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Mozilla Has 'No Plans' To Offer Firefox Without Pocket (venturebeat.com)
An anonymous reader writes: In June, Mozilla integrated Pocket into Firefox, garnering a mixed response from the browser's community. This week, VentureBeat stumbled upon a Bugzilla ticket (bug 1215694) to "move Pocket to a built-in add-on" and immediately reached out to the company. "There are currently no plans to offer a version of Firefox that doesn't include Pocket," said Dave Camp, Firefox's director of engineering.
Thanks Dicedot. Please, you know, edit.
NT
Will they have it set up so that a configuration option at build time controls whether to build Pocket? If not, I'm sure that someone will make a patch to do the thing.
Sad to see once a web browser that once was a bastion of open source become yet-another-sell-out.
NT
Someone can make a build excluding all the objectionable content, right? You just can't call it Firefox if you do.
I guess the Pocket is then one of those things that are not bloat from Mozilla point of view. Thankfully we can now be get rid of Classic theme restorer plugin instead, so we can truly embrace the full Mozilla experience by pocketing our chats while we share the rich converged and aligned experience with the Mozilla social media features.
Pale Moooooon
Table-ized A.I.
I have 'No Plans' to use any Mozilla product.
They've worked hard to drive out the people who made it great and replace them with people trying to monetize it.
Pretty sure Linus is next and then Linux will go this route.
They're simply going with option B.
So much for "lighten the browser core and remove a feature they don't see as heavily used"
from:
http://developers.slashdot.org/story/15/11/12/2015227/mozilla-plans-to-remove-support-for-firefox-complete-themes
It already has.
But the browser you build is not a Firefox® browser. Instead, Gentoo users have to go the Iceweasel route.
I still have no f***ing idea what Pocket is, and why I should have it in my browser.
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Dave Camp, Firefox's director of engineering
At first glance, my brain quickly read "dictator of engineering" :-)
Sure, while users aren't on the whole happy with Pocket, they'll continue to push that while discontinuing tab groups and heavy themes. Starting to look like a Microsoft product.
Firefox ESR 38.4.0 here. No Pocket so far.. Will probably change though around March/April 2016 when the ESR syncs up with Firefox 45.
[about:config] browser.pocket.enabled = false
Every time Mozilla releases an update, I have to search through the config settings for new ".enabled" things to disable. (sigh)
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Bah, you already have that button .. reply to your friend with "Fuck Off".
Or, do you just want some sort of passive aggressive thing where you can quietly throw a tantrum and block sites?
You don't need a damned button to be antisocial.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
but why does Pocket matter?
When they first introduced it, I right clicked it and removed it from my toolbar. I haven't thought of it since, yet there are people threatening to boycott Firefox over it.
I've never about:config disabled it. Is it selling my privacy? Doubling firefox's memory usage? Supporting terrorism?
Why is it news worthy?
1) Why is this reported as a bug when it's obviously not a bug? Even if Firefox wants to offer Pocket as a built-in add-on, I don't see why the lack of this "feature" is listed as a bug.
2) From the very first comment, "this will facilitate user choice." How the hell does this facilitate user choice when this add-on is forced on users by being built-in to Firefox? Many users don't know how to use add-ons, so they will effectively have this forced on them.
3) There's a good fork called Pale Moon. However, as I recall, Pale Moon is actually supported on fewer systems than in the past. It seems like this is because there aren't enough developers to maintain the browser for more platforms. Why isn't there more developer support for Pale Moon? It seems like developers who contribute good features to Firefox would also be able to share that code with Pale Moon. Why isn't there more developer support?
They're almost done digging their own grave. It's slightly sad when you remember how they were pushing the limits of the internet in pre-1.0 and ~2.0 versions. But, nowadays, except maybe for Safari, which is still usable only because of Google contributions to Apple's codebase, Firefox has managed to be the slowest moving of the major browsers. Heck, even MS is being forced into getting community feedback for Edge and is actually implementing requested features, while mozilla continually spits at their users' face.
"I decided I could write something better than everything out there in two weeks. And I was right." - Linus Torvalds
that somebody gets to track and probably use to serve ads? I can't see a use case for pocket.
Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
Hehe,
Yea, I was thinking up some humorous opposite to social media. Every website is now tied into Facebook and Google plus with share and plus and thumbs up icons, that track users every move online. And the use of tracking cookies so once you ever return to site they get a history where you went.
Social media is the culprit that allows spying like NSA does, how folks get doxxed, etc. It's my opinion websites should have never fell for the trap adding Google analytics code, Stay counter, Facebook, Google plus, double click, twitter, etc
Since every single site is connected back to Facebook, Plus, Twitter
You don't need to get access to other site's logs, you got all the federal, tracking cookies, every single site a user has surfed daily can be logged.
So my satire on the antisocial media. I wish these sites would all unlink from social sites. Remove Facebook, analytics, stay counter and double click tracking which all are even here on Slashdot.
I already use adblock with 5 blocklists for various things from tracker blocklists , ad lists, social media blocking, anti adblock blocks, then noscript, then greasemonkey plugin script running 'antiAdblock killer'
Just to get a look at content like we had in 90s.
I see the web like a newspaper if I want to cut out an article and toss rest in trash, or pull the comics out and toss rest in trash I can.
Web site owners want the freedom to do what they want on their sites, which is fine, but they scream and cry and don't want users to have freedom to use the web how the user wants. To those site owners that's why I say "fuck off"
And my idea for Antisocial Media Web 3.0 :-P
It's election season. Ignoring all the political news sources with the Facebook "I don't want to see this" control is one of the most pro-social things you can do :)
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
Just use Chromium
I ran Palemoon for a while but it was still slow compared to Chrome. There is a reason Firefox is tanking and Chrome is growing. The product is simply better.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Just as a heads up, all of the data gathering and reporting to Microsoft stuff that you're hating on were back-ported to Windows 7 and 8 via Windows update as a critical update. I don't know if they back-ported it to Vista or not as I've never worked with it.
-TheReaperD (937405)
....but I assume I am supposed to be mad that I can't remove it.
From what I gather I'm not in majority but for sure I'm not alone in actually WANTING Pocket and MORE, I want back the FUNCTIONALITY from that extension which is way beyond the stupid FF button. I still have it (thanks to some obscure thread on some other site) but it won't be updated and supported anymore.
Pale Moon has a 64-bit edition.
... provides a user-friendly interface to advanced preferences that would otherwise require manual editing of parameters, which can be cumbersome and time-consuming to do."
Joke:
Instead of browser.pocket.enabled = false in Firefox,
browser.adult.supervision.enabled = true in Pale Moon.
Pale Moon has tools for backup and migration.
Adblock Latitude blocks ads. There are other Pale Moon ad-ons, and usually Firefox add-ons work perfectly.
"Pale Moon Commander
Firefox sold out, went over to the dark side, and became useless a while ago. Pale Moon looks interesting, like Firefox without all the bullshit, but I guess I have to wait until it's available for iOS and OS X.
Didn't they say they wanted to remove code to reduce fluff. Well, I'd say this is fluff.
"There are currently no plans to offer a version of Firefox that doesn't include Pocket,"
I currently have no plans to offer a version of Firefox a place on my hard drive. so I guess its fair.
about:config , then
browser.pocket.enabled
to "false".
Since we just now are in the process of deciding which browser to use in the system images of ~5.000 machines in a corporate environment this is really big news.
Having a specific "sort of social media" connection to a third-party service provider hard-wired into the browser, especially one where people can push documents viewed in the browser to, basically puts one further nail into the coffin of Firefox usage as official browser on work machines in my opinion.
Seems to me Firefox is becommong more pro-commercialised.
When do we get another fork just like the move from Mozilla->Firefox->??
Time to fork again?
What about that crappy hello thingy from Telefonica?
https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ available for Linux, Windows, Mac.
i abandoned that pile of kludge a long time ago, around version 26, i use chromium mostly, and Pale_Moon on occasion,
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
Mozilla must have done a deal with Pocket and that's why its here to stay. Personally, I used to like Firefox back in the early days when function and reliability was Firefox's number one job. Now its become a open source whore of sorts, doing anything to survive and very little to keep users. Its obvious the best days are behind Mozilla and once Google's cash cow left the stable its been all down hill. Yahoo can't save itself let alone Firefox, so don't count on any resurrection of Firefox from Yahoo. My advice to Mozilla with Firefox is stop with the wanna be Chrome initiative. The more you get like Chrome the less individuality you have and the less reason users have to stick with Firefox.
why a sync option? I've never used it, but IIRC it's there.
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Pocket gives me gas.
Just right-click on the toolbar, hit "customize" and remove the damned pocket--they can't force you to use it!
"Mixed response." Ha ha, that's a good one. As if there were some pros and cons. The "mixed" response was everything from, "WTF is 'Pocket'?" to "I'll never use it, so I don't care," to "I'll never use it, so get it the fuck out of my browser."
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