need to talk about are issues that mean something to the people of America, the young people of America, like schooling, healthcare, university".

    (Quoting is not an accurate recount of the statement, merely concordant with the meaning of the content)

    So of COURSE you're going to think he's soft on Hilary.

    THAT'S WHY HIS SPEECH WAS CUT.

    Those who don't want her now won't vote for Bernie, because they think he's too soft on her.

    Those who like Hilary won't vote for Bernie because they'll be voting Hilary.

    And nobody now knows what Bernie's wishes were, to converse about something other than Bengazi, because they edited out anything that wasn't about Bengazi.

  46. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, don't call Rick Perry an idiot... isn't he the only Republican candidate so far with low numbers who actually dropped out of the race? That makes him a lot smarter than ten or so of the ones still running!

  47. Not a real Democrat by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1
    It's worth mentioning that Lessig's goals are NOT the goals of the Democratic Party. Democrats claim to be in favor of "More 'good speech' is the counter to 'bad speech.' The government shouldn't be stopping people from speaking 'bad speech.'" This is a pretty popular position; it's also the stated position of the Republican party.

    Lessg's key issue is imposing stricter government restrictions on speech. The party elites don't support his plan, the rank and file don't support his plan, and the broad electorate doesn't support his plan.

    It's no wonder those guys don't want Lessig as their candidate.

  48. Too Easily Discouraged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are other ways to get a message out to the people than the broadcast media or the debates. Remember the downfall of SOPA? He should have stuck to his guns.

    The level of resignation that I read in the comments here is interesting. That the Democrats play dirty should come as no surprise to anyone; they are no more ethical than their counterparts in the Republican party, and if they ever were, it was an attribute quickly lost. Right now we let both sides get away with murder, but the reason the Democrats quashed this candidacy is because they were afraid enough people would be convinced to vote for him and so upset their chance to remain in power. The politicians still fear the voters. And they should. Because if we ever get off of our behinds, we can actually do something about the government that we find so unsatisfactory. What would motivate us enough, I wonder?

  49. He was a trivial, one-issue campaigner by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    He had the bully pulpit to be a centrist, and a single issue that's of importance to thinking individuals on BOTH sides of the political fence who are getting tired of the Hobson's Choice of the two-ever-more radicalized party establishments. There is a mass of people on the right who are conservative, and who want nothing to do with the right-wing activists that have taken over the GOP. There is (I'd guess) a similar mass on the left, probably quieter as they've held the presidency for 2 terms. But these people are ready for a credible 3rd way.

    Unfortunately, on the rest of his issues he was your garden-variety, quasi-socialist academic liberal meaning as a NATIONAL CANDIDATE he was worthless.

    The fact that he thought raising $1 million was meaningful was laughably pathetic, and only exposed how completely naive he was about the scope of what he was attempting.

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  50. Wrong way to protest by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    He should have declared a hunger strike; a fitting contrast to the rapacious greed he is fighting against.

    Westerners don't use this tool nearly enough which is ironic, given that most Americans could last quite awhile before succumbing to starvation.

  51. Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He is a guy running on the single issue of censorship of political speech, while complaining he is being censored from being able to speak at DNC events.

    Sounds like an ivory tower idiot.

  52. Good riddance! by Jay+Maynard · · Score: 1

    Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, Professor. The last thing we need in a president is an anti-First Amendment fanatic.

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    1. Re:Good riddance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > anti-First Amendment

      Dear Troll,

      Care to provide a link where My Lessig said he is against the first amendment?

      If you are saying the "money is speech", BS, That was in no way the intent of first amendment.

  53. He wasn't serious about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It was just more grandstanding and self-promotion from one of the biggest narcissists to walk the face of Earth.

  54. Michael Medved by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

    I bring this up occasionally -- get on the Michael Medved Radio Show. Medved is a nationally-syndicated, conservative, radio talk show host who invites debate and frequently has guests with opposing viewpoints. He is very polite to his guests and callers, so Lessig would definitely be allowed to make his points. This is an area of frequent discussion on the Medved show, so I'm sure that he'd be interested in having Lessig as a guest.

    1. Re:Michael Medved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the debate rules set in place by Hillarys campaign co-chair in 2007 state that if you try to debate outside of the official debates you get kicked out of the official debate platform.

    2. Re:Michael Medved by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

      That's okay - I'm talking about what Lessig should do now in order to promote his agenda. Also, I doubt that a radio interview would hardly qualify as candidate debate, since there would only be one candidate present.

  55. Larry Lessig a fame whore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never liked that guy from day one when he hitched his professorial cart to the Free Software movement hoping to reach academic rockstar status. I guess it worked, but he's still a scumbag.

  56. The system is broken by erp_consultant · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is what happens to all candidates that don't have strong poling numbers. They get shut out of the debates. They get hardly any questions at all. I thought this was supposed to be a democracy? I think that all candidates should get equal time in the debates. Give them all x number of minutes to make their case to the American voters. Without moderators jumping in or getting cut off by other candidates. Every time a candidate jumps in take a minute of time away from their talking time.

    The current format is a circus. Nothing more than name calling and gotcha questions. Let's find out what they really have to say and let them stand or fall on their own merits.

    1. Re:The system is broken by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      I've always thought the only criteria for debates should be ballot eligibility.

    2. Re:The system is broken by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The debates are intended as a way to help choose a candidate. Since Lessig has no chance of being nominated, and would make a terrible President, he doesn't belong there.

      Lessig wanted to be in the debate so he could spread his message, but that's not what the debates are about.

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  57. Re:Lessig is like a white guy in a pro boxing matc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Are you stuck in the Cold War, bro? Whites have completely dominated boxing in the 21st century. Lazy, fat, African-Americans can't even come close to competing on the same level as the disciplined and well trained fighters coming out of Eastern Europe. All those black "stars" in the 70s never had to fight against anyone from the Soviet Bloc. They would barely be top ten if they had to compete against the whole world and not just other untalented African-Americans.

  58. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If that is your only argument, you've already lost. Because assuming that Roodvlees is telling the truth, the problem isn't that he couldn't sustain 1% for six weeks, the problem is that the dems invented that requirement as soon as they realized he met all existing requirements.

  59. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    If the biased media unfairly refuses to acknowledge the candidate exists, how's he supposed to get the poll numbers?

    Lessig lost because the media pre-ordained it, simple as that. It's the same reason Bernie Sanders will lose: the media categorically refuses to acknowledge him as a serious candidate despite the fact that he's been polling above HRC at least part of the time!

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  60. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because the Clintons have the party establishment tied up, Dems have no viable candidates this year other than her

    Never mind that Sanders has been polling above Clinton at least part of the time, he's not "viable" because "reasons."

    Of course, the only reason people believe Sanders is "crazy" is because the media keeps claiming so, but that's a total lie -- in reality, Sanders' positions are completely reasonable and moderate.

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  61. Re:"No Lessigs!" -- Plural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was there already one Lessig in the tree-house?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbXjt_ZlVOE

  62. Debates are for idiots... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Its unfortunate that so many of us do not see the folly of having debates in the first place. They are only useful if you are trying to figure out who is best at lying, manipulation, coming up with cleverly worded jabs at the opponents, and telling people what they want to hear. I wish that the energy that campaigns put into debates and television would transfer to the online space where they would be forced to describe their platforms in writing and where they could be analysed and weighed for completeness and logic.

    1. Re:Debates are for idiots... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Debates can weed out people who can't respond quickly with at least a semblance of intelligence. (Biden in 2012 is an exception.) Your suggestion would lead to teams of writers assembling platforms.

      A President is more effective if he can speak effectively, and a debate is one place to showcase effective speaking.

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  63. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by slashdice · · Score: 1

    Scott Walker also dropped out.

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  64. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    If that was truly the case, then there was no point in trying to stop him... Somehow, he scared the Democrats' brass.

    Oh, that's just like the folks saying that Democrats were scared of Sarah Palin. I'm no Democrat, but wasn't anyone afraid of her, we just liked to have her around to laugh at.

    You can't let everyone in on national debates, it just isn't practical. Even the present day overstaffed Republican debates are plain weird - at one time they were pretty funny to watch, now it just seems like people bragging about how long they've cheated on not taking their Thorazine. I suspect those will change as well - probably held in secret, as they are starting to ban networks. Hint - if you won't use Fox News any more, maybe the problem is with you.

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  65. Circular logic by s.petry · · Score: 2

    A candidate needs 1% to be in a debate, but can't get any national coverage because they are not in the debate.

    That is such an obvious logic problem you have to hurt yourself in order to avoid it. We have not even gotten to the point of being over a year before the election. You know how we keep hearing that "it's a long time until election day and Trump and Carson could still lose the nomination"? Well the wey to prevent that would be to omit people from the discussion to begin with.

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  66. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by Yunzil · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter how prepared he is.

    Yes, because nobody knew who the fuck he was outside of a few nerds.

  67. Re:Lessig is like a white guy in a pro boxing matc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While your basic premise for the 21st century is correct, your 1970s example fails.

    Cassius Clay won Olympic Gold (as a light heavyweight) in 1960, against a Pole. Joe Frazier won Gold in 1964 against an East German. George Foreman won Gold in 1968 against a Soviet.

    These were the 70s stars you were taking about.

  68. Re:Lessig is like a white guy in a pro boxing matc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Olympic boxing matches are 3 fucking rounds. Any fat blob can do well for 3 rounds.

  69. What the hell did you expect? by easyTree · · Score: 1

    All involved have "maintain the status quo" as a prime motivation.

    Suck it up and try alternative means to be heard.

  70. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Dems have no viable candidates this year other than her

    While Bernie Sanders is an independent, he does caucus with the Democrats. He's also trying to get the nomination of the Democratic party. You haven't explicitly defined 'viable' here, but I believe Bernie Sanders does indeed satisfy the criteria to be elected President.

    Bernie's okay, but I figure he basically was allowed to run because he was too crazy a prospect to be a real threat to the Clinton machine.

    So you're dismissing his candidacy on emotional grounds? How helpful. If only everyone thought like you -- then maybe, just maybe, we'd have a chance at implementing meaningful change in this country.

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  71. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by Etherwalk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Because the Clintons have the party establishment tied up, Dems have no viable candidates this year other than her

    Never mind that Sanders has been polling above Clinton at least part of the time, he's not "viable" because "reasons."

    Of course, the only reason people believe Sanders is "crazy" is because the media keeps claiming so, but that's a total lie -- in reality, Sanders' positions are completely reasonable and moderate.

    He's not viable because the general election is going to be a whole lot worse for him than the primaries, no matter how he's polling generally now. The attack ads almost write themselves. They do for Hillary too because of how much is anti-Clinton on the right, so neither of them are great for a general, but she's already been through all of them and her general numbers now are the result of that, whereas Bernie will see a hit once the general public has seen more attack aimed at him. Things like "socialist" may not matter as much on the left, but that label alone will cost him points on the right. And some of his lines in debate will kill him on the right. In reality he *might* be a better president than HRC, he'd certainly care about Americans more and try to make better policy changes, although HRC might get more done even though being much less trustworthy, just because she's a good politician. Most of Bernie's more leftist ideas would be blocked by Congress, but he'd probably get some good things done. It's really hard to say who would ultimately be better.

    But either will be better than the Republicans, because the next president gets to appoint major voices to the Supreme Court for the next several decades.

  72. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    Dems have no viable candidates this year other than her

    While Bernie Sanders is an independent, he does caucus with the Democrats. He's also trying to get the nomination of the Democratic party. You haven't explicitly defined 'viable' here, but I believe Bernie Sanders does indeed satisfy the criteria to be elected President.

    Bernie's okay, but I figure he basically was allowed to run because he was too crazy a prospect to be a real threat to the Clinton machine.

    So you're dismissing his candidacy on emotional grounds? How helpful. If only everyone thought like you -- then maybe, just maybe, we'd have a chance at implementing meaningful change in this country.

    I find it unlikely he wins the primary. I'd be happy, I think, if he won the general. I'm not dismissing his candidacy on emotional grounds, I just think that he was allowed to run primarily because somebody decided he didn't pose a threat. Being outside the classic party establishment may also have made it practical.

  73. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by Calydor · · Score: 2

    So you can only get known if you're already known?

    Honey Boo-Boo for President 2020!

    --
    -=This sig has nothing to do with my comment. Move along now=-
  74. Lessig was a waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And nobody still knows who Lessig is.

    A lot more people would have known who he is if he had been allowed into the Democratic Party debates.

    Did he have a chance of winning the Democratic nomination for the upcoming 2016 election? Probably not. Could he win somewhere down the road? I don't know.

    But, to me, what's interesting about this story is that certain people in the Democratic Party really didn't seem to want his message about the corrupting influence of money to be heard. And when you look at all the millions of dollars that the Clintons have been given by dictatorships with terrible records on things like religious freedom and women's rights (e.g. Saudi Arabia), it's not hard to imagine that it wasn't just a few rogue Democratic Party outsiders who wanted Lessig's message to be suppressed.

    Lessig started out his campaign by saying he was going to quit after 1 bill was passed; so the DNC had good reason for changing their rules; they wanted a debate for candidates who were serious about getting elected and didn't want to waste valuable time with joke candidates like Lessig who weren't serious about winning elections.

  75. LL the real O by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

    Lawrence Lessig- the Real Obama.

  76. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If that was truly the case, then there was no point in trying to stop him... Somehow, he scared the Democrats' brass.

    Stop him from what? Wasting people's time? Because that's all he was doing.

    Nobody was afraid of him; there was nothing to be afraid of.

    You want to know which candidate the brass is afraid of? Bernie.

  77. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Biden could probably have pulled it off, but my take on that is that the Clintons still have the best oppo research team, and they found some really juicy dirt on ole Joe. [...] otherwise I don't see them rolling over that easily.

    Biden tried and failed to get his party's nomination TWICE already. In this business, the third time isn't the charm, and two strikes is out. His 2008 campaign was effectively over just moments after it started, as he unloaded a half-dozen controversial statements about his opponents that went viral, and never recovered.

    His continued poorly-considered statements after becoming Vice President prove he hasn't learned anything, and any Biden campaign is going to be peppered with video of him telling the viewer to "Get a shotgun" followed by usage tips which would get anyone else arrested for negligent discharge of a firearm. Combine that with his advanced age and recently-deceased son, and it's obvious why he wouldn't and even shouldn't run, without resorting to crazy theories.

    Maybe the Obama camp knows there are some chickens coming home to roost and they're happy to let a Clinton or an R be the fall guy

    There's no major animosity between Obama and Clinton that would cause either to set-up the other for failure. Clinton was a close second in the 2008 primaries, far ahead of Biden, and the obvious presumptive nominee next time around.

    And just because Biden was Obama's choice for VP doesn't indicate any particular preference or connection. VPs are generally chosen to fill-in and balance out voting blocks, not because the administration has any particular preference for them. In fact quite the opposite (disdain and animosity towards their chosen VPs) seems to be more common.

    --
    Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
  78. Any good candidates left? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh well, guess I'll go back to my original choice:

    Snowden for President!

  79. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

    1. Re: Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, shut the fuck up, you Fuckhead.

  80. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  81. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  82. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  83. Im sorry I thought this was /. not CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DHI at it again...

    How does Mr. Lessig's adventures coinside with News for nerdz?

    no wonder /. is up for sale again..

    Whats even more shameful, that people like me whom have enjoyed the content on here for many years, have to suffer under the heavy hand of ignorance, stupidity, and clear dis-regard to the community that it attempts to service..

  84. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  85. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  86. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  87. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  88. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  89. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  90. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  91. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

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    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

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    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  92. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not like the Democratic party called him up and gave him permission to run. He declared his candidacy and then quickly and effectively put out a message that the majority of the country agrees with in a way that caused a lot of people to start talking about him. He forced his way into the Democratic contest, he was not "allowed" in. If they would have tried to push him away then there either would have been a lot of people asking questions about why some candidates aren't allowed to debate (which neither party wants to answer), or he would just run as an independent.

    He wasn't "allowed" to run, he made it happen because people agree with his message. The reason why there is so much doubt around his candidacy is because the media and the parties keep telling the public that he is a fringe candidate. He's not fringe, he's mainstream. The media is trying to push fringe candidates like Clinton and Trump/Rubio/Cruz on people and call them mainstream, but the polls show that the majority of the country supports Sanders when people aren't being shoved loaded terms like "socialism", where they think it means something that it doesn't. You can see that in polls where people say that they agree with Sanders' positions, and also that they wouldn't vote for a socialist. The media is controlling the dialog, which is why you think Sanders is a fringe candidate or does not have a realistic chance at getting elected.

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    "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
  93. No, he's an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually they kept him out because of how sharp he is. Afraid he would reveal how corrupt they are and the whole system is. Or are you saying he should never have tried something because it might not work?

    No, they kept him out because he is a fucking idiot. His statement on day 1 of his alleged campaign, (I say alleged because I'm not convinced he was serious), about resigning after getting a single bill passed not only showed that he was a fucking idiot, but also made him unelectable.

    And just to explain why that was so stupid, because you seem both ignorant and gullible: You don't apply for a job while stating that you are going to quit because you don't want to deal with the responsibility. The POTUS has hell of a lot more responsibility than simply passing one fucking law, that would probably get shot down by the SCROTUS even if he did manage to pass it. And yet here we have a jackass who is publicly stating that he doesn't want to do the fucking job before he even got it.

    Section 2.

    The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

    He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

    The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.

    Section 3.

    He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.

    Yes, the man is an idiot because he publicly stated that he didn't want to do his damn job after getting it.

  94. Re:Real problem: Pollsters are corrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the polls won't sustain a candidate at least for six weeks, then the polls aren't a serious contender for information anyway.

    The pollsters changed the rules when Lessig got more than 1% in the polls, the pollsters then removed Lessig from the polls.

  95. I want Lessig to *lead* NOT be President! by PurplePhase · · Score: 2

    The U.S. political system would have to be completely overhauled in order for one person to make a difference. Especially as President. If someone actually did a study on the mechanics of our 3 branches of government and the usefulness of them, I'd guess every positive change is matched by at least 10 parts obvious corruption, and who knows how much unadvertised corruption.

    I don't want Lessig to waste his time in that clusterfuck because I think he's too good of a guy and doing too much good from an outside perspective. I think the best thing for the Republicans is that the Dems make him the president - and absolutely nothing would get done for 4 years, at least until there was an anti-American impeachment hearing. The only thing he might have direct influence over *might* be Executive Directives, and they'd get put right back in after they shoved him out (if anyone ever stopped following the current ones).

    In "The Day the Earth Stood Still" (2008) Jennifer Connelly's character said (approx): "Leaders? [The President and the UN] aren't our leaders - I'll take you to one" and she takes him to a Nobel Prize winner in "cooperative biology" - a brilliant, thoughtful person.

    Exactly.

    Lessig is more than just a thoughtful person, and rather than seeing him get beat down by the political system - ESPECIALLY if he were to win the Presidency! - I hope he continues making more and more of a difference as a professor, private citizen, and activist.

    Best of everything to you, sir!

  96. Re:Is this still a thing? by meerling · · Score: 1

    Only the dumb ones.

  97. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in reality, Sanders' positions are completely reasonable and moderate.

    Uh, this is the U.S.A. "moderate" is almost worse than "liberal". The only candidates with suitable voter appeal are between far right and far far far right in the political spectrum.

  98. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    It's not like the Democratic party called him up and gave him permission to run.

    It's a democratic primary. If the party really didn't want him to run, he wouldn't be running. They would change debate rules to keep him out and deny him access to anyone of significance in the party at any level, local, state, or federal. They would kill his media coverage more than they have. Everyone in the party would get the message that if they went within ten feet of this guy they would be bucking the party establishment and would not have party support come reelection time. That's how major political parties work. They are engines of political control, not of democracy.

  99. Wrong again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And nobody still knows who Lessig is.

    Nobody knew who Ben Carson was before either, but they do now.

    Except you are wrong, because you're omitting all those appearances he was making on Fox News as a pundit.

    Even I knew who that jackass was before his campaign, and I don't watch Faux News.

  100. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by LessThanObvious · · Score: 1

    This is to me the fundamental flaw in America's notion of democracy. We have all these guards at the gates to filter out who is allowed to have a legitimate shot at being considered for office. The blame lands on both the party leadership on both sides and with the news media. They all conspire to maintain control and to make sure the American people do not truly have free will in the election choices. I really hope the day comes soon that the American people stand up and demand more than the illusion of choice. I hope we stand up and demand more than our pick of the rubber stamped celebrity politicians who have enough name recognition to walk in with good poll numbers before the race has even begun. I'd like to see the news media try some actual journalism and show us the details of the relevant candidates rather than just shoveling more from the constant flow of pseudo news of the life and times of the most interesting celebrity candidates.

  101. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by rsborg · · Score: 1

    Because the Clintons have the party establishment tied up, Dems have no viable candidates this year other than her

    Never mind that Sanders has been polling above Clinton at least part of the time, he's not "viable" because "reasons."

    Of course, the only reason people believe Sanders is "crazy" is because the media keeps claiming so, but that's a total lie -- in reality, Sanders' positions are completely reasonable and moderate.

    Sanders is not viable to the oligarchs. And that's who runs the country now. We peasants and bourgeois need to get back in our places, and let the two faces of the single party rule.

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    Make sure everyone's vote counts: Verified Voting
  102. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

    They would change debate rules to keep him out and deny him access to anyone of significance in the party at any level, local, state, or federal.

    ...and then all of the supporters that he has been very effective in attracting would be asking questions that the DNC and the RNC do not want to answer. It would be very bad for the DNC to deny him access to the primary. Once he started spreading his message so effectively, and people started listening, then he ensured that he would have a place at the table. The DNC didn't help him get his message out, either, that was all his campaign. The DNC has opted out of putting up their own tables outside of his rallies to sign up voters, because those voters would just vote for Sanders. Think about that one for a second.

    They would kill his media coverage more than they have.

    "More than they have?" His campaign has survived and prospered despite, not because of, media coverage. He has never had good coverage. The media shows him as being fringe. You could see it in the first debate. The "political insiders", talking heads, networks, etc all declared Hillary the winner. The focus groups on both CNN and Fox, as well as data from Google, Facebook, Twitter, and any number of online polls, all suggested that Sanders had won. The media has been pushing the Clinton narrative since day 1, and Sanders has survived despite the media following the DNC plan, not because of any DNC support.

    Everyone in the party would get the message that if they went within ten feet of this guy they would be bucking the party establishment and would not have party support come reelection time.

    Which is probably why he has only 1 endorsement from Congress.

    That's how major political parties work. They are engines of political control, not of democracy.

    No shit.

    The DNC missed their chance by killing his campaign before it started. Once his message was out and people were paying attention it was too late. They can't put the genie back in the bottle at this point. They, like everyone else, underestimated the appeal of his message.

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    "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
  103. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by demonlapin · · Score: 1

    Didn't stop ol' Jeb from trying, and hell, there's always the example of Nixon. As for the Clinton vs Obama camps, do you really think she was happy with the SoS nod after Obama found the weakness in the caucus system and used it to take what would, definitely, have been Her Election? Obama was the only reason that was even a contest; Hillary would have slaughtered McCain, not just beat him. He could have been the 2016 nominee, and in all likelihood would have been a better and more effective president if he'd spent another eight years learning how Washington works (although eight years in the governorship would have been even better, except for Illinois governors' unpleasant tendency to end up in federal prison).

    Look, maybe you know some people on the DNC, and I sure don't. But that's how it looks out here in flyover country.

  104. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by supremebob · · Score: 1

    They're only asking for 1% of voters, though. I'll bet that you could get "None Of The Above" to poll well above 1% for a few weeks if you had decent write-in social media campaign.

  105. agree, obviously, assuming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    assuming you meant investment bankers (the Wall St sort who are rich and help other rich people get more rich without ANY of them doing a single productive thing), rather than regular bankers (the small town sort who financed houses, cars, local businesses and farms etc and helped build the country).

    This does, however, fall into the category of distracting from one person's bad behavior by pointing to somebody else who is doing worse - something most of our mothers taught us not to do (smile)

  106. Re: For the Democrooks, 'first post' is child pla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The republocrats might have enough ammunition due to Nader's age

    If we made him king with his two first ministers being lessig and sanders, that is a thought and something to hope for!

  107. Re:Real problem: He's an idiot by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

    This is the Democrat Party we are talking about. The coronation of Hillary for 2016 was decided years ago.

    No, his main problem was nobody knew who the fuck he was outside of a few nerds.

    This guy was less prepared to run a presidential campaign than that fucking idiot Rick Perry. And that makes him a bigger idiot than Rick Perry--now there's an accomplishment.

    It doesn't matter how prepared he is. Because the Clintons have the party establishment tied up, Dems have no viable candidates this year other than her, and she has a lot of legacy antipathy that will make the general election harder for her. Bernie's okay, but I figure he basically was allowed to run because he was too crazy a prospect to be a real threat to the Clinton machine.

    For the first time in 10 years, I feel that the Democrats will not elect a president. Hillary is not a shoe-in.

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    Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
  108. super delegates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    choice in the democrat party is fiction anyways because of the "super" delegates