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Stephen Wolfram's Free Book Teaches the Wolfram Language To Kids

theodp writes: Stephen Wolfram received a PhD in particle physics at age 20 (his thesis committee included Richard Feynman). So it's probably not too surprising that Wolfram's new book, An Elementary Introduction to the Wolfram Language (free on the web), aspires to teach those new to programming how to do much more than just move Minecraft and Star Wars characters around. "The goal of the book," explains Wolfram in a blog post, "is to take people from zero to the point where they know enough about the Wolfram Language that they can routinely use it to create programs for things they want to do. And when I say 'zero', I really mean 'zero'. This is a book for everyone. It doesn't assume any knowledge of programming, or math (beyond basic arithmetic), or anything else. It just starts from scratch and explains things. I've tried to make it appropriate for both adults and kids. I think it'll work for typical kids aged about 12 and up."

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  1. Starting from Scratch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    >This is a book for everyone. It doesn't assume any knowledge of programming, or math (beyond basic arithmetic), or anything else. It just starts from scratch and
    >explains things.

    I thought MIT Scratch was programming. I must be really confused.

    1. Re:Starting from Scratch? by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      No I think Stephen Wolfram is the one who is confused. Mathematica was ok but from there it's all been a downhill mission creep experience. Why be excellent at one thing when you can be mediocre at everything!

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    2. Re:Starting from Scratch? by ripvlan · · Score: 1

      yeah - this really is "from scratch" I read the first few pages - including some of the Q&A. The detail is amazing. The kinds of questions he anticipates - he is trying to teach all possible knowledge

      Although, I did find the Machine Learning section pretty cool.

  2. Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Wolfram Language represents a major advance in programming
    languages that makes leading-edge computation accessible to everyone.
    Unique in its approach of building in vast knowledge and automation,
    the Wolfram Language scales from a single line of easy-to-understand
    interactive code to million-line production systems.

    This guy has serious talent in math, science and computers, but his self-promotion skills rival P.T. Barnum.

    1. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 0, Troll

      Agreed.

      received a PhD in particle physics at age 20

      The older I get, the more I've learned that these wunderkind child prodigies that get advanced degrees before they're old enough to drink (in the US) are more the result of political connections and corruption (and probably gaslighting asshole managers) than anything else.

      What did I get from my school for actually accomplishing things? Threats of federal felony prosecution. Oh, and have an AP class, kid. (Oh, I'm forgetting the 1 or 2 grade bump here and there to keep me satisfied that with the just world hypothesis and plenty of FEEL GUILTY FOR BEING ASSIGNED THE MALE GENDER AGAINST YOUR WILL BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN FUCKING DO TO ESCAPE IT instead of actually studying literature in English class!)

      Ok, mod this comment -1. I'm going to go here. It's almost SJW Friday and that means I get to read yet more comments reacting to articles about promoting diversity by bitching about how trans women are the most privileged people in the universe. If that were true, why the fuck didn't they offer me the sex change I wanted and instead left me with excruciating physical pain from genital mutilation?!

    2. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Viol8 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "The older I get, the more I've learned that these wunderkind child prodigies that get advanced degrees before they're old enough to drink (in the US) are more the result of political connections and corruption (and probably gaslighting asshole managers) than anything else."

      Jealous, much? As for the rest of your self pitying deluded grievances, nobody fucking cares. Get help.

    3. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The older I get, the more I've learned that these wunderkind child prodigies that get advanced degrees before they're old enough to drink (in the US) are more the result of political connections and corruption (and probably gaslighting asshole managers) than anything else.

      I seriously doubt that anyone who had Richard Feynman on his thesis committee skated by on his degree.

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    4. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olinto_De_Pretto

    5. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      PhD in particle physics at age 20

      Then he got distracted by some little side project and ended up never making any contribution to the field of particle physics.
      what a failure.

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    6. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The older I get, the more I've learned that these wunderkind child prodigies that get advanced degrees before they're old enough to drink (in the US) are more the result of political connections and corruption (and probably gaslighting asshole managers) than anything else.

      I started College at age 10 and went to NTSU. (Now UNT)

      I think you are smoking something, my experience is that it was a lot of work. I had no political connections and I know of no corruption outside the standard BS corruption that applies to all colleges.

    7. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by avandesande · · Score: 1

      It's funny you bring that up though- Feynman didn't have any of these 'wunderkind' attributes and claims he has an IQ of 125, yet was arguably brilliant and accomplished quite a bit.

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    8. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I started College at age 10 and went to NTSU. (Now UNT)

      And yet you are dumb enough to respond to this obvious rant/troll. Some things just can't be taught in school, kid.

    9. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The older I get, the more I've learned that these wunderkind child prodigies that get advanced degrees before they're old enough to drink (in the US) are more the result of political connections and corruption (and probably gaslighting asshole managers) than anything else.

      This. It happens everywhere in the world. The Ivory Tower is a scam,

    10. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

      How does one get a degree with 6+ years of prerequisites which are only available after getting a high school diploma, which requires wasting time in high school learning underwater basket weaving for at least 4 years, which requires another 3 years wasting time being bullied in middle school, which requires another 6 years wasting time at the K-5 level being forced to endure basic shit you mastered in 2nd grade over and over again while being told that because you were assigned the male gender at birth, you don't have access to any of the better projects or opportunities that girls do, because boys are just dumber and you're a boy, no matter what you fucking say or argue, which you can't even start until you're 5 years old?

      Help me understand this. I get that Feynman was on the committee. No argument here that he was brilliant and brutally honest. I'm a big fan. Something simply doesn't add up about these 20 year old PhD wunderkinds.

      I'd accept time travel as an adequate solution before believing that it's possible to, completely unaided by corruption, money, and connections, earn a PhD at 20 on merit alone.

    11. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      I'd accept time travel as an adequate solution before believing that it's possible to, completely unaided by corruption, money, and connections, earn a PhD at 20 on merit alone.

      You seem to be under the impression that the bell curve has limits on its extremities. Perhaps listening to some Mozart or Beethoven might dissuade of this restrictive idea.

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    12. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Then he got distracted by some little side project and ended up never making any contribution to the field of particle physics.

      what a failure.

      You mean other than the many papers he wrote, had published, and had been extensively cited about particle physics.
      Yeah what a fucking failure. What a disgrace of a man.

    13. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by jheath314 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I myself was curious, so I looked it up on Wikipedia.

      Seems like he educated himself in particle physics when he was very young (started publishing papers at age 15), got accepted early by St. John's College when he applied at age 17, switched to CalTech at age 19, and got his Ph.D. a year later.

      Now, obviously he was allowed to fast forward through the years of grinding that are normally required before you can enter college or work on a Ph.D. thesis. Given that he was already publishing widely cited physics papers at the age of 18, that was probably a good call on the part of his instructors.

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    14. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      This just goes to show how simple STEM degrees really are. Blaze through six years of university math at warp speed, and you're done. Getting a Phd in humanities or social science would be near impossible not just because of the massive amount of reading it takes to get through all the required material, but also because humanities take a bit of insight on life which you really just aren't going to have by age 20. Nietzsche was one of the great prodigies of philosophy, but even he didn't have his doctorate by 25 (but then he was made full professor by 26).

      The college and university system was very different in the time of guys like Newton and Hume, so for them to finish school in their teens is not a signal of precocity so much as a signal that they were attending very different schools than we have today. Just think how many classes per semester would you have to do in order to complete a math or physics bachelors in time to finish your phd Phd by 20? I work in education, even the most obsessed student can't do more than six, simple because there aren't enough hours in the day. Still, it reflects the overall softness of the STEM curriculum that such a thing is even possible. There's just no way you could do the reading, and no, you cannot use speed reading tricks to get through someone like Derrida.

    15. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gaslighting asshole managers

      What.

      That sounds terribly painful. And I thought most layers of management were useless cruft, but damn, that's just terrible.

    16. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh, so its sort of like an "honorary degree" given to people who are "exceptional" but didn't actually do the work. Got it.

    17. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by deKernel · · Score: 1

      Any student is able to test out of a class (meaning they get full credit for the class) which would allow for this to happen.

    18. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is probably why he was able to talk his way into a Phd program at Caltech despite not having an undergrad degree. Ever notice how there was this strange cluster of "Jewish Prodigies" right around the time of WW2? It's almost like how there are all these Indian geniuses coming here to do jobs that are just too hard for Americans...

    19. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He does not impress me, because I was [am] as [maybe more] brilliant than him. I just had the bad luck to be born in the wrong country, wrong family, wrong everything. I am a victim of the system. Now his name is shining throughout the internet and I am just a Coward on Slashdot. Life sucks. Reaching for my .38.

    20. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What accredited college allows students to test out of a class?

    21. Re: Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free on the web but should you dare want a copy you must pay a $1000+ yearly fee, although that does include the desktop version of Mathematica. I hope HTTRack left me a surprise this morning!

    22. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I knew a guy like this in graduate school. He left high school before graduating to attend university. He left that university before graduating to enter the Ph.D. program in the math department at another university. He was really motivated to study. He said that if didn't get his Ph.D. he would have no diploma, not even from high school! For him it was Ph.D or G.E.D.!

    23. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On starting undergrad, I placed out of 2.5 years of the physics curriculum. To bad I was interested in biology and the biology program didn't allow anyone to place out of their required basic physics courses.

    24. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Help me understand this. I get that Feynman was on the committee. No argument here that he was brilliant and brutally honest. I'm a big fan. Something simply doesn't add up about these 20 year old PhD wunderkinds.

      The university I attended had a separate section for "smarter than general" math/science/engineering students, which I was fortunate enough to be a part of. I estimate that 20%-30% of those students that attended high schools that partnered with the university already had taken two years of college math courses. Some of them had already taken the first year or two of physics courses, as well.

      My point is this: if it were that easy for some of us "smarter than general" students, it wouldn't surprise me at all that someone who was extraordinarily gifted and had opportunities to take college classes would be finished with their undergraduate degree on or before they graduated from high school. Finishing up a Ph.D. in the next 2-3 years would probably be relatively easy for someone like that.

    25. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can appreciate that you're bitter over your humanities Ph.D, but I would really like some fries with my Big Mac.

    26. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every single college that accepts AP Exams, which is pretty much all public land-grant universities in the US.

      I got credits for my Freshman Comp class by having enough foresight to take the AP English exam in high school. That was probably the best decision I made for my engineering degrees.

    27. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh, I assure you my career is quite secure, friend, but have fun trying to stay one step ahead of the influx of H1B dirtbags.

    28. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That, in itself, is a very good thing. I believe what the poster we are responding to meant by the wunderkid comment is that there are likely many more that could have done the same if they were provided such luxurious opportunities.

      For one anecdote, I educated myself in calculus and was dabbling in upperclassmen level EE theory by the time I was 11. For years I was discouraged as being arrogant when trying to get more information or ask people to read my work. I was actively discouraged by the public education system from saying "Hey, I did something. Could you look at it and tell me what you think?" all because I was clearly too young for the material and was obviously lying.

      So strong was the discouragement I became depressed, my interests became tainted, and I stopped pursuing that life. I still have a bookshelf worth of textbooks I hoarded with my paper route money somewhere.

      What might have been. I am sure many people reading slashdot have stories that parallel mine.

    29. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As for the rest of your self pitying deluded grievances, nobody fucking cares.

      You obviously did...

    30. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by serbanp · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but both Mozart's and Beethoven's compositions written before they reached their mid twenties are mediocre at best and, especially in Mozart's case, completely forgettable.

      No one - including the 150+ IQ genius - is good at something before time and effort have been invested into excelling at that something. You may scoff at the 10000-hours idea, but I challenge you to show one example of someone being fantastic at what he/she's doing right from the start, without countless hours of practice and study being invested in their craft.

    31. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      How does one get a degree with 6+ years of prerequisites which are only available after getting a high school diploma, which requires wasting time in high school learning underwater basket weaving for at least 4 years, which requires another 3 years wasting time being bullied in middle school, which requires another 6 years wasting time at the K-5 level being forced to endure basic shit you mastered in 2nd grade over and over again

      Because none of those things are actually true. Wikipedia has an article listing 20 different ways of circumventing that bullshit. If you think you should have been a PhD-at-20 wunderkind, either you aren't as smart as you think you are, or you should blame your parents either for not being aware of those options or for holding you back in hopes you'd develop better social skills (which clearly didn't work, if that's what happened).

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    32. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is just not true. Most colleges have hard residency requirements. If you test out of a class you have to replace it with another of equal or harder difficulty in the same field.

      All testing out does for you in 2015 is make you pay for an extra class you don't have to attend and make you do harder work for the same degree as the 2.5 GPA dunces get.

    33. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by plcurechax · · Score: 1

      How does one get a degree with 6+ years of prerequisites which are only available after getting a high school diploma, which requires wasting time in high school [...] Something simply doesn't add up about these 20 year old PhD wunderkinds.

      [...] before believing that it's possible to, completely unaided by corruption, money, and connections, earn a PhD at 20 on merit alone.

      Simple, don't waste years getting a high school diploma, and rapidly get (e.g. in ~1 year) or skip getting an undergraduate degree.

      Thousands of young teens (under 18) get advanced placement in universities every year. The mainstream media generally has a story of some wunderkid getting a PhD by the time (or before) they are old enough to get a driver's license (i.e. 16) about every 5 to 10 years. They generally have to get a medical doctorate or such to be particularly newsworthy.

      University admissions is primarily based on merit, not pre-requisites. That is, nearly all of admission requirements can be waived if the Admissions department believe the candidate will be successful. In the case of Stephen Wolfram, his published papers demonstrated his academic maturity.

      In all the cases I'm aware of, influenced admissions was for average-aged or mature students with weak test scores, and/or behaviour problems, but with money or political influence.

      Personally, I was granted non-degree (part-time) admissions to university before I graduated high school, when I was 16, and that wasn't anything special.

    34. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by hey! · · Score: 2

      If you look at Wolfram's career it's clear he didn't get where he is because the fix was in; but that career also suggests why physics isn't dominated by these single-minded prodigies. What obsesses you at 15 probably won't hold the same fascination when you're 21, over a third of your life later. But you can use your Phd-stamped prodigy card to make a lateral career move.

      There are a few landmark physicists who got their PhDs fairly young-ish, say 22-24; but when you're 20, 2-4 years more is still a long time. Most of these guys showed early interest things besides physics. Max Planck was a music prodigy. Heisenberg joined a paramilitary group to overthrow the government of Bavaria. Paul Dirac earned an undergraduate degree in electrical engineering. The teenaged Stephen Hawking tinkered with homemade fireworks and model airplanes.

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    35. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Me and a few other "H1B dirtbags" are coming for your job too, friend. Because not only are we better at math, but we're also better at English, even if it is our second language. Better pray Trump gets in, because without some pretty big border walls, we're going to price you and your kids out of all the nice areas. Unless, of course, you get off your asses and actually do some hard work like your great-grandparents did. But I think we all know how unlikely that is. Now, just go get the fries please and stop pouting over your empty tip jar.

    36. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Cole Miller, one of my friends in grad school at Caltech, started the Ph.D. program in physics at age 16, and was 21 or 22 when he got his degree. That's not far from Wolfram's age when he got his Ph.D. I entered Caltech in 1984, talked to two people who knew Wolfram personally, and I never heard any hint of "corruption, money, and connections" -- just some quibbling over intellectual property rights to SMP, the predecessor of Mathematica. (No question about who wrote it, mind you, just who owned it.)

    37. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have never interacted with him myself, but I have worked with individuals who did. Their assessment could not be more damning - in a nutshell, the guy is a bastard who will think nothing of stabbing people in the back, if that will suit his purposes. The truth is, however, that he burnt himself out many years ago. He was touted to become the next Einstein, somebody destined to great accomplishments in the world of physics and mathematics. Not so. I recall an expert describing his work in chaos in cellular automata as competent, but no more than that. Finally, the influence of his big tome "A New Kind of Science" has been essentially negligible; indeed, the book is mostly forgotten nowadays.

    38. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      No one - including the 150+ IQ genius - is good at something before time and effort have been invested into excelling at that something. You may scoff at the 10000-hours idea, but I challenge you to show one example of someone being fantastic at what he/she's doing right from the start, without countless hours of practice and study being invested in their craft.

      What about this guy? Sure, an exception to the rule, but still, an exception.

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    39. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed.

      received a PhD in particle physics at age 20

      The older I get, the more I've learned that these wunderkind child prodigies that get advanced degrees before they're old enough to drink (in the US) are more the result of political connections and corruption (and probably gaslighting asshole managers) than anything else.

      What did I get from my school for actually accomplishing things? Threats of federal felony prosecution. Oh, and have an AP class, kid. (Oh, I'm forgetting the 1 or 2 grade bump here and there to keep me satisfied that with the just world hypothesis and plenty of FEEL GUILTY FOR BEING ASSIGNED THE MALE GENDER AGAINST YOUR WILL BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN FUCKING DO TO ESCAPE IT instead of actually studying literature in English class!)

      Ok, mod this comment -1. I'm going to go here. It's almost SJW Friday and that means I get to read yet more comments reacting to articles about promoting diversity by bitching about how trans women are the most privileged people in the universe. If that were true, why the fuck didn't they offer me the sex change I wanted and instead left me with excruciating physical pain from genital mutilation?!

      Wut?

    40. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...assigned...

      You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

    41. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      while being told that because you were assigned the male gender at birth, you don't have access to any of the better projects or opportunities that girls do,

      LOL and which ones are these, specifically?

    42. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Feynman "attained a perfect score on the graduate school entrance exams to Princeton University in mathematics and physics—an unprecedented feat" - WP
      However Feynman always insisted had no special talents. He credited curiosity and hard work for his success.

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    43. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by spauldo · · Score: 1

      Most of 'em.

      See CLEP.

      It's a good way to lighten your coarse load. It's not horribly unusual for people to use CLEP to graduate a semester or two early.

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    44. Re: Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dont.

    45. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing is, you didn't prove to the world that you're as brilliant as he is given your victim spirit. There are plenty of victims who take control of their lives and set out to achieve a positive goal. It sounds to me that you continue to wallow in your victimhood rather than use that supposed genius to achieve things.

    46. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No he cared about the guy's bitching not about his problems

    47. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wolfram looks like it's cloud only too. Sorry, but I like my programming languages to have compilers that produce real executables.

    48. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Heisenberg joined a paramilitary group to overthrow the government of Bavaria.

      Yes, and this early experiment in right wing terrorism certainly helped impress the Nazis and get him a cushy job later on.

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    49. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know he didn't do any work because you've spent your time watching him not doing work?

    50. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent by smhsmh · · Score: 1

      What obsesses you at 15

      Sex?

      probably won't hold the same fascination when you're 21, over a third of your life later.

      Still the same?

  3. is it $5 a month? by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was trying to figure out where I can use the language. I found something that looked like a portal for about $5 a month. is that the intended way to use this. Is the a free junior version of this somewhere? $5 isn't bad at all if you use it frequently but I'd rather learn it and see if I actually use it for free.

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    1. Re:is it $5 a month? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can get it for the Raspberry Pi at no cost, so I assume there's (nonfree) linux packages.

      http://www.wolfram.com/raspberry-pi/?source=nav

      It's free (no cost) for non commercial use and there are packages for noobs and raspbian.

    2. Re:is it $5 a month? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was trying to figure out where I can use the language. I found something that looked like a portal for about $5 a month. is that the intended way to use this. Is the a free junior version of this somewhere? $5 isn't bad at all if you use it frequently but I'd rather learn it and see if I actually use it for free.

      Check out http://www.wolfram.com/programming-lab/ which has several free options.

    3. Re:is it $5 a month? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why you call the use of packages 'for noobs'.

      Packages are a nice and clean way to install and remove software from a computer. If you want to compile yourself, sure go ahead but 90% of the users have no reason at all to do so.

      Had you called it 'for the lazy among us' i'd understand it as a joke. But calling those lazy users 'noobs' is a bit far stretched and unfounded.

    4. Re:is it $5 a month? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if you are joking, but the standard installation system for the Raspberry Pi is called NOOBS.

      https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/noobs-setup/

      To get started with Raspberry Pi you need an operating system. NOOBS (New Out Of the Box Software) is an easy operating system install manager for the Raspberry Pi.

    5. Re:is it $5 a month? by jason.sweet · · Score: 2

      'noobs' refers to the linux distribution that runs on raspberry pi, not the user.

    6. Re:is it $5 a month? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Then use the fucking capital letters or tell those idiots to find a less confusing acronym.

    7. Re:is it $5 a month? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Confusing names is the open source way. Ask an uninitiated person to try to figure out what "grub" or "gimp" or "wine" refer to.

    8. Re:is it $5 a month? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Or, for that matter, closed source. If you don't know already, guess what Excel does. "Outlook" doesn't sound like a mail client with scheduling capability to me. Heck, in my first computing job (on 370s) we used a very useful program called HASP. Want to guess what that did? (Answer: it was the Houston Aerospace Spooling Program or something like that, and it would do things like read entire card decks at once and spool the contents on demand, instead of letting OS/370 read a card at a time while running the job.)

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  4. If you want people to learn programming... by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... it helps if you make it fun. Ok, some people will learn anyway because they're really into it, but others - especially kids - won't unless its fun. Which is why Logo did well back in the 80s with moving a virtual or real turtle around.

    Looking at his book it seems to me "fun" wasn't exactly in his top 10 ToDo list when writing it. For most people it will be about as much fun as having a tooth pulled. Lists and barcharts in chapter 4? Seriously? Fine in the MS Excel manual, not so great in a beginners book targeted at people who wouldn't normally think about learning programming.

    1. Re:If you want people to learn programming... by chispito · · Score: 2

      Looking at his book it seems to me "fun" wasn't exactly in his top 10 ToDo list when writing it.

      So... back to Minecraft?

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    2. Re:If you want people to learn programming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Logo did well? Microsoft DOS for Dummies seemed to outsell all Logo oriented books about 100:1 at the time, I can't think of a single Logo use example that lasted longer than making a pentagram with the turtle, getting bored and doing something completely Logo un-related afterward.

    3. Re:If you want people to learn programming... by spauldo · · Score: 1

      I never used Logo, because none of the schools I attended in the 80s taught programming until high school, and by that age BASIC and Pascal were the languages of choice.

      That said, I first learned BASIC by drawing things on an Atari 800. It was just PLOT and DRAWTO statements, so to do anything interesting you had to use loops and conditionals. It was a blast.

      I can see where Logo would have been popular in the places it was taught.

      --
      Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach either, do tech support.
    4. Re:If you want people to learn programming... by Kellamity · · Score: 1

      Logo did well in that some schools bought it I guess. We used to use it in early primary school, along with playing Lemonade Stand in our weekly 'computer class' on the Microbee's. I enjoyed it because I loved anything computer related (we didn't have one at home) but I don't know if it was really 'fun'...

  5. Man, I never noticed before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but Wolfram looks a lot like Scott Adsit.

    1. Re: Man, I never noticed before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha. I always thought he looked like George Costanza from Seinfeld

  6. what good is "Wolfram Language" for kids? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering all university classes use MATLAB. Nice try to get kids indoctrinated to your shitty product though, bro.

    1. Re:what good is "Wolfram Language" for kids? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      All my university classes used Mathematica.

    2. Re:what good is "Wolfram Language" for kids? by lgw · · Score: 2

      All my university classes used Mathematica.

      Which was invented by ... Stephen Wolfram. Funny old world. To the trolls: he already has a very successful language for scientific/engineering computation. This is something new.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    3. Re:what good is "Wolfram Language" for kids? by kthreadd · · Score: 1

      Considering all university classes use MATLAB. Nice try to get kids indoctrinated to your shitty product though, bro.

      We used GNU Octave in mine. But you could use MATLAB too if you wanted.

  7. I'm imagining this guy's inner monologue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm imagining this guy's inner monologue. It goes something like this.

    WAAAAH WAAAAH I'm smart pay attention to me WAAAAAH WAAAAAH I studied physics but for some reason you should listen to me about computer programming WAAAAH WAAAAAH why did daddy never love me WAAAAAH WAAAAAAH is it because my dick is so tiny WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

    Something like that.

    1. Re:I'm imagining this guy's inner monologue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I studied physics but for some reason you should listen to me about computer programming

      Because physics and engineering don't require scientific computing, right? WAAAAH WAAAAH!

    2. Re:I'm imagining this guy's inner monologue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet somehow physics and engineering exists for hundreds of years before "scientific computing"...

    3. Re:I'm imagining this guy's inner monologue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet somehow physics and engineering exists for hundreds of years before "scientific computing"...

      Done by hand using your custom method of computing [Calculus > Newton}

    4. Re:I'm imagining this guy's inner monologue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Scientific computing"? BWAHAHAHA have you ever seen code that physicists and engineers write? It's like their minds are a bunch of wet cats fighting over who gets to gnaw on live electrical wires.

    5. Re:I'm imagining this guy's inner monologue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to be an uber programmer to call a few in-built functions. These users are not writing programs that are thousands of lines of code. Rather they write a few hundred lines to get the data or plot they want.

  8. For the Hermione Grangers of the world, I guess by enjar · · Score: 1

    Anything with a title that begins "An Elementary Introduction ..." isn't likely to inspire staying up late with your friends.

    My kids went right after that Scratch / Minecraft skin and Hour of Code stuff because it was Minecraft-related, and also because the examples provided actually DID something ... and did it quickly, and it was Kind of Fun. It also Just Works in the browser. No significant barrier to entry, you don't even need Minecraft ... since it's just a Scratch skin running in the browser ... any browser.

    My kids are also keenly interesting in making videos of their Minecraft adventures, and also want to get into mods so they can make purple cows or whatever. They want to know the absolute bare minimum required to get from A to B, and will at first follow any instructions by rote and pray they work, and if they don't, they get frustrated and then look around more. Reminds me a lot of when I started fooling around with computers, although I didn't have this big fancy Internet thing to find answers on, I had to get answers other ways.

    Looking at the blog post ... arithmetic operations, pie charts, creating lists and operating on the lists, and ... DAD, CAN I PLAY MINECRAFT NOW? THIS IS BOOOORING.

    1. Re:For the Hermione Grangers of the world, I guess by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Why, yes, the Really Smart Guy who got his PhD when he was 20 and subsequently created Mathematica and then the Wolfram language ... he made something intended to help people learn stuff.

      I would say the Hermione Grangers of the world is probably fairly apt ... he sure as hell wasn't targeting the morons of the world.

      --
      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    2. Re:For the Hermione Grangers of the world, I guess by enjar · · Score: 1

      Sure. It's just not going to get legions of run-of-the-mill twelve year olds to lap it up with the same eagerness as the other materials which have been created to appeal to that age group.

    3. Re:For the Hermione Grangers of the world, I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was really into arithmetic operations, pie charts, creating lists and operating on the lists when I was 10 years old (on my friends dad's TRS-80). I remember staying up all night many many times hacking on Temple of Apshai. I as kinda a nerd though. Kids these days.

    4. Re:For the Hermione Grangers of the world, I guess by lgw · · Score: 1

      Right - he's targeting the other nerds out there. Remember when this site was "News for Nerds"? I would have loved this when I was you. The Scratch-style stuff I would have long outgrown and dismissed as kids stuff by 12, if the tools had been around.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
  9. Better than Swift! by lucm · · Score: 1

    Do they have the flag of Switzerland in Swift? No.

    Wolfram: 1
    Swift: 0

    --
    lucm, indeed.
    1. Re:Better than Swift! by raph · · Score: 1
      Would this count?

      print("\u{1F1E8}\u{1F1ED}")

      --

      LILO boot: linux init=/usr/bin/emacs

  10. Wolf, Ram, and Heart by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Attn: Wolfram Usability Testing

    1. I took me 10 minutes to figure out a "Wolfram Notebook", needed for these exercises, is not a product by itself, with an easy-to-find link, but part of lab.wolfram.com.

    2. The first hello world program, solve 2+2: fails with "syntax error". It turns out you don't need the colon. I assume the colon is part of the section header of the text, but it is not obvious to leave it out.

    3. 2+2= similarly gives bad results. Fair enough, but it is more logical than a colon, or nothing.

    Well, that is my first 15 minutes with it.

    --
    (-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
    1. Re:Wolf, Ram, and Heart by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Oh, I forgot to add this notebook is almost useless on a cell phone like a Galaxy S6 in either landscape or portrait mode, as the right hand side, the non-notebook side, is too wide and "wins", and the pop up keyboard on the phone covers too much given the non-notebook real estate budget you demand.

      Perhaps this is true notebook or desktop only, ok, but why rely on shift if so?

      --
      (-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
    2. Re:Wolf, Ram, and Heart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Attn: Wolfram Usability Testing

      1. I took me 10 minutes to figure out a "Wolfram Notebook", needed for these exercises, is not a product by itself, with an easy-to-find link, but part of lab.wolfram.com.

      My impression is usability is a steaming pile of shit. The notebook is actually found at https://lab.open.wolframcloud.com/app/ and it is NOT easy to find.

      2. The first hello world program, solve 2+2: fails with "syntax error". It turns out you don't need the colon. I assume the colon is part of the section header of the text, but it is not obvious to leave it out.

      There's more ways to mess it up than that, and you're lucky if you get a syntax error. For me, I click in the pane, as the "hint" suggest, do the shift-enter and ... get nothing. Way to go!

      3. 2+2= similarly gives bad results. Fair enough, but it is more logical than a colon, or nothing.

      Well, that is my first 15 minutes with it.

      And that about mirrors my first (and last) 15 minutes with it. I don't have enough life for figuring out this kind of terrible interface.

      Honestly, this language may be a good idea, or may be poor. There's no way to tell unless you want to invest serious time into. Wunderkind or not, it's plain stupid to expect people to make that kind of credulous gamble.

    3. Re:Wolf, Ram, and Heart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was Wolf, Ram, and Hart.

  11. "take people from zero" by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    And when I say 'zero', I really mean 'zero'.

    What, like the moment of conception?

    --
    If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
  12. A new kind of science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Stephen Wolfram - A new kind of science - the kind you have to pay for.

    The language isn't free.
    From what I can tell you must pay $10/mo to $15/mo in order to "save your notebook".

    How nice of him to give out free books that teach about his non-free language.

    1. Re:A new kind of science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems like you can do quite a bit for free. Save notebooks, even deploy code and share with others.

      http://www.wolfram.com/programming-lab/pricing/

    2. Re:A new kind of science by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      When I was younger, we paid for our compilers and liked it! I spent thousands of dollars in the 70s through 90s on assorted compilers and interpreters, because there were no good free ones for the systems I used. I paid for Pascal, C, C++, and Lisp compilers. Nowadays, of course, I can get gcc and sbcl free for my Linux box.

      Kids these days. Get off my lawn.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  13. Sigh, another perl, PL/1, snobol, etc, etc by zJe · · Score: 2

    I suspect very few 12 year olds are going look at this. Wolfram may be genius but a usability expert he is not. The Wolfram Language, his name, looks like something a mathematician would come up... "Let's see I've used all the math symbols already so let's start using all the punctuation symbols to do other actions! And I can combine punctuation symbols for more actions so I don't have to type too much!"

    Where space is expensive, terseness is needed. Everywhere else it's the terseness that is expensive. Steep learning curve, expensive debugging (both logical and functional), and expensive mental context switches for people who want to be multi-lingual.

    On the other hand if it becomes a high demand language then those who master it will definitely have job security.

    1. Re:Sigh, another perl, PL/1, snobol, etc, etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APL_(programming_language)

    2. Re:Sigh, another perl, PL/1, snobol, etc, etc by DavidHumus · · Score: 1

      So,
            two plus three
      is much more readable than
            2+3
      ?

      Maybe if you never learned basic arithmetic.

      For those of us with limited short-term memory - which would be all of us - who have bothered to learn a notation, terseness allows us to hold more complex expressions in our working memory. Clearly you've never progressed beyond very simple thoughts.

  14. Accept that you had a knowledge Gap with grace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then use the fucking capital letters or tell those idiots to find a less confusing acronym.

    Or just accept, with a modicum of grace, that you were ignorant of something and needed to learn, and be grateful you now know, rather than shouting at (metaphorically speaking) the messenger and lambasting those who Did(tm) and created a free too for people to use.

  15. Convert code samples to octave by fplatten · · Score: 1

    It's a nice looking book, but I'd like to convert all the code samples to octave, especially the ML.

    Wolfram: Plus[3,7]
    octave: sum([3,7])

    I'll always hate Uppercase functions. Unless that's supposed to be some kind of class constructor.

  16. No thanks by ajyand · · Score: 1

    No thanks dear Mr. Wolfram. I'm happy with Python and Sage.

  17. Re:Stephen Wolfram's greatest talent is to copy AP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As I read through the book, it is clear that Wolfram language is a keyword based derivative of the APL language created by Kenneth Iverson. What is old will be new again. Wolfram has super nice graphing and otherdata features but is fundamentally a functional array language that implements most of APL's arrray functions and operators. I like Wolfram langauge because I am a huge proponent of the APL language having written a commercial APL compiler with integrated distributed computing platform called NCL for Native Cloud Systems.
    I don't think the book is for kids, but is a nice reference folks looking to hack together a quick app or prototype.
    Wolfram gets a thumbs up from me.