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3D Printed Objects Found Toxic To Fish Embryos (universityofcalifornia.edu)

itwbennett writes: Researchers at the University of California, Riverside have found that the parts of two common types of 3D printers are toxic to zebrafish embryos. The researchers made this discovery accidentally when a graduate student whose work involves developing tools for studying zebrafish embryos "noticed that zebrafish embryos die after exposure to parts from the 3-D printer." According to the report, "While the embryos exposed to parts from the plastic-melting printer had slightly decreased average survival rates compared to control embryos, the embryos exposed to parts from the liquid-resin printer had significantly decreased survival rates, with more than half of the embryos dead by day three and all dead by day seven. And of the few zebrafish embryos that hatched after exposure to parts from the liquid-resin printer, 100 percent of the hatchlings had developmental abnormalities."

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  1. Duh! by jbeaupre · · Score: 5, Informative

    The photopolymer resins are usually UV cured. They contain chemicals that spit out free radicals to initiate polymerization. And you don't get a 100% cure.

    The paranoid in me wore double gloves when handling parts with liquid resin. Newer stuff might be safer. But the stuff I used was gene scrambling goo in my mind.

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    1. Re:Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what they figured as well in the paper the published:

      If monomers or short-chain polymers are indeed leaching out of STL-printed parts, additional photoinduced polymerization of the 3D-printed part might reduce the amount of these species leaching out of the printed part and thus reduce the toxicity of the part. To test this hypothesis, we exposed STL- printed parts to ultraviolet light ...this UV exposure treatment has a minimal effect on the appearance of the 3D- printed part. Embryos exposed to STL-printed parts that were UV-treated fared much better than embryos exposed to untreated parts

      I guess the lesson here is don't stick stuff in your fish tank if you're not certain it's biocompatible...

    2. Re:Duh! by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Those liquid resins are harmless unless they're used in 3D printing, hence the headline. Also, non-liquid-resin 3D printing will cause birth defects in pregnant women.

    3. Re:Duh! by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      FTFA, She used each printer to create disc-shaped parts, about an inch in diameter. Then she placed the discs in petri dishes with zebrafish embryos and studied survival rates and hatch rates and monitored for developmental abnormalities.

      It doesn't say in TFA, but did the petri dishes have water in them also? That could explain a lot about the fishes survival rates.

    4. Re:Duh! by He+Who+Has+No+Name · · Score: 2

      "Also, non-liquid-resin 3D printing will cause birth defects in pregnant women."

      What specifically are you referring to here, ABS / PLA filament (FDM) printers and printed parts, or cured photopolymer resin parts?

      Also, citation?

    5. Re:Duh! by Triklyn · · Score: 2

      I'd also like a citation, but don't think he really needs a citation to warn caution.

      development is super finicky and super-conserved evolutionarily.

      I would imagine it would be the best course for any pregnant women to take extreme care until they do more studying.

      if animal trials are good enough for us to label things carginogens, a 100 percent developmental disability rate should be warning sign enough.

    6. Re:Duh! by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      i'm just going to assume yes since some of them hatched.

    7. Re:Duh! by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      "3D Printed Objects", obviously. Did you not read the headline?

    8. Re:Duh! by He+Who+Has+No+Name · · Score: 1

      I'm looking for two things: clarification of his sentence structure, and more detailed documentation on the birth defects he's talking about - exposure values, developmental windows during exposure, type of defects, as much data as he can cite.

      I have a wife who is seven months pregnant and a 3D printer that mostly runs ABS. You do the math about why I'm digging for detailed info.

    9. Re:Duh! by kelemvor4 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm looking for two things: clarification of his sentence structure, and more detailed documentation on the birth defects he's talking about - exposure values, developmental windows during exposure, type of defects, as much data as he can cite.

      I have a wife who is seven months pregnant and a 3D printer that mostly runs ABS. You do the math about why I'm digging for detailed info.

      Keep your parts away from that woman!

    10. Re:Duh! by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      So... important safety tip everyone: do not use a 3D-printed dildo while pregnant until further notice ?

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    11. Re:Duh! by Triklyn · · Score: 2

      i'd say go full quarantine on that for the remaining 2 months regardless. If it's a hobby.

      if you're not able to put it on ice for a couple of months, leave it at work, and go full hazmat. gloves, mask, shower, the works.

      brain development continues for like half a decade too. but that should be less risky.

    12. Re:Duh! by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

      I wonder how large the difference is between 3D printer resin and the stuff my dentist uses - especially since the UV exposure time for dental resin seems really short. Mercury amalgam fillings are probably bad for health, but maybe resin fillings aren't a whole lot better.

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    13. Re:Duh! by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Well, Riverside is a desert community. It's a mistake that anyone from Riverside could have made.

    14. Re:Duh! by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      that community name is just cruel then

    15. Re:Duh! by He+Who+Has+No+Name · · Score: 3, Funny

      I do believe we've already established, in several ways, that it's a bit late for that...

    16. Re:Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, having been born in Riverside, CA, I will say that there is a river that runs through it, and it's not really a desert city.

      Of course, the river is dry about 350 days a year, so maybe I'm taking offense where it's not justified.

    17. Re:Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting considering the recent story about hospitals putting in 3D printers.

    18. Re:Duh! by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Riverside is right next to a fairly decent-sized river in the Jurupa Valley. It is the upstream diversion and such that makes it so that the river isn't constantly a flood plain.

      Lots of gold to find out there. I've gotten plenty from just working black sands directly in the Santa Ana River.

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    19. Re:Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then bury yourself in it. Might as well since apk bitched slapped your ass down again for the 100th time http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    20. Re:Duh! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      The paranoid in me wore double gloves when handling parts with liquid resin.

      That's not paranoid. Paranoia is an irrational fear. Your concerns are rational. You may be overreacting a little, but that's probably safer than under-reacting. I use double gloves for hydrofluoric acid, but not for general organics.

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  2. ABS releases cyanide when heated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And cyanide is liquid at room temperature. Even a tiny (parts per million) amount of HCN would be enough to mess with developing embryos of anything, let alone extremely sensitive tropical fish.

    1. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by psergiu · · Score: 4, Funny

      So ... bad news for all the geeks that 3D printed their beverage cups ?

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    2. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      What kind of cyanide does it release? Potassium cyanide is solid at room temperature. And my room is 80F most times of the year, so hydrogen cyanide would be a gas.

    3. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      They are not too likely to reproduce anyway.

    4. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by jabuzz · · Score: 5, Informative

      You need food grade plastics to print items that are going to be used in the preparation and consumption of food. As far as I am aware there is no such thing as a food grade ABS plastic. You can purchase food grade PLA for 3D printing however.

    5. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people don't live in regions that hot, though, so they'd experience hydrogen cyanide as a liquid most of the time.

    6. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by pla · · Score: 5, Funny

      You can purchase food grade PLA for 3D printing however.

      Hey now, lets not resort to cannibalism here! What'd I ever do to you???

    7. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surprised if even food grade plastics would effect fish embryos. Things like traces of soap, which is completely safe for humans readily effect fish.

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    8. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by TWX · · Score: 2

      There are potable-water applications for ABS pipe. I expect that means it's possible to have food-grade ABS plastic at least if certain conditions are met. On top of that ABS is often used in the housings of plastic kitchen appliances, so it still has to be safe for incidental exposure.

      I wonder if the process that is used to injection-mold or to extrude ABS gives it different properties than the 3d-print method that may not subject the material to the same pressures.

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    9. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      It's not cannibalism since your name "pla" translates to "fish" in Thai.

      Well played, though.

    10. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better to know now, than in the ISS or on Mars...

      So what can be done to improve matters? Even for parts never intended to get so close to life forms, there's the issue of the eventual decomposition after the products useful life.

      There was a report on public television which pointed out that things like small plastic water bottles made in the U.S. contain a toxin that is not required. If that were excluded, recycled material would be viable for many more uses and the bits ending up in the environment (and fish we eat) might be a little less harmful.

      I would hope that the U.S. would apply the more cautious environmental protections seen in the E.U., but the secretive trade treaties seem destined to undermine the good of the planet and indivduals.

      Too many just shrug off things that cause cancers, with a common response being something like "Everything causes cancer". I think there could be a more-effective message.
      What would people pay more attention to than death?
      There are additives in some plastics THAT CAUSE MALES TO DEVELOP SMALLER PENISES!!

      Some people take long showers despite things like drought and the impact of energy use for heating the water. Maybe someone should let them know that the well water increasingly used during drought often has higher levels of radon, and inhaling the vapors during those long showers increases the risk of developing cancer!

    11. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Bullshit.
      I've been using soap all my life and I haven't had any fish spring up where I use my soap.

      effect/affecttttttttttttt

    12. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can purchase food grade PLA for 3D printing however.

      Hey now, lets not resort to cannibalism here! What'd I ever do to you???

      How do we know you're even food grade?

    13. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by Adriax · · Score: 1

      Check to see if he has a Californian cancer warning sticker.

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    14. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      Not sure that would help. How to tell if something has a Californian cancer warning sticker:
      1: Is it in California?
      A: Yes - It has a sticker.
      B: No - It does not.

      (One of my favorites was a bottle of balsamic vinegar that advertised itself as being "certified organic" on the label and had a California sticker warning that it contained lead.)

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    15. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! PLA! Get back in my printer!

    16. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      And cyanide is liquid at room temperature.

      WHAT cyanide, you dick? Cyanide isn't a free standing thing.

      And before any pricks start hitting Google, I know what cyanoogen is, thank you very much, and it's not the same thing.

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    17. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      In Ontario wines need to put on the label if they contain sulfites. Not if any has been added to the wine, just if the wine contains any. Since sulfites are a byproduct of fermentation all wine contains some and so every wine in Ontario has that stupid message on the label, even the organic wines. If there's a message it should be either stating that sulfites have been added or giving the concentration of sulfites.

      Mind you I'm extremely sensitive to the taste of sulfites so that I notice them even in organic wines. In fact there's only one wine that I do like because I don't taste them.

    18. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      No, ABS does not outgas HCN.

      There is a report out there about a flame test of nylon carpeting, which was found to off gas HCN while burning.

      3D printing does not burn the filament, nylon filaments do not off gas HCN, and ABS filament certainly doesn't either.
      =Smidge=

    19. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy am I glad you bottom signed your post. Otherwise it might have been possible that you started typing that comment, died of 3D cancer, and then a robber submitted it.

      Thanks for removing that scenario from my mind.

    20. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds like it is all in your head, and you probably have a mental disorder.

    21. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by psyclone · · Score: 1

      Not just Ontario, the labeling of containing sulfites is widespread. I agree, labels should only indicate if sulfites are added, but as you mentioned, sulfites are naturally occurring and a small amount are usually added to stop fermentation.

      Tip: white wines contain more sulfites than red wines.

    22. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by pz · · Score: 1

      Sometimes, the world is your straight man, and you just gotta celebrate when it happens!

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    23. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, ABS as used in 3D printing does not produce HCN, and needs to be heated over 400C (most ABS is printed around 220C) to produce toxins.

      Second, Nobody's crazy enough to print cups out of ABS.

      They'd use PLA or PETG, which are, in theory, food-safe (PET is frequently used for soda bottles, and PLA is used by every grocery store out there), but in reality, those geeks are much, much smarter about the types of plastic they use to print with than you are, and the real problem isn't toxic chemicals, it's the itty-bitty microscopic bacteria havens that the FDM printing process creates.

    24. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      I like that one - tap water causes cancer...

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    25. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does it matter to me as a consumer whether the sulfites were added or intrinsically present? I only care about the amount, not their source.

    26. Re:ABS releases cyanide when heated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PVC when burned or cut on a laser cutter results in the release of chlorine gas, not ABS

  3. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, don't print little pirate treasure chests for zebra-fish aquaria, got it.

    1. Re:Who cares? by deviated_prevert · · Score: 2

      OK, don't print little pirate treasure chests for zebra-fish aquaria, got it.

      Who cares? The problems with chemical stupidity are not just about one species of fish. Unfortunately a large portion of our population relies upon the riches of the sea. If we keep screwing up the oceans with out industrial waste, especially discarded by products and plastic garbage we will see a rapid collapse of the entire ocean biosphere. It will mean starvation on a huge scale. Your statement bespeaks volumes about the utter public ignorance of key biological systems that have given us life. You can claim ignorance because most people do not even care about what is happening because of unrestrained garbage in our oceans, those who know the truth about the unregulated dumping of toxic plastic garbage that is causing the garbage patches do not have the luxury of ignorance that you enjoy.

      As you bury your head in the beach sand it is almost certain that you will also be covered in little pieces of plastic that are starting to kill fish on a global scale. large plastics the big pictureabout how and why plastics are killing more and more marine life as they break down into smaller and smaller pieces and are eaten by smaller and smaller organisms.

      With the oil and plastic industry now dictating our future it is entirely possible that our chemical stupidity will cause global starvation in the next century. Either we pay attention to the environment on a global scale or we will suffer the consequences of shitting in our own nest to the extent that our environment will simply kill us off. Here is hoping that eventually we can create closed systems with the plastic industry but right now the recycling of plastics and the science to stop the toxic destruction of our world is not a priority, within the next 40 years we either stop putting toxins in the ocean or we will not survive as a species. End of story.

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    2. Re:Who cares? by Triklyn · · Score: 2

      developmental mechanisms and pathways are highly conserved.
      we don't want a repeat of thalidomide

    3. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmmm, interesting read

      http://response.restoration.no...

    4. Re:Who cares? by deviated_prevert · · Score: 1

      hmmm, interesting read

      http://response.restoration.no...

      While it's true that these areas have a higher concentration of plastic than other parts of the ocean, much of the debris found in these areas are small bits of plastic (microplastics) that are suspended throughout the water column. A comparison I like to use is that the debris is more like flecks of pepper floating throughout a bowl of soup, rather than a skim of fat that accumulates (or sits) on the surface.

      That is precisely the problem, because the plastic breaks down into tidbits and some of the really nasty toxic ones become indistinguishable from the food that fish eat. Further to that sockeye salmon and other Oncorhynchus and fish everywhere are starting to show up with bellies full of plastics http://www.npafc.org/new/publi...

      Naturally the ocean gyres are slowly churning the plastics into smaller and smaller pieces and they are also breaking into bits on shorelines of islands and the continents. So it is not as if there is a great garbage dump out there but the truth is that there is a level of ongoing human caused pollution that is will eventually do permanent damage to much more than the ocean's key ecosystems.

      The alarmist videos and Fox News style environmental news shows do not show the real extent of the problem. They are not scientifically sound and are not really informing the public about the real problem with the world dominating petro industrial complex. Unfortunately the real problems are much more insidious and hidden as the quote I appended coming from your link clearly indicates.

      Perhaps it is far better instead to scare the shit out of people with videos like this one. Hopefully the extent of the real damage going on will finally be recognized by J. Q. Public, before another Bush league petro president takes over the reigns of power.

      Even Obama has stated that a lack action to change our attitudes towards the abuse of our shared environment by not being able to halt the dismissal of science, largely by the rich industry lobbies in Washington, is one of the greatest regrets he will have when he surrenders the reigns of power. Truth is it does not matter who becomes the President anymore the government is now run by the industry lobbies not the people and certainly not by truth!

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  4. Maybe not such a good idea by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Interesting
  5. whoops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Gotta like it when this stuff is discovered by accident. Do we have safeguards against putting the latest industrial chemical product into contact with millions of people? Seems like we don't.

    1. Re:whoops by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Humans aren't zebra fish, so this doesn't mean that it's toxic to humans. Worth investigating? Yeah, but this alone doesn't mean a whole lot.

      Bt, which is completely harmless to humans, is highly toxic to invertebrates. Or if you want to get closer to home, cocoa is very toxic to some mammals (especially dogs) but not at all toxic to humans.

      The only thing this really says so far is that you probably shouldn't dump anything 3d printed into a freshwater environment that has wild fauna.

    2. Re:whoops by pla · · Score: 1

      And Agent Orange only affects trees - Why, I once saw a guy drink a cup full of it in a Vietnam documentary, and it didn't affect him at all!

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    3. Re:whoops by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      developmental pathways are highly conserved. I'd be fairly alarmed/concerned about this messing with pregnancies. definitely warrants further study, and highly publicized warnings for pregnant women.

    4. Re:whoops by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      As you'll note above, I said it is worth investigating, but for the time being there's no evidence that it is harmful to humans.

      And by the way, everything else I've mentioned has been proven safe. Bt has been in use as a pesticide for almost a century now. Chances are you personally have consumed quite a bit of it; at least, if you eat fresh vegetables anyways (organic or otherwise.)

    5. Re:whoops by Triklyn · · Score: 2

      people study fruit flies to better understand the mechanisms of human development. if it ain't broke don't fix it, etc. etc.

      what messes with zebra-fish embryos may very well mess with a human embryos. things that have to happen during development regardless of the species, like axonal guidance, body orientaton, segmentation of different areas, differentiation signals. fruit flies need them, zebrafish need them, and we need them, and some are so fundamental that they haven't changed between the sea and us.

      that's why it's worrying. a mature human isn't susceptible to a crap ton of stuff that would kill off a zebrafish, but a human embryo isn't so different from a zebrafish one.

      human embryos have gill slits... cuz if it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it's wholly unnecessary but ain't hurting nothing, don't fix it either.

    6. Re:whoops by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Or if you want to get closer to home, cocoa is very toxic to some mammals (especially dogs) but not at all toxic to humans.

      Actually, the reason is a component of chocolate is toxic to dogs because they can't metabolize it fast enough so it builds up and poisons them. It's call theobromine, and the darker the chocolate, the higher the concentration. It's a mild simulant like caffeine. Humans are generally larger animals so not only do we require more chocolate, our livers are able to process it far faster.

      it is possible to be poisoned, but it requires eating a LOT of chocolate really quickly. Which practically speaking is such a large quantity to be impractical for humans.

    7. Re:whoops by ultranova · · Score: 1

      As you'll note above, I said it is worth investigating, but for the time being there's no evidence that it is harmful to humans.

      They liquid form is definitely harmful, according to Formlab material safety sheets (bottom of page). A more interesting question is: what if you wash the object first? After all, the Form 1 printer solidifies the object inside a tank filled with the liquid form, so it'll inevitably end up carrying some for a while after manufacture. So does the harmful effect come from the solid object itself (that is, material dissolving from it) or from leftover liquid resin, which will wear off pretty soon (and could potentially be solved by re-lasering the finished object)?

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    8. Re: whoops by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      You gotta get into dosages and stuff with that methinks. At a molecular level we're all just heaps of congealed particles rubbing against each other. You touch something, some of you clings to it, some of it clings to you. I wouldn't lick my finger even if its dry at the touch is what I'm saying

  6. Headline fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A more accurate headline would be: "Some 3D Printer consumables toxic to certain fish"

    The toxicity is not an attribute of manufacturing process. It's an attribute of the material with which it's manufactured.

    Sensationalized headlines are in poor taste. Slashdot can be much better than this.

    1. Re:Headline fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I mostly take your point but it is still not quite accurate to say the consumables must be to blame. It is possible that the products themselves are to blame when their inputs are not. That is, it could be an attribute of the manufacturing process and not the material.

      Processes can produce carcinogens from non-carcinogens, for example. Trivially, burning does.

    2. Re:Headline fail by cdrudge · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sensationalized headlines are in poor taste. Slashdot can be much better than this.

      You must be new here. No it can't.

    3. Re:Headline fail by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

      Agreed. Even simpler: "Plastic toxic to some fish"

    4. Re:Headline fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot have got to get their quota of "3D printing" stories in, because 3D printing is cool. Apparently. No matter how tenuous the 3D printing element of the story is, in it goes. I'm sure we can look forward to the likes of "Babies Choke on Small 3D Printed Toys", and "Burning 3D Printed Objects Release Toxic Fumes" in the coming months too.

    5. Re:Headline fail by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Pretty much this.

      And plastics which have likely not been deemed food safe, or otherwise been studied for their safety.

      I mean, has anybody spent any time looking at the composition of these plastics and said "gee, should we be handling this, or making forks from it?".

      I assume at this point, it's totally untested, and just whatever random plastics had the right material properties.

      And, really, just how hard is it to be toxic to the embryos of zebrafish?

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    6. Re:Headline fail by Shadowhawk · · Score: 1

      You must be new here.

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    7. Re:Headline fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For once, the headline is pretty accurate. The problem is for a big part inherent to 3D printing. When plastic processing is done by traditional means there is far greater assurance that the correct plastic is used for the job, and at least a chance at decent regulation. 3D printing throws that all out of the window because Joe Schmoe can just buy a 3D printer and some plastic without regard to his health or the environment. Unless every not-safe-for-every-purpose plastics are forbidden, which isn't going to happen.

    8. Re:Headline fail by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Sensationalized headlines are in poor taste. Slashdot can be much better than this.

      I assume you mean in some abstract, theoretical way?

    9. Re:Headline fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. That's why I've not regularly visited /. in years.

      It's fallen to the darkside of clickbait articles and no sources.

      Ridiculous.

  7. Just about everything is toxic to fish by Crashmarik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As anyone who ever had a fish tank will tell you.

    What would be amazing is if they found things not normally in the egg that weren't toxic to the embryos.

    1. Re:Just about everything is toxic to fish by avandesande · · Score: 2

      Most plastics leach curing agents, plasticizers and monomers after they are manufactured. None of this is surprising.

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  8. So what happened by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to Bre Pettis' pretentious 3D printed coral? Anyone remember that or is that quickly forgotten by the hype machine?

  9. Parts of 3D Printers? by Scott+Tracy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The summary reads like he took apart a 3D printer then threw various components from it in a fish tank. I was left wondering why anyone would do that.

    1. Re:Parts of 3D Printers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was probably doing an experiment where various objects were presented to fish to gauge their reaction (e.g. stress level as measured by die-off rate) or using the 3D printer to make environmental obstacles to control the behavior of the fish.

    2. Re:Parts of 3D Printers? by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 1

      He was probably doing an experiment where various objects were presented to fish to gauge their reaction (e.g. stress level as measured by die-off rate) or using the 3D printer to make environmental obstacles to control the behavior of the fish.

      It's certainly possible the fish embryos saw the 3D printer parts and died from hype overdose.

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  10. PLA or ABS used for the melty-machine test? by jddj · · Score: 1

    Would seriously like to know whether they were using PLA or ABS filament for their "not as toxic" melted-plastic machine test.

    I'm printing exclusively with PLA at home, but have no idea which they're talking about.

    1. Re:PLA or ABS used for the melty-machine test? by NixieBunny · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you would think that the names of the materials use would be the slightest bit interesting to readers of this article. Perhaps the editor didn't want to alarm anyone, and removed that information.

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    2. Re:PLA or ABS used for the melty-machine test? by ProfessorDoom · · Score: 2

      They tested on a Formlabs and a Stratasys Dimension Elite. The Dimension is an ABS plastic, the formlabs SLA printer is Methacrylate Photopolymer Resin. I'm feeling okay about my PLA printer.

    3. Re:PLA or ABS used for the melty-machine test? by reverseengineer · · Score: 1

      ABS filament for the FDM (melting plastic machine), methacrylates (and photoinitiator compounds, etc) for the stereolithography machine. The original paper in Enviromental Science & Technology Letters is available (with ACS paywall) here.

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    4. Re: PLA or ABS used for the melty-machine test? by jddj · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Then my mind goes to: "so we know not a lot about PLA in the same scenario", except that it's generally well-regarded for safety.

    5. Re:PLA or ABS used for the melty-machine test? by Nemesisghost · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the kind of material is almost as important as the type of printer, especially when there are several different materials that can be used in each of the different printer types.

    6. Re:PLA or ABS used for the melty-machine test? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The university press release is also lacking it.

  11. So much for Project Shellter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So Makerbot called on people to help make hermit crab shells to dump in the waters....
    guess that's a bit of a bad idea now.

    http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2011/10/18/project-shellter-can-the-makerbot-community-save-hermit-crabs

  12. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so toxic chemicals can actually be... dangerous to living organisms? Who would've known. There is such a dramatic lack of concern for all the chemical crap we use to make plastics, and poor into food, and beauty products, and what not. While we have nearly eliminated deaths from infectious diseases in the west during the last 100 years, we have also become the sickliest people in the world, thanks to all the chemical crap we put in ourselves, on ourselves, and everywhere in our environment.

  13. but where is all the pro lifers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    screaming they are fish?

  14. Sure fire way not to pick up chicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    "So what do you do for a living?" "I study Zebrafish embryos".

    1. Re:Sure fire way not to pick up chicks by meerling · · Score: 1

      "As I kill them with toxic plastic objects I made. Wanna see my fish skull montage?"

  15. Give this man a medal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He just discovered that toxic chemicals are toxic.

  16. Bioengineering grad needs better schooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm wondering why the University made this public in the manner that they did.

    A bioengineering grad student of the University of California - Riverside isn't immediately aware that liquid resin "instant/3d printed" parts would affect experiments with their residue and/or outgassing?

    I find that pretty sad.

  17. Bummer by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    In other news: 3d-printed guns harmful to humans.
    Who would have thought.

  18. it's ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they're not really fish until they're born anyways.

  19. Poorly written crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "3D Printed Objects Found Toxic"

    "the parts of two common types of 3D printers are Toxic"

    So, which is it? The printed objects, or the parts of the printers?

  20. So... by pruedz · · Score: 0

    If I had read that headline on a SimCity3000 news ticker I would have let out a smirk. In other words: "Pollution kill fish."

  21. Simple Answer by NoSalt · · Score: 0


    Just don't feed 3D printed objects to zebra fish.

  22. Reminds me of by phil.swansborough · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of those old adverts for Radium, how it'll brighten your teeth etc etc. Maybe one day people will look back at all those Kickstarter videos for 3D printers they way we look at those.

  23. See? Another use for 3d printing by idontgno · · Score: 1

    3d printed fish contraception. Who knew it was this versatile!

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  24. yes! and: finally !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oh yes, and midges fly southward when they the moon shines. Slashdot is evidently avoiding to be a news site..one more: the earth is not a disc, or, scientists found out that coughing can cause irritations in the throat. Or: when the sun shines, the risk of getting sunburn is higher. Or even better: children born in winter are three times more likely to have birthdays in the winter months. But great news, hey !!

  25. Plastics tend to be toxic to fish by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    However, there are 3D printers working here at the UW which can bioprint solar cells on flexible film, and ones that can even bioprint compostable furniture NOT USING PLASTICS.

    Plastics are a transitory thing, in terms of what can be printed. Eventually, just as we can 3D print organs, we will do the same and move off plastics.

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    1. Re:Plastics tend to be toxic to fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the efficiency of these solar sells? Commodity panels are around 18% this year, for less than a buck a watt...

    2. Re:Plastics tend to be toxic to fish by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      I think we're running 18 pct for the first batch, but they are flexible and the entire grid won't die if just one cell goes. Economies of scale and cost/yield still being worked on. I got to hold one in my hand last week.

      Not sure how much the inputs for the compostable 3D bioprinter are, or for the surgical bioorgan printer are. We tend to use off the shelf things a lot, drops costs, makes parts easier to find.

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    3. Re:Plastics tend to be toxic to fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Efficiency is a metric used by the ignorant and marketers. The metric you are looking for is $/watt. Why would anyone choose a higher efficiency solar panel if the all included cost of installing 2 - 9% solar panels is less than installing 1 - 18% solar panel? Almost all homeowners could have a yearly net positive energy use by covering their roofs with low 5% efficient cells (do the math yourself if you don't believe it).

  26. How does this answer the question? by blindseer · · Score: 1

    From the article:
    "Other unanswered questions include how to dispose of the waste material â" both solid and liquid â" created by 3-D printers. At this point, the researchers think it is best to take it to a hazardous waste center."

    So how does the hazardous waste center dispose of the material if they don't yet know what aspect of the 3D printed part makes it hazardous? I assume there is a catch all process for such materials, like sealing it up real tight into something that won't leak and dropping it down a really deep hole. Perhaps another catch all is heat it up so hot that any molecules in the material are broken down to their constituent atoms.

    Also, once we know what makes them hazardous then it is quite possible we can find a means to remove that aspect of the material and/or find a means for a user of that material to perform whatever process is necessary to render it inert. Such as if the process is to expose the 3D printed product to UV light then tell the manufacturer or user that it should be left out in the sunlight for how many hours it takes to destroy the hazardous material. For some items, like wind chimes and license plate holders, the UV exposure would be expected in normal use.

    While this is certainly interesting it seems to me that this article is click bait, scaremongering, or both. Lots of people have been using 3D printed products without any health problems showing up. This is really something that should be of interest only to fish breeders and material scientists.

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  27. It's always something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So my plan for World Domination via 3D-printed zebra fish is dead in the water?