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'No Such Thing As a Free Gift' Casts a Critical Eye At Gates Foundation (theintercept.com)

theodp writes: The Intercept's Michael Massing takes a look at "How the Gates Foundation Reflects the Good and the Bad of 'Hacker Philanthropy." He writes, "Despite its impact, few book-length assessments of the foundation's work have appeared. Now Linsey McGoey, a sociologist at the University of Essex, is seeking to fill the gap. 'Just how efficient is Gates's philanthropic spending?' she asks in No Such Thing as a Free Gift. 'Are the billions he has spent on U.S. primary and secondary schools improving education outcomes? Are global health grants directed at the largest health killers? Is the Gates Foundation improving access to affordable medicines, or are patent rights taking priority over human rights?' As the title of her book suggests, McGoey answers all of these questions in the negative. The good the foundation has done, she believes, is far outweighed by the harm." Massing adds, "Bill and Melinda Gates answer to no electorate, board, or shareholders; they are accountable mainly to themselves. What's more, the many millions of dollars the foundation has bestowed on nonprofits and news organizations has led to a natural reluctance on their part to criticize it. There's even a name for it: the 'Bill Chill' effect."

156 comments

  1. She's right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Bill should have just kept all the lucre. Then there would be nothing to criticize.

    1. Re: She's right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yes, I recall Bill and Melinda Gates sneaking up behind me, clubbing me on the back of the head, and stealing my money...oh, wait, they didn't do that.

      You're an idiot.

    2. Re: She's right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're calling him an idiot and you didn't even notice the club?

    3. Re: She's right. by hey! · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, I recall Bill and Melinda Gates sneaking up behind me, clubbing me on the back of the head...

      Because we all know that's the only way there is to steal money...

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    4. Re: She's right. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, I recall Bill and Melinda Gates sneaking up behind me, clubbing me on the back of the head, and stealing my money...oh, wait, they didn't do that.

      Yes they did. Throughout the 1990s, Microsoft used monopolistic practices to compel almost anyone buying a computer to pay a tax to Microsoft, whether you wanted their software or not. They made large political donations to keep this scam going in spite of court rulings that it was illegal. I believe that Bill's foundation is a huge force for good in the world, but let's not sugar coat the scummy business practices that made it possible.

    5. Re: She's right. by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Bill was great at separating personal idealism from maximizing business profits. When it was time for business, he made use of all of his options. He's like one of those people that says, change the laws if you don't want me doing what I do. He will exploit laws to their fullest. His business practices were just a symptom, fix the issue.

    6. Re: She's right. by Wootery · · Score: 1

      Ah, yes. The usual No you don't understand, he only did it to get rich! argument.

  2. Re:She's Wrong. by edibobb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe they can do much more good without jumping through the bureaucratic hoops. It's their money. Why do they need to account to Linsey McGoey for the way they spend it?

  3. It's a Criminal Organisation by segedunum · · Score: 1, Troll

    Like all these so called 'philanthropic' organisations they are designed primarily as a tax-free haven for their cash pile. Secondly, they are there to promote drugs and get people dependant on aid that makes many companies a significant amount of money. It's amazing what you can get away with under the guise of 'charity', which is why every sportsman and woman, and their dogs seem to have one.

    1. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a case of the road to hell being paved with good intentions. I doubt its some concentrated effort on bills part to get everyone hooked on malaria drugs. The end result is the same regardless but I'll at least give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise he would have better tax evasion systems in place and/or be even more vocal about how totally-amazing-and-not-at-all-a-scam his foundation is. (Looking at you Clintons...)

    2. Re: It's a Criminal Organisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about.

    3. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like a fucking idiot. There is no possible way you can grunt childishly at the math here and claim that Gates wouldn't have a _lot_ more money if he just invested his wealth instead of running this charity.

      You're pretty much a fucking stupid pig, and your outlook on life is risible. Get off the conspiracy theories you fucking dipshit.

    4. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by bloodhawk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      LOL dude you don't have a fucking clue how tax works do you? this article is really really bad, reads like a whine fest of "they aren't focusing on the areas we want them to therefore anything good they do is outweighed by not doing what we want". She is more than free to create and fund her our foundation and focus on the ills she believes haunts the world instead of bitching about others that are actually trying to help

    5. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But she has a book to sell! It wouldn't sell at all if she just reported that the fund was doing an ok job on a massive scale but might do better possibly. Won't you think of the poor authors doing shocking expose books? Where's the charity fund to contribute to them!?

    6. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Giving away "free" licenses for Microsoft products isn't what I'd call charity either.

    7. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Her complaints are fact based, researched and have substance, your comment is butthurt whining with zero specifics. Congrats for adding nothing at all to the conversation and baiting the mods.

    8. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by segedunum · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      LOL dude you don't have a fucking clue how tax works do you?

      You certainly don't, obviously. There's one born every minute.......

      She is more than free to create and fund her our foundation and focus on the ills she believes haunts the world instead of bitching about others that are actually trying to help...

      That 'foundation' isn't helping, that's the point. It's there to commit fraud under the guise of charity and then clueless fuckwits like you come out and defend it.

      'Insightful' my fucking arse......

    9. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by segedunum · · Score: 1, Troll

      You sound like a fucking idiot. There is no possible way you can grunt childishly at the math here and claim that Gates wouldn't have a _lot_ more money if he just invested his wealth instead of running this charity.

      The last I looked sunshine Bill Gates became the richest man in the world again - by not doing anything and giving all his money away! Incredible.

      You're pretty much a fucking stupid pig, and your outlook on life is risible. Get off the conspiracy theories you fucking dipshit.

      I see the Gates Foundation astroturfers are out on day release?

    10. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by segedunum · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I'm afraid selling a book doesn't lessen the seriousness of what's going on. Philanthropy, as in the case of Carnegie, is all about ego, power and influence and nothing to do with helping anyone. It is corrupt, and not just in the case of the Gates Foundation.

    11. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      really you are clueless. When you grow up and get a job and pay tax you will realise that you don't get taxed on what you own, you get taxed on what you earn and under no scenario does giving money to a charity increase you income or hide a fucking thing. if you give 10 dollars to charity and get a 5 dollar tax deduction you are STILL out 5 dollars.

    12. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by bloodhawk · · Score: 1, Troll

      yes her complaints are fact, they are not doing what she wants. Thank fuck for that, people like her always believe they can do better but instead of actually doing better they whine about others that are actually making an effort. Gates foundation has saved millions of lives, she is butt hurt that it isn't the millions of lives she would have prioritised and that no one else got a say in who and how they made there chooses.

    13. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by bws111 · · Score: 2

      What a crock. Everyone has their own reasons for doing whatever they do. Some people do good things to please another person, some do them because they believe in an afterlife, some do them for their own egos, some do them to look good. Who the fuck cares what the motivation is? Important things are being done, and people's lives are better for it.

      Then there are people like the author, and you, who try to build up their own pitiful egos by tearing down others. The only difference in the two approaches is that the philanthropist actually accomplishes something positive for others, and you don't.

    14. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by dryeo · · Score: 1

      When you become one of the class of people who don't need a job, you'll find that with zero income from wages means that $5 tax cut puts you into negative tax country.

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    15. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhhh, not sure what the hell you're talking about. The only way to get to negative tax country is by tax credits. But charitable giving is a tax deduction, not a credit. And yes, deductions can take you to 0 tax, but it can't get you to negative.

    16. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by bws111 · · Score: 1

      No, it doesn't. Charitable giving is a deduction, not a credit. Deductions reduce your total, not earned, income.

    17. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Robber barons have always tried to buy forgiveness..

      Nothing new in that.

      This just happens to be the biggest robber baron ever.

    18. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it does - when the "charity" is used to pay bribes to buy goods from the company(s) your income is derived from.

    19. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by dryeo · · Score: 1

      If your deductions mean that you owe negative taxes, it means that you owe zero taxes. I wouldn't be surprised if Bill Gates income taxes are close to zero as I doubt that he has any earnings, just capital gains with a lot of write-offs. Shit, I've ran a small business where the tax burden was basically negative (from investing savings and having very little profit) at first. Of course I didn't get the negative back but at least where I am there is income averaging, though not for wage earners.
      If you're a business or a foundation, generally the tax system works in your favour compared to just a wage earner and the parent was talking about wage earners, "When you grow up and get a job and pay tax you will realise that you don't get taxed on what you own, you get taxed on what you earn" were the ACs words

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    20. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The last I looked sunshine Bill Gates became the richest man in the world again

      So? If he wasn't giving money away, he would be even richer. Philanthropy can be deducted from your taxable income, reducing your total tax bill, but you can only save a fraction of what you give. It is not a net win.

    21. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by khallow · · Score: 1

      Philanthropy, as in the case of Carnegie, is all about ego, power and influence and nothing to do with helping anyone. It is corrupt

      No, that is not the meaning of corrupt. First, ego, power, and influence are perfectly valid reasons for charity. You should be happy that there is a society where greed and ambition can lead to charitable acts.

    22. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      The last I looked sunshine Bill Gates became the richest man in the world again

      So? If he wasn't giving money away, he would be even richer.

      I don't think any of you really grasp how staggeringly wealthy he is in any case. It really does not matter to Gates whether he gives billions to charity or not, gets tax deductions or not, invests it or not.

      For example he has a salary (in 2014) from Microsoft of $32,000 per day, more than many people in developed nations earn in a year. But that is negligible compared with other incomes. From 2013-2014 his investments increased by $15 billion - about $40 million per day, more than the income of some nations. And all on top of his existing wealth.

      These amounts are very difficult to imagine. Even if he received no more income for the rest of his life (say 20 years) he could for example buy a new car every 2 minutes (but have no time to drive them).

      It is impossible for him to "enjoy" all his wealth directly. Tax breaks, investment income, giving it away - they all mean nothing to him and do not affect his way of life in the slightest, unless he gave away all but a tiny fraction.

    23. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by nukenerd · · Score: 2

      Gates foundation has saved millions of lives

      You should keep reminding yourself that Gates obtained vast amounts of that money crookedly - I would say the vast majority of it. He and his company found themselves in a position of being able to exploit a monolpoly, and continue with dirty tricks to the preent day.

      So his wealth did not materialise from thin air (or in a differnt analogy, got dug up from hiding in the ground like oil or coal). Most of his wealth came by illicit transfer from other people. How do you know that those other people would not have made better use of their money? I have given money to charities, but they have been charities of my choosing, not Gates'. By your logic, it would be fine if someone robbed banks as long as they dropped some in the charity box on the way out the door.

    24. Re: It's a Criminal Organisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you're jealous as all fuck.

      Sorry about your stupid ass being unable to earn money.

    25. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      yes her complaints are fact, they are not doing what she wants. Thank fuck for that, people like her always believe they can do better but instead of actually doing better they whine about others that are actually making an effort.

      You do realize that Bill Gates essentially stole his fortune, right? The DoJ found that Microsoft had illegally abused its monopoly position in pretty much every way we have a name for. Then Ashcroft (under Bush) announced that even though we had already spent all the money and done all the work to figure that out, there would be no penalties. Shortly thereafter, Gates turned his ill-gotten gains into a foundation, and now we're arguing about whether he's helping or hurting more people, which is what we've been doing for basically the entire time it's been a thing. How quickly you rubes forget that Bill Gates is a career criminal.

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    26. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      you don't get taxed on what you own

      Property tax on house and car. Now that I'm retired, property tax is my single biggest budget item, followed closely by heating a house in New Hampshire. Together, they account for about 40% of my yearly expenditures.

      under no scenario does giving money to a charity increase you income or hide a fucking thing.

      Giving money, no. But there are plenty of scams for giving physical things and claiming a value far in excess of actual cost, resulting in a reduction of income tax more than the cost of the gift.

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    27. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The missing piece is exactly as you say- imagine how much better off everyone would be if Bill Gates had not stolen so much money in the first fucking place.

    28. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should keep reminding yourself that Gates obtained vast amounts of that money crookedly

      Yes look at them bundling their web browser with their operating system, how crooked! Imagine they had done what Apple do today on their iOS devices and bundled it and set it as the defaults and not let users change it!

      Say what you will but we wouldnt even have cheap commodity PC hardware if it weren't for Microsoft popularising the common PC platform. We would have loads of proprietary console-like devices instead. As it stands you can buy PC hardware at relatively low prices and put whatever software you want on it, you can even buy prebuilt machines with Windows on them that you can wipe and install whatever you want.

    29. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These amounts are very difficult to imagine. Even if he received no more income for the rest of his life (say 20 years) he could for example buy a new car every 2 minutes (but have no time to drive them).

      This is a bit dated, but it gives a good visual impression. Gates's wealth equals a stack of $100 bills literally into the stratosphere:

      http://www.lcurve.org/

    30. Re:It's a Criminal Organisation by segedunum · · Score: 1

      When you grow up and get a job and pay tax you will realise that you don't get taxed on what you own, you get taxed on what you earn....

      No fucking idea how that works for the rich, have you you anonymous retard?

  4. It's their money... by fred911 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Bill and Melinda Gates answer to no electorate, board, or shareholders; they are accountable mainly to themselves."

    What makes anyone think they have a right to an accounting?

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    1. Re:It's their money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If the foundation is actually doing harm, rather than good, then people should know this and raise a fuss about it so that the directors hear it, if nothing else.

      Charity can be complex, as it turns out. Authentic efforts at providing aid can have unintended consequences. One poignant example is giving free food to communities that are on the edge of starvation. The side effect is that, people eat the free food and spend their pennies on something other than food, which instantly bankrupts the local farmers. It takes quite a long time before the farmers can set up shop again, so now where there was a barely-sufficient food supply, there is no food supply at all, and the dependence on charity is even greater.

      The most effective charity efforts are ones that increase the community's ability to self-sustain. This means increasing their general level of economic activity. Microcredit has a very good track-record at doing this, but is commonly (and incorrectly) criticized as a means of making money off poor people, and of burdening them with financial debt in addition to their other woes. When done right, micro credit has neither of these effects, and much better long-term benefits than just giving away free food.

      Surprisingly, giving away free money has actually been shown to promote healthier, more self-sustaining economies. People think "those poor people will just spend it on booze" which might make sense in a first world country where "the poor" are the mentally-diseased bums that can never and will never hold a job. In reality, when free money is given to members of poor communities, they treat it like gold and use it very wisely.

      My two cents.

    2. Re:It's their money... by phantomfive · · Score: 1, Insightful
      According to the quote in the article, this is the problem:

      "despite their flair for disruption, these philanthropists are no more interested in radical change than their more conservative predecessors. They don’t lobby for the redistribution of wealth; instead, they see poverty and inequality as an engineering problem, and the solution is their own brain power, not a tithe.”

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    3. Re:It's their money... by Threni · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Always people sitting around doing fuck all, criticising others. "Personally, if I'd earned billions of dollars and was going to spend it on other people, I'd do it this way".

      FUCK OFF! Nobody cares!

    4. Re:It's their money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So the problem is that they're not communists?
      Are we supposed to be shocked that the reason a rich guy is giving away money is not because he thinks someone should have taken it away?

    5. Re:It's their money... by JeffreyLear · · Score: 1

      I think this may have something to do with the amount spent? I am sure we all dream of winning the lottery and what we might do with the money? Perhaps you choose to give a local school a helping hand, maybe giving money to a fund usually patronised by parents? If you give a large sum what is the point of parents also giving money? Your donation has effectively disengaged people.

    6. Re:It's their money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "redistribution of wealth"

      Well, I know when to ignore someone. (And, just to be clear, raising the minimum wage or taking other measures to help the poor isn't the same thing as "redistribution of wealth". One is trying to help people, the other is envy and hatred in the form of class warfare.)

    7. Re:It's their money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Yes they said that.

      Some Article: Joe and Jane smith should not murder bums and put their corpses in their basement.

      Someone: But Joe and Jane don't murder anyone!!!

      You: It never said they did, stop being childish.

      God, people are so fucking stupid. If I didn't know for a fact how stupid you are I'd think you were trying to be cute, but I know differently.

    8. Re:It's their money... by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it's more a problem of people saying, "Since they are not solving the problems that I see, they are not solving problems and therefore bad."

      Kind of like the blind men holding on to different parts of the elephant, and each describing it drastically differently. We all see different problems in the world because we have different viewpoints.

      For myself, I think the problem of inequality is impossible to solve, and I would not even attempt it. I am willing to fight against poverty, and I do put resources and effort into that problem. That said, if someone else wants to try, good for them.

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    9. Re:It's their money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YES they did say that.

    10. Re:It's their money... by hey! · · Score: 0

      What makes anyone think they have a right to an accounting?

      I'd say anyone who pays taxes in a jurisdiction which grants the foundation tax-exempt status would have a reasonable claim to a right to an accounting.

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    11. Re:It's their money... by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      Proving once again that "no good deed goes unpunished".

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    12. Re:It's their money... by pepty · · Score: 4, Informative

      What makes anyone think they have a right to an accounting?

      Tax laws. As a tax exempt organization, they have to release their 990 at a minimum. Here you go: http://www.gatesfoundation.org... People who donate should expect more information, but the Gates foundation does not solicit donations. Since no one has addressed McGooey's concerns on Gates' spending on public health:

      As McGoey briefly acknowledges, the foundation’s investment of more than $15 billion in this field “has done considerable good.” That seems an understatement. Thanks in part to the Gateses’ strong investment in vaccines for infectious diseases, deaths from measles in Africa have dropped by 90 percent since 2000. Over the last quarter century, tuberculosis mortality worldwide has fallen by 45 percent, while over the last dozen years the number of new malaria cases has dropped by 30 percent. And polio, which in 1988 was endemic in 125 countries, is today endemic in only two. The foundation has also played an important part in fighting the spread of HIV and helping those infected with the virus to lead productive lives. For this, Bill and Melinda Gates deserve much credit.

      The question is, has this been the best use of their money? As McGoey notes, chronic diseases, as opposed to communicable ones, exact a staggering toll worldwide, yet the foundation has invested less than 4 percent of its funding in research on them, and the global health community has largely followed suit. “The failure to combat obesity, cancer and heart disease epidemics in poor nations,” she observes, “has been one of the most glaring mistakes of global development efforts in recent years.”

      So she agrees they have spent their money very effectively, but criticize them for not trying to fix problems in third world countries that have proven to be intractable in first world countries.

      Hokeydokey.

      The Gates Foundation hasn't cured cancer, heart disease, or the obesity epidemic, therefore it is ineffective. Then she criticizes them for not creating primary care infrastructure in third world countries. Until recently, that is, when they started spending money on creating primary care infrastructure.

    13. Re:It's their money... by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      The sensible goal is not to eliminate inequity but to narrow the gap to something that 'reasonable' people can live with, for example in most scandinavian countries the tax system makes it difficult/impossible for the highest paid to earn more than ~10X the lowest paid. You can still have your corporate empire but you can't suck it dry and spend it all on solid gold plumbing.

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    14. Re:It's their money... by AK+Marc · · Score: 0

      So they should call it a Windows Religion. Religions have all of the benefits, and none of the accounting. Religions do blatantly illegal things (like buy spare land, then rent it out for a profit, and roll the profit from that business venture into the church losses, while getting the extra land tax-free). But since nobody wants to go to hell for arresting God, nobody cares about the abuses by religious charities.

      And if B&M Gates is poor, try the United Way and the piles of other charitable organizations who exist to solicit donations, skim admin fees off the top, then redistribute the funds to charities they see fit. Any charity that actually does something, even if that something is bad and unneeded, is still better than 90% of the charities out there.

    15. Re:It's their money... by bws111 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A favorite target of the 'inequity' crowd seems to be Walmart. And why not, after all their average employee makes about $15K/year, while the CEO makes $26M. Until you do math, that is. There are 2.2M employees. Paying the CEO the same as everyone else, assuming you could find someone to do the job, would result in an extra $10 PER YEAR for each employee. Man, that is sure going to make their lives better.

    16. Re:It's their money... by jdavidb · · Score: 1

      It's nice to know some people still believe this.

    17. Re:It's their money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So ... if they were gifting AK-47s all legally bought and shipped to Africa's hot spots, instead of what they were doing now, you would've still been OK with it?

      When you put money in a society it matters what happens to it. For example, If it goes to crooked officials, then it only strengthens their position and regimme ... But don't take my word for it, even if I've seen it firsthand ...

    18. Re:It's their money... by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      The reasoning behind the inequality movement isn't to help the poor people, rather it's to prevent the rich from having too much power. If you limited the salary of the Walmart CEO to $3million a year, he would still be rich, but wouldn't have as much money to manipulate the government.

      That is the theory, anyway.

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    19. Re:It's their money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sensible goal is not to eliminate inequity but to narrow the gap to something that 'reasonable' people can live with, for example in most scandinavian countries the tax system makes it difficult/impossible for the highest paid to earn more than ~10X the lowest paid. You can still have your corporate empire but you can't suck it dry and spend it all on solid gold plumbing.

      Gates did not get his fortune from earnings, nor did most of the billionaires.
      They got their wealth because they owned something that they made, and the wealth they have is due to the value of what they owned.
      They did not get it from earning 10, 100, or 1000000x the workers. They got it from the value of what they made. And there is no way to prevent creating value outside of a state-controlled economy like communism.

      As for the Scandinavian's holding down the wealth gap ...
      http://www.slate.com/articles/...

    20. Re:It's their money... by segedunum · · Score: 1

      What makes anyone think they have a right to an accounting?

      Because people get removed from their jobs and don't get funding if there is any criticism?

    21. Re:It's their money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These people are funding special schools, the kind that purport to give children an edge. The best of those schools are middle of the road, the worst behind the average. The advertising says differently.

      It is reprehensible to damage other people (the children, parents, etc) without accountability.

    22. Re:It's their money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > What makes anyone think they have a right to an accounting?

      The foundation makes grandiose claims about being accountable and evidence based. When I look at their site I see little to no evidence of this.

    23. Re:It's their money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the inequality movement " is about making everyone equally poor. Today anyone making a lot of money are branded as cheaters and exploiters. And encouraging the government to step in and some how legislate a solution to manage wealth distribution is the stupidest idea out there. People rail against the government and then turn around and give the government even more control over their lives.

    24. Re:It's their money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very true! Give Directly is one of the most effective charities in the world three years in a row now. They give small micro payments to the poorest people without any rules or requirements on how to spend it. If you ever wanted to donate to a charity, this is the one to go for to provide the most benefit for the least amount.

    25. Re:It's their money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Surprisingly, giving away free money has actually been shown to promote healthier, more self-sustaining economies.
      > People think "those poor people will just spend it on booze" which might make sense in a first world country where
      > "the poor" are the mentally-diseased bums that can never and will never hold a job. In reality, when free money is given
      > to members of poor communities, they treat it like gold and use it very wisely.

      Very strange thinking. In practice, "the poor" in the first world countries are the ones that are the ones destroyed by psychiatrists and others so that it is difficult to get a job.

      Also, in reality, in the first world countries the people labelled with "mental illness" have much WORSE outcomes than in developing countries because in developed countries the system is more sophisticated to destroy them. In developing countries they can at least actively try to get a job etc but in developed countries the system (of greed) wants to make at much money as possible from them before killing them (and helping them would make it possible to escape from "psychiatric slavery" (treatment against will, other tactics so that it is difficult to get a job and much more easier just get money from psychiatrists (as long as government is ready to pay something..).

      The treatment of "mental illness" and completely "healthcare system" is completely broken:

      1) Mind cannot be ill
      2) Doctors should not be able to write sick leaves and should run their business like normal companies instead of hospitals
      3) Anybody should be able to work a doctor (you then decide who you hire and trust - even idiot can deal out seroquel for insomnia if someone really needs it..)
      4) It should be much more easier to sue doctors for mistreatment
      5) Treatment objectives should be decided by the customer (you only pay them something if "your long term profits has increased - patient makes more money at the end of the treatment instead before the treatment.." and the treatment has been succesful etc.

    26. Re:It's their money... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If the foundation is actually doing harm, rather than good,

      They're doing both. The question is which they're doing more.

      then people should know this and raise a fuss about it so that the directors hear it, if nothing else.

      They already know.

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    27. Re:It's their money... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      A favorite target of the 'inequity' crowd seems to be Walmart.

      Yes, that makes sense; they don't pay a living wage, and their existence destroys [small] businesses which do, at least to a larger percentage of their workforce.

      And why not, after all their average employee makes about $15K/year, while the CEO makes $26M. Until you do math, that is. There are 2.2M employees. Paying the CEO the same as everyone else, assuming you could find someone to do the job, would result in an extra $10 PER YEAR for each employee.

      There's lots of other places that you could squeeze money out of Wal-Mart besides just the CEO's salary. You've actually overestimated his pay for 2015, at least according to the official filings.

      C. Douglas McMillon, President and CEO: $19,070,249.00
      Charles M. Holley Jr., Executive Vice President and CFO: $7,294,712.00
      Neil M. Ashe, Executive Vice President: $9,434,570.00
      Rosalind G. Brewer, Executive Vice President: $9,549,184.00
      David Cheesewright, Executive Vice President: $10,059,475.00
      Gregory S. Foran, Executive Vice President: $19,531,039.00

      But that's not all! For the fiscal year ended January 31, 2015, Walmart increased net sales by 1.9% to $482.2 billion and returned $7.2 billion to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases. So yeah. On one hand, there's a lot more executive compensation than what you accounted for in your calculations. On the other hand, that's totally irrelevant, as you said. On the third hand, it's still a shit argument, because Wal-Mart actually spent billions of dollars on dividends and stock buyback. Surely they could have given one of those seven billions to their workers.

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    28. Re:It's their money... by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      Gates [and other billionaires got their wealth because they] owned something that they made, and the wealth they have is due to the value of what they owned.

      But DOS and Windows were not worth what we paid. We paid Microsoft because we were forced to. I have bought PC's with Windows installed, and some of my money went to MS, even though it was of no value to me whatsoever - being that I was going to install OS/2 (at the time) or Linux. Even people who did want Windows were being massively overcharged because of MS's monopoly - MS had thottled its rivals until recently.

      And there is no way to prevent creating value outside of a state-controlled economy like communism.

      But the PC scene until relatively recently was exactly like a state-controlled economy - with Microsoft in the position of the state, preventing rivals from entering the market.

    29. Re:It's their money... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Your poor grammar makes it difficult to understand what you're trying to say.

      A mind more certainly can be ill. Brain tumors and parasites, bad body chemistry, can all negatively affect brain function. Brain function encompasses nearly all of what we consider to be "mind".

      As just one example, depression is frequently a positive-feedback system -- unhappiness leading to inactivity and bad dietary choices and the generation of bodily chemicals that further deepen unhappiness. Correcting body chemistry may break the cycle. The mind was ill, the chemicals allowed it to be cured.

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    30. Re:It's their money... by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      I think there must be some kind of grouping fallacy here. Just because you can divide a big number by a big number and get a small number, doesn't mean that it isn't a big number. You can make anything small that way. I could steal 6 billion dollars from somewhere. But no, I'm hardly stealing since it's less than $1 per person. Through your ridiculous classification scheme, you have created a class of one person (the CEO) and another class of 2.2M people and treated them as coherent entities.

    31. Re:It's their money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone intimately involved in Kenya, I have yet to encounter any obesity epidemic. The very idea is laughable. Heart disease is very rare as people live physical lives and rarely smoke. Cancer kills the old, sometimes even the young with leukemia.

      Obesity and heart disease are rich people's problems, where "rich" is defined as having an income somewhere around the poverty level in the USA, or maybe half that.

      Gates knows what he's doing, and McGoey has a point of view that requires grasping at straws to support it.

    32. Re:It's their money... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Cool, so if I do the Superman... III and Office Space thing and steal one cent from everyone in America each day, no one cares right? I mean, it'd make me really really happy, and if no one else cares, it's a utiliarianly justified action.

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    33. Re:It's their money... by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      To be fair, if their stated aim is to cure cancer, heart disease, or the obesity epidemic, they have obviously been ineffective. It is alright to criticize how someone is trying to achieve something, as long as they propose an alternative way.

    34. Re:It's their money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much money do you spend on shit you don't actually need? Maybe you should give that to somebody who earns less than you.

    35. Re:It's their money... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      How much money do you spend on shit you don't actually need? Maybe you should give that to somebody who earns less than you.

      I do, through taxes. Part of the problem is that a lot of very highly paid CEOs do not pay a proportionate amount of tax.

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  5. Re:She's Wrong. by doconnor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The government run school systems and aid agencies have to account for how the money is effecting them.

    Also, Linsey McGoey is fully in her rights to critique how they spend it.

  6. Irrelevant shit given pride of place in summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Bill and Melinda Gates answer to no electorate, board, or shareholders"
    Yeah, because elected officials are primarily worried about what happens in other jurisdictions rather than their own. And boards and shareholders are all about the betterment of humanity, not company profit. And I ride to work on my unicorn stallion named Fabio to impress the ladies.

    Even if she listed some sort of credible source of accountability, what does it prove that they don't have one? What did she claim or cite that indicates that the effects have been actually bad?

  7. Book misses major points by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful
    One of the big apparent complaints is Gates focus on infectious rather than chronic diseases. From the article:

    The same is true when it comes to the foundation’s work in public health. As McGoey briefly acknowledges, the foundation’s investment of more than $15 billion in this field “has done considerable good.” That seems an understatement. Thanks in part to the Gateses’ strong investment in vaccines for infectious diseases, deaths from measles in Africa have dropped by 90 percent since 2000. Over the last quarter century, tuberculosis mortality worldwide has fallen by 45 percent, while over the last dozen years the number of new malaria cases has dropped by 30 percent. And polio, which in 1988 was endemic in 125 countries, is today endemic in only two. The foundation has also played an important part in fighting the spread of HIV and helping those infected with the virus to lead productive lives. For this, Bill and Melinda Gates deserve much credit.

    So far so good.

    The question is, has this been the best use of their money? As McGoey notes, chronic diseases, as opposed to communicable ones, exact a staggering toll worldwide, yet the foundation has invested less than 4 percent of its funding in research on them, and the global health community has largely followed suit. “The failure to combat obesity, cancer and heart disease epidemics in poor nations,” she observes, “has been one of the most glaring mistakes of global development efforts in recent years.” An equally serious shortcoming has been the neglect of primary-care facilities in the developing world. The initial problems that the nations of West Africa faced in combating the Ebola outbreak stemmed in part from the weaknesses in their overall health systems. Interestingly, in late September, the Gates Foundation, together with WHO and the World Bank, announced a joint partnership aimed at improving access to primary care in poor and middle-income countries — a dramatic (if tacit) acknowledgement that the emphasis on fighting individual diseases has been too narrow.

    The primary reason it makes sense to focus on infectious diseases is that once they are gone, they are completely gone. Obesity and other problems don't go away permanently. In contrast if we wipe out malaria or polio, we won't have to deal with it again.

    Note also that every single one of the other major criticisms acknowledges that it is something that the Gates have changed already. For example, the article discusses how a number of the Foundation's early attempts at education reform didn't work well. But they changed what they were doing. So they are already using effective evaluations and metrics to decide things.

    I find it deeply unfortunate that someone spent an entire book criticizing the Gates Foundation when there are far more clear cut wastes of money out there. The Make a Wish Foundation is an example. They spent 58 million dollars last year http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.programs&orgid=4038#.VljSXnsyH3U and millions more came from businesses in parts of wishes to help a tiny number of dying children, whereas if that money was spent effectively on cancer research, there would be fewer children dying. Instead we have an entire book focusing on one of the most effective and efficient charities in on the planet which complains that they aren't efficient enough.

    1. Re:Book misses major points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thanks for posting this. It reaffirms my initial thought that this was risible criticism. If anything, the quoted text makes me realize I was too kind and it's not just silly it's actually maliciously stupid.

      So because the Gates spent billions saving actual lives that can be counted and measured they are wrong because instead they should invest money in things that already receive a lot of funding and have been studied for _decades_ like obesity, cancer, etc...

      ...because... that way at the end of the day the Gates will have saved probably 0 lives (cancer and especially obesity are both nearly intractable) versus having literally saved what, millions? Or does she think Gates has infinite money and can spend what he spends now on communicable disease and also spend equally on fucking obesity? Or maybe she thinks if he splits it 50/50 more people won't fucking LITERALLY DIE?

      I'm actually spluttering rage right now. How fucking stupid. If I was Gates I would take it personally and use a small portion of my money to ruin this bitch's life.

    2. Re:Book misses major points by khasim · · Score: 0

      I don't think she sufficiently covered the HOW which is the problem.

      They don't fund a charter school and see how the students there do.

      They fund political campaigns to move money FROM the existing system TO their system.

      When their system does not support their projections, they leave it. BUT THEY DO NOT PAY TO HAVE THE LAW REVERSED.

      So the end result is a worse public school system.

    3. Re:Book misses major points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The question is, has this been the best use of their money?

      McGoey's complaint is that the Gates Foundation (1) isn't optimizing it's donations and (2) isn't taking a boil-the-ocean approach. Let's take a look at the alternatives: (1) The foundation spends lots of time and money deciding on the optimal solution before it gives any money away, and (2) tries to solve all the problems everywhere at the same time. No matter what approach Gates takes he gets criticized by McGooey. Sounds to me like it's easy to be a critic and that no good deed goes unpunished.

    4. Re:Book misses major points by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      Thanks in part to the Gateses’ strong investment in vaccines for infectious diseases, deaths from measles in Africa have dropped by 90 percent since 2000.

      1. That's a *really* impressive achievement.
      2. Wait -- thanks to whose investment?
      3. Never mind, I misread that.
    5. Re:Book misses major points by bws111 · · Score: 1

      I agree with most of what you said, but think you unfairly slammed Make A Wish. $58M is about 1% of what the NIH alone spends on cancer research every year. Is an extra 1% really going to make that big of a difference? People and businesses who donate to Make A Wish know they are not funding research, they think they are making some poor dying kid happy for a little while. What is wrong with that? And if you are going to criticize how people choose to spend their money, there are FAR bigger targets. For instance, how much was spent last year to get the latest shiny smart phone, or on video games, music, movies, and sporting events.

    6. Re:Book misses major points by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      I agree that the total cost from MAW is relatively small. I'm not sure your metric is necessarily the bestf one looks not at all cancer funding but cancer research in children, one gets a much larger fraction. About 5% of all funding is for children's cancer (http://www.stbaldricks.org/filling-the-funding-gap/ says 4%) so this would be about 20% of funding for children's cancer. That may not be the best metric, because much cancer research applies to cancers at a broad age range, so I think I'd agree that the total amount is relatively small. According to Makke a Wish's own description they make one wish on average every 37 minutes http://wish.org/about-us which means they are making wishes for about 20,000 kids a year. In contrast, as the above link to St. Baldrick's notes, even for just St. B they came up about 8 million dollars short of funding all of the grant proposals that got considered to be outstanding. And they are very much not the only example of this sort of thing.

      On the other hand, there's a serious problem in at least allied fields where people claim that their basic research is cancer related so they can more easily get grant money. In my own field, math, one has people doing all sorts of abstract stats or imaging work or differential equation modeling which people claim is cancer related, and it generally is related in the sense that one specific application might be some sort of cancer research. So that suggests that in some respects funding is actually over-saturated in which case Make A Wish isn't doing that much direct harm.

    7. Re:Book misses major points by clovis · · Score: 1

      Agreed.
      And I want to pile on with my rant.

      Regarding infectious disease vs chronic diseases.
      This is largely a case of truly innocent vs people who are causing their own problems.

      As for chronic diseases, "obesity, cancer and heart disease epidemics in poor nations", umm, poor nations rates of those are less than affluent nations.
      Is Gates supposed to drop helping the truly innocent and poor people and instead focus on diseases of the affluent?

      Obesity isn't a disease. It is a life-style choice and the causes and cures are well known. No amount of Gates money can solve that problem.

      Premature heart disease is also largely due to life-style choices, is well understood, and the methods to prevent are well known. What is Gates supposed to do about cigarette smokers? What about people who refuse to exercise? Fund involuntary work camps in China? That one was already handled by Steve Jobs.

      Cancer? The disease also known as "the disease of affluence"?
      http://visual.ly/cancers-globa...
      Many people believe the rising rates of those diseases are solely due to increases in longevity.
      Does the author have some suggestion for reducing longevity? Oh, well, yes - stop vaccination programs.Two birds with one stone, eh?
      Also, the increase in certain rare 3rd world cancers are due to cancers resulting from infectious agents - a problem the affluent don't have so much.

      Is the author seriously suggesting Gates drop funding that saves millions of lives in third world countries in order to put more money into the already highly funded cancer research?

    8. Re:Book misses major points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obesity isn't a disease. It is a life-style choice and the causes and cures are well known.

      Or not. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

    9. Re:Book misses major points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Gates Foundation promotes circumcision (more properly: male genital mutilation) as a tool to curb HIV infections in Africa. But that flies in the face of reality: circumcision does absolutely nothing to stop HIV. Malawi tried that and infection rates skyrocketed instead.

    10. Re:Book misses major points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was too kind and it's not just silly it's actually maliciously stupid.

      That's also my take on it.

      Communicable diseases have an entirely different mathematical model than chronic diseases. Stopping a communicable disease at an early point can have an exponential benefit. Because of the way exponential functions work, it's simply impossible that (in the long term) you could get more value for your money by focusing on eradicating slower-growing diseases.

      This is just a case of someone who doesn't understand math.

    11. Re:Book misses major points by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Microsoft have done their bit against obesity.

      When we switched to Win 95 (from mainframes & dumb terminals) the constant BSODs used to get me so annoyed I had to go for a walk round the car park to calm down.

      I lost 6 kilos in the first month.

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    12. Re:Book misses major points by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      . Obesity and other problems don't go away permanently.

      It depends on how you get rid of obesity. Through diet and exercise at an individual level, sure. But if it's through some form of microbiological change, then maybe.

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    13. Re:Book misses major points by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      To say nothing of the spillover effects of granting wishes. The most common wish is apparently for a clubhouse of some kind, which of course ebenefits other children. Then you have great productions (like BatKid day) that make all of a city or the whole country feel good. And then there are teh "meeting celebrity" type wishes, which seem good for the celebrities as well as the child.

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  8. The problem is that nothing they give is free... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It always has strings attached.

    Money provided for:
    education - only Microsoft software used.
    medical - buy only from specific companies or research is still owned by the companies...

    As far as is visible, they are just an extension of Microsoft, but without taxes.

  9. Very Good Read by nuckfuts · · Score: 0

    Well written and insightful article. Well worth the read.

  10. Re:She's Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The government run school systems and aid agencies have to account for how the money is effecting them.

    It seems the Gates Foundation didn't fund your school enough.

  11. Re:The problem is that nothing they give is free.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    It always has strings attached.

    Money provided for:
    education - only Microsoft software used.
    medical - buy only from specific companies or research is still owned by the companies...

    As far as is visible, they are just an extension of Microsoft, but without taxes.

    Medical: When working in 3rd world countries, those strings are absolutely necessary or the money just goes into mansions and swiss bank accounts.

  12. Shorter version by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you save thousands of people from being killed or maimed by measles, polio, malaria, and other diseases in Africa, but you don't bow your head to the left's concerns over patents, then those people you helped don't matter. You must advance the cause. And the cause is about money, not about whether children are crippled by polio or die of measles.

    And the experiments to improve education threaten to disrupt the cash flow from teachers' union dues. Stop those too.

  13. Re:She's Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they can do much more good without jumping through the bureaucratic hoops.

    That's the same logic (ironically) that justifies government run markets. Turns out, most the time the system of supply and demand and capitalism does a much better job regulating the production and distribution of goods even with all the inherent waste (consider how many resources go into marketing, for instance). By the same token, some sort of regulation of the foundation, be it a custodial board or whatever, can help criticize the actual acts of the foundation instead of merely leaving it up to a few people who may be very unqualified on knowing how to get results when it comes to an area they've not demonstrated an aptitude for.

    It's their money. Why do they need to account to Linsey McGoey for the way they spend it?

    As the GP says, that was an option. You miss the obvious point, though, that since a regulatory system is obviously not in place internally, external "regulation" in the form of investigators end up taking their place and writing about it. This media-based inspection may or may not have any effect since, again, "it's their money". But if the whole point of the Foundation was not merely to achieve its ends but also to get some sort of positive PR, then presenting a case on where it's failing to actually deliver might change what the Foundation does and how it's structured so such issues are less likely to happen in the end.

    Funny how that works.

  14. Books thesis by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Here is the book's thesis:

    The good the foundation has done, she believes, is far outweighed by the harm

    The Gates foundation mainly spends money on education and healthcare. In healthcare, the Gates foundation has spent $15 billion on improving vaccines, etc. This (and money from other sources) has resulted in a reduction of deaths by measles in Africa by 90%. Polio, tuberculosis, and HIV have all been reduced, thanks in part to the Gates foundation.

    So what's the problem? According to the author, "The failure to combat obesity, cancer and heart disease epidemics in poor nations,” she observes, “has been one of the most glaring mistakes of global development efforts in recent years." So maybe they could have allocated their resources better.

    In education, the author is upset that the Gates foundation spent money on things that didn't work. For example, they spent billions to create small schools based on the idea that it would give students more personalized attention. Unfortunately, that didn't improve college acceptance rates, so Gates ended the program.

    If the author thinks that "dropping/modifying a program when data indicates it doesn't work" is a bad thing, then I'm forced to disagree heartily with her. In fact, if the only thing accomplished by the Gates foundation is to get people to do that more often, then it will be a huge success as far as I'm concerned. And I'm no fan of Gates.

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    1. Re:Books thesis by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, having worked in both the non-profit sector and in public health, I think the criticisms of the Gates Foundation's public health efforts are malarkey. It's basically an opportunity cost argument and by that standard virtually every charitable foundation is wanting. Why are you spending money on the ballet when there are kids who can't read? Why are you spending money on literacy education when there are kids who don't have enough to eat etc. The problems of the world are endlessly varied and complex, and you can't ask much more of anyone than that they pick a spot and take a whack.

      That said, the idea that spending money on infectious diseases is wasteful is particularly inane. Sure, in some places obesity may result in more premature deaths than malaria, but the fact is nobody really knows how to effectively fight an "obesity epidemic", whereas malaria is clearly eradicable -- and once it's gone, it's gone forever, because P. falciparum has no natural host other than humans. The same goes for communicable diseases for which we have vaccines; we know how to fight those cost effectively, even eradicate them in many cases. The missing piece of the puzzle is money.

      Now criticism of the foundation's education efforts is a lot more warranted. Just like everybody thinks they're qualified to design a website because they have opinions about which sites they like and don't like, everyone thinks they're qualified to redesign the educational system because they went to school. The difference is that Gates has the money to make his bad ideas materialize. It may be hacker philanthropy, but most attempts at "hacks" result in kluges.

      So overall it's a mixed bag. While you do have to give props to Gates for being "the man in the arena", sometimes, unlike in Teddy Roosevelt's famous speech, the man in the arena's failings don't fall exclusively on himself. So while philanthropy is admirable in itself, where the philanthropist's activities impinge on areas of public policy like education his actions should be held up to scrutiny like anyone else's.

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    2. Re:Books thesis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what's the problem? According to the author, "The failure to combat obesity, cancer and heart disease epidemics in poor nations,” she observes, “has been one of the most glaring mistakes of global development efforts in recent years." So maybe they could have allocated their resources better.

      Nonsense.

      Communicable diseases have an entirely different mathematical model of growth than chronic diseases. Communicable diseases spread exponentially, so money spent combating them exhibits an exponential increase in value over time. There is simply no chance that refocusing those resources mostly on slow-growing chronic diseases would have saved more lives. The math doesn't allow it. For example, the value of a single $5.00 polio vaccine administered in 1955 has grown over time to be worth millions of dollars in increased economic benefit.

      The only "glaring mistake" here is the failure of the author to understand math.

    3. Re:Books thesis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It appears to be more about feeling entitled to dictate how others spend their wealth. They're free to critique but not free to determine.

  15. Easily digestible. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow, this book is a Slashdotter's wet dream. I haven't read it, but if they include conspiracy theories about how Bill is actually somehow making more money off his donations, there will be a whole lot of splooge expelled while reading this book.

    First, it's his money, worst case he's putting it back in the economy to people who need it more. Second, no matter what course of philanthropic work you take there will be some way for someone to criticize it. It's similar to how conspiracy theories work. People ignore the _mountain_ of evidence for an event's explanation and instead nitpick on small details in a chaotic situation. "OMG the firefighter said something slightly off while sitting around in 9/11 chaos, it proves that it was a conspiracy!". Sorry, real life isn't all 1s and 0s.

    Sounds like some idiot who thinks they could do so much more good with someone else's money cherry-picking a bunch of bitter gripes.

  16. Anyone who believes in Gates' charities is a tool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh he'll give money to schools as long as they switch to common core.

  17. The Gates' have saved millions of lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    through their efforts at disease elimination. How many lives has Linsey McGoey saved? Zilch.

    1. Re:The Gates' have saved millions of lives by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      How much of a loss has she inflicted on the economy by her monopolistic practices?

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  18. Fail fast and fail often by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does the book recommend the fail fast approach?

    The fail-fast and fail-often approach could be criticized when applied to human beings. But the Gates foundation is in precisely the right place to try audacious ideas. Good for them to bin projects that didn't give results.

    1. Re:Fail fast and fail often by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      The fail-fast and fail-often approach could be criticized when applied to human beings.

      The only criticism I could reasonably see is that the children were harmed when the school was shut down too quickly. This doesn't seem to be the case, though....the students seem to have been transferred back to larger schools.

      Does the book recommend the fail fast approach?

      It should.

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  19. David Koch and NPR by Required+Snark · · Score: 0
    Watch any episode of Nova on NPR, and note that David Koch is listed as being a major supporter.

    Nova never does anything on global warming. He got what he paid for.

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    1. Re:David Koch and NPR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nova

      Looks like you lied. I'm the guy that fact checks liberals when they claim something that is black/white and can be without spin. Nearly 100% rate at proving them liars.

    2. Re:David Koch and NPR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nova also mentions global warming every-single-time they talk about the atmosphere, the weather, glaciers, the arctic, the oceans, alternative energy etc... I know because I watch it religiously (and lean right).

  20. Not nearly as catchy, even if it's a 'gift' by CCarrot · · Score: 1

    Hmm...NSTAAFG...nope, stil prefer TNSTAAFL, it's just easier to say...and I like food :)

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  21. Executive Summary by riskkeyesq · · Score: 1

    The Gates' give a fortune to causes they believe will improve life. Person without a foundation thinks they could do better. Examples given are not better. Some people may not be inclined to criticize the bestower of grants. Person without a foundation, or a Gates' grant, is a bit miffed.

  22. Kickstart Me by randalware · · Score: 1

    for a modest lump sum of $20,000,000 USD or Euro

    I will not say anything bad about Windows on the Internet for the rest of my life.

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  23. Ahh yes by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "They are acting liberal but not liberal ENOUGH! They don't subscribe to precisely my kind of politics, so I need to hate on what they do."

    People like the author piss me off. They aren't interested in any actual good, they are just interested in their agenda being pushed.

    1. Re:Ahh yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they are just interested in their agenda being pushed.

      Precisely. The wealth of Bill and Melinda Gates affords them the privilege to help or not help whomever they please and that is their perfect right. Contrast that with liberals who say that I must pay for something that I don't want and that the government should force me to contribute through taxation.

    2. Re:Ahh yes by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      "They are acting liberal but not liberal ENOUGH! They don't subscribe to precisely my kind of politics, so I need to hate on what they do."

      No, the argument is that they are acting conservatively. Conservatives will tell you all day that there's nothing liberal about charity, and arguably there's reason to agree; you can participate in charity due to enlightened self-interest. Gates has decided that he wants to live in a world with less infectious diseases, and sure I'm on his side in that. But the way he spends the money to "fix" the problem is a band-aid. The problems are caused by poverty, and if you don't fix that problem then there will just be new problems — some of them caused by the way in which the Gates foundation spends its money! If they spent the money to reduce income inequality, then they would make the world a better place persistently. But they spend the money on fighting symptoms, and resist actual change. That's why when the Gates Foundation was revealed to be making investments that kill people, the end result was nothing. The foundation put a press release up on their site claiming they would review their investments' ethical impact, then the next day they took it down and put one up saying that they would be doing no such thing because that would be hard. The simple truth is that neither Gates nor his foundation give one tenth of one fuck about people. They are just making the world a nicer place for Bill Gates, while protecting the money he made by illegal means from taxes. There's nothing liberal about that.

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  24. Re:Oh really? by reboot246 · · Score: 2

    They're surrounded by water and they still ration fish. Wow, what efficiency!

  25. Gates has limited competition in education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Gates Foundation picks winners and losers in education to a great degree. For instance, they have given a lot of support to Khan Academy,which has used this support to close off similar innovations with greater geo-educational reach and measurement possibilities. Gates let Khan suck all the air out of the room; it's been a maddening thing to witness!

  26. Everything is 'Possibly Harmful' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    To a critic who hasn't done even 0.0000001% as much good as the Gates Foundation.

    Teddy Roosevelt had something to say about people who stand around sniping at people who, you know, are doing something and making an effort.

  27. Re:Anyone who believes in Gates' charities is a to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh he'll give money to schools as long as they switch to common core.

    Bullshit; not true.

  28. Re:Oh really? by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    California is on the coast and they're rationing water...

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  29. Re:She's Wrong. by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

    Exactly. "Bill and Melinda Gates answer to no electorate, board, or shareholders; they are accountable mainly to themselves." first she has to establish that this is a problem and why. Possibly she did and the reviewer missed that, but it doesn't seem that way.

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  30. Let's flip this around by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

    What if the KochBros started funding Quiverfull private schools?

    Should we be concerned, make popcorn, or wait until it ever happens?

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  31. Re:The problem is that nothing they give is free.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It goes there anyway. The difference is WHOSE mansions and bank accounts.

    The foundation basically is just a way to funnel more money into their own banks.

  32. Luddite crap by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    I'm not a Micrisoft fan, but "Hooking the poor on malaria drugs"? Yeah, like Jonas Salk hooked us on polio vaccine.

  33. Gates Foundation and Indian Television by bayankaran · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Last week I was at a post production studio in Mumbai. The editor was working on an Indian Hindi TV series - MAIN KUCH BHI KAR SAKTHI HOON (I Can Do Anything.) https://www.youtube.com/user/mkbksh
    The show is set in rural India, follows the usual Hindi or Indian cinema/television melodramatic hyperventilating style. Here is the beef...rather than inane plots on good versus evil, bad mother in laws and familiar Indian TV soap tropes, this show had female protagonists who were bucking the system and bringing out change in the society.
    The familiar style they used made sure a majority of the audience will feel comfortable.
    Gates Foundation was one of the Producers. This is thinking out of the box...you need a bit of 'good old propaganda' to support you when you go to rural communities to change their perception on unhealthy practices.

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  34. Re: Oh really? by chispito · · Score: 4, Informative

    I realize you're being facetious, but I still want to remind people that the Golden State produces a ridiculous percentage of the country's produce that is not corn or wheat. That's where most of the water goes, even during severe droughts. http://www.slate.com/articles/...

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  35. Bill Gates failed elementary statistics by bingoUV · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For all his "geek" status, Bill Gates (with his foundation) failed elementary statistics. He succumbed to the law of small numbers and idiotically pushed for smaller schools for a long period spending a lot of time, money and energy convincing policy makers that the small schools will make students better.

    They thought so only because frequently among the best performing schools were small schools. Idiots didn't notice that among the worst performers were ALSO small schools - small samples just lend themselves to a higher variability.

    Read details here - http://marginalrevolution.com/...

    If a lot of money is spent by non-accountable idiot organizations , it is not only not good for society but actively harmful.

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    1. Re:Bill Gates failed elementary statistics by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      For all his "geek" status, Bill Gates (with his foundation) failed elementary statistics. He succumbed to the law of small numbers and idiotically pushed for smaller schools for a long period spending a lot of time, money and energy convincing policy makers that the small schools will make students better.
      ...
      If a lot of money is spent by non-accountable idiot organizations , it is not only not good for society but actively harmful.

      While this did happen, what's your alternative? We could "do nothing," and simply live with the current system, where things don't get better.

      Or, I suppose we could depend on an "accountable" organization. Like what? Government is the most common answer.

      Yes, government is "accountable" to voters in a way that a private foundation is not. On the other hand, this "accountability" has very specific effects that can also be problematic, such as:

      - Government is often conservative from a policy perspective by nature, since major change risks alienating voters who have voted for you in the past. Government is thus often slower to adopt changes.

      - Government certainly also screws up in ways just like your Gates Foundation example. I think this is pretty well known.

      - "But," you say, "government is accountable." Yes, but what does that actually mean? What it means is that politicians will do their best to get re-elected. As already mentioned, this tends to work against effective change. It also tends to work against correcting bad change.

      Imagine if the federal government in the U.S. had tried what the Gates Foundation did here. Within a few years, there would be a couple states that got special contracts to manufacture special stuff for these "small schools." Then the senators and representatives from those states would now be invested in this scheme (since the program brought "jobs" to their state, and voters care disproportionately about their jobs, whether the policy is effective or not). So, whether it worked or not -- they would fight to block legislation to dismantle it. Depending on how powerful they are and what committees they are on, it could take decades before a program like this would be dismantled.

      That's what your "accountability" by voters gets you.

      Now, the next possible answer I expect is for you to say, "Well, that's the problem with BIG government. You do things at the federal level, and you get massive bureaucracy. If you instead emphasized LOCAL government, people would have to be in touch with specific effects on the community."

      And that's true to an extent. But the problem with insular small governments is that they often don't have the resources to implement big changes (even if they are needed)... and frankly many of them tend to end up corrupt and dysfunctional as well. Many people have this idealistic vision of local government as the place where "real" governing happens, and only if we gave back most power to small governments, everything would be fixed.

      The problem is that this argument is based on the same statistical flaw you brought up in your post. It's true that many small governments tend to be more responsive and less dysfunctional than the federal government, but that's mostly selection bias. It's very easy for a small local government to be taken over by wackos too, and this happens in a lot of places.

      I'm NOT saying I have better answers or that we shouldn't be concerned about lack of accountability in the Gates Foundation. On the other hand, I think charitable organizations do add something to the mix of new ideas, and sometimes what they do can take the lead for governments. I'm NOT convinced by your argument that they necessarily do more harm to society than good.

    2. Re:Bill Gates failed elementary statistics by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      You ask what's my alternative and then address 2 straw men? Bill gates has no business being in education. Being able to influence policy makers just because one has money is idiotic.

      1. Others could have made the same mistake but Bill Gates did.

      2. He was being listened to because he has money, not because he has any clue about education.

      3. If any other person were listened to, it would have been because he had brains or political power. They would have stake in education system if nothing else. If brains, no problem. If political power, the people who granted him political power deserve whatever he gives them.

      But people do not deserve what Mr money bags gives them.

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    3. Re:Bill Gates failed elementary statistics by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I don't see why you wouldn't want unified decision making on, e.g. the optimal size of a classroom. There's some right answer. More reach leads to more statistical power to a answer questions in a more correct/realistic way. More reach means the right answer can be distributed to all the interested parties once its complete.

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    4. Re:Bill Gates failed elementary statistics by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      For all his "geek" status, Bill Gates (with his foundation) failed elementary statistics. He succumbed to the law of small numbers and idiotically pushed for smaller schools for a long period spending a lot of time, money and energy convincing policy makers that the small schools will make students better.

      They thought so only because frequently among the best performing schools were small schools. Idiots didn't notice that among the worst performers were ALSO small schools - small samples just lend themselves to a higher variability.

      And you are assuming that all "small schools" are the same, and that you can't identify what makes a good small school different from a poor small school.

      It seems self evident to me that if you take one small school, give it lots of money to build facilities and purchase equipment, hire the best teachers, engage the parents strongly and so on, it will be totally different from the same sized school that is poorly funded, run by incompetents and taught by morons.

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    5. Re:Bill Gates failed elementary statistics by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Why do you think I assume that all small schools are the same?

      The sentence "small samples just lend themselves to a higher variability" from my post means the opposite. It means small schools are more different from each other than large schools are different from each other.

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  36. Re:She's Wrong. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    Also, Linsey McGoey is fully in her rights to critique how they spend it.

    Sure, but keep in mind that she has a much bigger incentive to be negative, than to be positive. Far more people will buy her book if she says philanthropy is harmful, since then the readers can feel smug and superior about doing nothing.

  37. Re:She's Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These "foundations" are just diverse investment portfolios. These "philanthropists" make a fortune out of their charity. How? They own the companies the charity uses, particularly those with meds in the third world, and those being aided are only allowed to have products from these companies. It's a complete joke, but can you bet your last euro-dollar-pound, no reporter will go anywhere what's really going on.

  38. Accountability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One could argue that the Gates Foundation and governmental bodies are accountable to the same people. Who else can fund the campaigns of our politicians who provide that oversight the author mentions...?

  39. Re:The problem is that nothing they give is free.. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    Medical: When working in 3rd world countries, those strings are absolutely necessary or the money just goes into mansions and swiss bank accounts.

    It's actually much worse. If you don't play the Big Pharma Strong IP game, you can't get help from the Gates Foundation. And if you do, and then you have an outbreak of something expensive to cure in your country, you have two choices. You can make the medication yourself, and eventually end up with the world bank owning your country. Or you can pay whatever the market demands for the medication, and you can end up with the world bank owning your country.

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  40. Re: The problem is that nothing they give is free. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    supporting links please?

  41. Common Core by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1
    One of the Gates' contributions is to Common Core. At first glance, CC just seems to be setting national minimums, which might be a good thing. If you look a little deeper, you'll see a flurry of subjects to be covered, almost all of which seem good. It's only when then analysis gets down to practice that real problems appear:
    • __Shallow coverage of major historical figures, heavy attention on politically correct lightweights.
    • __Emphasis on skills for drones rather than underlying concepts.
    • __Crippling mathematical techniques that are neither practical nor teach mathematical principles

    I don't know if the Gates are responsible for the direction CC has taken in addition to it being yet another program that's been hijacked by the educational establishment. In any case, they should not be funding it.

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    1. Re:Common Core by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      The point about Common Core is to lay down a minimum standard. If you can't read and write properly, it won't make any difference what figures in history you learn about.

      If you don't know how to multiply two two digit numbers together, you're not going to be aware of the philosophy of maths involved.

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  42. Holy crap people!!! by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1

    I read the whole article. From what I read, I can summarize this as :

    Two people with insane amounts of money and accountable to no one decide to spend their money trying to solve problems by taking a new approach. Their approach spans from :
      - Trial and error with greater agility than a government or classic foundation can achieve
      - Brute force of attacking illnesses on a gigantic scale hoping to eradicate them and maybe then focus on helping people live healthier following being able to simply live to begin with.
    They are also accused of being know-it-alls and people can't tell if they're altruistic or if they're evil and trying to take over the world by trying to solve problems governments seem to fail to solve on their own.

    I'm sure I missed a few, but whether I'm a fan of the Gateses or note is irrelevent.If they are a bunch of greedy power hungry assholes, it doesn't matter to me. A long as they are in fact trying to solve problems. We need more people who are like them.

    BTW... the cure for poverty in my opinion is better education. I believe the small schools effort (probably a bad idea) had a pretty good intent which is that the transition itself would make things like new books and cleaner classrooms available to students. It would disrupt the system and the reversion to the traditional system would require the government to invest to support the transition back. It's not a great answer to any problems, but it did give schools run by generally lethargic administration a kick in the ass for a while. The failure of this experiment probably ended up being part of the solution to the problem itself.

    As for Common Core... that's purely political as to what you go with. Common Core was at least an attempt to standardized a system and make better teaching materials available. I'm not in favor of it and I've had to teach my children math properly to compensate for the massive short-comings in the common core way of handling problems. But I didn't simply discount it, I evaluated it, learned it and felt it was a considerable hindrance from my son and daughter learning more advanced mathematics.

    1. Re:Holy crap people!!! by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I haven't really looked at the common core math section. What's so horrible about it?

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    2. Re:Holy crap people!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't really looked at the common core math section. What's so horrible about it?

      There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Common Core math standards. The only complaint I consider valid is that they are low standards
      But there is nothing in the Common Core that places a ceiling on what you teach. If you get through all the standards in the first month of 9th grade, you can keep going and teach them abstract algebra and ring theory in the time you have left.

      Here they are.
      http://www.corestandards.org/M...

      The activity descriptions may seem to be obscure. Keep in mind that the activity descriptions are based on the need to describe to the teacher the activity in pedagological talk. The activity descriptions are NOT statements to be read or delivered to the students.
      For example, some people might have a problem with this kindergarten statement:
      "Understand the relationship between numbers and quantities; connect counting to cardinality."

      That is not a statement that kindergarten students should be able to define the word "cardinality".
      It just means "teach the kids how to count and that we have numbers to tell us how many we counted, and that those numbers come in an order."

  43. Ill effects from building waterwells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last century, the Netherlands helped some African countries by building wells. This resulted in people not having to walk miles for water, but water consumption also got higher. The groundwater levels dropped, and the next season the wells were dry, but also the old wells dried up. The even-more-extreme drought was very bad. They solved it by making the wells deeper.

  44. Re:She's Wrong. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    It's their money.

    Yup, and they totally earned it fairly and squarely.

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  45. then, there's this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20151125-why-are-we-so-suspicious-of-being-kind comes a good reason for Gates to give:

    Michael Norton at Harvard Business School has offered some of the most convincing evidence, repeatedly finding that people who spend a bigger proportion of their income on others tend to be far happier, in the long run, than those spending it on themselves.

    Crucially, this is not just the result of the comfortable Western lifestyle: Norton has tested the concept with data from more than 130 countries, from the US to Uganda. “Across all countries – rich or poor, and in every continent – people who gave more tended to be happier people,” he says. For this reason, he thinks the joy of giving appears to be a “psychological universal” – a trait that lies at the core of human nature, independent of your culture.

  46. Re:She's Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's their money.

    Yup, and they totally earned it fairly and squarely.

    No they didn't. Read the findings of fact by judge Jackson. Just because Microsoft was able to buy and lobby it's way out of punishment doesn't mean that what they were doing was okay.

    In the end there are a number of other companies, such as possibly Netscape, which would have either survived or been replaced by other more effective companies if Microsoft hadn't indulged in illegal anti-competitive activities. The money belongs to consumers and Microsoft customer companies that were fleeced and investors who had or would have developed better products than Gates but never made it because they didn't have control over Windows.

  47. Re:She's Wrong. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    You're an idiot, and probably a cormanust too.

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  48. charity is just the privatization of human rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ppl who have amassed such grotesque excesses of wealth cannot be "philantropists" - they had to take what they consider "theirs" away from other people in the first place. now they want to buy a better public image and a better personal conscience for themselves.
    "charity" is just the privatization of basic human rights immanent in every single person born on our planet. (some people get filthy rich by playing a dysfunctional system and denying them to the majority of humans.)

  49. Re: Oh really? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Well, if we didn't have California, you and I both know what would be done, because we already 'done' it more than 180 years ago. A shortage is nothing more than an argument over the price. We don't do desalination because they say it's too expensive, I don't believe it is, but I have no way to force the issue. I remember the drought of '77. Now, almost 40 years later, the only thing being shown to the world is a perfect example of bad, corrupt management. Still, everybody bickers over price, and nothing gets produced, while lawyers get rich. And it is so weird that they have the very same governor now as they did back then. I can't fathom what the voters are thinking. They are using something other than their brain.

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