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Facebook Expands Parental Leave Policy For All Employees Globally (mashable.com)
Reuters reports that Mark Zuckerberg's not the only Facebook employee who will enjoy a nice chunk of time off to spend with a new baby; the company is expanding its parental leave policy (and posting on Facebook about it). The benefit includes up to four months of paid leave, to all full-time employees, including those outside the U.S., regardless of sex, within a new child's first year. That means that new parents of either sex will be allowed to take a longer absence; previously, non-U.S. employees who were not primary caregivers were granted four weeks of leave. From the Reuters story: [Facebook HR head Lori Matloff] Goler said the new policy will primarily help new fathers and employees in same-sex relationships outside the United States, noting that it will not change maternity leave already available to employees worldwide. ... Technology companies in Silicon Valley have been rushing to extend parental leave allowances and other benefits to help recruit and retain employees. Many high-tech workers, however, do not take advantage of such benefits for fear of falling behind at work or missing out on promotions.
Sounds like Zuck made a mistake talking about his own leave, and caused some complaints in the company.
Why would non-Facebook employees be interested in this at all?
Quite the other way around, most of Europe has extensive parental leave provisions by law. In a nutshell, for most of Europe, Zuck can take his 4 months and stick 'em.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
This is less than the legal minimum in some countries. So some foreign Facebook employers already get more.
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Allowing employees to take a big block off to get started on what may be the biggest achievement of their life is great, but what about for people whose aspiration is something other than being a parent? Even a guaranteed job after an unpaid sabbatical is a rare benefit. A generic "life goal" leave is, I would think, even cheaper to offer since the leave can be planned in advance to avoid crunch times (not that parents can't plan, but it's a rare one that seems to).
"Because Science" is one step from "Because old book". Try "Because of my experiment testing my falsifiable assertion".
Reminds me of my time in the military. I'd been in 5 years and my housing was a barracks ( dormitory ) with shared bathroom. Someone just coming in with a spouse, kids or not, got a 2 or 3 bedroom house. My meals allowance was the ability to eat in a dining hall. Not on the base at mealtime? Sucks to be you, buy your own meal. Those with families got cash instead to eat what they wanted , when they wanted.
Like family leave with no comparable benefit for those who don't produce children, it's being compensated based on what you "need" vs what you "earn". Maybe I'm biased not having kids, but I'd prefer it was based on what you earn. If it's going to be need-based, then at least broaden the acceptable needs. Sabbaticals, or an equivalent time off in smaller increments for volunteer work or other personal enrichment would seem a reasonable need.
You're not working, so why should your employer pay you?
Now you're making it as if in Europe governments force companies to pay you while you are on a paternity leave. You get paid by health or social insurance.
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Your company ought to have a senior, experience employee that can move over and be productive on your team for four months. There are people who love to jump around and "save the day" on each project, and are actually good at it. At the end of the period, he or she can move on to the next group who just lost someone else.
If your company doesn't do that, then yes, you should start looking for a job. But you should do so because you work for a horrible company, not because your company offers this specific benefit. (Your company probably does already offer sick leave and even short-term disability benefits, right? So this exact same scenario could happen because of other benefits. If that's a problem to you, find a new job now.)
It doesn't hurt to be nice.
Unpaid leave is no leave.
The insane part is that you think working that late is okay. I'd say you need a union to better negotiate your time, but you're probably a libertarian anti-union nutjob who will simultaneously defend your free-market right to work as damn much as you please while bemoaning the people who say "enough is enough, work-life balance matters more to me than finishing this tonight" and leave at a reasonable time. Hell, if half your company does it, then obviously management is okay with people leaving that early, so you are only staying because you want to and are just trolling for no reason.
(If you start leaving early, and you are called on it, point out the other people that leave early. Just make sure to get it on a recording if they say it's because "they have children" and you'll be set for life if they fire you, since those anti-discrimination laws protect your non-child status as much as it protects their child status.)
It doesn't hurt to be nice.
which causes those insurances to go up in cost for everyone, even those not having kids.
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which causes those insurances to go up in cost for everyone, even those not having kids.
Exactly, but there is consensus in most of the societies that kids are a good thing.
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Welcome to the 21st-fucking-century.
UK Statutory Maternity / Paternity Pay:
https://www.gov.uk/paternity-p...
Gives up to 52 weeks paid leave for one/either/both parents (shared among them), including in case of stillborn, including for adoption, legally allowing you to build up holiday, get rises and return to work while it goes on.
Sure, it won't necessarily be at full-pay-rates but this is the fucking bare, legal, statutory MINIMUM that you're required to give by even being an employer in the UK
So let's not shout about how great Facebook are for letting you spend more than a fucking month with your newborn child.
The US really need to get out more and look at what other countries consider normal and/or moral.
That's what's known as being pro-life, unlike some Americans, who think "pro-life" means terrorist attacks on Planned Parenthood clinics and shooting cops.
You are welcome on my lawn.
i hope you are not referring to the incident the other day as it seems like it was coincidence that he ended up there (story is looking more like he hit a bank and ended up at PP, being that no one from PP was actually hurt....)
my costs should not rise based on the decisions of others. Risk share all you want between others having kids, im not, so keep me out of it
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which causes those insurances to go up in cost for everyone, even those not having kids.
In some countries - like Switzerland - the same social insurance is paying other reasons to leave work:
- military duty (it's one of the last country to have compulsory military service - young men are forced by law to leave work ~1 month each year during ~10 years. insurance covers the salary during this time)
- alternatives to military duty
- some other public service (e.g.: some trainings from the national sport organisation)
In that perspective, raising kids is seen by the current law as one of the different form of duties that a citizen can accomplish for the greater good of the nation and which deserves that the salary lost during that time gets partially re-imbursed.
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Things to keep in mind:
- Switzerland, like most developed countries and specially like most European countries, has a fertility rate lower than the critical 2.1 (currently it's around 1.5 child per couple). It currently manage not to have its population collapse thanks to immigration. So helping parent raise children is actually *VERY MUCH NEEDED* in order to encourage the fertility rate and avoid the population drop. That's why nearly all of European countries (like my Swiss example, but also lots of other, e.g.: Germany) have paid parental leave.
- Switzerland is a direct democracy. Law get voted by the general population (and not by some lobby in some "pseudo-representative" congregation like the US). Thus the fact that this law was voted in means that *the greatest part of the population actually thinks it's a good idea*. When other posters say "there is consensus in most of the societies that kids are a good thing", in the particular case of Switzerland this consensus among the population has been clearly demonstrated during voting.
Your idea that it's a bad thing that social insurance help pay for kids IS NOT shared among the biggest part of a whole country which effectively voted democratically such law into power.
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Many high-tech workers, however, do not take advantage of such benefits for fear of falling behind at work or missing out on promotions.
The final item in the summary and from TFA caught my attention. Reuters was absent of details on a study proving this statement. The best thing I could find was a a Harvard Business Review article here:
https://hbr.org/2015/11/3-ways-tech-companies-are-offering-parental-leave
Linking to a study here:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com...
With highly questionable methods - age, gender, socio-economic background, etc. etc. bias anybody?
Volunteers (N = 371, 131 men) participated in exchange for partial fulfillment of their Introductory Psychology research requirement. Of these, 50% were White, 30% were Asian, 4% were Black, 6% were Hispanic, and 10% reported another ethnic identity. The design of the experiment was a 2 (target race: Black, White) × 4 (family leave condition: childcare, parental care, two controls) × 2 (participant gender) between-participants factorial. We used two control targets; one who asked a HR officer for more hours (rather than time off), and one who merely inquired about his employee benefits. We included the latter control condition because it was possible that asking for more hours would be viewed as particularly masculine (e.g., ambitious). However, preliminary analyses showed no significant differences between the two control groups; they were therefore collapsed.
If anybody can find other research surrounding this topic - I'd love to see it. The "best" article I could find was one from Wired:
http://www.wired.com/2015/08/t...
Effectively commenting its about the culture surrounding parental leave at a company - not the actual company policy itself. Netflix policy - unlimited vacation - but highly frowned upon if you take it. Where I'm at - if you have a child - we COVER YOU and there is NO penalty to your career for taking leave. The only email you send out better have pictures of your newborn - that's it. Anything else we'll frown at you for trying to work while you are on parental leave. Same goes for vacation.
Disclaimer: I work in a Tech Hub outside Silicon Valley. If this truly is representative of the culture of Silicon Valley, I really feel sorry for the folks working out there.
So when the police said that the shooter mentioned "baby parts" it was because he was at the local bank trying to withdraw baby parts?
And the propane tanks he carried into the Planned Parenthood were going to be used for his camp stove?
Jesus, man. Will you really twist yourself into a pretzel rationalizing terrorism just because you share the same ideology as the perpetrator?
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insulting people for having different opinions than you?
how very friendly of you....
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The question is, why does he choose to debate the motive of a terrorist? Is he as charitable when it comes to terrorism committed by radical muslims?
You know the answer already.
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i share nothing with this person in the slightest lol. im not rationalizing anything this man should fry for what he did regardless of where or why he did it
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In Germany parents have to take 14 months in the first three years, and one parents can take 12 months maximum, so both have to stay home for at least two months: payed by the state, of course.
Precisely!!! How many can afford to take 4 months or so of time off? Usually, the best they can do is just take as much paid leave as accumulated to that point, and use it.
They already get vacation time off while single people aren't allowed to take time off.
Solution - the single people should pretend to be in 'gay marriages' w/ other single people for employment purposes, while living normal single lives. That way, they can claim time off for anything, such as pretend adoptions.
I was simply posting what I had read about the case so far
PP states that no one hurt was an employee or patient.
media reports say that an issue took place next door or across the street before he barricaded himself inside.
Not sure why you are bringing in things that have nothing to do with the case at hand. I only like to discuss single issues at a time, not get all muddied by trying to link 40 different events that have no relation to each other. When an incident happens it should be discussed as such
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Quite ironic, given that Facebook's wonderful generosity doesn't even meet the legal minimum in many European countries.
Since all social programs like social security are pay as you go, who do you think is going to be working and funding Social Security and Medicare when you stop working?
you think there will be social security when we retire? (im under 30) doubt it
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you think there will be social security when we retire? (im under 30) doubt it
Social Security trust fund is solvent till ~2035 given current input percentages and projected workforce makeup .
What's likely is that GOP and corporate-licking Dems will both agree to fuck you over in the meanwhile and do something shitty like raise retirement age, or twist verbiage to deny COLA despite constant hikes in non-core inflation rate (why would energy - read gas - and healthcare costs not be "core inflation"?).
So you may be right, you may not have a meaningful Social Security when you retire. But I bet it'll be there.
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and of course, part-time and/or contract staff, such as janitors, kitchen helpers, etc, can suck the Zuck as well.
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my costs should not rise based on the decisions of others
Tough, and PS, welcome to sharing a planet with other humans. If you ever interact with another human ever, even indirectly[*] then your costs are going to be affected by decisions other people make. That is completely unavoidable.
[*] I mean REALLY indirectly. If someone comes and cuts down the trees near your cave for firewood, your costs have gone up as you're going to have to travel further to make wood. I say cave because it would be quite hard to live in other kinds of shelter without making use of anything humans have ever produced. I mean if you rely on metal tools to cut down trees for wood, your costs could be increased by a decision someone makes to increase the price of steel.
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Having any insurance at all is paying for the decisions of others. Or being paid by others for your decisions.
Parental leave at Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Table of European countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I am from Estonia. We have 20 + 62 weeks (1.5 years) of paternal leave, fully paid by the state to the equivalent of your income before the birth of the child. There are some discussions about the fairness of this systems - why should parents with higher income be paid more for getting a child? However, nobody questions the system itself - long parental leaves are good for the society, period.
Yes, your right. Who told you.
actually, your a dumbass.
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these people that don't want to work.
In Canada, we get a whole year off after a child is born. The majority of this time can be split between the mother and father. For my first child, I didn't take any time. But for my second, I took 5 months.
I can assure you that this 5 month period was more difficult than "working". Anyone who thinks that people who are staying at home to parent babies and/or toddlers is not "working" hasn't truly experienced it. Perhaps they don't have kids, perhaps their spouse/partner does all/most of the work, or perhaps they're just not putting in the effort required to be a good parent, but either way they haven't truly experienced it.
After the first week, I was looking forward to going back to work for a "vacation" from the crazy amount of work I had at home.
Quite the other way around, most of Europe has extensive parental leave provisions by law. In a nutshell, for most of Europe, Zuck can take his 4 months and stick 'em.
Ditto for Canada's Quebec province.
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So I point out that you are an anti social asshole, and you feel insulted?
Did I hit a nerve?
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There is no government-mandated parental leave on a federal level in the US. However, many companies offer at least some amount of maternity leave to salaried employees. Many hourly employees don't have it, and the amount of leave available can vary greatly by company.
Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
Apparently, employer liability sometimes exists for paternity leave in Europe. Maternity leave appears to be entirely through social insurance, while paternity leave (in addition to being much shorter) also has a higher percentage of funding directly from the employer. Some of that might be covered by outside health insurance, I'm not sure.
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