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Windows 3.1 Glitch Causes Problems At French Airport -- Wait, 3.1? (vice.com)

OakDragon writes: Microsoft has tamped down the earth on XP's grave, steered Internet Explorer toward the nursing home, and is trying to convince everyone Windows 10 is a bright up-and-comer. But in the Paris airport of Orly, a system called DECOR — which helps air traffic controllers relay weather information to pilots — is running on Windows 3.1. That program suffered a glitch recently that grounded planes for some time. The airport actually runs on a variety of old systems, including Windows XP and UNIX. Maintenance is a problem. There are only three people in Paris that work on DECOR issues, and one of them is retiring soon. Hardware is also an issue. "Sometimes we have to go rummaging on eBay to replace certain parts," said Fiacre. "In any case, these machines were not designed to keep working for more than 20 years."

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  1. Virtulize? by Henriok · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wouldn't virtualization be a viable option here?

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    1. Re:Virtulize? by selectspec · · Score: 1

      Or emulate.

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    2. Re:Virtulize? by andreas.hummelbrunne · · Score: 1

      You really think anyone has written hardware emulation-modules for hardware that was still running WIn 3.1?

    3. Re:Virtulize? by avandesande · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There might be some weird ISA interface to a radio or something that you can't virtualize-

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    4. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting networking working in Windows 3.1/3.11 under the various virtual machine platforms is either ridiculously hard or impossible in most cases. It also requires training users, which nobody really wants to do.

      I honestly suspect that this news story will prompt some investment into newer software.

    5. Re:Virtulize? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      this is how i first learned about computers in college in 1992. every project was a huge undertaking. you spent months or years planning it and selecting a solution. months or years deploying it and then supporting it and maintaining it. every project was supposed to last for years or decades. none of this, hey lets buy some servers this month to replace something

    6. Re:Virtulize? by Flavianoep · · Score: 0

      Think about all of effort and money spent to get the system working. If they change the system all of that will have been a waste! There must be some return to all of that investment in keeping the system running for all those years.

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    7. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, it's called DOSBox.

    8. Re:Virtulize? by Rei · · Score: 1

      If you want to fund the migration of a (almost assuredly large and complex) ancient system that has to deal with countless rare edge cases, be my guest, I'm sure they'll greatly appreciate your generosity.

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    9. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's perfect! The software the Paris airport of Orly is running is called Flight Simulator 5.0.

      We're totally splitting the consultancy fee on this one.

    10. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 3.1 hasn't been a mainline operating system for 20 years. Even on a shoe string budget a department with any competence could have ported the software succesfully since then. They're not even using Windows NT 4.0 for crying out loud and it's almost 20 years old too.

    11. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was able to create Virtualbox VMs with windows 3.1, 3.11, and even DOS 3.3 (!), all with networking enabled, and I even browsed some websites with them. I mostly used this guide:

      http://www.kompx.com/en/arachn...

    12. Re:Virtulize? by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 2

      Uh, no. Unix/BSD/Linux uses the F1...F10 keys for OS functionality (virtual desktops) where DOS apps typically used them, if at all, for internal functions. WordPerfect, for example, was useless on DOSemu or DOSbox for this reason as all software actions found in GUI menus were activated with these keys, which *nix clobbers,

    13. Re:Virtulize? by prunus.avium · · Score: 2

      The problem is not likely the OS or software running on that PC. The problem is far more likely to be a specific piece of hardware on that PC that is used to communicate with some other system.

      Remember Windows 3.1 did not have any native network stack. You had to buy or download a free network stack separately (Trumpet WinSock, anyone?). So any interface that came out of the PC was likely some proprietary protocol that had some "interesting" drivers that loaded before Windows 3.1 started and hooked directly in to the BIOS interrupt tables.

    14. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is Windows NT 3.1. On a server, not the desktop OS.

    15. Re:Virtulize? by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have no clue of the complexity of these systems. A three-man team is sufficient to hobble them along and keep them functional, not to port them. We've had an ongoing project to port one of our systems from AIX to Linux here for much of a decade and it's still only partly done, and we have a much larger team.

      ATC systems sound simple on the face of them, but they're so ridiculously full of diverse, unreliable datasources (which can conflict with each other) and edge cases that they have to deal with it's not even funny.

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    16. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a flaw in Unix/BSD/Linux. And who says the host OS has to be *NIX?

    17. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't know they made Flight Simulator 5.0 for Windows 3.1.

    18. Re: Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Too pussy to verify the info. It is not Windows 3.1, but Windows NT 3.1. And moron enough to believe all this clickbait titles.

    19. Re:Virtulize? by gnupun · · Score: 1

      It's management's fault to not modernize the OS and hardware. They want to save design costs not updating software/hardware, and they get away with it for 25 years or so, but then if something critical fails, this happens... the whole system is shutdown.

    20. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Captain Freetard and her useless piece of garbage.

    21. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't virtualization be a viable option here?

      Of even Linux running WINE?

    22. Re:Virtulize? by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      If it ain't broke, don't fix it. There's a reason that Pick is still in use 50 years after its release.

    23. Re:Virtulize? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Next issue?

      This thing takes weather reports and pipes them to systems on airplanes. Very likely, the airplanes are newer than this system. Heck, you could replace the system with iPads in every cockpit for the cost of a couple of repairs to a system that old.

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    24. Re:Virtulize? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 4, Informative

      In 25 years, there've probably been 25 managers who have walked away with fat bonuses for keeping this department under budget. The current one will get a slap on the wrist. They're just playing the odds to get the best outcome for themselves.

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    25. Re: Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in combination with Ctrl + Alt. Normal F1 etc works just fine so if you need Ctrl+Alt+F1 then you have to map another key for that in Dosbox.

    26. Re: Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to closed source.

    27. Re: Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear G-Had John, I saw your 40 virgins and man they're looking strangely like goats wearing rubber boots. Sorry about your luck. SS

      O crap, wrong thread, sorry.

    28. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And not one of those retards on their Ada high horses, ever threw some of that phat government contract bounty and John Carmack and ask how he would do it.

      SpaceX years ago hired a bunch of green kids with video game programming experience to write their flight software and docked with the ISS they hardest most exacting approach in existence starting from a nearly blank slate. Today they are developing culling techniques for flow simulations so they can model rockets orders of magnitude more accurately and more cheaply with less compute cycles. And they are still hiring video game programmers specifically.

      Damn legacy cruft is just doing it wrong.

    29. Re:Virtulize? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      SpaceX is learning to do stuff cheaper than NASA has done it for decades. NASA has been doing resupply missions long before there was a SpaceX. Call me when they do something new like design a rocket to land a man on Mars or something else that hasn't been done by Boeing or one of the other big contractors out there

    30. Re:Virtulize? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      and when you port it, the solution has to work right the first time. every time. or people die. none of this testing and patching in production like the kids do today.

    31. Re:Virtulize? by cpotoso · · Score: 1

      Trumpet WinSock... AH! Those were the times!

    32. Re:Virtulize? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Now only if there was some kind of alternative OS to UNIX/BSD/Linux that doesn't act that way with F-key scan codes...

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    33. Re:Virtulize? by jopsen · · Score: 2

      It's management's fault to not modernize the OS and hardware. They want to save design costs not updating software/hardware, and they get away with it for 25 years or so, but then if something critical fails, this happens... the whole system is shutdown.

      If it lives for 25 years with minimal cost, is this really a bad strategy?


      When I write software now, I try to aim for it to live 10 years without any maintenance (not always realistic, just an idealistic goal).
      Then I deploy it and stick my head in the sand. Most of my systems won't live for 10 years, but if something ends up doing so, is this really a bad strategy?
      I think stick your head in the sand and wait 25 years for the system to crash and someone to call you could be a cost efficient strategy :)
      (Granted, in the airport industry, you might want to make sure "system crash" != plane falling out of the sky)

    34. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      60% of the time it works every time!

    35. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really in terms of hardware, no. You can run Windows 3.1 on very readily available hardware but that's not the biggest problem they have as far as I can see, it's everything else. Can you imagine the kind of high-end custom communications equipment it might be interfaced with? Who knows (well, three people do) exactly what custom hardware is being used by that ludicrously specific, mission critical software.

      It seems to me that given the vast profits major airports make that they really ought to be investing in updated technology.

    36. Re:Virtulize? by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      SpaceX years ago ...

      And they are still trying to complete their project, aren't they? Also, there is NO human involve yet which would make the task way lots more critical.

      There is a rule of thumb with this type of software, if it works, don't touch it. The software had been running fine for decades. It is critical if it all of the sudden breaks (as it did just now). Doing anything with the working version would easily introduce other kind of bugs and would become a much bigger mess trying to find/fix them. It would be OK to port/update a software to match newer technologies if the software is not this critical. It is obvious that you have never dealt this critical type of software...

    37. Re:Virtulize? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and I'm sure there are common USB-to-ATC radar adapters you can just get on Amazon.

      Many times the reason you see an antiquated OS still being used is because there was some very specific software written to talk to an incredibly unique (and expensive) piece of hardware, and that software just won't work in any other configuration. Also, they just can't shut the system down for a few hours in order to fuck around with it, so there's that.

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    38. Re:Virtulize? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      The good thing is that we've had PCI to ISA bridge chips for at least a decade: https://www.altera.com/product...

      So unless they are doing some seriously weird low-level signal nonsense, you would be able to get past that with some hardware hackery.

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    39. Re:Virtulize? by gnupun · · Score: 1

      If it lives for 25 years with minimal cost, is this really a bad strategy?

      It is. Other managers follow the same strategy and that's why COBOL still exists. Then you have to hire scarce COBOL programmers at a higher price building an inferior system. Good for them it bites them in the ass 10, 15, 20 years later when the costs blow up.

      They could've contracted maintenance of their software/hardware to some company and kept costs down while controlling how often the system was updated.

    40. Re: Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could use a different WM.

    41. Re:Virtulize? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      As I understand it "system crash" doesn't mean planes falling out of the sky but it does mean massive disruption if it can't be recovered from quickly. They need the automated systems to manage the density of takeoffs and landings at busy modern airports. If they lose that automation then flights have to be held/diverted/cancelled to keep the number of plane movements in the problem to a level they can manage manually.

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    42. Re:Virtulize? by Cacadril · · Score: 1

      Everybody explaining how hard it is to replace old sw and hw... How come they managed to implement it in the first place?

      Build a new system working in parallel with the old one. Adapt the planes to communicate with both systems og switch them over to the new one.

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    43. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      25 years is about where the FAA would consider replacing a ground system.

    44. Re:Virtulize? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      They needed to upgrade it years ago. That's from a simple parts availability/maintenance standpoint. Yes, it works. That's not the point. Eventually the people who actually know how this works will retire or die. That would be okay if they were planning on replacing it. It doesn't sound like they are. Luckily, this doesn't feel like a mission critical system, but it's still dumb that this has been allowed to go that far.

    45. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, in this case, it's a very, very bad strategy. Specifically due to the critical nature of the functions being implemented.

      You don't let critical systems like ATC exist in a state wherein it's a roll of the dice as to whether or they will continue working. It's something that should be proactively maintained and replaced on a reasonable schedule.

      The attempt to keep it running 25 years has now left them in a situation where there are only 3 people in the entire world that can possibly help them (and all are likely near the end of their careers). Once you let institutional knowledge dwindle that badly, you are in a situation where even if you attempt to replace the entire system, you don't have anywhere to start but from scratch.

    46. Re:Virtulize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the proper thing to be doing with this type of critical software is to be working on a scheduled replacement while supporting the existing system. You don't just keep kicking the can down the street or you end up with a complete SNAFU, like in this situation.

      There is no reason that a 25 year old ATC system should not have a replacement system already well into at least the QA phase. ESPECIALLY due to the fragile nature of the hardware supply chain involved and the easily predictable loss of institutional knowledge and competence with the existing system.

    47. Re:Virtulize? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Motherboards with ISA slots never stopped being available, you can get one with socket 1150 for instance (Haswell processors).

      I am wondering if that uses a PCI (or PCIe) to ISA bridge, or is it still using the ISA bus directly?
      The Low Pin Count bus is ISA compatible (but runs at 33.32MHz on fewer pins), gives real parallel, serial, PS/2, real time clock etc. on even the very latest hardware. Perhaps some simple added circuitry allows to derive a couple ISA slots from it, not exposing a bridge to the hardware and OS in the process.

    48. Re:Virtulize? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      It's bridged. Intel's chipsets haven't directly had an ISA bus in years - Things like ISA, PS/2 ports, etc. hang off of the PCI bus on bridge chips.

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  2. Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The airport actually runs on a variety of old systems, including Windows XP and UNIX

    Unix isn't necessarily old, grasshopper.

    1. Re:Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you realize how old it makes you sound when you say that?

    2. Re: Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Freebsd , opensolaris , I think unix , not linux.

    3. Re: Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unix has been replaced by Linux, fool.

    4. Re:Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes I do, but what the grasshopper said gives away his age and experience just as well, doesn't it? Of course, you'd never realize that if your own age and experience is even less.

    5. Re: Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Call your school and request a refund. Leave your nerd card on the counter, and walk out that door.

      You are a disgrace. You're an idiotic disgrace. You are a gormless knob.

      And some background: BSD, Solaris, and OS X are all Unix. Linux is a Unix-like system. It acts like a Unix but is NOT a Unix.

    6. Re: Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BS. Go back to school or read some reliable info and stop spread heresy pretending to be a nerd. Show me the Linux kernel in Solaris, OSX or BSD - can you?
      Do you know what GNU means? It's an abbreviation of "GNU is Not UNIX" - would GNU differentiate itself from UNIX if there's no UNIX at all?
      BTW: taking into account the age of the systems I can make a bet they use HP-UX since I worked on both systems 'in parallel' in the early nineties.
      For your information: HP-UX is UNIX too

    7. Re:Which version of unix? by armanox · · Score: 1

      If you're going to use that, at least use it correctly...UNIX means it is a full POSIX compliant Operating System, like Solaris, IRIX, or AIX. None of that nasty GNU stuff needed.

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    8. Re: Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux and RewriteD is running the show now, there is no other option than to live with it.

    9. Re: Which version of unix? by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 1

      BTW: taking into account the age of the systems I can make a bet they use HP-UX since I worked on both systems 'in parallel' in the early nineties.

      Really? You've been around that long, and still have not learned not to feed the trolls?

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    10. Re: Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GNU plus Linux is better than any of those, AND it _is_ an actual Unix. This is the truth you don't want to realize. Please get some context before posting on a professional site like this one.

    11. Re:Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't make Unix not old :P

    12. Re:Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GNU is a FREE rewrite of the Unix operating system. I do admit that it is not a 100% copy of all the bugs unix had, but rather a very sophisticated improvement TO the Unix codebase. Also, unlike Unix and the other "Open Source" *BSD derivates, GNU is FREE software, meaning you can inspect, copy, compile, use, and re-distribute the source for free and without any restrictions. AND ANY FORK WILL BE FREE TOO. The "Open Source" "idea" (its not even a real idea, its just a huge accident of a licensing scheme) allows anybody to take the source and MAKE IT CLOSED. "Open Source" isn't free software, its a CLOSED SOURCE CREATION TOOLKIT.

      The improvements of the GNU operating system don't just include the License (GNU GPL version 3.0), but also improvements like procfs WHICH EXISTED IN THE LINUX kernel before it was ported to what you would call "real" UNIXes like Plan9 or FreeBSD. Also, GNU includes the GNU INFO manual reading software, which is a highly IMPROVED version of the old man "tool". And GNU plus Linux has many many more improvements, which make it the only "real" operating system that can be called Unix.

    13. Re: Which version of unix? by danmoran · · Score: 1

      Unix has been replaced by Linux, fool.

      Not even close to being true. Linux has its place, but Unix is alive and well.

    14. Re: Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is like arguing which of two shades of blue are blue. They're are both blue. Linux is Unix.

    15. Re: Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all, your discussion "style" is totally ridiculous. Insulting people and providing "background" without listing any proof just shows what a limited minded person you are.

      So, to get back to some more serious discussion, have you ever had any experience with the GNU plus Linux system? You won't notice any greater difference from it than from BSD to the original "Unix" released by Bell labs. THIS IS BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY!!!

      So, as you see, it all makes sense now. Please, next time, do some more research as I did and find out the _real_ truth, not the lies that are spread by misinformed people like you. Can you promise this? Thank you.

    16. Re:Which version of unix? by idontgno · · Score: 1

      None of that nasty GNU stuff needed.

      Unless the sysadmin has a brain, in which case she installs the optional but ubiquitous GNU userland packages and places them first in execution paths. Because the UNIX native utils suck dead donkey balls.

      But yes, in those true UNIX systems /usr/bin and /usr/sbin is probably pure UNIX heritage, for good or ill.

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    17. Re: Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux is Unix

      Linux has never been a formal unix, but rather unix-like. After systemd came along, we can't even say that it's unix-like anymore, unless you are talking about the kernel only.

    18. Re: Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He really has no idea how things work. And you neither. Please stop with your jokes that I am trolling, this is a serious topic and thread.

    19. Re: Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Things stop being taken seriously when some AC implies that Linux is the only Unix nowadays.

    20. Re:Which version of unix? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      If it is called Unix, then chances are it is fairly darn old.
      Otherwise they would be calling it Solaris, xBSD, OS X...

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    21. Re: Which version of unix? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      GNU = GNU Not Unix.
      GNU/Linux is not Unix

      GNU systems including Linux are very Unix like. But have none of the original Bell Labs Code. It isn't a Fork of Unix, but a new product.

      GNU was derived as a response to some legal and copyright issues in the early 1990's.

      GNU is GPL but GPL is how they chose to license the System.

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    22. Re:Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the UNIX native utils suck dead donkey balls.

      I had to make this experience the hard way. At work, I had been assigned to fix three OpenBSD boxes that managed a service used for the yearly stakeholder report. They basically just collect some data from the services and aggregate them, etc. The problem was getting more and more serious, as the buffers on the client instances started to overflow. Now that collection service was written for Linux, and the manual clearly stated to not install it on any other OS, but it got deployed to OpenBSD. So I contacted the company that developed the product, and they told me that it all worked fine, except for one bug in the OpenBSD kernel, which causes a reboot loop. They told me to switch to a Linux distro of my choice, where the bug wouldn't appear. So I did the migration, and it all ran like a charm. Searching in the bug trackers, I found out that the bug had been known by the OpenBSD kernel maintainers for that whole time, but they didn't care to fix it.

      When I set up a new box, I guarantee you that it won't get OpenBSD anymore. Never, ever.

    23. Re: Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't a Fork of Unix, but a new product.

      I don't dispute that GNU doesn't base on the original Bell labs Unix code, but is instead a full rewrite in order to promote FREE SOFTWARE.
      But all these Forks of the Unix code base, they aren't real UNIX anymore. Because why do you fork something. Do you do it in order to create the same piece of software? No, you want to do something different, chose a different path. That's what all these operating systems did you regard to as being the "real UNIX". Them chosing a different path is completely okay, its nothing wrong. Its just that BSD isn't an Unix anymore.

      Now to the GNU operating system. Why did they chose to _rewrite_ unix, and not just create something entirely new? Because they wanted to create a free _implementation_ of unix that would work just like the original Bell labs unix worked, so that software could easily be ported, and improvement patches still could be shared freely over the internet, just like in the old days.

      The name "GNU Is not Unix" was chosen in a joking manner, just like YACC for "Yet Another Compiler Compiler". It doesn't reflect the truth.

      So, to summarize, the GNU developers did want to keep as close to unix as possible, in order to make life easier for people who want to migrate, and to provide a general-purpose base for free sharing of modifications and improvements. The forkers like the BSD team however, wanted to tailor unix for their needs, for their specific use-case. Of course the operating system becomes something different in the process.

    24. Re: Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And since Linux is just a kernel... yeah.

    25. Re: Which version of unix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have been ugly-kludge init systems for UNIX in the past. systemd isn't really anything new. It's uglier than some but really just another kludge. It will pass.

    26. Re: Which version of unix? by EmeraldBot · · Score: 1

      It isn't a Fork of Unix, but a new product.

      I don't dispute that GNU doesn't base on the original Bell labs Unix code, but is instead a full rewrite in order to promote FREE SOFTWARE. But all these Forks of the Unix code base, they aren't real UNIX anymore. Because why do you fork something. Do you do it in order to create the same piece of software? No, you want to do something different, chose a different path. That's what all these operating systems did you regard to as being the "real UNIX". Them chosing a different path is completely okay, its nothing wrong. Its just that BSD isn't an Unix anymore.

      Now to the GNU operating system. Why did they chose to _rewrite_ unix, and not just create something entirely new? Because they wanted to create a free _implementation_ of unix that would work just like the original Bell labs unix worked, so that software could easily be ported, and improvement patches still could be shared freely over the internet, just like in the old days.

      The name "GNU Is not Unix" was chosen in a joking manner, just like YACC for "Yet Another Compiler Compiler". It doesn't reflect the truth.

      So, to summarize, the GNU developers did want to keep as close to unix as possible, in order to make life easier for people who want to migrate, and to provide a general-purpose base for free sharing of modifications and improvements. The forkers like the BSD team however, wanted to tailor unix for their needs, for their specific use-case. Of course the operating system becomes something different in the process.

      Except that the HURD kernel (GNU's native) is radically different from any UNIX kernel, Stallman disagrees with all the unix's licenses, the GNU project doesn't endorse or even accept the legitimacy of any UNIX, and several very important GNU tools (emacs, gcc, gdb, etc) actively violate UNIX philosophy.

      You've got it backwards. Stallman set out to make a completely free (well, by his definition, anyway) ecosystem of tools. He actually didn't (and probably still doesn't) like UNIX philosophy very much, they just happen to have done much of the work for him. In contrast, even though they don't use any of the originial code due to lawsuits, the BSDs aimed to make an opensource reimplementation of the UNIX ideas, albeit it with different focuses. All of them stay true to the originials, and if you were to use OpenBSD or FreeBSD for a bit, they're a marked contrast to Stallman's dream of a modern day lisp machine.

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    27. Re:Which version of unix? by armanox · · Score: 1

      The only GNU package I find that I really miss on other operating systems and usually build is the bash shell. POSIX tar can be a pain (it's really nice to be able to type tar xjvf or tar xzvf instead of bunzip2 -c filename | tar xf -), but otherwise there isn't too much that is required (exempting stupid packages full of GCCisms that won't compile correctly using MIPSPro or SunStudio)

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    28. Re:Which version of unix? by armanox · · Score: 1

      Info is nice, but for many packages it just shows the man page anyway.

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    29. Re:Which version of unix? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      in the airline industry, anything like installing anything "optional" is a quick path to the unemployment line. We follow ITIL to the letter, nothing is done without a very detailed plan that also includes "rollback". Not because we really want to, but the FAA doesn't like it when some random app crashes planes so it's just not allowed. We have run books with very specific steps for everything; it all has to be documented and signed off on.

    30. Re:Which version of unix? by quetwo · · Score: 1

      UNIX was a property of AT&T (Bell Labs), and sold to Novell in the mid-nineties. Since Novell bought it, there hasn't been an operating that was truly UNIX. The last boxed copy of UNIX was in the early 90's... There have been many OSes that have licensed Unix and many more that were derivatives of it. BSD (which was based off UNIX System V) was one variant, and Linux was based off that.

    31. Re: Which version of unix? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Heh. Linux uses GNU applications and GNU's Not UNIX.

      Strictly speaking, Linux is UNIX-like. UNIX is an actual trademark for a multiuser, multitasking system which currently exists as UNIX System V Revision 4. There are three OS's today that are actually True UNIX: AIX, HP-UX, and Solaris.

    32. Re:Which version of unix? by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      Do you realize how old it makes you sound when you say that?

      You have no idea! I was old before you were born.
      You are but a dayfly, destined to live out your life before the sun sets... 8-}

      No offence meant. 8-)

  3. Re:Virtualize? by Duhfus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Possibly for the physical machines needing parts from eBay issue. I think their real problem is still needing to run on Windows 3.1, and once you address that (hopefully moving to something much more modern) you can solve the legacy machine part as well.

  4. Mainframes by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is why mainframe software lives on and on. It won't go out of fashion because it never was in fashion (except in the mid 60's) and there is so much mainframe code floating around that something or someone will always support it.

    1. Re:Mainframes by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And, more importantly, it's also why you can't always replace those mainframe systems: because it works, and has worked for decades.

      I've been on projects to replace aging mainframe stuff, some of which went back to the mid 60s or so.

      You could start off trying to design a replacement, gather requirements, and design something which works on your assumptions and in the limited use cases you've seen.

      And the more you delve into it, and discover all of the exceptions, corner cases, "didn't we tell you that?", sheer size of the data, all of the hairy bits, the 50 other systems which tie into that system and would also need to be replaced or updated ... you can quickly reach the point where you really can't design a system which does the same things, you can't replace all of the integration points, you can't even really map out all the logic and business rules embedded in that system.

      At the end of the day I've seen at least two such projects utterly fail.

      Say what you will about legacy mainframe stuff. But they work, are so closely tied into the entire business and other systems that you can't simply swap them out as easily as people think you can, and as often as not are vastly more complex than you can possibly know until it's too late.

      They're old, clunky, convoluted, and utterly mission critical. And when every other computer system in the company ties into them to extract data, you quickly realize you can't possibly update all of them.

      That, and you might also find that you simply can't match the performance and throughput of those damned things.

      A mainframe is a big lumbering beast. But it's a big lumbering beast which has kept the company moving for decades, hasn't had much in the way of downtime, has been expanded and added onto over the years, and in many cases will cost so much damned money to replace that nobody can afford to do it.

      The guys coming in thinking they can whip up something in .NET, running SQL server, and on one machine? They often have no idea of just how big of a task they're trying to take on.

      Personally, I would run screaming in the opposite direction from any project trying to replace a mainframe that's been in service for a long period. Because the scope of those things, and extent to which they interact with everything else in the company can be mind-boggling.

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    2. Re:Mainframes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. A thousand times, this. :(

    3. Re:Mainframes by deKernel · · Score: 1

      Hi Five there brother. I have been down that road which eventually ran right off the cliff for all the reasons you stated. We tried early on to explain, but I had a manager that confidence that we could handle everything in a timely manor. Needless to say, he is employed there anymore.

    4. Re:Mainframes by PRMan · · Score: 1

      I worked at a company where they were 8 years into a 2-year mainframe migration. And they had halted all mainframe development for over 5 years. I hear they are just about done, 3 more years later.

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    5. Re:Mainframes by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      SQL Server can do the job. you just have to spend a crapload of money on storage to separate all your drives and files and indexes and everything to it's own RAID1 volume for performance. none of this just put it on RAID5 and logs on RAID1. by the time you make it fault tolerant with the high priced storage, you just bought yourself a mainframe

    6. Re:Mainframes by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

      Mainframes aren't even obsolete. IBM still sells them, fully code compatible going all the way back to 1968 when the first System/360 mainframe shipped.

      Companies that use this stuff have big expensive support contracts with IBM. They don't replace it because it works. In fact it works so well that "the mainframe is down!" is seen as a HUGE DISASTER in the business process, akin to a building burning down.

      It's a whole different world than the modern idea of blades in a rack running Linux. And it still works today, which is why it sticks around.

    7. Re:Mainframes by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      thats why you have a management consultant whos whispering what needs done into the c suites ear. replacing old systems = replacing old business processes.

    8. Re:Mainframes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is finding qualified COBOL and FORTRAN programmers to support legacy applications.

    9. Re:Mainframes by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      LOL, not for an airline. We have racks of machines just running a single DB, blade servers for redundancy...this isn't some small business you buy off-the-shelf systems and stick it in a closet.

    10. Re:Mainframes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure... Unless you're a government contractor*... some young startup without all the cruft will soon replace your company.

      * Government almost makes a point of being outdated, overpriced, and wasteful. Not to mention "too big to fail." Which I believe is the perspective you're coming from.

      Full disclosure: I have worked both as a government contractor and private consultant for over 30 years so I might be biased :/

    11. Re:Mainframes by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      If you pay enough, you will "find" them. At least they exist. If you pick something obscure, even money may not be enough to bring them in.

    12. Re:Mainframes by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Microsoft plays too many games to "encourage" you to migrate. They may not outright pull the plug on legacy stuff, but they often make you jump through hoops to keep using older stuff. IBM seems to have gotten over trying that crap and realize if you run old stuff you are likely to keep buying IBM. MS sales is still caught in the upgrades=profits mode.

  5. No surprise... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I worked at the college bookstore warehouse in the early 1990's, we had an ancient IBM XT computer with dual 5.25" drives, an amber monitor and a dot matrix printer for printing shipping labels. It did that one job exceptionally well. I wouldn't be surprised if it still working there today.

    1. Re:No surprise... by Nyder · · Score: 2

      When I worked at the college bookstore warehouse in the early 1990's, we had an ancient IBM XT computer with dual 5.25" drives, an amber monitor and a dot matrix printer for printing shipping labels. It did that one job exceptionally well. I wouldn't be surprised if it still working there today.

      IBM XT computers were not ancient in the early 1990's.

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    2. Re:No surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like the bookstore at MICA, had an ancient system with a dot matrix printer that ran the inventory system built in RBASE. I think I was the only one there who could actually service the equipment it was so old.

    3. Re:No surprise... by armanox · · Score: 1

      I was still seeing VT102s in use at a Doctor's office in the Baltimore area about 5 years ago. Also last I saw in a large pharmacy near me (three years ago now?) they were still running DOS 6.22.

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    4. Re:No surprise... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      The IBM XT was nine years old when I started work in Spring 1992, running an 8088 processor. The 286, 386 and 486 processors were on the market, and the Pentium was on the horizon. By prevailing CPU standards, it was ancient.

    5. Re:No surprise... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Well, in 1993 I bought a 486 machine.

      A dual floppy IBM XT could be as old as 1983, ran an 8088, and ran at 4.77MHz.

      So, yes, by a lot of standards, an IBM XT was ancient in the early 90s. At the very least it was around 4-5 generations of CPU behind contemporary Intel offerings.

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    6. Re:No surprise... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Although the Records & Admission office at my local community college have updated PCs, each PC had a terminal emulator and a 9600 baud serial link to the mainframe computer.

    7. Re:No surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      true, but those systems were very expensive at the time. For cost reasons it wasn't unusual for 8088 and 8086 systems to still be in use in the early 90's despite better technology be available.

    8. Re:No surprise... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I think the label printer database was RBASE. The only person who knew how to tweak it was the Japanese exchange student who worked in the warehouse for a few years.

    9. Re:No surprise... by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

      You could still buy brand new PX/XT clones at the end of the eighties. They where good enough for most of the dos software of the day and hose things where generally very well built and lasted many years.

    10. Re:No surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you make a purchase at my local motorcycle shop today, the invoice date will be "11/13/1915".

      That gives a hint as to what kind of hardware still lives in the back office.

    11. Re:No surprise... by PRMan · · Score: 1

      I bought a 286 in 1990. By 1992, 8088s were ancient.

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    12. Re:No surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... dude? You are away that it's 2015 now, right? The "early" 1990s were ab out 25 years ago.

      You are a fsking moron.

    13. Re:No surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ancient? Hardly. There were millions upon millions of XT clones still in use.
      The only people with more than 640K were the few suckers who bought into Windows before it became an OS.
      Practically no software required a 286 or higher at that point.
      In 1992 I got a genuine IBM AT with a 6 MHz 286. It ran exactly the same software as my parents' 1985 7.14 MHz 8088.

    14. Re:No surprise... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Um... dude? You are aware that it's 2015 now, right? The "early" 1990s were about 25 years ago.

      You are a fsking moron.

      FTFY - Thank you for noticing my misbegotten youth.

    15. Re:No surprise... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Doom came out in 1993. My roommate gave me his old IBM AT (286) and bought a 386 with a whooping 4MB of RAM and an VGA video card to play the game. That started the race to upgrade to ever powerful computers to play the next-gen video game.

    16. Re:No surprise... by citylivin · · Score: 1

      Would you call a core 2 duo ancient then? About the same age now as your XT then.

      For what its worth, around the same time I was in a school that had loads of XT's and maybe one or two x86s. I believe the XTs were on a token ring network with a giant hub in the middle of the room and cables as thick as extension cords. So yes, they were quite common in 1992 and not at all ancient. This was the system that they taught school kids to type. In fact, i remember even using XT's in the school environment as late as 1997.

      I'd say 20 years minimum is needed for something to be called "ancient" in computing.

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    17. Re:No surprise... by CharlieG · · Score: 1

      I too had an original IBM PC (Model 5051) running in 1992. I wrote the code on it in the 1985 or so timeframe. It didn't do anything fancy, but did talk to a special board (a particular IEEE-488 card from CEC). It worked. It worked EVERY day. It did what it was supposed to do. We had a 386 doing the same exact thing one desk over, but why change it? The literally 10+ lbs of paperwork to make the change (did I mention it was doing stuff for the .MIL) wasn't worth it. If/when it died, we'd replace it with current hardware, and start the paperwork. I left in 1992, and from what I heard, when the company closed in 1993 or 1994 (owners retired) it was still working at the new company. Sometimes good enough is good enough

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    18. Re:No surprise... by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

      yep (but the xt's remained in the library till 2000 or so) I skipped the 286 and got a monster with a 80386sx@25Mhz and 2mb Ram.. what a difference..... Doom ran perfect on that thing, but then they had to make quake....

    19. Re:No surprise... by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

      My XT clone from '87 ran @ 8Mhz. (NEC V20 cpu) .... (but switched back automatically to 4.77Mhz during access to the disks etc). I also saw 10Mhz XT clones

    20. Re:No surprise... by ancientmyth · · Score: 1

      The 286 prices dropped dramatically as the 386 and 486 models came out. People gravitated towards compatibility with the new software that tried to keep some backward compatibility then, too. That said, vocational schools were popular as they used business' hand me downs (8086's).

    21. Re:No surprise... by ancientmyth · · Score: 1

      And even that was down a couple of versions. The 80486 being released in 89.

  6. Let the guy retire by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even if it is an old system, everyone knows you can easily fix things in UNIX by just clicking around the 3D interface for the right file which, when opened, will magically restore everything.

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    1. Re:Let the guy retire by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1, Informative

      and lock the dinosaurs back in their cages

    2. Re:Let the guy retire by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2

      and lock the dinosaurs back in their cages

      Well, it locks the cages...
      where the dinosaurs are at that moment is an external variable.

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    3. Re:Let the guy retire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because it lacks support to the dinosaur presence detector.

    4. Re:Let the guy retire by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      That's because it lacks support to the dinosaur presence detector.

      It doesn't "lack support" - it's just that the vendor won't open-source a binary blob that's necessary for the dinosaur presence detector kernel extension to function.

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    5. Re:Let the guy retire by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      You jest, but you do know that 3D interface was a real thing, that SGI built, right?

      If you happened to have an SGI UNIX machine which had this interface, it was real. At one point someone had gotten us an SGI box to port our software to .. so in 1996 I suddenly found myself staring at the interface going "wait, this is real?". Real, shipping software.

      So, if you had a sensible filesystem layout, and a single script to restart the system, it's shockingly not nearly as far fetched as you think.

      It really isn't a case of Hollywood making shit up. I've personally used that interface.

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    6. Re:Let the guy retire by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      You jest, but you do know that 3D interface was a real thing [wikipedia.org], that SGI built, right?

      You know that according to your own wiki, it labeled it as "experimental" right? That means most people who actually used Unix never saw it and never worked with it.

      If you happened to have an SGI UNIX machine which had this interface, it was real. At one point someone had gotten us an SGI box to port our software to .. so in 1996 I suddenly found myself staring at the interface going "wait, this is real?". Real, shipping software.

      Um your own link says: "Even though it was never developed to a fully functional file manager, . . . ". So some people may have gotten to see it if they had a SGI IRIX machine which unfortunately was eclipsed by many more IBM, Suns, HP-UX, etc. Even then I wouldn't call it "shipping" software.

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    7. Re:Let the guy retire by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know it was experimental. Yes, I know it wasn't widespread. Yes, I know that all UNIX systems did not have this.

      By the same token, a lot of people have probably never used HP-UX, Solaris, SunOS, AIX, DEC's Open UNIX (or whatever it was), or even a VAX. That doesn't mean they didn't exist.

      But if it was on the SGI IRIX workstation we had to port our software to, and if it was installed, it was real software. We sure as heck didn't go and install it.

      Now, in fairness, we had a pretty low end IRIX workstation, and the interface was dog slow. We fiddled with it for a little while and then put it away ... I'm sure on a really beefy machine it was awesome.

      That does not change my fundamental point that people who mock it because they don't know it existed are, in fact, wrong. It isn't a special effect, it isn't something some guy in Hollywood made up. It was a real thing.

      The interface existed. Period.

      I'm not saying it was common or widespread, or even ready for production. But since it was a company who made graphic workstations, it was the kind of demo they would do.

      Hell, the monitor might have even had the SGI logo on it in the screen frame of Jurassic Park.

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    8. Re:Let the guy retire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But first one has to mutter the magic words: "It's a UNIX system. I know this!"

    9. Re:Let the guy retire by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That's why you use grep and awk. You find the dinosaurs and then their exact locations.

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  7. Re:Virtualize? by alphatel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're both wrong. The reason why these machines weren't virtualized a while ago is that you have to make a lot of serial/parallel/ps2 conversions for ports that are truly physical. These are the types of programs that send specific voltage down the wires and expect exactly something specific in return. Lots of times you try to get those returns right and you simply can't anticipate the various bugs that amazingly show up just a few months after you convert. The real problem? Some are nearly unsolveable. You can't even figure out what the manufacturer/programmer was trying to achieve with their hardware interface so it's best to simply leave eveything as is. Half these people don't even work in computers anymore, let alone the vendor they were at in the 80's.

    This coming from a guy who espouses VMs every day on a variety of systems.

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  8. I would actually bet money by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 0

    I could get those apps running on Windows 7 x86 no problem.

    Not that is a solution, but its certainly better than what they have.

    1. Re:I would actually bet money by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have some old VB apps from the 3.1 era.

      Although it may be technically possible to get them running, it's certainly not as easy as just copying the files across and running the program.

      The fact that it is to do with weather suggests it interfaces with hardware of some kind or some external services. That's where you'll REALLY hit problems that just running as admin or renaming files or providing substitutes isn't going to fix.

      Good luck getting a driver from the 3.1 era working on anything at all nowadays, even emulated. You would literally just be better off throwing it out, starting again and suffering the inconvenience.

    2. Re:I would actually bet money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      These aren't appy apps! They're LUDDITE software that only LUDDITES use!

      Modern app appers would throw this shit out and app brand new apps using app apping apps!

      Apps!

    3. Re:I would actually bet money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The old system talks to hardware by sending specific voltage down analog connections (hot / cold pins). You would need to rebuild not only the system but all the systems it talks to (which could be a radar dish, an old school display, or anything else really).

      This is not the same as just replacing the computer OS, you are asking to rebuild the entire hardware interface.

    4. Re:I would actually bet money by prunus.avium · · Score: 1

      Good luck getting a driver from the 3.1 era working on anything at all nowadays, even emulated.

      Exactly. What the young-uns don't know is that the 3.1 era drivers - especially for customized hardware - were often loaded before the Windows 3.1 kernel and involved changing the interrupt vectors out from underneath the kernel.

    5. Re:I would actually bet money by PPH · · Score: 1

      Including support for some custom 8-but ISA bus cards? Good luck.

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    6. Re:I would actually bet money by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Good luck getting any serial port app to work correctly in Windows 7. We've never been able to.

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    7. Re:I would actually bet money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got entire manufacturing plants full of serial connected stuff. The secret is windows 7 32-bit.....

    8. Re:I would actually bet money by pekka5766 · · Score: 1

      I'll App to that!

  9. Orly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fucking hell, I'd much rather run a mission-critical system on Windows 3.1 than Windows 10. Complexity means more potential points of failure. Windows 10 is doing so much stuff all the time that it makes a horrendous option for a machine that's chugging along doing one thing predictably and reliably. As long as it's isolated from the wild, once something works, one leaves a system the fuck alone.

    If employment is an issue, employ more people. If hardware is an issue, virtualise on the most stable, simple possible hypervisor.

    1. Re:Orly? by godrik · · Score: 2

      Lol. Not sure you did it on purpose, but the airport that suffered the bug is "Orly" indeed! :)

    2. Re:Orly? by Tablizer · · Score: 1, Informative

      and less snoopware

    3. Re:Orly? by armanox · · Score: 1

      Hey - if they need employees who can maintain Windows 3.11 I know that I'd go for the right price. I still keep a Win 3.11 system running just for fun (along side my Windows Me laptop)

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    4. Re:Orly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I've got 3.11 in a VM. I'll gladly move to France for the job!

    5. Re:Orly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention simply running Windows Updates can result in 3rd party software being uninstalled!

      Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windo...

  10. Total infrastructure failure in many Countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think its clear that money is not being spent correctly in many countries and this goes from federal level all the way down to city. Cannot afford roads, bridges, and roads becoming toll roads to compensate. Cities, counties cannot buy equipment police cars, because no funds available. The FAA here in the US takes a decade or more to upgrade radar facilities only to realize by the time they finish the system will be outdated already. But now in terms of a Windows 3.1running a dedicated system. Other then hardware compatibility problems and finding parts. Is a older OS like 3.1 any worse in a dedicated operation then anything else?
    In my travels I am not surprised by how much old technology is being used and yet it seems to work just fine. The trouble with technology is that it becomes outdated very quickly, more so then other things. That leaves governments spending a lot of money to revitalize or replace a older system. As this problem gets worse it will be interesting to see how countries manage to address these problems with an ever growing money problem.

    1. Re:Total infrastructure failure in many Countries by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The problem with outdated, obsolete technology is maintenance. Nothing lasts forever, and a 25-year-old PC computer is going to fail at some point. Then you're not going to be able to find working replacement components, though you might be able to get by for a while by replacing capacitors or something. But at some point you're going to have a lot of trouble finding people willing and able to work on this stuff and keep it going. And yes, the prices end up going through the roof because you have to find specialists to do this stuff, and they charge a fortune. A highly skilled electronics tech could probably get an old PC like that working again, but his hourly cost isn't going to be cheap; you could buy an all-new server-grade PC for less that it'd cost to get him to diagnose and repair a component failure.

    2. Re:Total infrastructure failure in many Countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to buy some more RAM memory for my PC computer. Let me go find an ATM machine with an LCD display so I can use my PIN number to withdraw some money.

    3. Re:Total infrastructure failure in many Countries by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      At least you can do board work on the older systems the new ones have to many layers for that to work.

    4. Re:Total infrastructure failure in many Countries by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The components are all on the outside of the boards, so that doesn't really matter unless something happens to actually damage the PCB. And if that happens, it's generally not worth it to try to salvage the PCB anyway.

  11. Sacré bleu-screen! by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    Viva la Windows

    1. Re:Sacré bleu-screen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Viva *el Windows.

  12. Re: Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are plenty of data loggers that convert voltage to a nominal value. Agileaire makes a few for airmon pollution insturments so this can be done. They need to appoint an outside party that is not selg intrested in keeping the system stagnant .

  13. Re:Virtualize? by ISoldat53 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Shoulda used TRS80 and arcnet.

  14. Still use in Ukrane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In UKRANE, I have LASIK in 2014. Laser was controlled by computer run WINDOWS 3. Still work fine.

    1. Re:Still use in Ukrane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how is your Braille screen reader and speech dictation software working? :)

  15. Ha this is how my company makes all it's money by mt2mb4me · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We do third party support for out of warranty shit, The fun one over here (for us anyways) is MPE, Factories still run on this stuff, everyone who supports it is dying, it's hard to train new people to deal with the old way of doing things. But there is always a need somewhere. I don't see why Microsoft doesn't spend their resources for SAS for updates on antiquated software. They could probably hold their company indefinitely just running windows XP,7 or 8. The corporate licensing could compensate for security updates on the consumer side. In the early days upgrading all the time made sense. But how many different ways do you need to edit a document, or use Excel. These things are at a point. Windows is a stable operating system. Why should companies keep shelling out for new hardware, when for most people (not designers, or other power users) a core 2 duo is more than enough power. As to virutalizing, Not likely, and more importantly, not free. Windows 3.1 is 16 bit. If you didn't need access to any hardware (old network cards or specialty cards of any kind) there would be a shot. But this is pre HAL, it relies on BIOS for control of it's hardware. Also, even if you could virtualize, you would need to know the coders to fix all the bugs from the switch over. How do you do that in a live system that was pre-virtualization without making downtime. Downtime that isn't really available for an airport. Lastly, they have a system that "works" they would have to pay the capital investment to switch. (I know they should but hey they are French)

    1. Re:Ha this is how my company makes all it's money by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      They could probably hold their company indefinitely just running windows XP,7 or 8

      Corporations have to constantly grow, or they're considered "dying". MS isn't going to grow if they can't get customers to keep shelling out $$$ for new versions of the old software they're already using.

    2. Re:Ha this is how my company makes all it's money by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Downtime that isn't really available for an airport.

      Err no. That couldn't be further from the truth. Most airports around the world provide ample downtime on an almost daily basis. In the case of Paris-ORLY there's a noise abatement procedure that requires the airport to be down between 11pm and 6am every day. This is not an excuse. If major oil and gas pipelines can take an outage for upgrades at the cost of hundreds of millions of dollars then so can a crappy airport.

    3. Re:Ha this is how my company makes all it's money by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      Normally, each system has it's own scheduled maintenance window. We've even waited a few minutes so an app crash could be considered in that window so we didn't have to log an outage ticket.

    4. Re:Ha this is how my company makes all it's money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can still develop new OS's there is nothing stopping that, but there is no reason for an EOL, they should just charge for support.

      No company can force another company to spend money. They can try really hard, but the fact is, "I bought and own this, and I will use it till it doesn't work anymore" is a common mindset.

    5. Re:Ha this is how my company makes all it's money by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      No company can force another company to spend money. They can try really hard, but the fact is, "I bought and own this, and I will use it till it doesn't work anymore" is a common mindset.

      The corollary to that is that no customer can force a vendor to support an old product forever. They can try really hard, but the fact is, supporting obsolete stuff just isn't worth it most of the time. And they're definitely not going to do it for free.

      They can still develop new OS's there is nothing stopping that, but there is no reason for an EOL, they should just charge for support.

      How many customers are willing to pay $10 million per year per computer for support?

      Continuing to support old OSes (which are highly complex products remember) isn't a trivial effort. At some point, the amount of money customers are willing to pay for continued support just isn't enough to pay for the extra organizational overhead needed to do that. Don't forget that there's a lot of institutional memory in stuff like this: long-time employees have all the requisite knowledge, and a lot of it doesn't get written down. You can't just hire a bunch of new employees and put them to work supporting some 25-year-old software product; they're going to be lost. And the old-timers are going to age out or go find new jobs, and where are you going to find fresh new employees who want to have on their resume, "supported Windows 3.1 for 3 years"? No one really wants that job.

  16. Re:Virtualize? by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

    My favorite I've encountered about ATC systems is how the documentation lies. For example, how checksums are to be computed computed for a particular broad class of messages. The ARINC specs go into detail, with diagrams and everything about the computation process. But when you look at existing samples of code, they don't do this - they do this weird thing with a lookup table and uncalled-for bitshifts and the like. After spending a day or so studying the code, I finally figured out what they were trying to do - they were trying to "optimize" the algorithm in the specs. But in the process they made it deviate from what is actually supposed to be computed in about four different ways (plus, their "optimizations" don't actually save compute time, the simple math operations are faster than the lookup in the "precompute" table that they made).

    So what do we do when we need to compute and check checksums? We use the wrong code, of course! It's what's "out in the wild", so who cares what the specs say we're supposed to use, it's what we have to use if we want checksums to ever to come up valid. Hopefully they'll eventually update the specs to reflect the reality.

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  17. 20 years? by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's not a long time at all. How old is our perfectly functional ordinary telephone? If computers are going to remain so maintenance intensive, the damn things will never really be any good. We have to be able to plug it in and ignore it for those 20 years, until the smoke leaks out

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    1. Re:20 years? by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Do you think consumer electronics that have seen a nominal amount of usage over 20 years will be still working? Probably not, and that includes your telephone example. I don't think there is anything special either way about computers.

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    2. Re:20 years? by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      Do you think consumer electronics that have seen a nominal amount of usage over 20 years will be still working? Probably not, and that includes your telephone example.

      Ever seen a Model 500 telephone or one of it's successors? Chances are that they are well over 20 years old. Some that are still in use may have been 20 years old 20 years ago.

    3. Re:20 years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err, my phone is 34 years old and works great

    4. Re:20 years? by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I am not talking about a completely analog phone- that is a ridiculous example. How about a 20 YO cell phone, or answering machine or cordless phone?

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    5. Re:20 years? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      We have to be able to plug it in and ignore it for those 20 years, until the smoke leaks out

      We did, and it is.

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    6. Re:20 years? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      We had TV sets that lasted over 20 years easy, and with user replaceable parts. It's not hard to find a working fifty year old radio. And I have a ~70 year old telephone (Western Electric Model 302) that makes a handy weapon that can be used more than once, blood stains wash right off... if you do it quickly, before it dries.

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    7. Re:20 years? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Do you think consumer electronics that have seen a nominal amount of usage over 20 years will be still working?

      It used to be normal for electronics to last for twenty years. People used to throw away stereo systems because they got dirty volume pots and they were too cheap and/or lazy to fix them. Now they throw them away because they lose an audio channel.

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    8. Re:20 years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you haven't seen the resurgence in retro-gaming.

      Some NES games are nearly 30. SNES and Genesis Games are 25-ish. The N64 turned 19 in June. I can't speak for everyone, but all of my cartridges still work. My SNES and N64 both work remarkably well too. As long as the contacts are clean, they start the game first time.

    9. Re:20 years? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      This kind of thing was something deliberately over-engineered because the phone company didn't wanna deal with it after putting it in your house. See, when you pay for it monthly, they can't charge a repair fee.

      > Microsoft...is trying to convince everyone Windows 10 is a bright up-and-comer.

      Well, that's better than Windows 8, where Microsoft was trying to convince everyone it was a 12 year old with unusually large breasts.

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    10. Re:20 years? by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Lots of old electronics work, lots of them don't work. Same with computers. A very simple point.....

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    11. Re:20 years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Hoover dam is nearly 80 years old. It would surprise me a lot if there wasn't still transmission equipment in operation there from when it was first commissioned. I've been to several shortwave transmitter sites where the transmitters are over 50 years old, in original operating condition (except for modifications to switch from AM to DCC-AM modulation). Half the test equipment in my home electronics lab is over 30 years old. Many pieces of test equipment in my companies high end R&D lab are over 30 years old. We have test equipment running AIX, MS-DOS and Windows 3.11. We used to have a lithographic mask writer machine running off a PDP-11, but that finally died and the computer was replaced with a "PC" emulating a PDP-11 (PC has some expensive custom interface boards for the machine). The great thing about old PCs, is that they are all PTH and the parts that fail are easily replaced with a soldering iron, even by someone fairly inexperienced.

      If the computer doesn't need to work faster or handle more data or more users, the only reason to replace it is because either you can't interface with it anymore (and you should have plans in plac to avoid this), or because it's proving to be too unreliable to carry on with it. And 1980s to early 1990s silicon is some of the most reliable in history, fixing up boards and power supplies with new capacitors only makes them more reliable (though does introduce new infant mortality problems).

      A common rule in our lab, and in many other labs and high reliability environments, is that old gear is more reliable because you can remove the infant mortality term from the equation as the bad old gear has already died, survival of the fittest style. Of course, after you do a repair on a piece of equipment, it now has a renewed chance to fail, from the replaced components failing, or from stress induced in other components by the repair.

      As a side-track: in clean rooms, equipment is kept in service longer, even when it might be advantageous to replace it, due to the high cost of cleaning new gear to a sufficient standard for installation, and that ANY equipment moves in that environment will cause a particle count increase and may require a suspension of operations while the air quality returns to an acceptable level.

    12. Re:20 years? by ancientmyth · · Score: 1

      In the early 90's I worked on equipment that was manufactured in the 70's. Electronics were expected to last 20 years then because they were designed for that. But it was expensive. As cheaper metals were used for electronics, driving down their cost, so did their life expectancy.

  18. I'd take that bet. by prunus.avium · · Score: 3, Informative

    Primarily because I'm betting the interface from that Windows 3.1 machine has some very specific DOS "driver" (TSR for us old-timers) that even Windows 95 would kill.

    There were some very interesting hacks that could be done on a DOS box. I remember writing a TSR that bumped up the system timer to allow a finer grain on the timer events. It also sent out the "normal" system event to the rest of the OS so Windows would keep running.

    1. Re:I'd take that bet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That and it is a win31 app. You got it running on that specific box. DONT FUCK WITH IT. Win31 != win95 != XP ~= win7.

      Win31 was a DOS application with a horrible system file management. XP and up at least has some semblance of 'dont break the system'. You could literally load something up in memory in autoexec.bat/config.sys and it would still live on in win31 and you could use it there.

      You could have an application that could tromp all over another one in win31. You did not get that nice memory segmentation until win95. Then if your program relied on it you are screwed if you moved up to win95.

      Win31 programs are harry little beasts that are best forgotten. You can train them live in win95 and even a 32 bit ver of win7 (not 64 bit) but be ready for a world of pain. We would usually quote out 3-6 months just to figure out the 16->32 bit issues much less the functions that are slightly different.

      MS did a decent job on backwards compat. But there are some pretty large holes that you need to worry about at this point. MS is not going to fix it.

    2. Re:I'd take that bet. by prunus.avium · · Score: 1

      Global memory allocation for the WIN!

      Who needs IPC when you can just allocate a memory block and have ALL of the processes use it?

      Sure, there's the minor issue of running out of system RAM but as long as everyone plays nice, there shouldn't be any problems. Right?

  19. Re:Virtualize? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    you have to make a lot of serial/parallel/ps2 conversions for ports that are truly physical.

    I got a drawer full of adapters if you need any... Parallel, serial switches, you name it.

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  20. Windows 3.1? O RLY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows 3.1? O RLY?

  21. It's Warped by stereoroid · · Score: 1

    I remember trying ti buy a train ticket at the Charles de Gaulle airport station after flying in, in 2005. The queues were horrendous, and then one of ticket machines crashed, and all the people in queue swore and walked away. Except for me, since I recognised that the machine was running OS/2 Warp. By having the patience to wait a couple of minutes for it to reboot, I effectively jumped the queue. It took only three tries to get the machine to accept my credit card ... I hope their systems are a bit better today.

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    1. Re:It's Warped by ancientmyth · · Score: 1

      I usually have 3 drinks on the flight if i see a screen and recognize the underlying OS (Windows anything).

  22. Running Windows 3.1 Orly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya Rly

    NO WAI!

  23. So cute by ITRambo · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're so cute when they're young. But so clumsy. Someday this little Windows 3.1 machine will grow up to be bigger stronger, just not any faster.

  24. Re:Virtulize? - Emulate?!! by ripvlan · · Score: 4, Funny

    > [ Or emulate ] ....In a Browser.

  25. Hardware or software? by lurker412 · · Score: 1

    TFA doesn't say. The software (including Win 3.1) may still be doing just what it always did correctly, which might explain why it hasn't been replaced.

  26. GNU == GNU is not Unix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GNU == GNU is not Unix. That's why almost nobody refers to GNU/Linux as Unix. We usually say Linux.
    By the way, *BSD is not GNU, MacOS is not GNU, HPUX is not GNU, Solaris is not GNU, but all of them are Unixes.
    Now, GTFO to the cave you came from!

    1. Re:GNU == GNU is not Unix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux only has no official POSIX certification because it can be configured using menuconfig, and is not just a static piece of codeshit like Solaris or *BSD.

      Stop spreading lies.

    2. Re:GNU == GNU is not Unix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a lie. It's in the name. GNU/Linux has "Not Unix" in the name, therefore when one says Unix they mean something else, and would mean something else even if GNU/Linux was POSIX-compliant, just because of the name.

    3. Re:GNU == GNU is not Unix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Telling a little Penguin that it can't be an Unixorn is as cruel and discriminatory as telling a little girl that she can't be a developer. Your comment insults all girls who secretly want to become developers but who get blocked by society! Do you want to give the little girls an oppurtunity, or do you want to destroy their lives?

    4. Re:GNU == GNU is not Unix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Girls who want to become developers express that in the open. There is no reason to hide.

    5. Re:GNU == GNU is not Unix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GNU plus Linux expresses the fact that it is an Unix on many countless occasions.

    6. Re:GNU == GNU is not Unix by armanox · · Score: 1

      The SunOS kernel and the BSD kernel can be recompiled with various options pretty easily too, so that argument falls flat.

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    7. Re:GNU == GNU is not Unix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are both wrong. You lose your POSIX certification if you recompile Solaris. Linux doesn't have POSIX certification because nobody has bothered to pay for it (and it would likely need to be recertified on a frequent basis, and given how fragmented Linux distributions are, it's not likely to happen)

    8. Re:GNU == GNU is not Unix by armanox · · Score: 1

      I wasn't saying that recompiling it didn't void the cert, I was just saying the kernel can be recompiled. And yes, you are right. You would have to certify say RHEL 6.5 on x86, RHEL 6.6 on x86, and RHEL 6.5 on x64 all separately, and definately a re-certification for each distribution (fun fact, only OS X 10.4 and up on Intel hardware has been certified UNIX, the PPC versions never were)

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  27. TRS-80 still in use by tekrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering I still use a TRS-80 Model 100 on a regular basis (great keyboard!), Systems using Windows 3.1 do not surprise me.

    Then again, I work for a bank, login to a mainframe and review COBOL code that dates back into 1980... So, yeah. I'm not surprised.

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    1. Re:TRS-80 still in use by prunus.avium · · Score: 5, Funny

      1980? Wow. You got the new stuff.

    2. Re:TRS-80 still in use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TRS-80 Model 100 was the shit. 80C85 FTW ! Best keyboard ever -- with the original IBM.
      (Not that big of a screen thought :-) )

    3. Re:TRS-80 still in use by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

      "I...review COBOL code that dates back into 1980... "

      You wouldn't happen to be the missing COBOL programmer that ExxonMobil has been trying to track down to upgrade the TANDEM system that he created in the early 80's, are you?

      If so, they've spent a FORTUNE on P.I.'s looking for you! You should call them....

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    4. Re:TRS-80 still in use by metaforest · · Score: 1

      I have two fully functional mod 100's and a NEC PC-8201A. While they are not daily drivers, I am in the process of reengineering them to be more capable, and still support the old firmware. The goal is to create a system that replaces the MOBO and the antiquated I/O with modern equivalents and still supports all the core features of the system, as well as enabling more modern interfaces.

      The Mod 100 is one of the toughest laptop designs out there... I used one for taking notes in Olympic National Park during my stint as a volunteer back country ranger in the mid-90's. It easily handled running for 10 days on one set of batteries (4 AA) and storing all of my daily field notes. It was light and happily survived getting banged around in my field kit. It also easily interfaced with the aging PC XT that the ranger station used for storing our field notes. Simple serial cable interface to DOS on the host PCXT allowed me to stream my notes into a text file and then copy them into the logging system that the park service used to record rangerly activities. The other rangers had a rough time comprehending my madness at first. It took less than a half hour to finish my tour by filing my reports in the station. It took the others hours to do it by typing in their hand-written field notes. I think some of them started to see the light.

      The keyboard alone is an amazingly beast that few modern keyboards can beat for feel or reliability even under harsh conditions... Anyone who has spent 6 months touring the back country in the Olympics for 10 days out of 14 at a time knows what I am talking about.

  28. 32 bit disk access and 32 bit file access does not by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    32 bit disk access and 32 bit file access does not work that well in VM.

    also this likely needs real serial parallel ports maybe even custom PCI / ISA cards. Can you do ISA pass though in VM? Will even a PCIe to ISA Bridge work with the cards out side of a VM?

  29. Re:Virtualize? by ripvlan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Very true I'm sure. But I also believe in "where there's a will, there's a way"

    I've been in these kinds of discussions. The Cost to figure out or build such a gap-device is too-large, or equal to "just rewrite it in modern tech." So everyone waits for another 10 years while the rewrite doesn't happen. Rather than picking it apart and refactoring a bit here and there - wait for the big bang!!

  30. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another problem area is clocks. You can bet air traffic control software is going to care a lot about clock behavior. Clocks in VMs don't behave the same as they do when running on hardware. Native x86 hardware is already plagued with collection of badly designed clocks and adding the VM layer just makes that worse.

  31. Dirty Little Secret by danmoran · · Score: 1

    Every organization of any appreciable size has a room where they keep systems that were never upgraded and that hold data that has never been migrated to newer systems, but which they might need someday. Often, it's simply a matter of CYA, that no one wants to be the one who eliminated "System X".

  32. Re: Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    +100

  33. Amateurs ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oooo, they have to rummage on eBay! If they can still get replacement parts on eBay then hardware is not an issue yet.

    Wait until they find themselves with a dedicated hardware maintenance team that breaks out soldering irons and welding torches to fix some HW using the broken remnants of beyond-hope HW because there is nowhere else in the world to get replacement parts.

  34. Learn from the railroads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Demand support nearly forever. When steam was replaced here in the mid 50s to late 60s, the average age of the replaced engines were around 50 years. The replacement engines are still in operation. The main reason is safety. When designing a new locomotive, the manufactor spend a fortune verifying the performance, which is then added to the price (naturally). On delivery of the first of its kind, it goes through a whole lot of testing and documentation to ensure that it's not too heavy for the track, works with the signal system and all that stuff. It takes time and cost millions. It's a lot cheaper once the type is certified, but they are still tested with non-free tests. This makes buying a used already certified engine quite attractive and as a result, spare parts are produced for many decades after production stopped. It's a demand from the railroads and supplying those parts makes manufactors trustworthy enough to be candidates for new engines expected to be used for at least 30 years, likely more than that.

    Computers are way too short lived. Powerplants/grid, railroad signals, air traffic control and so on are hard to replace systems and once they have something working, they want to stick to their systems as long as possible. They make horrible contracts since they are unable to get the spare parts they need. The US army invented VHDL to give a description of the work of a chip and you would not be able to sell to the army without VHDL code. The idea is that if the army needs a replacement chip 20 years later and the original company went out of business, they can send the VHDL code to another company and say "make this chip using housing XYZ". That will ensure they don't have to scrap helicopters or whatever because a single chip went out of production. Civilians should be equally demanding for critical systems.

    1. Re:Learn from the railroads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, if you want to spend as much as a locomotive, you can do that. It's called a mainframe. They are supported forever.

    2. Re:Learn from the railroads by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The problem is that that approach you describe with VHDL doesn't actually work. The Army has all kinds of problems sourcing obsolete parts these days. If what you described actually worked, they'd just get someone to fab the chips for them.. But they don't, they source them from all kinds of weird little suppliers of NOS components, and frequently end up getting counterfeit stuff from China.

      Moreover, there's a lot more to a chip design than the HDL code. You can't just give some foundry some HDL code and have them spit out an Intel processor.

      If you want continuous support for electronics like this, you have to keep up with what's going on in the industry, and continuously upgrade your designs to use modern parts. There's no other way to do it, unless you have a really simple design that can be built with discrete circuits and doesn't need any ASICs. You could do much of your designs in Verilog and make your hardware FPGA-based, and then just upgrade to newer FPGAs over time, since porting Verilog code to newer FPGAs isn't that hard, but it's still not a simple solution requiring absolutely no redesign. There's just no such thing.

  35. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your funny, guy.

  36. So much for the Y2K bug. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just yet more proof that the Y2K bug was overblown (as if we needed more evidence).

    1. Re:So much for the Y2K bug. by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      This is just yet more proof that the Y2K bug was overblown (as if we needed more evidence).

      Ha! Y2K was not overblown, even though the media had fun with it.
      Thousands of people worked very long hours to make sure it -seemed- overblown. And were mostly successful!

      I worked on a lot of PC programs that malfunctioned after 2000. Luckily none of those were critical... but others were.

    2. Re:So much for the Y2K bug. by ancientmyth · · Score: 1

      I'm curious what programs that were 'critical' other than payroll. Most of the hype surrounding the y2k bug was whether mechanics would just stop. Other than reports, nothing happened. Elevators, shipyards, medical equipment, and toasters were all safe.

    3. Re:So much for the Y2K bug. by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      There must have been some things, an aweful lot of people were explicitly working on it!

      I worked on a number of PCs that refused to boot during that January. In those day many PCs had to have the ROM chip replaced, no flashing. Luckily many were in sockets back then. Some people that couldn't get updates, or didn't want to bother, just set the date back 4 years, so the days of the month would be the same.

      Many applications could not find data in their databases. Some had unchecked error conditions that caused GPFs. In those day a lot less machinery had computer controls. But, many did and some of it was very old, just like today.

      Much effort was spent on dangerous machines and I am not aware of any that were still giving problems in the date tests, on January first.
      After all, the computers and networks could have the date changed for testing, before it actually happened. Some companies built extensive isolated systems just to simulate what would happen. By the time year 2000 came everyone (well most) had been fixing for a while.

      And then when we were successful, the news media said that it had all been a fraud! 8-(
      But then this was often the same news people that had been encouraging people to spit on the returning soldiers from Vietnam, a few years before! So we sort of expected it...

  37. Re:Virtualize? by ebh · · Score: 2

    Probably needs a 20ma current loop to drive the ASR-33 Teletype.

  38. Oh the irony! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know if /. did this on purpose, but having the Amdahl story right before this was a perfect juxtaposition. Well done!

  39. The airport in Orly is run on Windows 3.1 by Kevin108 · · Score: 1

    O rly?
    Ya rly.

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  40. Re: Virtualize? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    They are... However you will need to make new software to interact with it.

    It is a case of Organic design, where a small app to make your job easier becomes a vital infrastructure, and was never designed for future upgrades.

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  41. Re:Virtualize? by Coren22 · · Score: 2

    I'm not your guy, pal

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  42. Re:Virtualize? by Coren22 · · Score: 2

    Please don't, he will just spam this thread some more.

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  43. Re:Virtualize? by 0x15e · · Score: 1

    Is it really that common for the software to need such specific voltages and timing? How would you get to those values from software running on a PC?

    I ask because I just got done implementing some very old vending hardware (some 1200 baud, some 9600 baud serial) and although they were ancient and badly documented, none really needed anything I'd call exotic.

  44. Re:Virtualize? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    I think we need *more* APK spam. As it is, there's a lot of it and it's a big nuisance, but no one's doing anything to fix the problem.

    We need to have so much APK spam that the site becomes completely unusable. That's the only way the idiotic management around here is finally going to step up and do something about the problem.

    A lot of times, you have to completely burn something down before you can rebuild something better.

  45. Understatement of the century. by geekmux · · Score: 1

    "Maintenance is a problem."

    No shit. Really?

    I'm guessing the business justification to replace these systems has read about as benign as this understatement for decades now.

    Let's hope for the city of Paris learns a lesson here when one of the three people supporting this system agrees to fix it at the rate of $500,000/hr. (2 hour minimum of course).

    1. Re:Understatement of the century. by armanox · · Score: 1

      Hey - I'd fly from the States to fix it for that price.

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    2. Re:Understatement of the century. by ancientmyth · · Score: 1

      There's no time to replace them. Hours are very strict when it comes to IT work; and probably residential requirements as well. You pay a huge fine when you require outside of regulated business hours.

    3. Re:Understatement of the century. by geekmux · · Score: 1

      There's no time to replace them. Hours are very strict when it comes to IT work; and probably residential requirements as well. You pay a huge fine when you require outside of regulated business hours.

      Huge fines, eh?

      I wonder what the price tag is when you put all your eggs in one basket with no backup.

      I would say good luck to them, but ignorance needs to be punished to avoid it being perpetuated through another generation of incompetence.

  46. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are talking about USB to serial adapters, those don't work 99% of the time due to not being able to control all the lines like GP is talking about.

  47. No brainer... by bwcbwc · · Score: 0

    Despite the fact that any comment other than "WTF?!?" is superfluous, here goes.
    1) The most egregious example of IT Budget cost management gone awry that I'm aware of. No system overhaul for 25+ years??
    2) God I hope this system isn't networked to anything that even indirectly connects to the internet. Otherwise - terrorists win!
    3) I wonder if they're running under DOSBox already.

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  48. Re:Virtualize? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    http://slashdot.org/~Coren22/c...

    I think he is spamming quite enough. But that could be just me.

    I am doing my best to highlight the problem to Dice, we will see if they ever do anything about it. I doubt there is much that can be done to block his "Bridge" method (really a proxy...) of spamming Slashdot, but maybe if it becomes enough of a problem they will do something about it.

    I'm all for watching it all burn though.

    --
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  49. Ehh, sorry... by Ecuador · · Score: 1

    Ehh, sorry to break it to you, but not all Unix installations come with SGI's File System Navigator. So in those installations, your best bet would be to create a GUI interface using VB and track the IP.

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  50. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not your pal, friend.

  51. Don't know why you got modded down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was the perfect (and in this case, funny) retort to Skuld-Chan's ridiculous claim.

  52. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not your friend, mate.

  53. Underrated (n/t) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (text included to bypass slashdot lameness filter)

    1. Re:Underrated (n/t) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It exists precisely to catch shit like this.

  54. UNIX is old...? by jjn1056 · · Score: 1

    "The airport actually runs on a variety of old systems, including Windows XP and UNIX."

    Depending on what actual operating system this is, just because its UNIX doesn't mean its old.

    If it was some version of SunOS UNIX, yeah I'd say its old :)

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  55. That's what they get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for not upgrading to Windows for Workgroups 3.11.

  56. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shoulda used TRS80 and arcnet.

    For those who don't know, Arcnet was an early networking system much favored in the Old West for its ability to use barbed wire instead of UTP cabling

  57. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 signature games + lies about apk brought it on & you're crying about it crybaby libeler? Hahahahahahahahahaha wuss.

  58. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    some of these softwares also used in scientific stuff, run lisences fees so high that it's easier to buy that i386 laptop with ports and run dos on it... instead of buying 20k usd lisence for xp whatnot version :D which then in turn requires you to buy new probes etc... that cost 1k+ usd each :D

  59. Re:Virtualize? by unixisc · · Score: 1

    You're both wrong. The reason why these machines weren't virtualized a while ago is that you have to make a lot of serial/parallel/ps2 conversions for ports that are truly physical. These are the types of programs that send specific voltage down the wires and expect exactly something specific in return. Lots of times you try to get those returns right and you simply can't anticipate the various bugs that amazingly show up just a few months after you convert. The real problem? Some are nearly unsolveable. You can't even figure out what the manufacturer/programmer was trying to achieve with their hardware interface so it's best to simply leave eveything as is. Half these people don't even work in computers anymore, let alone the vendor they were at in the 80's. This coming from a guy who espouses VMs every day on a variety of systems.

    Is there a compelling reason that Windows of any version is needed here? Looks like the underpinnings here are DOS. So if they get computers that have just 1MB of RAM, fired up w/ FreeDOS, that should work well and run all the apps in question, right? In fact, it would be not just possible, but actually feasible, to have a single chip computer - say a 486 at 1GHz w/ 1MB of RAM and 1GB of SSD that would be a much faster computer for the same software. Since it's FreeDOS, one needn't depend on Microsoft for anything - just get an IT team to manage it.

  60. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not your mate, buddy.

  61. Re:Virtualize? by MagickalMyst · · Score: 2

    Electric barbed wire.

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  62. Machines not designed to last 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But, it takes longer than 20 years to design, develop, test, and more importantly, obtain agency approvals for a new system.. So....

  63. Re:Virtualize? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Last time I looked most motherboards still seem to have the headers (RS232, etc) needed to make stuff work. if not, you plug in an expansion card. That's how I'm doing it on a guy's win7 machine running ancient shit made for DOS. Win7 only only there to run the drivers for the card.

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  64. Cheapskate power 10 by aepervius · · Score: 1

    Look I understand the desire to spare, but there are a heap of vendor which propose this exact service (I work for one !) and i doubt it is connected to anything for which tehre would not be an interface we handle already (from MATIP to other weird protocol), even going to change format for you, all on modern cheap hardware. having anything that run 3.1 when it should be easily to get for cheap such a service.... So if there is no incredibly rare hardware unknown protocol reason, then it is cheer stupidity.

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  65. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feel free to try yourself, as it is easy enough to troll APK into posting vast numbers of posts with minimal amount of effort on your part, especially when you get him to start creating arguments with himself and whole threads pop up with almost the same timestamp. But there have already been stories like this one where his garbage has spread to nearly 80% of the 250 posts to the story.

  66. favored by universities and start-ups in the '80s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of ADP's machines run on UNIX [an operating system favored by universities and start-ups in the '80s. Some of Slashdot's posters are morons [a type of journalist favored by blogs and news regurgitation websites]. When you encounter this type of journalist, stop reading and move on to the next article.

  67. Re:Virtulize? - Emulate?!! by selectspec · · Score: 1
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  68. Re:Virtulize? - Emulate?!! by selectspec · · Score: 1
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    Someone you trust is one of us.

  69. Re:Virtualize? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Does the poor baby need more attention?
    Is he crying because his diaper needs changing?

    You are pretty sad, but keep it up, it doesn't bother me one bit, buddy.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  70. Re:Virtualize? by Drethon · · Score: 1

    One problem is when you get to the specs written by companies that use the same protocols. On the civil GPS unit I had to communicate with, the specification on the CRC protocol left out half of what you needed to know. So we just used a CRC table for another application that produced results that the GPS unit accepted. Of course the original CRC code was about a decade old but... yay?

  71. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?

    "I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.

    "posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)

    No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!

    "I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    BS - See my last 4 posts here!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#5 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk

  72. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, sure but who's the crybaby http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ? Hahahahahaha wuss. You like dishing it out with your signatures, libel, and lies but you sure can't take it when it's done to you assburgers outism damaged goods little trolling scum.

  73. Re:Virtualize? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're both wrong. The reason why these machines weren't virtualized a while ago is that you have to make a lot of serial/parallel/ps2 conversions for ports that are truly physical. These are the types of programs that send specific voltage down the wires and expect exactly something specific in return.

    Ironically, you just named three ports where that's either not the case, or trivial to achieve. All PC keyboard ports are digital 5V, there are only two kinds of signaling, and nobody was using the old kind by the time Windows 3.1 came out. All PC parallel ports are digital 5V. And by definition, RS-232 is 12V, although many if not most ports will accept a 5V signal. (If you hook up any outgoing lines, though, you may well murder any 5V serial devices you hook up, if they don't have a real MAX232 in them.)

    The real problem is that a lot of these PCs have ISA-bus interface cards in them, and their drivers are often crap that is pissy about timings. Even a really high-speed PC is enough to make them not work. In order to reasonably replace these devices, you have to analyze the circuit and/or connection to figure out what the original control board was doing, throw it away, and replace it with something else. These days you might reasonably replace it with any little microcontroller board, like an Arduino. They are faster than early PCs were! But first you have to figure out how. Those boards also often included a specialty power supply to drive whatever-it-was, so you've got to replace that as well.

    Most of the time it's going to make more sense to throw it all away and start with a new thing. But it's not impossible, just expensive.

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  74. Re:Virtualize? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    That is crying in your world? You must be pretty sensitive if you think that. I was saying that you were posting quite enough to be penalized by the Slashdot editors, but you can take it as me rolling on the ground crying my eyes out if you want...it doesn't make it true though.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  75. Re:Virtualize? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    OMG, that is comedy gold, so now APK thinks he is a visualization and datacenter expert too. Another feather for him to claim he has in his cap.

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    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  76. Workstation version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows NT 3.1 (32 bits)

  77. Re:32 bit disk access and 32 bit file access does by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    In theory, you could use something like Intel VT-d to grant exclusive access to that PCI-to-ISA bridge to that VM. It might take a bit of work, but that's the kind of thing that VT-d is for.

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  78. Re: Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not your buddy, compadre.

  79. doubt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I rather doubt it was a Windows glitch. I won't even bet on software at all.
    I would guess a sensor or a lead. TFA doesn't say what it actually was.

    (finally remembers to steal a battery from the office for the 386)

  80. Re: Virtualize? by Hylandr · · Score: 1

    >Your funny, guy.

    You're a funny guy.

    ftfy

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  81. Re: Virtualize? by SumDog · · Score: 1

    I have a feeling they only have one set of hardware. You can't just plug in the 2nd set of sensor wires and ensure they work with protocol converters or reverse engineer them. Even if there is a 2nd system, it's probably a backup that always needs to be ready.

    I'm sure modern airports have newer equipment and there are probably specialized companies that can come in and install newer hardware and get it up and running side by side the old stuff so you can then take the old stuff down (or turn it into a backup), but that stuff doesn't come cheap. For smaller cities, they probably just don't want to spend the money on the airport.

  82. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 tell us about how apk said ad doesn't need dns. Tell us about how his program needs admin priveleges on updating. Tell us about your signatures about apk. Tell us about how you know you're wrong on them while you're at it crying to dice crybaby troll.

  83. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 tell us where apk said ad doesn't need dns. Tell us how his program is a virus and needs admin priveleges to run. Tell us about your signatures about apk. Tell us about how you know you're wrong on them while you're at it crying to dice crybaby troll.

  84. Re:Coren22 I tried to make peace w/ you 3x by Coren22 · · Score: 2

    You do realize that there are around 10 people who mention your crap in their signatures right?

    Perhaps you should read Slashdot sometime with an accoutn logged in. You already stated previously that you created an account (I think it was AlecStar) for the Carmack interview I beleive, just use it and see what we all say "behind your back" (because you not logging in is somehow our fault).

    KGIII busted your mistake on AD too!

    What crack are you smoking? Here is his comment, in full, including his (current) signature. Where does he say a DAMN thing about AD?

    An interesting note... In an earlier thread, I saw that APK quoted your signature. I do believe that signatures are not visible unless the user is logged in. APK has stated, numerous times, that they have no account. I'm unsure of what to make of it but I did find it amusing though I probably should have commented in that thread. Alas, I'm too lazy... Well, technically, it didn't cross my mind.

    As stated, I have no idea what to make of it. I just noticed the comment that quoted your signature. Personally, I don't mind 'em but that's just me. I'm pretty easy to get along with, most of the time. ;-)

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."

    Yeah, I said I would change the sig, but it is apparent you can't read them, because you are proving my signature correct!

    --
    Making APK lose his mind one post at a time, it looks like I have succeeded.

    You have lost your mind now, you just keep posting all this crap while people bitch about how annoying you are. No one but you actually reads these, and no one cares what you put there.

    How about this, no matter what you do, post, say, scream, cry, whimper, or shout; I WILL NOT CHANGE MY SIGNATURE AT YOUR DEMAND. I am an independent person, and no matter what you do, you cannot force me to do your bidding, and for spite, I will do what I want just to piss you off. That is how the world works. I am sorry you think you have some kind of control, and that you think that acting like a petulant little child because you didn't get your way will work, but it will never work with me.

    Have a good day sir, and Thanks for all the Fish.

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  85. Fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For a not-even-slightly modest fee, I will do an FPGA emulation that plugs into PCIe, and write the interface to the virtualisation too.

    OR

    build an Arduino based interface that conects via USB 1.0^H^H^H 2.x^H^H^H 3.y^H^H^H OK, maybe I won't use USB - it will probably be obsolete before the software is debugged.

  86. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well for starters, if you don't want specific keys trapped like that, then configure your window / login manager to not use them. Secondly, it's usually something like ALT+F keys that are trapped, not the F keys by themselves.

    Not an OS issue.

    1. Re:Really? by vrt3 · · Score: 1

      Secondly, it's usually something like ALT+F keys that are trapped, not the F keys by themselves.

      WordPerfect made heavy use of ALT+Fn, CTRL+Fn, SHIFT+Fn.

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  87. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

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    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap fraud also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk

  88. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "nowhere in there did you actually say what you are using that isn't a proxy/VPN" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    I don't use proxies/VPN (or anonymous relays).

    "APK ... uses anonymous relays to get around the limits of posting anonymous" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I'm not stupid enough to do what YOU want (make me as stupid as an easily tracked for retrolling sheep like you).

    There's 3-4 ways to do what I do & those? Aren't them in your mistake accusations.

    What I do, like all I do = FAST + EFFICIENT, NO extra "moving parts" - less IS more = GOOD engineering, using what you have natively vs. "Bolting on 'MoAr'" stupidly & illogically.

    You're MCSE, networking admin 'god', & security guru (not) - figure it out, I gave clues - I'm NOT going to tell you!

    All you know is I do it WHEN combatting little scumbags like you that hide behind fake names online trolling me.

    It works, like all I do does with testimonials to that effect no less.

    "it's funny how little you know of security APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    Funny how little you know in computing (no code, especially for security - I have it. You don't)

    (& you're stumped on an anti-troll technique I use too!)

    I've long ago done far more than you will or have in the art & science of computing! For security?

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... & MILLIONS use it.

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #5/5... apk

  89. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?

    "I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.

    "posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)

    No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!

    "I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    BS - See my last 4 posts here!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#5 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk

  90. Lumber Mill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I ran into a client several years ago (2007?) who bought anything 486 we had in the parts bins. He owned a five million dollar lumber mill. The whole thing ran off a 486 running custom software as some sort of PLC controller. The original developer had gone senile. Newer computers wouldn't work because it was doing some tricks with the timing clocks of the 486 to time exactly when to turn stuff off and on. Replacement was simply not an option - there are miles of cable, some running through cast concrete floors, all over the mill controlling different sensors and actuators (and sawblades), and no documentation. Shutting production down long enough to safely map all the functions and create a replacement would have been an enormous expense. He hoped to have enough spare parts on hand that he could get to retirement, then sell it to someone gullible enough not to questions about the controller software.

    1. Re: Lumber Mill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have replaced many ancient PLC software (from 80-s) to newer one. In PLC world it is pretty common job. IEC standard languages that run in plc-s have not changed. But supporting old computers that interface with PLC is not worth the effort. Sadly this is where IT world differs from PLC world. You can make sense of old PLC assembly-like code without source code, without comments. On PC its superhuman task.

    2. Re: Lumber Mill by rakslice · · Score: 1

      Is there open source software to use an x86 machine as a 61131 PLC, I wonder? Companies that are going to decide to solve the problem with a computer they can pick up for 400€ at the local FNAC could at least be pointed in the direction of a more maintainable solution.

    3. Re: Lumber Mill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PLC-s are expected to be maintainable for 20-30 years. PLC manufacturers usually guarantee spare part availability for 20 or more years. They also guarantee software support for that many years. In PC world i don't know lots of products where you can guarantee that... maybe some C compilers have that many years backwards compactability, maybe Windows or Linux or BSD? Maybe mainframe products?

      PLC world is just so different from PC world. I worked there for 10 years, now i switched to C# development. Its programming all the same, but its so different. Everything that is logical and best practice in PC world is not in PLC world.

  91. Re:Virtualize? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Someone could probably fix it, but the certification would be painful. Massive amounts of testing required for safety critical systems. The same problem affects things like fire alarm/smoke extraction systems. It's cheaper to pay silly money for parts to keep the old one going.

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  92. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap fraud also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk

  93. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "nowhere in there did you actually say what you are using that isn't a proxy/VPN" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    I don't use proxies/VPN (or anonymous relays).

    "APK ... uses anonymous relays to get around the limits of posting anonymous" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I'm not stupid enough to do what YOU want (make me as stupid as an easily tracked for retrolling sheep like you).

    There's 3-4 ways to do what I do & those? Aren't them in your mistake accusations.

    What I do, like all I do = FAST + EFFICIENT, NO extra "moving parts" - less IS more = GOOD engineering, using what you have natively vs. "Bolting on 'MoAr'" stupidly & illogically.

    You're MCSE, networking admin 'god', & security guru (not) - figure it out, I gave clues - I'm NOT going to tell you!

    All you know is I do it WHEN combatting little scumbags like you that hide behind fake names online trolling me.

    It works, like all I do does with testimonials to that effect no less.

    "it's funny how little you know of security APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    Funny how little you know in computing (no code, especially for security - I have it. You don't)

    (& you're stumped on an anti-troll technique I use too!)

    I've long ago done far more than you will or have in the art & science of computing! For security?

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... & MILLIONS use it.

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #5/5... apk

  94. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?

    "I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.

    "posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)

    No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!

    "I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    BS - See my last 4 posts here!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#5 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk

  95. Re: Virtualize? by Wintermute__ · · Score: 2

    Smaller cities... like Paris, apparently?

  96. Re: Virtualize? by jeremyp · · Score: 1

    This is Orly which is no longer Paris's main airport. If you ever travel through it, it'll be obvious that they have no money.

    --
    All I want is a secure system where it's easy to do anything I want. Is that too much to ask ~~ Randall Munroe
  97. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do this all the day, typically with card access servers that nobody ever bothers to replace. You have two options, if your hypervisor has the ports you need then you just pass the port to the VM and away you go.

    Otherwise you could use serial to ethernet adapters which still present to the OS in much the same way. If you absolutely must run Windows 3.1 then you can connect your hypervisor to the serial server and present to the VM like in the first option. This is pretty darned reliable in modern versions of VMWare.

    You have a point in that some hardware and software definitely performs out of spec and in those situations you are left without options. I see this in the semiconductor industry a lot actually, they spend a few million on a microscope that comes with either a Mac running OS 7 if you're lucky or Windows 3.1. You can't upgrade due to proprietary hardware and software including dongles. People are unwilling to spec a few million more in a new microscope with newer console hardware when the current one still gets the job done.

  98. ME still runnig on a 486.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I support a 486 machine that is running Windows ME. The machine uploads 3 audio streams to a cloud streaming server. The machine has been on for over 8 YEARS. We don't have any anti-virus or malware protection. We rarely reboot, mostly after a power failure that outlasts the UPS. Can't see a reason to upgrade... The old 500 MB Seagate hard drive just keeps turning. (I do have a spare, if I ever need it.)

    1. Re:ME still runnig on a 486.... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Really? Because Windows ME supposedly required a Pentium processor. Not sure whether or not that was a hard requirement or if it could still technically boot on a 486. If it really is a 486, it must be dreadfully slow, especially since most 486's aren't going to accept enough ram to run ME comfortably.

    2. Re:ME still runnig on a 486.... by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Windows ME requires 32MB, 64MB recommended. So it sounds possible.

  99. Re: Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not your compadre, bub

  100. Toronto Pearson... by matbury · · Score: 1

    ...runs on Windows XP throughout, as far as I can tell.

  101. Re:32 bit disk access and 32 bit file access does by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    But will VT-d work with a 16 BIT os / the older 32 BIT's nt's or the mixed 16/32 dos + win9x?

    also there are quite a few ram pool / address space limits with the old software / hardware. Also they may freak out with trying to pass a non 486 / 386 / 586 / Pentium cpu.

    Runtime error 200 type errors as well.

  102. Re: Virtualize? by budgenator · · Score: 1

    Damn I just threw out my 486SLC that had dos 6.1 and windows 3.1 installed on it just last month!

    --
    Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
  103. Re: Virtualize? by LocalH · · Score: 1

    I'm not your bub, guy.

    --
    FC Closer
  104. Re: Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, this APK chap is a proper cunt waffle.

    Much love, lurker since day zero.

  105. Re: Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, kid, do you need a thesaurus?

    #apkisacuntwaffle

  106. Re: Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello? Center for feral Aspies? Yes we have a wild APK keyboard jizzing again.

    #keyboardjizzforjesus

  107. W3.1 bah fooy new fangled stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back around the turn of the century, I worked for air traffic control here in the UK. They were still using a version of DOS as the backbone for some of the comms stuff to aircraft - the reason being simple - it was stable, tried and tested, strengths and weaknesses were known - and didn't do annoying things like locking up and randomly rebooting.

    And the programming of things running on DOS was simple.

    There is method to the madness of these really old systems still being in place.

  108. Re: Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stfu you little asshole

  109. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't dish it out if you can't take it crybaby Coren22. Go on cry some more. You did it to yourself with your signatures, lies, libel and we can read you know crybaby Coren22. You don't like being exposed in your games. Too bad!

  110. Re: Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't dish it out if you can't take it crybaby Coren22. Go on cry some more. You did it to yourself with your signatures, lies, libel and we can read you know crybaby Coren22. You don't like being exposed in your games. Too bad!!!

  111. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't dish it out if you can't take it crybaby Coren22. Go on cry some more. You did it to yourself with your signatures, lies, libel and we can read you know crybaby Coren22. You don't like being exposed in your games. Too bad pussy.

  112. srsly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's laziness...

  113. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts update (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update it?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do its job fully like many security tools!

    Guess what?

    Don't NEED to run my program as ADMIN - I do it here manually vs. auto.

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Users set it, not programmatic impersonation for autoupdate. You design zero & say what's what here?

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to use antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Continued in #2/5... apk

  114. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven w/ noone proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins.

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    See just above!

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened!

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It still works there!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/5... apk

  115. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap fraud also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk

  116. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "nowhere in there did you actually say what you are using that isn't a proxy/VPN" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    I don't use proxies/VPN (or anonymous relays).

    "APK ... uses anonymous relays to get around the limits of posting anonymous" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I'm not stupid enough to do what YOU want (make me as stupid as an easily tracked for retrolling sheep like you).

    There's 3-4 ways to do what I do & those? Aren't them in your mistake accusations.

    What I do, like all I do = FAST + EFFICIENT, NO extra "moving parts" - less IS more = GOOD engineering, using what you have natively vs. "Bolting on 'MoAr'" stupidly & illogically.

    You're MCSE, networking admin 'god', & security guru (not) - figure it out, I gave clues - I'm NOT going to tell you!

    All you know is I do it WHEN combatting little scumbags like you that hide behind fake names online trolling me.

    It works, like all I do does with testimonials to that effect no less.

    "it's funny how little you know of security APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    Funny how little you know in computing (no code, especially for security - I have it. You don't)

    (& you're stumped on an anti-troll technique I use too!)

    I've long ago done far more than you will or have in the art & science of computing! For security?

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... & MILLIONS use it.

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #5/5... apk

  117. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?

    "I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.

    "posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)

    No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!

    "I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    BS - See my last 4 posts here!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#5 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk

  118. it works; it is cheap; what is theproblem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why do people denigrate others when they save money by keeping old stuff working ?
    I mean, it is cheap, it works, so what if they have to scrounge spare parts
    why the denigration ?

  119. Re: Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An unidentifiable ac pussy with no balls speaks as he's out of modpoints to downmod apk. The only aspie is Coren22 the retarded damaged mental goods reject.

  120. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts update (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update it?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do its job fully like many security tools!

    Guess what?

    Don't NEED to run my program as ADMIN - I do it here manually vs. auto.

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Users set it, not programmatic impersonation for autoupdate. You design zero & say what's what here?

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to use antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Continued in #2/5... apk

  121. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven w/ noone proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins.

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    See just above!

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened!

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It still works there!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/5... apk

  122. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap fraud also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk

  123. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "nowhere in there did you actually say what you are using that isn't a proxy/VPN" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    I don't use proxies/VPN (or anonymous relays).

    "APK ... uses anonymous relays to get around the limits of posting anonymous" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I'm not stupid enough to do what YOU want (make me as stupid as an easily tracked for retrolling sheep like you).

    There's 3-4 ways to do what I do & those? Aren't them in your mistake accusations.

    What I do, like all I do = FAST + EFFICIENT, NO extra "moving parts" - less IS more = GOOD engineering, using what you have natively vs. "Bolting on 'MoAr'" stupidly & illogically.

    You're MCSE, networking admin 'god', & security guru (not) - figure it out, I gave clues - I'm NOT going to tell you!

    All you know is I do it WHEN combatting little scumbags like you that hide behind fake names online trolling me.

    It works, like all I do does with testimonials to that effect no less.

    "it's funny how little you know of security APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    Funny how little you know in computing (no code, especially for security - I have it. You don't)

    (& you're stumped on an anti-troll technique I use too!)

    I've long ago done far more than you will or have in the art & science of computing! For security?

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... & MILLIONS use it.

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #5/5... apk

  124. I hate to think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate to think of anything mission critical running in Windows (any version)!!! I worked for 4 years as a slot tech at a casino. The gaming machines have all been computer-based for years. The ones we had the most trouble with were running (probably customized) versions of Windows. These machines always had to be rebooted multiple times each day. They usually got replaced within a month. The gaming machines running Linux (the vast majority) seldom if ever needed a reboot, or had any problems.

  125. Coren22 I tried to make peace w/ you 3x by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: You kept up your signature crap & the rest of what I posted - who the HELL are you trying to fool but yourself?

    So you're just getting what you dish out in return and YOU CLEARLY CAN'T TAKE IT (whose agenda does my work adversely affect? Who do you work for IF YOU WORK & I don't think you do with 50++ posts a day etc.)

    I don't LIE about you, & showed your HUGE errors regarding bs you stated about my program & if others can post about AdBlock/UBlock/Privacy Badger? Then I can about Hosts being the superior option on most every level!)

    * You little bullshit artist crybaby weasel mentally damaged assburgers outism reject!

    Go cry to mama now http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" because I will NOT let a piece of shit like you fuck with me and get away with it... no way

    APK

    P.S.=> Case in point examples per my subject above:

    I was willing to let "bygones be bygones" - & KGIII busted your mistake on AD too!

    Didn't you say:

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Behind my back (I can't see sigs) & KGIII noted it:

    "In an earlier thread, I saw that APK quoted your signature" - by KGIII (973947) on Monday November 02, 2015 @10:22PM (#50852845) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    & I asked you to stop it but you kept it up AND LOADS OF BS ABOUT MY PROGRAM too which I disproved due to your technical errors about it!

    I tried getting you to stop your signature crap etc. http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + here too http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and you just kept it up so, you sown the wind? Here's your whirlwind you technically weak little girl of a trolling scumbag... lol!

    ... apk

  126. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts update (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update it?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do its job fully like many security tools!

    Guess what?

    Don't NEED to run my program as ADMIN - I do it here manually vs. auto.

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Users set it, not programmatic impersonation for autoupdate. You design zero & say what's what here?

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to use antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Continued in #2/5... apk

  127. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven w/ noone proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins.

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    See just above!

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened!

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It still works there!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/5... apk

  128. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap fraud also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk

  129. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "nowhere in there did you actually say what you are using that isn't a proxy/VPN" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    I don't use proxies/VPN (or anonymous relays).

    "APK ... uses anonymous relays to get around the limits of posting anonymous" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I'm not stupid enough to do what YOU want (make me as stupid as an easily tracked for retrolling sheep like you).

    There's 3-4 ways to do what I do & those? Aren't them in your mistake accusations.

    What I do, like all I do = FAST + EFFICIENT, NO extra "moving parts" - less IS more = GOOD engineering, using what you have natively vs. "Bolting on 'MoAr'" stupidly & illogically.

    You're MCSE, networking admin 'god', & security guru (not) - figure it out, I gave clues - I'm NOT going to tell you!

    All you know is I do it WHEN combatting little scumbags like you that hide behind fake names online trolling me.

    It works, like all I do does with testimonials to that effect no less.

    "it's funny how little you know of security APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    Funny how little you know in computing (no code, especially for security - I have it. You don't)

    (& you're stumped on an anti-troll technique I use too!)

    I've long ago done far more than you will or have in the art & science of computing! For security?

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... & MILLIONS use it.

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #5/5... apk

  130. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?

    "I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.

    "posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)

    No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!

    "I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    BS - See my last 4 posts here!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#5 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk

  131. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Baby? Didn't you make another retarded little reject bastard mentally damaged scumbag like you baby with that ugly slut you paid to fuck too to make another assburger autism loser like you motherfucker?

  132. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Even a really high-speed PC is enough to make them not work.

    To the contrary. The zionists spent a few dozen million US dollars (as in american taxpayer dollars) to develop the extremely complicated and advanced Stuxnet computer sabotage worm to hurt Iran's uranium enrichment centrifuges. Except Iran was running S7 SCADA controls on ancient Pentium 200MHz WinNT4 and 2000 computers, which booted so slowly that the worm's rootkit driver timed out on load and produced a BSOD. That glitch tipped off the belorussian company VirusBlokAda to find out about the military malware and then Kaspersky Lab took over the bulk of investigation.

  133. Re:Virtulize? DOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've done that too. Unfortunately, modern hardware runs DOS much too fast in the VM, just like on the real hardware. Timing loops in olde software aren't designed for that - they counts cycles instead of clock ticks, and with modern stuff can get confused or divide by zero. Or just run through 5 years of the sim in a blink of an eye when you needed to stop and do some input along the line. DOSBox lets you tweak things until they run like they did ON THE OLD (x)MHz PROCESSOR not the shiny new (y)GHz one.

  134. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course the original CRC code was about a decade old but... yay?

    Who cares? Does the age of the code affect the correctness of it's output?

    If the function hasn't changed why would the code need to change?

  135. From one extreme to the other... by pinzvidz · · Score: 1

    ... the most hilarious and saddest news out of France at the same time.

    1. Re:From one extreme to the other... by ancientmyth · · Score: 1

      I wish i had mod points.

  136. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RS-232 is 12V

    No, RS-232 is +/- 3-15V, and requires a withstand voltage on both transmitters and receivers of a short in the range of +/- 25V though it wouldn't surprise me that many a modern "RS-232" ports or adaptors fry at below 25V.

    It's impossible to predict how a conforming RS-232 interface would respond to a 0-5V signal as the range between 3 and -3V is undefined.

    These days you might reasonably replace it with any little microcontroller board, like an Arduino. They are faster than early PCs were!

    Arguably. You can get 32MHz ATMEGAs, but they don't have as much RAM as an early PC, nor do they have megabytes of persistent storage (though you can talk to an SD card over MMC protocol with the SPI interface). They're also 8-bit so can be much slower on certain arithmetic tasks than a 16-bit PC. Of course if you're talking about the ARM based Arduinos then yea.

    Most of the time it's going to make more sense to throw it all away and start with a new thing. But it's not impossible, just expensive.

    Most of the time, if you've got a guy who knows vintage PCs and the software that's running on it, it makes more sense to just go on eBay and buy replacement parts. Which is what they did in this instance. Stop assuming you know more about jobs than the people who are actually doing them.

  137. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts update (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update it?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do its job fully like many security tools!

    Guess what?

    Don't NEED to run my program as ADMIN - I do it here manually vs. auto.

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Users set it, not programmatic impersonation for autoupdate. You design zero & say what's what here?

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to use antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Continued in #2/4... apk

  138. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Stupid, neither does my program! AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven & nobody proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins.

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    See just above!

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened!

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It still works there - who're you bullshitting but yourself you assbergers outism retard?

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/4... apk

  139. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap fraud also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/4... apk

  140. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not limited to rs232 either. I did a bunch of work with parallel port interfaces back in the day (hardware control - including a radio telescope at one point :) and there were multiple variants. Some allowed io on all pins, some on a subset, and the control signals vary slightly from board to board. You very much designed for the computer you had if you were trying to do anything a bit different.

    Actually that work was a lot of fun. Working close to the hardware level in c and assembler, no os or security crud blocking you at every turn, make up standard as you went, got to dabble in hardware, and the only requirement was that the end result did the job requested. Good times.

  141. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?

    "I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.

    "posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)

    No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!

    "I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    BS - See my last 4 posts here!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#4 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk

  142. Re:Virtualize? by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

    One word: Dosbox.

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    If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
  143. Win16 support in Wine by staalmannen · · Score: 1

    I have found and reported a few bugs blocking some Win16 applications to run under Wine. It is ofcourse more difficult for developers to adress those issues nowadays, but on the other hand is the OS much smaller than the current versions so a 100% re-implementation should be possible. I think it would be great if some more effort would be put into the Win16 compatibility of Wine. At work, we had some fully working machines where the controlling software was built for Win16, and when the machines had to be replaced by Win95/98/XP machines it all became completely unreliable (crashes claiming "not enough memory"). It is sad when very expensive and fully functional machinery (in this case a CytoFluor 4000) gets unusable because of something stupid like that.

  144. Re: Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not your bub, comrade.

  145. Re:Virtualize? by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

    Same thing with checksums on various mag stripe cards, which I wrote software for in the 1980s. There was the Luhn algorithm, and then the other Luhn algorithm, and then the other other Luhn algorithm, and the alternate Luhn algorithm, and the not-quite-right Luhn algorithm, and the Luhn variant, and the other Luhn variant, and holy fsck how many ways can you screw up one checksum?

  146. Re:Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (plus, their "optimizations" don't actually save compute time, the simple math operations are faster than the lookup in the "precompute" table that they made).

    That may be the case now. Was it the same back when they wrote the spec? There are several CPU instructions that now use a lookup table internally ( to compute sin and cos for example) and other instructions that may not have existed back then or had a slow implementation.

  147. Re: Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not your compadre, amigo

  148. Re:Virtualize? by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

    ARCNET (note caps) is actually pretty good, and still used in applications that require deterministic network response, (like industrial control applications).
    It was far superior to Ethernet back in the day, but was "closed" so was slowly hammered into oblivion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  149. Re: Virtualize? by Desty · · Score: 1

    Depending on when that code was written, it's possible that the machine's ALU was slower than doing a fetch from cache or even memory, so the ganky lookup table may have been faster then. Maybe.

  150. Re: Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not you're amigo, sidekick.

  151. Re:Virtualize? by lowen · · Score: 1

    But the TRS-80 Model II ARCnet board was indeed a piece of work. Grep the comp.sys.tandy archives on google groups for ARCnet one day.

  152. Re: Virtualize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well actually it may also have to do with how many fatal plane crashes the french aviation department considers acceptable before all the upgrade related bugs get worked out. Never mind retraining the flight controllers to a new system and the downtime needed to install it.. time most airports simply do not have. The passenger crash losses are top of the list though.. and ust what could possibly account as "acceptable" losses ? (!)

  153. So 3.1 is more stable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So this article is saying that 3.1 is more stable than any other Microsoft operating system? I mean: I can't keep any modern Windows system on for more than 3 days before it lags and crashes...

  154. Re:Coren22 I tried to make peace w/ you 3x by lucien86 · · Score: 1

    Some trolls are amusing, some trolls are annoying, but APK is one of the worst I have seen in a long time.. Definite psychosis in the writing style and demeanour. Repetition and denial of logic, plus bizarre absolute beliefs. False belief systems driven by paranoia. Sad to say it but APK seriously needs the help of mental health professionals.

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    Below the speed of light Special Relativity is one of the most accurate theories in physics - above the speed of light..
  155. OS/2 for temp solution? by Zeekort · · Score: 1

    What about OS/2 for a temporary solution? It can run many of the apps that Windows 3.1 could and thanks to derivatives that are still actively developed like eComStation it can run on more hardware than in the past which would help give them time to port it over to something else.

    I'm not saying to just abandon their old system right away since they can't just drop it and move away from it overnight they have to eventually do something about hardware support because eventually supported hardware for old systems goes away and they're already using eBay. Given OS/2's reputation for running Windows programs from back then, it may at least open up some options while they work on replacing the old system and if they had to make some updates to it, it may be a little more cost effective to jump to a platform that's known to run those apps that still has a company backing it up.

    Ultimately they are going to need to abandon their old system, however in the meantime they have to do something about the hardware and this looks like something that can't be virtualized.

  156. Re: Virtualize? by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

    Let's leave Family Ties out of this.

  157. Re:Virtualize? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    No, RS-232 is +/- 3-15V

    In actual fact, you can't use -3/+3 signaling on RS-232, either, and in practice all PCs implemented +/-12V serial ports.

    and requires a withstand voltage on both transmitters and receivers of a short in the range of +/- 25V though it wouldn't surprise me that many a modern "RS-232" ports or adaptors fry at below 25V.

    I mean that there's a lot of TTL serial stuff (or even 3.3v) and if you pretend it's RS-232 you'll kill it when you hook it up to a PC, which has a +/-12V serial port.

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  158. O'rly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't believe I was first to this word play..

  159. Re:Virtualize? by Drethon · · Score: 1

    Because improvement in processing capability and storage capability in the past decade mean that using coding tricks to conserve both is no longer necessary.

  160. Re: Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    You complain that that person posts AC? Isn't that a bit abnormal, an AC bitching about someone posting AC? Make an account, log in and post, or don't bitch about others posting AC as well.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  161. Re:Perhaps you should go fuck yourself pussy by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Oooo, now who is getting all wound up?

    I don't need to fuck myself thank you, I am still young enough to attract the ladies.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  162. Re:Coren22 I tried to make peace w/ you 3x by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Agreed.

    Here is an AC detailing the mental issues with links to the information about them:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  163. Re:Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by dave420 · · Score: 1

    Translation: I have nothing else in my life, so I will moan and gripe about people on Slashdot, and try to hawk my old, tired, outclasses software in the most obnoxious manner, attracting notoriety and scorn in the process.

  164. Re:Virtualize? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    "where there's a will, there's a way"

    The implication of still running on win 3.1 and not being updated is that there isn't the will.

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    Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
  165. Re:Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Translation: Dave420 knows he messed up and had to eat his words publicly.

  166. The bitchslapping of Dave420... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Everyone who does use HOSTS files (myself included) doesn't use your software" - by dave420 (699308) on Thursday November 05, 2015 @07:30AM (#50869743)

    Some /.'ers made you "eat your words": They use my hosts file engine saying it's good vs. your bullshit:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    (LMAO... you FAIL as usual, again, vs. me!)

    * What's that you said I have quoted from you above Dave420?

    APK

    P.S.=> Thanks for making me look good: You always say something I can put away with undeniable facts that prove you wrong... lol!

    ... apk

  167. Re:Perhaps you should go fuck yourself pussy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only woman you attract is your mama cuz you're crying to her Coren22 http://slashdot.org/comments.p... hahahahahaha

  168. Re: Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only person we see crying is you Coren22 to your mama http://slashdot.org/comments.p... hahahahaha

  169. Re:Coren22 I tried to make peace w/ you 3x by lucien86 · · Score: 1

    The Ars Technica one - terrifying..

    LOL from that I just got his full name and address from 2000, I don't really want it. :(

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    Below the speed of light Special Relativity is one of the most accurate theories in physics - above the speed of light..
  170. Re:Coren22 I tried to make peace w/ you 3x by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    I imagine that if you grabbed a copy of his current software it would have his current address. It is funny to read him trying to defend trademark infringement, and making his software out to be so hard to make when it is a file copy/rename/delete program...LOL!

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  171. Re:Coren22 I tried to make peace w/ you 3x by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 Your greatest hits fails apk posted that you can't hide anymore with minus mods and your errors in them were hilarious.

  172. Coren22, as usual, you have NO clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: What it fully entails - it is a LOT more than just that & you haven't done even 1 yourself (I have done over 40 utilities over time, some being sold to commercial code interests even that are certified MS partners)... try hand-written networking code involved, filters that ARE THE HARDEST PART OF IT vs. false positives (they're huge), & when you can pound out ~ 30,000 lines of such solid bugfree bulletproof fully-error trapped code yourself + show us it's YOUR WORK?

    * THEN, blowhard, YOU CAN TALK (vs. talking out your ass), "ne'er-do-well".

    APK

    P.S.=> What an UNBELIEVABLE MORON you are, lol... pitiful! apk

  173. Are you a licensed psychiatric pro? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Do you have a formal exam given in a professional psychiatric environs for your prognosis/diagnosis of my alleged mental state according to you "Dr. Quack: 'SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk of /.'"? No.

    * That's libel fuckwad but that's why WORMS like you & Coren22 hide behind fake names online... & he's an ADMITTED mentally aberrant abnormal "assburgers/outism" case for Pete's sake, lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> You've got delusions of grandeur thinking you're a shrink... apk

  174. Coren22, you're the assburgers/outism case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: You've admitted to such mental abnormality & retardation, not I... & the worms around here or elsewhere posting that shit are just libelous "SiDeWaLk-ShRiNks" (since minus a formal psychiatric examination from licensed degreed practicing psychiatric pros yielding such diagnosis of my alleged mental condition, they're libelous little worms - nothing more & ones with delusions of grandeur @ being psychiatric pros, lol...)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're nothing but a little "ne'er-do-well" mentally deranged assburgers outism retard, who iirc, has cursed the WORLD & another child with the same retardedness... haven't you? You have no shame... even your bitch left you alone you're such reprehensible shit (& you know it)... apk

  175. Re:Virtulize? - Emulate?!! by ripvlan · · Score: 1

    The monkeys on the internet have been active !!!

    Thanks for the link. It is amazing how far technology has progressed. To think that it took a WHOLE PC to run Windows/DOS and now it can run (pretty well) in a scripted language hosted by another app. I took a look at the source of one of these JS emulation projects and it is amazing the level at which it works - pretty darned cool. I played DOOM in a browser a few years ago - worked better than my 486 of yesteryear.

    I'll bet if I looked I'd find one as a VBA macro in Excel.

  176. Not a surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...having worked with SITA. This is their style. Use it while it woks!

  177. Coren22 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" #1/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? Show us (not illogic logic but where I literally said it). I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there in my security guide.

    Fact: You shoot your mouth off lying about it & me, hmmm?

    (It's your mentally damaged goods assburgers brain acting up trying to put words in my mouth I never said? Yes...)

    ---

    Where did I say I don't use DNS too?

    Clue: I do & detailed it for you AGAIN (via my std. post on DNS vs. hosts) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    "You must really suck at programming" - by Coren22 on Monday November 23, 2015

    What've you programmed? Other /.'ers disagree:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    "No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free." - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:31AM (#50947415)

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in 2/6... apk

  178. Coren22 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" #2/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?

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    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Mine doesn't to get new data to update hosts vs. threats. Only hosts itself updates need it vs. WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.

    ---

    "90's tech to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts + RECOMMENDS my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #3/6... apk

  179. Coren22 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" #3/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 reputable sources + /. users say different:

    Safe by 57 antivirus programs in 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan (installer too)-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    (& he certified my source http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - he wouldn't host it, much less recommend it, minus that...) /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    "No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free." - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:31AM (#50947415)

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't in part #4/6... apk

  180. Coren22 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" #4/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "His newest post is trying to refute that MiTM attack opportunity his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    I DISPROVED it: Hardcoded favs users provide themselves are REVERSE DNS verified & my program filters 5,500++ false positives:

    1.) Search engines
    2.) Antivirus (e.g. updaters)
    3.) Security community sites
    4.) Captchas, brower home pages + download pages
    5.) Ebay/Amazon (shopper & banking)

    (Security community I get hosts data from do false positives filters in current data + removal lists).

    ---

    "won't demonstrate security of his product be exposing the source (someone might steal it!)" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    I don't give away work to be stolen OR misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    "the secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code and said it looked all good to them" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

    My ware went thru code verification by Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes' hpHosts

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    A competent coder & BEST security researcher I know of FROM THE BEST ANTIMALWARE THERE IS http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    NOT a secretary!

    ---

    YOU BLEW IT ON ADMIN PRIV TOO: My program doesn't require it hosts does (WFP/SFP): my program protects hosts beyond it!

    I.E.-> I run manually minus admin priv & drag result to hosts naming it "hosts" overwriting original.

    Only auto update needs it (WFP/SFP) & users set it themselves in program shortcut: Not programmatic impersonation.

    ---

    DNS introduces a SECURITY ISSUE RIDDLED SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE & doesn't secure down to endpoints on a LAN -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    How I use remote filtering DNS combined w/ hosts is there showing many DNS security issues hosts overcome.

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't in part #5/6... apk

  181. Coren22 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" #5/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    No hosts do (WFP/SFP) - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen OR misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it via process monitor + wireshark (don't need code)!

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    I put hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - spotted easily & bulk of hosts = sorted blocked known bad threats provided by the security community (filtered vs. 5,500++ false positive possibles in my program & by current security community data).

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Hasn't happened!

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    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    It works there!

    Telemetry's killed 10 by itself: VISTA = Win10 = Win8 = flops - who're you fooling other than yourself?

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #6/6... apk

  182. Coren22 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" #6/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

    "introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    How? My prog puts entries in as non-blocking to hostnames on ones users give it as favs to speed up @ TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

    (For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

    YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out!

    (Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

    + my sources do removal lists vs. false positives & helped me create a "FP" filter in my program (5,500++ of them)!

    ---

    "maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods: "Eat your words" (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

    +5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://science.slashdot.org/co...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    "You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt - Did it to yourself.

    APK

    P.S.=> You fail Coren22... apk