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Greenwald: Why the CIA Is Smearing Edward Snowden After Paris Attacks (latimes.com)

JoeyRox points out that Glenn Greenwald has some harsh words for the CIA in an op-ed piece for the LA Times. From the article: "Decent people see tragedy and barbarism when viewing a terrorism attack. American politicians and intelligence officials see something else: opportunity. Bodies were still lying in the streets of Paris when CIA operatives began exploiting the resulting fear and anger to advance long-standing political agendas. They and their congressional allies instantly attempted to heap blame for the atrocity not on Islamic State but on several preexisting adversaries: Internet encryption, Silicon Valley's privacy policies and Edward Snowden."

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  1. Re:Smearing? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He's a traitor by any definition.

    Except for the one in the Constitution, which would be, y'know, the legal one in his case.

  2. Where was the CIA, FBI and NSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When Russia told the US about the Boston Marathon bombers?
    When a flight instructor told the US about people who wanted to fly planes, but not land them before 9/11?

    We have replaced credible human intelligence with signals intelligence. Making the hay stack bigger only makes the needles harder to find.

    1. Re:Where was the CIA, FBI and NSA... by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How do you know it was credible, besides through the benefit of hindsight? The CIA/FBI/police get 100 tip-offs per day that the stranger down the street must be a drug dealer/kiddie fiddler/international terrorist because he can't whistle 'Dixie'.

      Strawman argument. The point is that there were several credible warnings of both an Al Qaeda attack and specific concerns with piloting students affiliated with them, some from foreign intelligence agencies; all these reports were not duly considered and discarded -- not because they were the moral equivalent of not being able to whistle "Dixie", but because of organizational and political dysfunction.

      It was a failure -- specifically a failure to do something that was well within the government's power to do. I'm not saying that signals intelligence is not important, but it's an evasion of responsibility to claim our failure to take effective action was because we needed some technical capability that we lacked at the time. We had everything we needed to catch the 9/11 hijackers before they struck except for leadership.

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  3. Re:Smearing? by GreatKhalCaleb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How are they smearing him, again? He's a traitor by any definition. He's lucky to not be executed.

    Through false accusations, thats how. Did he break the law? Yes. The paris attacks were proven to have no relation to encryption. Smear him if you will, but smear him with what crimes he ACTUALLY committed.

  4. Manipulation of Big Media is shocking by meadow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The level of manipulation of Big Media in the United States is shocking and should alarm anyone. The "news" was filled with stories about how there's now suddenly a big debate about encryption and how Silicon Valley is in the hot seat. Really?!? Completely manufactured bullshit brought to you by the oligarchy which very tightly controls Big Media, controls what the agenda is (and is not), and works overtime to manipulate the public to further its agenda of greed.

    Thank God Glen Greenwald pointed this out. I guess that's one thing I'm truly thankful for on this day!

  5. Re:Smearing? by MacTO · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Traitor in the sense that he betrayed the various agencies involved in espionage, sure.

    Traitor to the American people, and to a large extent citizens of the free nations of the world, that is an open question.

    Unfortunately, it will remain an open question because there is virtually no possibility of him receiving a fair and open trial. Even if we ignore all of the cries for his execution, the laws that he allegedly broke ensure that he is tried by parties associated with the prosecution.

  6. Because the CIA is evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because the CIA is fucking evil. Next question?

    Seriously, the CIA is responsible for the creation of Al Qaeda as a threat to America, you're welcome for 9/11. Then the CIA was responsible for torturing people and provoking new terrorist recruitment, running the drone killing campaign which spawns ten terrorists for every one it kills, and now we have ISIS which is a result of W. Bush's stupid illegal invasion of Iraq, which HIS OWN FATHER warned him would happen. But Bush and the CIA people annoyed his father didn't do it went ahead anyway, and look where we are now.

    1. Re:Because the CIA is evil. by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Last I checked, the CIA wasn't beheading little girls.

      Only blowing them up with drone strikes and bombs as "collateral damage". And supporting budding dictators who later behead little girls.

  7. Re: Snowden unquestionably hurt the intel communit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That he hurry the Intel community isn't the point either. He showed them to be lying to Congress and operating illegally.

  8. Re:Smearing? by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since when have any of those people really cared about what the Constitution says?

  9. Just like Liberals use school shootings to push... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Just like Liberals use school shootings to push gun grabbing laws and work to repeal the 2nd amendment. Nothing different here at all. Hell, even Obama went on TV before the bodies were cold in Oregon and disgustingly spoke of politics to push his and the rest of the Democrats agenda of gun grabbing. They do this all the time, fear mongering liberals. They even use those horrible incidents to attack the NRA, comparing them to "terrorists" in a grotesque and shallow display of arrogance and ignorance. There is NO DIFFERENCE in what they're doing. It's horrible and they should be held accountable for it, not put on a throne and praised by the ignorant and easily manipulated.

  10. Re:Smearing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You mean he exposed the real traitors to the US constitution, AKA the US intelligence services?

  11. Re:Smearing? by pellik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They care a great deal about what the constitution says. The problem is that they don't seem to care what the constitution means.

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  13. Re:Good old fashioned crisis management... by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In fact raising Snowden makes me even more worried because it demonstrates the people supposedly with the "intelligence" are as dumb as planks.
    The CIA needs to be dismantled and replaced with something a bit better than this

  14. Bravo, Glenn Greenwald. by kheldan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nice to see someone unafraid to speak the truth, especially someone involved with the media.

    Too bad he'll die in a tragic accident very soon and/or be completely discredited and/or found guilty of being in posession of child porn or illegal drugs or other contraband, and everything he had to say denied as false.

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  15. Re:Snowden unquestionably hurt the intel community by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So you think that dangerous and criminal enemies of the constitution should not be hurt at all but protected from the results of their despicable acts? Is that what you are saying?

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  16. Re:Smearing? by rainer_d · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Turns out, the head of the group who ran the Paris attacks even gave an interview to a radical Islamic publication back in February, where he got as close to announcing the attacks as you can get without giving a date.

    Back in the day, before this sig-int shit got so big that everything else suffocates under it, back in the day, people in intelligence agencies had to read (and understand) newspapers, compile reports about articles, people, developments.
    That also required a certain level of "intelligence", of course. Which means "able to think".

    These days, it looks like that is actually a disqualification...

    Why is this worrysome?
    Because ISIS is real. And currently, the strategy to defeat them seems to be to get more brutal, more ruthless, more lethal with them. It's a "race to the bottom" we can't win - or only, if we turn ourselves into something that looks very similar to the enemy we want to win over.

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