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Wired Thinks It Knows Who Satoshi Nakamoto Is (wired.com)

An anonymous reader writes: In a lengthy exposé, Wired lays out its case that Bitcoin inventor Satoshi Nakamoto is actually Australian businessman Craig Wright. As evidence, Wired cites leaked communications and posts on Wright's blog from 2008 and 2009 establishing a connection between him and the launch of Bitcoin. Wright is also known to have amassed a significant Bitcoin fortune early on. Wired tried to contact Wright and got some perplexing responses, and they admit that it could all be a (long and extremely elaborate) hoax. But hours after publishing, Gizmodo followed up with the results of their own investigation, which came to the conclusion that Satoshi is a pseudonym for two men: Wright and Dave Kleiman, a computer forensics expert who died in 2013. After questioning (read: harassment) from both publications, Wright seems to have withdrawn from public comment. Regardless, both articles are quite detailed, and it will be interesting to see if the leaked documents turn out to be accurate.

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  1. who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    really... what does it matter who "invented" bitcoin?

    1. Re:who gives a shit? by dreamchaser · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I came here to say this same thing, only I would have phrased it as 'Who cares?' or 'Who gives a fuck?'.

    2. Re:who gives a shit? by Lisandro · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I do. BTC is gaining a lot of traction as the defacto digital currency standard, and we have no idea who's behind it.

      Bitcoin is a solid design and has survived a lot of scrutiny so far, but imagine what would happen if we found out that the design was introduced by, say, the NSA.

    3. Re:who gives a shit? by kamapuaa · · Score: 2

      Sure, because the person who invented Bitcoin is sitting on a huge pile of bitcoins, and has the ability to completely devalue the currency, perhaps taking the opportunity to enrich himself along the way.

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    4. Re:who gives a shit? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The current versions may vanish.

      However it is inevitable that in near future we will have a globaly accepted and supported digital currency.

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    5. Re:who gives a shit? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't say that at all. Whether or not the currency retains a value, the whole blockchain concept (which is essentially what bitcoin is) is gaining huge momentum in the financial industry.

    6. Re:who gives a shit? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      You evidently don't understand that the U.S. Dollar is a "virtual currency." You don't seem to understand that "Rock 'N Roll" is (was) a "fad" and will vanish in due time. Maybe it will eventually, but before it does it will have made it's mark on the world to the tune of half a decade or more. Despite your attempt at hand-waving, Bitcoin is already significant. Wishful thinking won't change that.

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    7. Re:who gives a shit? by ledow · · Score: 2

      Yeah.

      Like credit cards?

      What fool is going to put their money into a bank and be issued with a number they can use to add or remove funds from this "fake" virtual account as if it was real cash?

      Thank God Visa and Mastercard never took off and we still have to pay Amazon in coins and notes before their same-day-delivery.

    8. Re:who gives a shit? by TheSunborn · · Score: 2

      Would $ or euro not count as a globaly accepted and digital currency? Most of the economy is 100% digital, and I think you can pay with $ digitally in 99% of all countries.

    9. Re:who gives a shit? by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      The fool that knows that if someone steals their magic numbers and takes all their money, the bank will give their money back.

    10. Re:who gives a shit? by jdavidb · · Score: 2

      You don't seem to understand that "Rock 'N Roll" is (was) a "fad" and will vanish in due time. Maybe it will eventually, but before it does it will have made it's mark on the world to the tune of half a decade or more

      Maybe even longer than that. ;)

    11. Re:who gives a shit? by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Interesting

      really... what does it matter who "invented" bitcoin?

      Bitcoin is a bit like a pyramid scheme, in that blocks become progressively more computationally expensive to calculate over time. Thus the first blocks were very low-hanging fruit that were quick and easy to calculate. Of course those easy blocks were calculated by the creator of Bitcoin, and it is estimated Satoshi has at least 1 million bitcoins (the current value of which is over $400 million dollars). So I think many people are curious as to who holds this wealth, which is an unduly massive reward for having created a crpytocurrency. It also raises the question of whether bitcoin was created merely to enrich the creator, or if it really was for some larger purpose. The only person who knows the answer to that is Satoshi.

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    12. Re:who gives a shit? by jonnythan · · Score: 2

      I think when all is said and done, rock n roll will have been significant for more than 5 years.

    13. Re:who gives a shit? by Flytrap · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It matters because 100 years from now, people will want to know in much the same way we want to know the people who gave birth to much of our present day civilisation... the Newtons, Marconis, Teslas, Edissons, Berners-Lees, Da Vincis, Graham Bells, Franklins, Einsteins, Pasteur, Curies, Wright Brothers and lots more.

      Bitcoin may not still be around in 100 years, but the distributed ledger and crypto currency genies are never going back into their bottles and they will transform the world as we know it in more ways than the internet and world wide web has. The concept of centralised control over the generation, storage and transmission of tokens of value is unravelling faster than the centralised control and distribution of information and knowledge has.

      It matters because 100 years from now people will want to know more than a pseudo name... they will want to know to who Nakamoto really was, where he lived, what inspired him, what he ate for breakfast, and all the other stuff that make our modern day legends more than myths.

      It matters because if we do not solve this mystery in our lifetime, the genius of Nakamoto will remain a myth forever.

    14. Re:who gives a shit? by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

      You got lucky. You got in on the ground floor of something which took off (and up, in value). Those coming in later don't and won't see your gains, so it's perfectly reasonable for the vast majority of people to be "meh" at best with respect to bitcoins.

    15. Re:who gives a shit? by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

      However it is inevitable that in near future we will have a globaly accepted and supported digital currency.

      "Inevitable" and "near future" are not likely to be compatible.

      Keep in mind that such currencies are acceptable only at the whim of the government, if you honestly think that Bitcoin will challenge US Dollars without laws getting passed to affect it, I've got a bridge to sell you.

    16. Re:who gives a shit? by dargaud · · Score: 2

      It matters because if we do not solve this mystery in our lifetime, the genius of Nakamoto will remain a myth forever.

      Good.

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    17. Re:who gives a shit? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      So I think many people are curious as to who holds this wealth, which is an unduly massive reward for having created a crpytocurrency.

      Define unduly. Is bitcoin a better thing for the world than Facebook, uber, instagram or a whole host of others?

      It also raises the question of whether bitcoin was created merely to enrich the creator

      Who cares what his motivation was? The entire purpose of just about every for-profit company is to enrich its creator. That doesn't make their products less useful or worthwhile.

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  2. Bitcoin is not controlled by its creator by perpenso · · Score: 5, Informative

    I do. BTC is gaining a lot of traction as the defacto digital currency standard, and we have no idea who's behind it. Bitcoin is a solid design and has survived a lot of scrutiny so far, but imagine what would happen if we found out that the design was introduced by, say, the NSA.

    That would be irrelevant. Who created the Bitcoin system, be it a Satoshi or an NSA, is at best a historical piece of information. Bitcoin is an open design and its code open source, free to be analyzed by anyone who has an interest. It is not controlled by its creator.

    1. Re:Bitcoin is not controlled by its creator by Dynedain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, the creator owns a huge chunk of coins that are worth some serious money today and will only increase substantially if the network continues to have growth.

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    2. Re:Bitcoin is not controlled by its creator by perpenso · · Score: 2

      Well, the creator owns a huge chunk of coins that are worth some serious money today and will only increase substantially if the network continues to have growth.

      OK, I suppose there is gossip value in additional to historical value. :-)

    3. Re:Bitcoin is not controlled by its creator by perpenso · · Score: 2

      Right. Tell me you can't see people distrusting a digital currency if we found out it was surreptitiously designed by the NSA.

      Open design, open standards, open source and a peer to peer community implementing the application of the technology restores trust.

      See what happened to the last TrueCrypt release after someone thought it found a hidden message referring to the NSA, even when no evidence of foul play or backdoors where found whatsoever.

      Users did nothing. The TrueCrypt developers released an update that was read-only, stated they were done, and suggested folks look elsewhere. However given that TrueCrypt was open source users and other interested parties audited the source code, found no back door or serious bug or flaw and have created new products based on the TrueCrypt source code. These new products merely go by different names since the original developers own the rights to "TrueCrypt".

    4. Re:Bitcoin is not controlled by its creator by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That and the market power if he decided to dump them all at once.

    5. Re:Bitcoin is not controlled by its creator by Lisandro · · Score: 2

      Maybe they would if they had a track record of pulling shit like this.

      The only thing i'd distrust the US Navy with is handling a budget.

    6. Re:Bitcoin is not controlled by its creator by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      We know that the NSA has released flawed crypto systems before, and it took people a long time to notice because those guys are pretty sly and have a lot of talent working to screw us over. We know that supposedly shallow bugs in popular open source software have gone unnoticed for years.

      Frustrating as it is, we have to be suspicious of anything that the NSA has had a hand in, even if it looks okay.

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    7. Re:Bitcoin is not controlled by its creator by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      Even if he crashes the price many bitcoin users won't care, how the price changed since yesterday won't matter. They just use bitcoins for transfers or payments, they aren't holding bitcoins. They immediately convert to bitcoin as needed and from bitcoin immediately. Especially so for merchants, well that is their 3rd party payment processors do, the merchants never see or touch a bitcoin themselves. The 3rd party converts the merchant's fiat price to bitcoin in real-time, collects the coins and pays the merchant in fiat currency immediately.

      They will care if during these transactions there's some sort of "flash crash" where companies start losing money. Maybe it won't be the end users or maybe not the merchants -- but somebody is holding the coins during the transaction and making the whole thing work. If the value takes a severe enough nosedive and becomes too volatile, it makes it risky for the intermediaries to keep handling the exchanges.

      Also, they will care if bitcoins become so worthless that they are no longer feasible for these sorts of transactions. Everyone seems to assume that this could never happen because they assume currencies only devalue like that in hyperinflation due to "printing money," and they assume bitcoin must therefore be immune due to its limited pool.

      Except there are loads of things in the world that are somewhat rare but no one finds value in. There are a limited number of rocks in my backyard -- much smaller than the number of bitcoins. But I'd have a hard time convincing anyone to use "rocks from my backyard" as a medium of exchange with enough consistent value to justify it.

      Only the speculators will get hurt, well, that is if they sell in the panic.

      Ah, you're a true believer -- just stay in for the "long haul," and the price is guaranteed to go up.

      See, that depends on one significant assumption -- i.e., that nothing better will have come along before this happens. It's the same as any speculation, any stock, any company. Sometimes it takes months, sometimes years, sometimes decades, and sometimes even longer than a century -- but almost all "innovative" companies or ideas will eventually be outdone by something newer and better.

      That's particularly true in the case of bitcoin, which is sort of frozen in its current state. Even if people want currency with the features you mention, you have no guarantee that people won't start migrating to something better in the future... whether that's next year or in 10 years or longer, you can't know. And at that point, everyone who invested in bitcoin itself and the infrastructure which supports it could lose big. Will it happen? I don't know, but the first version of some innovation on the scene is rarely the best final product that ends up being adopted widely.

  3. Re:We're still discussing this? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

    I would like it much better if we put this whole failed experiment of "Anonymous Coward" to rest. It's pretty clear that people aren't using it to post "juicy" stuff they couldn't post otherwise. It's just a forum for people who are too lazy or stupid to create an account to spew bullshit that nobody would ever say if they knew people could identify the source of said idiocy.

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  4. Never Going To Happen. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We already do, it's called a debit card. But the fact is, there will always be a significant contingent of people who want to live off the grid, those that want something to hold and pass around more than plastic, and homeless. "Paper" money will never go away. As irrational as it is considering how governments manipulate their paper money, many people feel safer with it than some nebulous concept of concurrency that perhaps you and I understand, but guess what? We will always be in the minority.

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    1. Re:Never Going To Happen. by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, no we don't.

      A debit card is NOT currency. Nor is it universally accepted. And it is tied to a single currency.

      I've lived and worked in multiple countries, have bank accounts in multiple countries, and have savings and investments in multiple currencies.

      When travelling currency conversion fees are annoying. Even when using a debit card or credit card.

      It's all a huge pain in the ass. A real pain in the ass. I can't wait for a single universal internet currency you can use everywhere and we can rid of bank fees, foreign exchange transaction fees, and other bullcrap. It's getting better but very far from ideal.

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    2. Re:Never Going To Happen. by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 2

      But if you've never been anywhere in your life, and your little bubble around you in which you exist is all you know, then sure, the status quo is great.

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    3. Re:Never Going To Happen. by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 2

      It's all a huge pain in the ass. A real pain in the ass. I can't wait for a single universal internet currency you can use everywhere and we can rid of bank fees, foreign exchange transaction fees, and other bullcrap. It's getting better but very far from ideal.

      The problem with your dream is that it can't exist. Any sufficiently unregulated thing will be stolen from you by someone more badass than yourself, and anything regulated with come with inconvenience and cost.
      Both come with overheads, but what we have now is about as good as anyone should expect.

    4. Re:Never Going To Happen. by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Bury all your assets in a single currency and what happens when any one you want to buy anything from, says, nuh uh, you ain't stickin me with that funny money just because you want to cheat on taxes. So likely problem coming up for bitcoin, how many bitcoins do the originators have and how will that affect things, you know, ponzi scheme side of things. So how many crypto currencies are out there now, with their own creators trying to achieve the same ponzi scheme, make millions of them real easy and then release it for the mugs to grind away at nothing and become you ponzi scheme sales force. Tracking the flow of bitcoins across the internet is being used to mark people for criminal investigation. I would seriously suggest you only ever transfer them by hand and never ever across digital communications line, at minimum you are guaranteeing an tax evasion investigation.

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    5. Re: Never Going To Happen. by GLMDesigns · · Score: 2

      It might. Glad to hear of someone else concerned about an ever-growing government. I'm assuming you're voting for candidates who wants to (or at least says he wants to ) limit the scope and power of the government.

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  5. Re:Not really much opportunity to cash out by Lisandro · · Score: 2

    Not meaning to be a dick, but on modern economics all prices are based on speculation. Nothing has intrinsic value.

  6. What bitcoin risk? by perpenso · · Score: 3, Informative

    Then don't use Bitcoins if you don't accept the risk. It's super easy.

    What risk? There is little risk in using bitcoins. Convert USD/EUR/etc to BTC, transfer BTC, convert BTC to USD/EUR/etc. *Use* does not have to involve risk.

    Holding bitcoins does involve risk, just like holding any other speculatively priced asset. However many users of bitcoins do not hold them. For example merchants accepting bitcoins for payment. They contract with 3rd party payment processors to do real-time "currency conversion" for BTC pricing (so products and services only need to be priced by merchants in USD/EUR/etc), payment processing and delivering the originally specified USD/EUR/etc to merchants. Merchants never see or touch a bitcoin despite the buyer making payment using bitcoin.

  7. the opposite of fiat (declaration) it's speculatio by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's actually pretty much the exact opposite of fiat. Fiat means the authority declared it to be so. The government says their dollar is valid to satisfy any and all debts, and that dollars MUST be used to pay taxes, which a majority of people have to pay. In other words, you need dollars because the government ordered that you do, and they will put you in prison unless you get some dollars to pay them with. That's what a fiat is - an order, a declaration by the ruling authority.

    Bitcoin is pretty much the opposite- noone requires that you use it. It's price is purely based on the hope that tomorrow someone else might buy it from you, who in turn wants it for the same reason- they hope that later someone else might be willing to pay them for it, that the ponzi will continue and someone else will treat it as valuable.

    As you mentioned, neither is backed by gold. The dollar is backed by two things. As I mentioned, it's backed by guaranteed demand due to taxes - people WILL want your dollars, because they have to have dollars in order to pay their taxes. Secondly, it is backed by the US government bomd rating (credit score) which the government must maintain because they survive on debt. If the govt devalued the currency beyond expected inflation rate, that would be constructive default on their debt, which is denominated in dollars. If they did that, no-one would lend them money anymore and they'd be unable to function.

    So those are the two major things backing the dollar - the fact that people will need dollars to pay taxes, and government's need to protect their ability to continue borrowing.

  8. Wright's home raided by Australian Police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    At 1:30pm today, Australian Police raided the home of Craig Wright.
    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/09/bitcoin-founder-craig-wrights-home-raided-by-australian-police

  9. Re:who gives a Trump Soundbite? by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FWIW, if you're sitting on a big pile of bitcoins, the best thing to do would be to sell them slowly. If I were the inventor, I would:

    - Remain steadfastly anonymous (unlike anyone else who creates a major new technology.) Using a pseudonym doesn't hurt. (Hey, it works for me here.)
    - Mint myself a big pile at first
    - Sell them slowly so as not to devalue them or draw too much attention to myself.

    IIRC, Spain once had a problem where they had acquired a big pile of gold from the New World and they thought they were rich. Then, they learned that they weren't as rich as they thought because a sudden increase in the supply of any currency inevitably devalues it.

    The primary selling point of gold as a currency is that it can't be created, it can only be mined at ever-increasing cost - much like Bitcoin. The sudden increase of supply from the New World was an anomalous exception to that rule. I'm sure the Bitcoin folks won't make the same mistake.

  10. Police were quick to act! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just an hour ago police raided his place, more than 10 officers... But rest assured people, this is only related to an ATO investigation and has nothing to do with him being suggested to be the Bitcoin master mind. The ATO always have such a strong task force in Australia, regardless of the recent massive lay offs and the fight over the rich dodging tax for years (we just passed a bill that allowed the richest Australian's to hide their tax information due to threat of kidnapping, of which our law enforcement agency never got consulted on and there has never been a kidnapping attempt made).

    There is a war going on in Australia over the need to overhaul our tax codes as more and more details of rich companies and people paying NO tax on billions of profit each year. The ministers swore at the G20 to go after them and then the next week quietly sacked a large minority of ATO works and cut their budget to pathetic levels. Then passed laws to protect the rich from being revealed.. But NOW we have a 10+ raid performed on a barely billionaire who was only just outed as the creator of Bitcoin and we have an international attach on encryption with Australia being a part of the five eyes group... Yeah no connection at all there, they will trump this as going after the rich and the bulk of citizens will cheer.

    1. Re:Police were quick to act! by KGIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hmm... I can kind of, sort of, see tax information being private for individuals. Back in 2008 or so, someone doxxed me, partially, and that resulted in someone posting my tax information online. It kind of felt intrusive and sucked to have it made public. I did the only "rational" thing that I could think of and that was just to accept it and move on. Sure, they got to see that I'd donated a bunch of money and had made a few dollars but it wasn't too bad. I'd made the mistake of mentioning the parent company that bought my company and, sure enough, that information was enough to get them started.

      It was just felt intrusive. I know it's public information and all that but, really, it just seemed excessive. The forum's dead but I'm sure the stuff is cached somewhere. It might not seem like much and, really, so they learned I give money to Red Cross, ACLU, Heifer International, etc... I did have some negative repercussions. I had people crawling out of the woodwork to email me and asking me to support this cause, that cause, etc. I got hate-mail (I even got some snail mail) for not donating to a few causes. (The urge to name and shame is strong but these weren't "official" things but just zealots.) I'm not entirely sure how they got all of the information but they managed to put enough together and dox me pretty well.

      Now, I'm running for office in 2016 and that means I'll be subjected to more scrutiny but that's because I'm electing to do put myself in that position. I'm accepting that I'll be public information (for a very small group of people, it's a rather tiny district) and I'm okay with that. There's a big difference between that and being doxxed and having your tax information posted online. I was already in the process of moving so it wasn't too tough to change some of the information but I ended up closing a few sites, getting rid of some email addresses, and things like that.

      So, I guess, I can kind of see keeping tax data private for individuals or I can at least see a reason why we might want to have that discussion as a society. I'd not done anything wrong and I didn't stress over it a whole lot but it sucked. I got some pretty crappy emails, a bunch of begging emails, regular mail, and had to clean up after that but it really felt intrusive. It did show that I paid my taxes, in full, to the letter of the law. It did show that I have some favorite charities. I can imagine that it'd be much worse if I didn't pay my taxes or if I'd been donating to causes that were harmful. I also imagine that it would have been different if I'd stressed out over it and gone on an internet rampage trying to take it all down.

      Meh... It's probably cached somewhere. One could probably find it by Googling my SSN. The genie doesn't go back in the bottle. 'Snot much I can do but it still kind of sucks. So, as I said, maybe we can have that discussion but it does presuppose that the government is doing its job and collecting taxes effectively and efficiently.

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  11. Fuck Wired, Fuck Gizmoto by AndyKron · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ya, and he got fucking raided as a result! http://www.rawstory.com/2015/1...

    1. Re:Fuck Wired, Fuck Gizmoto by ledow · · Score: 2

      Doubtful.

      I don't know Australian law but even things like capital gains tax only take effect when you actually sell the asset. If you buy a house and it goes up in price, you don't get taxed the profit from it until you sell the house (or otherwise trade it).

      And even if it was taxed, it's unlikely to be more than a pittance of the overall amount and only an idiot would try to dump the lot, rather than just cash our a bitcoin per week or whatever.

      But more likely is that in all their poking, they found out that he was running a financial institution without proper licenses, or something like that. "Unrelated" to Bitcoin, but happened to be discovered while the article was written and reported to police diligently if/when he refused to give an exclusive? Nah, that's just me being cynical.

    2. Re:Fuck Wired, Fuck Gizmoto by RubberDogBone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The cops were already on to him. They knew who he was. The Wired story blew it open and forced the police to act. The police did not surf around and see the Wired story and say "hey we should arrest that guy! This magazine says it's him!" They already knew. They were watching and waiting.

      The magazine blew away the option to keep watching. The way the police swooped in so fast means they had warrants and plans already in the works. He was going to get raided soon.

      In a sense the magazines may have done him a huge favor: there cannot now be a shadowing secret raid where the key "person of interest" nobody has ever heard of simply disappears into a prison. Wired knows who he is and so do we all now. And there will be reporters all over this like lions on meat. Wright may not escape the cops, but the cops won't be able to just bury him in jail without hundreds of reporters nagging them silly about it. Wright's cover got blown AND his ass got saved at the same time.

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    3. Re:Fuck Wired, Fuck Gizmoto by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Hmm... I'm not sure where to begin and I'm not an expert in Australian tax law.

      If, for instance, you sell your business you can't just stuff the money into an investment account quickly and avoid being taxed at the income tax levels. You get taxed at income tax levels and then you invest and the profits from the investments (and just the profits) are taxed as capital gains rates. If not listed and taxed (regardless of liquid status) this might be income in Australian law.

      I think it's interesting because for them to tax this as income they'll have to declare it has value, officially. They may even need to declare it's a currency. This could have wide-reaching implications.

      That said, I'm not an accountant nor an expert on their tax code. I do, however, have a passing familiarity with such and I do employ an accountant. For the record, I pay all of my taxes. In my case, it was a little odd. When I sold my business a goodly portion was payment in shares from the now-parent company. They actually increased in value and I was unable to sell them or trade them immediately because of SEC(?) rules. (I don't remember if it was 60 days or 6 months but it was one of those. You can't just sell 'em immediately.)

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  12. sometimes. Lauryn Hill to prison, Willie Nelson by raymorris · · Score: 2

    -Most- of the time, the IRS will only take your stuff because sending someone to prison costs them money. However, Lauryn Hill went to prison for failure to pay taxes and Willie Nelson nearly did. Unlike private creditors, the IRS can seize your bank account and other assets without a court hearing, and you -can- go to prison for failure to pay them.

  13. Is this new swatting method? by sinij · · Score: 2

    Is being outer as Satoshi Nakamoto is the new swatting thing, but with more long-lasting negative consequences?

  14. Re:the opposite of fiat (declaration) it's specula by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

    So those are the two major things backing the dollar - the fact that people will need dollars to pay taxes, and government's need to protect their ability to continue borrowing.

    You're overlooking something...

    The US economy, that is really what backs the US dollar. Well, that, and the US military, our allies, and various agreements we have around the world...

    We have printed over 4 trillion dollars since 2008, but the world seems to have absorbed it, which I'm actually surprised about, but given issues in other economies, it may have simply balanced out.

    The Fed's books are likely very ugly, but as long as the US economy continues to function, it probably doesn't matter. At the end of the day, the US has huge natural resources, we still actually make a ton of stuff, and we have the most powerful military in the world.

    China is rising, and we're wise not to speak to them the same way we speak to the Russians, who are last century's news (even if Putin doesn't want to hear it).

    In the 21st Century, it is going to be China and the US, and then everyone else.

  15. Police Raid basically confirms it by RubberDogBone · · Score: 2

    Reuters is reporting Australian police have executed search warrants (or the Aussie version of such a thing) on several different locations owned or occupied by Wrights. This proves Wired and Gizmodo got it right.

    It takes evidence and time to get these warrants in the US and more time to stage people an officers and make plans for this kind of raid. Again assuming Aussies work the same way, this means the cops were already onto him before the media suddenly got on the trail and tipped him off that his cover was shattered. With the media sniffing around, he probably had time to run, hide, or do something else to escape. The cops slammed the door shut the moment they saw the media coverage. Their plans to keep watching him blown. It didn't sound like he was in custody yet.

    Wired's evidence seems good and solid and the dots connect nicely. This man is an idiot tripped up by the same thing that catches many people trying to hide: their own damn mouths.

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