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FAA To Drone Owners: Get Ready To Register To Fly (networkworld.com)

coondoggie writes: While an actual rule could be months away, drones weighing about 9 ounces or more will apparently need to be registered with the Federal Aviation Administration going forward. The registration requirement and other details came form the government’s UAS Task Force which was created by the FAA last month and featured all manner of associates from Google, the Academy of Model Aeronautics and Air Line Pilots Association to Walmart, GoPro and Amazon. “By some estimates, as many as 400,000 new unmanned aircraft will be sold during the holiday season. Pilots with little or no aviation experience will be at the controls of many of these aircraft. Many of these new aviators may not even be aware that their activities in our airspace could be dangerous to other aircraft -- or that they are, in fact, pilots once they start flying their unmanned aircraft,” said FAA Administrator Michael Huerta in announcing the task force’s results.

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  1. What purpose does registration serve? by JoeyRox · · Score: 2

    Registration will provide the FAA with the owner's name and address. How will this information be useful to them? Are they going to have airports reroute traffic around neighborhoods that have high concentrations of drone owners?

    1. Re:What purpose does registration serve? by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      It's so when your drone does $terroristaction they know were to send the SWAT team.
      Not that they'll be verifying these addresses, of course.

    2. Re:What purpose does registration serve? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1) It will allow them to send you information about your legal obligations and operating restrictions as a drone pilot;
      2) It will allow them to identify the owner of a drone if that drone crashes into something and causes damage;

      Can somebody please explain to me how "registering your drone" is some kind of unbelievable infringement on your human rights? You have to get licensed to own a gun, drive a car, and you have to register to vote. Why is it such a strange idea that you might, when operating something that could hurt or kill other people, and which almost certainly operates in public spaces, you take affirmative steps to understand the regulations relative to your new hobby?

      I bet that almost every one of you cunts whining about registration is also a rabid fan of the idea of draconian gun control measures.

    3. Re:What purpose does registration serve? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Back in antiquity, I had to "register" to get a "bikes on trains" permit to carry my bike on the metro. It was a nominal $5 fee (covered the cost of the photograph) and a royal pain to go to the downtown office to get the permit, but the whole point was to educate the permitee about the dos and don'ts of carrying your bike on the metro. Then, whenever somebody it being a bonehead with their bike on the metro, the officials can say either: a) "You need to have a permit to do that, go get it." saving themselves all effort at education on-the-spot, or b) "I see you have a permit, but you obviously didn't pay attention to the training." and possibly revoke the permit on-the-spot, forcing the ex-permitee to jump more hoops to get it reinstated.

      Hunting and fishing licenses are a similar game, though their fees are higher, and annual. The presumption is that you will learn what you're supposed to know as a licensee - though, in practice, they're mostly just an annual fee.

      Registering drones, like registering handguns, will give some traceability to the bits of electronic junk that get lost in hard to get to locations inside state/national parks, and on other people's private land. It might make some operators a little more careful and a little more aware of the impacts their toy can have. I don't think it's much about keeping them out of the flightpath of commercial airliners, I think it is about making the owners more accountable for less serious bone-headdedness.

    4. Re:What purpose does registration serve? by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      Two words: Registration fees.

    5. Re:What purpose does registration serve? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Show me where in the Constitution, or in the Air Commerce Act, the FAA was given authority over all airspace in the U.S.

      Of course, you're aware that those are not the only laws governing the operation, authority, and structure of the FAA, right? In fact, the law in question that gives the FAA the authority to regulate drones is the "FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012," specifically, Title III, Subtitle B, "Unmanned Aircraft Systems," in which Congress specifically directs the FAA as follows:

      Not later than 270 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Transportation, in consultation with representatives of the aviation industry, Federal agencies that employ unmanned aircraft systems technology in the national airspace system, and the unmanned aircraft systems industry, shall develop a comprehensive plan to safely accelerate the integration of civil unmanned aircraft systems into the national airspace system.

      They go on to specify in quite a bit of detail exactly what must be covered in such a plan. So, let's pick your question back up:

      Are you asserting that Congress doesn't have any authority to make this law, and delegate enforcement of it to the FAA? If so, then perhaps you could share for us your legal rationale, rather than spouting off generalized inanities that demonstrate your lack of knowledge about aviation. If not, then perhaps you can take your claims that the FAA has "no lawful authority" over you, and shove them up your ass.

    6. Re:What purpose does registration serve? by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      So that the drone owner gets into a federal database with new federal standards. Many states do not have stop and identify statutes to find out who a drone owner is.
      Flying a drone is not a crime or can not be presented as been a reasonably crime like act to induce the showing of photo ID.
      So it hard to get the names of the owner unless they walk back to their car (plate number), are followed by law enforcement officials, or have a cell phone on them (StingRay, IMSI-catcher).
      Such passive options are now been replaced with a more direct federal ID demands. The drone can be inspected to see if it is registered and if the registered number is readable and can be found as required. That induces a chat down giving law enforcement at a city, state, federal level reason to start a conversation with all drone users in any part of the USA and a request for photo ID.
      Out of state press can be identified, talked to, moved on, tracked, equipment taken before a media event becomes public. The drone as a tool for news gathering in the USA becomes illegal until proven legal to local law enforcement.
      Is the 4k camera on the drone next for federal registration with the owners registration number visible in every frame captured?

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    7. Re: What purpose does registration serve? by Squiddie · · Score: 2

      You do not have to be licensed to own a gun in most states, and some don't even require it for carrying. Maybe this should go like encryption, and we can claim UAVs are guaranteed by the 2A.

    8. Re:What purpose does registration serve? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      Hunting and fishing licenses are also to ensure the proper level/age/gender of animals, or at least close to it, is hunted, for conservation, etc. purposes

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    9. Re:What purpose does registration serve? by lgw · · Score: 2

      You have to get licensed to own a gun, drive a car, and you have to register to vote.

      You do not have to get licensed to own a gun, at least in states that show the slightest respect for the US Constitution. You do not have to get licensed to drive a car, unless you want to drive it in public places (and even then, driving farm equipment on farm-to-market roads doesn't require a license, as that was seen as an undue burden). You don't, in practice, have to register to vote, unless you live somewhere that requires an ID to vote - and most states see an ID as an undue burden.

      You don't need a pilots license to fly a plane (well, most planes), if you stay at low altitude and away form airports. You shouldn't need to register to own a drone, or to fly one as long as you stay at low altitude and away from airports.

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    10. Re:What purpose does registration serve? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      So, the new way to "SWAT" people you don't like, have their doors broken down, etc...is to either steal their drone and do something nefarious with it, or likely could be just as easy as finding out your target's serial number, and just etching that onto ANY drone

      No, it's much much worse than that. You acquire a drone by any means, you register it to your target through the websystem which provides instant registration, you slap the registration number on the drone and you fly it into a controlled airspace. Done and done.

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  2. Re:I hope... by David_Hart · · Score: 2

    ...that the drone registration Federal website works at least as well as the site for Obamacare when it first came online....

    I wonder, will all drones be grounded till the US Federal Drone Registration website is actually up and running enough to accept peoples' input?

    Unless it has to interact with multiple state and federal systems with diverse data formats running on equipment and software that is decades old, and no longer supported, and connecting all of that to the more modern systems of third party private sector companies whose vested interest is in seeing all all fail... then it should be fairly smooth sailing....

  3. Weight? Really? by JustNiz · · Score: 2

    Weight is pretty much the most clueless measurement to use.
    You could build something really big, put helium balloons inside it and have it sit on a scale and still weigh less than 9 oz.
    Any of Physical size, maximum range, maximum speed, maximum altitude, any of those would have been much less clueless.

  4. Re:I hope... by TWX · · Score: 2

    Probably zero autonomous control.

    Basically the quadcopter people have ruined RC aircraft for the fixed-wing and scale-model helicopter folks. I will admit that given the developments in camera, storage, and battery technology it may have been inevitable, but it was the quadcopter crowd that really embraced high quality video while flying into the personal space of others and loiter on a large scale.

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  5. Re:I hope... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Next up - registering your kite. After all, it fits their definition of a remotely controlled aircraft ...

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  6. (empty) weight has worked for aircraf for a long t by raymorris · · Score: 3, Informative

    Weight is an extremely important and controlling parameter for aircraft. It has worked well as an important parameter for classification. For example, the smaller two classes of manned aircraft are called Ultralight and Light Sport Aircraft.

    "Maximum" speed, range, and altitude are less useful because they are highly variable under different conditions and impossible to test for a true maximum. Maximum design ratings are used, but weight it the major criterion, the criterion that the classes are named after.

    The FAA also regulates lighter-than-air craft such as hot air balloons and blimps. It turns out that by using the EMPTY weight of the craft, you totally avoid the issue of filling it with helium balloons- and the trick of having the gas tank only 1/4 full when it's weighed. They are all measured empty, and it's the empty weight the classifications are based on.

  7. As a quadcopter pilot... by dotancohen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...this is a good thing. Non-drone quads, like all RC craft, require skill to do something stupid that will hurt more than your neighbours or your wallet. Autonomous, self-piloting, drones can be more dangerous than a car if flown improperly. Regulate them, just as cars and other aircraft are regulated.

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  8. Re:I hope... by jpapon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This happens with every technology when the barrier to entry is significantly lowered. I'm sure early automobile enthusiasts felt the same way about the Model-T ruining their happy-go-lucky days of driving without licenses.

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  9. Exactly what part do you register? by hsthompson69 · · Score: 2

    So, we generally work by the fiction that a "gun" is the lower receiver, and that is the part that is what we register.

    Exactly what part of the drone are you going to serialize and register? The wings? The engine? The fuselage? Will you need to de-register when it breaks? Re-register it after it's repaired?

    At what point will the government decide to have us "register" all of the home made cakes we bake in our ovens? The parts and technology for a cake are just as common and available as the parts and technology for a drone...

    1. Re:Exactly what part do you register? by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yourself. The person is registered in a new federal database. The registration number "must be affixed to the aircraft" and "marking must be readily accessible and maintained in a condition that is readable and legible upon close visual inspection".
      Its all about the person and connecting them to any and all drones in use. A demand for photo ID does the rest.

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  10. Let's register baseballs too. by hsthompson69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'll bet you get more damage to property from poorly regulated baseballs thrown by children than drones.

    Obviously, baseballs can hurt, and even kill people, and people play with them in public spaces all the time - we really need to get everyone registered properly so we can educate them and hold them responsible for the errant throw.

  11. quads brought noobs. by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I first joined AMA 30 years ago. I've flown fixed wing, helicopters, and rockets. I've also climbed into something slightly larger and flown it. My next purchase will probably be a quad. I don't think that owning a quad will make me become stupid. The craft is not the problem.

    The AMA used to work with manufacturers and retailers to have a very strong presence- every $12 kit included AMA information in the package. The AMA managed to reach a high enough percentage of purchasers that most were well-behaved.

    Quads brought a ton of new people into the hobby and the existing community hasn't reached them effectively. Part of that is probably because models (other than rockets) used to be harder to fly, so newbies NEEDED an experienced pilot to train them. Clueless newbies who wouldn't learn from others quickly destroyed their new toys.

    On the other hand, rockets could be flown without training, yet AMA dis a good job of getting the message of responsibility out to rocketers. How can this (large) new generation of flyers be reached and educated? Blaming it on the number of props won't do the trick, of course.

    1. Re:quads brought noobs. by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Quads brought a ton of new people into the hobby and the existing community hasn't reached them effectively. Part of that is probably because models (other than rockets) used to be harder to fly, so newbies NEEDED an experienced pilot to train them. Clueless newbies who wouldn't learn from others quickly destroyed their new toys.

      I've got a secret for you- your hobby is experiencing its own Eternal September, and you never will reach those clueless newbies unless regulation forces them to actually apprentice with someone experienced. You could even look upon it as two separate hobbies- the older hobby for scale-model aircraft or scale-model-type aircraft that requires a significant degree of skill to participate in without constantly spending large sums of money to replace destroyed equipment, and another hobby for the inexperienced that only want a casual hobby, or want to use the equipment as a means for some greater hobby that can benefit from it.

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  12. Re:I hope... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

    If the government wants to do that, it is certainly within their authority.

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  13. Because the question is stupid! by Gription · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The constitution VERY SPECIFICALLY doesn't address specific regulations. Those are generated by LAWS. The constitution does give a very firm guide for how we are to come up with laws. Things like electing officials to create and maintain laws and having people in official capacities to enact those laws.
    Staying awake during junior high and high school social studies classes would have avoided this incredible lack of knowledge. (If there wasn't the benefit of a proper education then there is a valid excuse for such ignorance.)

    It is just as inane to say "Show me where in the constitution it says that police can enforce speed limits!" People really don't need to loudly proclaim their ignorance and supporting their ignorance makes a statement too...

  14. Re:I hope... by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 2

    This happens with every technology when the barrier to entry is significantly lowered. I'm sure early automobile enthusiasts felt the same way about the Model-T ruining their happy-go-lucky days of driving without licenses.

    It was quite dangerous to be near anyone driving at the time. Most did not know how to drive, obviously did not start with the benefit of being an automobile passenger for 15 years, and they tended to think of it as a carriage without the horses and drove them accordingly. Comedy and injury ensued. So probably about the same as drones.

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  15. I have several drones and I support this by Cyberax · · Score: 2

    I have several drones (two quadrocopters and an octocopter) and I definitely support this.

    First, the requirement is not onerous. There are no serious licensing requirements.

    Second, having drones to be traceable is a good thing - if somebody crashes them into your window then you'd definitely want to find who did it. And never mind that a crashed drone can sometimes catch fire (mine did) from a ruptured battery (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... as an example).

    Third, there is some honey here - FAA plans to review restrictions on flying inside the national parks once the registration system is up and running.