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Apple CEO Tim Cook: "Microsoft Surface Book Tries Too Hard To Do Too Much" (hothardware.com)

MojoKid writes: Apple CEO Tim Cook isn't making any friends on the PC side of the aisle this week. Cook took to the interview circuit this week to heavily promote the release of the new 12.9-inch iPad Pro and didn't waste any time kicking some dirt in the eyes of PC consumers around the world. When questioned on his thoughts about PCs, Cook wondered, "I think if you're looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?" Many would take issue with those comments. But we'll leave those comments behind, because Cook decided to set his targets on the current darling of the PC community — the Microsoft Surface Book. Even though Cook says that his company's relationship with Microsoft is "really good," he went on to say that the Surface Book "tries too hard to do too much" and that "it's trying to be a tablet and a notebook and it really succeeds at being neither." It will be interesting to see Mr. Cook's reaction as sales figures for the device roll in post holiday shopping season.

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  1. "Tries too hard to do too much" by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Honestly, you could do worse...

    nonetheless, it is plausible that Tim Cook's assertions about the Microsoft product are possibly not completely unbiased.

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    1. Re:"Tries too hard to do too much" by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it's the "We can't do as much as Surface therefor Surface is trying to do too much" attitude

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  2. Re:I remember a time... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    when Apple just got on with it a made good products. Now they need to spread FUD about a competing product ?

    There was never a time when Apple refrained from spreading FUD. Their iconic 1984 super bowl ad was an attack on IBM, and said nothing about the features or benefits of their own products. Steve Jobs regularly made ad hominem insults against Bill Gates, John Scully, etc.

  3. To Quote Gandhi by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

    Maybe we'll see Apple come up with a iPad Duo Dock at some point. "It's not the same thing, though..."

  4. Artists, musicians, etc by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I think if you're looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?"

    To run ProTools with all the plugins?

    Am I the only one who remembers when Apple made machines for creative people? An iPad Pro is useless for them, except for being able to write an email to your parents asking for more money.

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    1. Re:Artists, musicians, etc by ihtoit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      because they realised the real power is in software rather than hardware, so they reduced the hardware overhead by switching architecture to the x64 and rewrote most of their code. These days Mac laptops and their HTPC-type systems are fabricated by Dell in Ireland, same as they've always been, only this time round the only real divergence is when it comes to mounting the boards in the cases.

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  5. Re:He's got his talking points by LichtSpektren · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Adding 100+ domains to your router's firewall is only "trivial to mitigate" for geeks. >99% of Windows 10 users are being spied on, even if they think they turned the settings off.

  6. Flamebait by ShnowDoggie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There was quite a bit of context hothardware left out. I am calling it - flame bait.

  7. Re:He's got his talking points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Adding 100+ domains to your router's firewall is only "trivial to mitigate" for geeks. >99% of Windows 10 users are being spied on, even if they think they turned the settings off.

    I wish more people knew this. I wish even more that they cared. Maybe then Microsoft would put an official way to turn off all communications (besides activation) with their servers. The fact that they took away the option is a real dick move. It makes it even worse that they lead people to believe that they have full control.

  8. Re: I remember a time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I do full 3d Unity game development on my Surface 3. It's a fucking incredible piece of hardware, as good as my 3 year old desktop.

  9. Re:He's got his talking points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    99% of Windows 10 users are being spied on, even if they think they turned the settings off.

    You have hard evidence of that claim, right?

    By the way, are you that naive to think the sainted Tim Cook and his Apples are not "spying" on you? Wake up numbnutz.

  10. Re: He's got his talking points by cfalcon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I was saying this a little while ago, at this point I don't believe that even Enterprise truly turns off the spying- it just lets you pick the "no telemetry" option, but still leaks some data. It's certainly a lot better than Pro (or the free Home), which don't even give you the option to turn it off.

  11. Re:He's got his talking points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you have to make your argument by calling someone 'numbnutz' you need to really do some soul searching, bud.

  12. Re:He's got his talking points by gumbi+west · · Score: 2, Insightful

    wow, bypassing the hosts file is just... wow. Before I read this I would have told you MS was at least being honest on their slow crawl to death.

  13. Re:I remember a time... by guacamole · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple was always about FUD or making ridiculous marketing claims. I recall how in 1998, when they came up with the G3 PowerPC based computers, they were making the ridiculous claim that 233MHz G3 in an iMac was faster than 400MHz Pentium II, even though the claims were not based on some real world usage experience or benchmarks like spec int, but on some obscure Photoshop based benchmark if I recall that correctly. By the time Apple started using the G4 processors, claiming to be faster than Intel was not enough. Now they claimed that G4 is a supercomputer processor. Then couple of years later they announce the switch-over to Intel.. surprise surprise.

    Granted, in the more recent times Apple hardware has usually been top notch, but companies will always have a need to spread marketing FUD against the competitor products..

  14. Re:He's got his talking points by AndroidCat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really? I guess Windows 10 really will be the last Windows. See, I have this strange idea that I own my computers and my Internet connection.

    I can't remember when I opened an Office app with intent.
    W10 won't run my old favorite games.
    That flat monochrome UI is a regression to Windows 2.1, and makes long-existing apps look like poop.
    My LAN took a vote and they're split down the middle on processors and terabytes between Windows and Linux, and I know who the Androids will support.
    My last Windows anchor was Delphi, and I've switched to Lazarus.

    Apple? An Apple Pi would have no I/O ports.

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  15. Re:He's got his talking points by brantondaveperson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OSX is not within a "walled garden", but I suppose there's no need to let facts like that get in the way of a good story.

    OSX beats windows. Apple hardware lacks upgradeability. I can't see how either position can be argued against, unless you've really got a thing about minesweeper.

    Oh. Wait.

  16. Re: He's got his talking points by GrantRobertson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He's not making his argument BY calling names. He is making an argument, and THEN calling names.

    There is a huge difference. The former is born out of ignorance. The latter is born out of the frustration from needing to make said argument yet again.

    In my view, conflating the two is a sure sign of the former which will likely prompt others to more of the latter.

  17. Re:Care to share the list of the '100+ domains'? by Comboman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ad.doubleclick.net

    Doubleclick is owned by Google, I doubt they have anything to do with Microsoft other than perhaps serving ads for them.

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  18. Re:He's got his talking points by Wdomburg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How well does MacOS run applications from 1996 (like Civilization II)? Not at all. Apple was still on System 7 back then. Support for classic apps was dropped in 10.5 (2007) and for PowerPC apps in 10.7 (2011).

    How well does Linux run applications from 1996? Largely a moot point, since there were relatively few compiled applications in the first place. But the Linux world was only just transitioning off a.out binaries and libc5. Anything written in C++ would be a non-started since we're talking GCC 2.5 or 2.7. Newer applications are potentially even worse, as they might depend on abandoned pieces of the nascent desktop frameworks (e.g. Bonobo, ORBit, DCOP, ARTS, ESound, etc).

    That isn't to say it wouldn't be nice to have every older application work out of the box, but Microsoft has still maintained a laudable level of backwards compatibility in their products.

    I've actually moved to Windows on my personal machine for the first time after running various flavors of Linux for twenty years. Why? Obviously not for backwards compatibility. Rather, the advent of web applications have largely rendered my desktop needs down to a web browser and a terminal. I can get that anywhere, but right now Windows offers competent HiDPI support, working trackpad gestures, and mature touchscreen support.

    I still run Linux on my main work machine, but new releases continue to be plagued by a host of petty annoyances, like the secondary displays on my docking station not being recognized until I open a new window. Or corruption in the text rendering in my window title bars. Given tho problems I see in conventional hardware that is several years old, even on a days old version of Linux, there is no way I will be wasting my time trying to coerce it onto a brand new Surface Pro 4.

  19. Re:He's got his talking points by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Pure, Unabashed, FUD. Millions of people use their iPhone / iPad / Mac to play games or listen to music on airlines without a network connection EVERY DAY.

    Stop lying.

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  20. Re:He's got his talking points by cfalcon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Or, you can change a registry setting, disable a couple of services, and be done with it.

    > http://winaero.com/blog/how-to...

    Ah, I see you are playing one of my favorite forum games- you are trying to tell people how to disable the Microsoft spying!

    You have missed TONS of thing, even with that link. I will list just one thing that the thing doesn't do: it doesn't turn off the "Customer Experience Improvement Program", which is normally disabled under task scheduler. This continues to leak tons of data if not disabled.

    In practice, the steps to getting Windows 10 to a state that is assumed to be not talky, are massive and generally incomplete. I could list many many more things that the winaero link doesn't deal with, and if you just scroll down to the comments section you'll see people listing massive strings of commands that MIGHT make the OS do what they want.

    If Linux had anything like this, you'd be laughing your ass off. Because it's Windows and you're some AC Windows fanfuck, you bury your head in the sand.

  21. Re:He's got his talking points by david_thornley · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We know that Microsoft is spying on things I don't want spied on. You say you think Apple does as much spying without actually providing any evidence for your argument. Apple and Microsoft are two different companies, and operate in different ways. Most of Microsoft's revenue is from software licensing, and most of Apple's is from selling Macs and iDevices.

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  22. Re:He's got his talking points by vux984 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft has made it damn near impossible

    Damn near impossible?

    At the Microsoft Account sign in page, you click Create New Account, then at the bottom of the new account form click "Sign in without a microsoft account."

    I concede its slightly unintuitive, and definitely treated as a second class option... but if you don't already have a microsoft account, you are going to end up on the form to create one, with the option to sign in without one... so you can't actually even miss it if you read.

    It's not remotely "damn near impossible"?

    And i don't know what you are going on about with "Apple *watching* this experiment"; you do know that by default OSX has you signing into your computer with an apple cloud account now too right? And you have to do pretty much the same gymnastics you do with Windows to opt out of it. And this has been true for the last 2 or 3 releases of OSX already.