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Why Governments Lie About Encryption Backdoors (vortex.com)
Lauren Weinstein says there are smart people in government, "who fully understand the technical realities of modern strong encryption systems and how backdoors would catastrophically weaken them," but asks So why do they continue to argue for these backdoor mechanisms, now more loudly than ever? The answer appears to be that they're lying to us. Or if lying seems like too strong a word, we could alternatively say they're being 'incredibly disingenuous' in their arguments. You don't need to be a computer scientist to follow the logic of how we reach this unfortunate and frankly disheartening determination regarding governments' invocation of terrorism as an excuse for demanding crypto backdoors for authorities' use.
I don't understand why people believe a single word from the (US) government. Every time, on nearly every topic but especially security / military, what they say turns out to be not true.
The government simply got used to being able to see everything at all times. Now that we can create blind spots, they are paranoid and lashing out.
Good-bye
demanding crypto backdoors for authorities' use is an excuse for the invocation of terrorism.
#BOOM
It's because so much bad has happened in the past that they have to "protect" from repeat situations.
It's pathetic that they just can't say that.
smart people aren't in government. smart people don't need to beg the public for votes to get a paycheck.
For the government, truth and falsehood are of no concern. It's not meaningful to talk about whether it lies or not, because the government has nothing to do with truth. It has everything to do with but a simulation of truth, and the simulation is not there to hide a lie, but to hide the fact that there is nothing to simulate.
We've read the "Government does this, the Government doesn't do what it should, and the Government is corrupted etc." so many times it becomes both tiring and old, especially since most of it is just us - the people - voicing our opinions about things we've "heard" about, and even if it was true - we do basically NOTHING about it...but talk.
That said...even if you elected someone else - the power of knowledge is too tempting for ANYONE to resist. Therefore the way is OPEN SOURCE all the way. The safest way is actually no secrets in any source or any software, keep everything open - and then no one will be able to put in back doors or abuse bugs that are unknown as everyone will be able to peek inside and help fixing it.
What we need to do is to stop this endless paranoid game of "who do you trust?" and start producing results and solutions. We can do this together...the "gorberment" can't do anything about it, if anything - they should keep to what they do best (whatever that is) and leave the technology to enthusiasts like us, WE - the people - will pretty much make sure your privacy is safe because we'll all end up using open source software.
The only thing "goberment" is achieving with this crazy "who do you trust?" game is making sure would-be terrorist keep digging a deeper hole to hide in and grow a HUGE database of every persons private lives - kept - for their interpretation, with the kind of knowledge and power NO man should hold.
What you do with your computer or in your home - isn't government business no matter what the cause is. If you don't have the freedom to think freely, voice your opinions at will - then you don't have any freedoms at all.
Now, if they ever outlaw open source, then we'll be in trouble (or rather - they will).
What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
The measures are so absurd because they want the counter solution when we object to seem reasonable to the masses. If we don't agree with either solution we'll be paraded as being unreasonable. They use terrorism as the reason, but the real agenda is quite different. For instance the real agenda might be to get congress to pass legislation that'll require users to surrender there encryption keys upon request. The UK already has such legislation. Just because they say they are targeting terrorism doesn't mean they actually are. It's more likely that they're aiming for complete and utter control over the tiny handful of scenarios where they don't have it now in criminal cases. Crimes not necessarily being where actual laws were broken, but rather people in places of power are upset. So for instance had Ross Ulbricht done a better job protecting his system and upon entry the computers power was cut then they'd not be at a loss for evidence as they could just force him to reveal said password. Ross Ulbricht's Silk Road Market Place irritated people in power. Why? Maybe those senators had a political motive or connections to drug kingpins who Ross Ulbricht was competing with (and those kingpins might not have had the technical tools to target Ross Ulbricht directly).
Why Governments Lie About Encryption Backdoors
The sole purpose of government is to create more government and individuals within that government are only interested in increasing their own personal power over others. They see their own citizens as enemies of these goals, to be crushed under boot heel.
Words to remember from James Burke:
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing (Attributed, but disputed).
The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion (Speech at a County Meeting of Buckinghamshire (1784))
Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe (Letter to M. de Menonville (October 1789)).
Neither the few nor the many have a right to act merely by their will, in any matter connected with duty, trust, engagement, or obligation ( Appeal from the New Whigs to the Old (1791)).
Evils we have had continually calling for reformation, and reformations more grievous than any evils.
There are many more apporiate to the current state of American politics, look them up on wikiquotes. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Edmund_Burke
Serious question here......how would that work from a technical perspective?
Presumably they want to have a "master key" that would unencrypt any iPhone drive, but each user has to have their own unique key, as well. What kind of encryption algorithm lets either of two keys unencrypt something?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Because the smart people don't drive the commentary, they just stand there in the background face-palming them selves.
Honestly government isn't any different from enterprise:
The Techs & Scientists give management a clear answer on a subject, stipulating all the factors and issues with a stance that the boss is taking, providing alternate approaches & data that shows what they want is irrelevant anyway.
The PHB doesn't like what he's hearing so just goes out and says what he thinks, regardless of the facts. "Well that's what I've promised the client, so you'll have to deliver"
Do you think that politicians & leaders in the "security" services are any different ?
In the old days, you could attack one thing. You could defend one thing. But, that doesn't map well to the internet. Now, we all talk to each other. We all use the same methods of defense. When one actor attacks another, the attack is exposed, analyzed, and re-used. Now, when somebody attacks, they increase the cost of defense for everybody. When somebody comes up with improved defense, we all learn how to increase the cost of attack for everybody.
For over a decade, several branches of the US government have focused almost all their energy on attacking others across the internet. The result is an internet where compromise and breach are daily events. Somehow, our protectors don't see that they are crafting the tools of our demise and handing them to our enemies. If we are honest, we are more to blame for the great compromise at the OPM than our attackers. If we had spent the last decade on creating and encouraging defense, then breach would be difficult and rare.
Now, our governments are blindly following the tradition of attack. They wish to attack the protocols we use to determine identity and create security. They don't see or care that everybody else will do likewise. They don't see the great devastation that will follow.
is going on at the beginning of this thread? Aka, the skin job who can't talk rationally.
Then only criminals will have guns and encryption.
The logic is absolutely inescapable with these scenarios: The US government is working with criminals and will thus help them to succeed.
Criminal gangs can get their hands on various encryption programs. Backdoors on hardware won't make a damn worth of difference.
Governments lie about needing encryption back doors precisely because they don't need them.
lying is actually a form of psychological warfare. they're seriously doing as they please, baking the record, and hiding everything so the public cannot react or defend itself.
psyops are what are called 'world view warfare' - they attempt to control every aspect of the world as others see it.
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The late Ben Bradlee of the Washington Post has recalled: ... [documented] hidden away in the Pentagon Papers..."
"I guess it started for me with Vietnam, when the establishment felt it had to lie to justify a policy that, as it turned out, was never going to work
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
It seems to me we (the electorate) keep sending the people who are best at it, because they keep telling us what we want to hear, back in.
Posting off-topic BS that anyone who can do so mods down by reflex seems more like the real FAIL.
Keep asking the encryption question and you'll find out how far away from a democracy we've drifted. And when our government gives up with the b.s. stories and lays down the law, they'll do it with armed troops.
Have gnu, will travel.
The simple truth is that while unbreakable encryption is out there in the form of books or papers with the math, most people -- bad guys included -- are lazy and just going to use what the simple, convenient stuff. (The back-doored stuff.)
They fall into the trap of thinking "there are so many people using Facebook chat, the authorities will never find MY stuff in all that noise". In many cases they end up using simple code-book substitution and trivial code names. Instead of Abdul al-Hazred, they'll use "Mr. White". Instead of the Twin Towers they'll use "Faculty of Commerce". They think they're being clever because THEY would never catch this stuff.
I've had this argument with gov't lawyers and it boiled down to me saying "but this is trivial to bypass -- smart bad guys would just use X", and them responding "yeah, but we'll catch the stupid ones and there are a TON of those".
Anyone who has studied the history of crypto knows it is damn near impossible to get it right every last time, much less develop it without bugs. Even WITH source code samples, algorithms and coding skills people who have been doing this for a lifetime screw it up. Thus, "the horse has escaped the barn" isn't really an honest argument. That horse is going to trip of its own volition fairly quickly.
The popular cryptographer and author Bruce Schneier in his blog recalled a conversation with fellow crypto expert Matt Blaze of the University of Pennsylvania, who said the publication of the Snowden documents would begin a âoenew dark age of cryptography, as people abandon good algorithms and software for snake oil of their own devising.â
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
One possible explanation is that the government already has all the access they need. Asking for, and failing to get approval for, backdoors in software and encryption systems is just a farce to give us a false sense of security.
APK 2016!!!
Nigga you crazy
"Despite any firm evidence to suggest that the terrorist attackers... used strong encryption..." OK, Laura, go back to school: "Despite THE LACK of any form evidence...."
because its what they always do and because a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth
Finally because of dumb fucking Americans.
Misdirection. Legerdemain. The "backdoors" are already there. The encryption is already broken. The network is already hacked.
(1) Aldrich Ames;
(2) Kim Philby;
(3) J. Edgar Hoover; and
(4) the State of Alabama (NAACP v. Button).
Sooner or later the Supreme Court is going to revisit the Fourth Amendment as it relates to wireless communications. Perhaps the feds are trying to shape the course of public opinion in this regard.
Because to work in government, the primary qualification you need is to be a complete psychopath.
Sure, you can say you want corps rather than gov to run your life.. but really, I'd rather have gov. for all it's issues, it *is* subject to constitutional restrictions, which corps are not.
In fact, the US government has been pretty straightforward about what they want, which is a backdoor into encryption, and they have admitted that this will weaken security and put millions of Americans at greater risk of identity theft, fraud and hackers in general. They have been less willing to admit the possiblity of government abuses of such a backdoor, but if pressed they will probably concede that oversight is needed there too. Now, the US federal government argues that we should do this so that they can protect us from bad people and that whatever we give up in the way of privacy or protection against financial crimes is worth the trade off. Now, most of us here on Slashdot disagree strongly with that assertion and many of us are also skeptical that such a backdoor is even technically possible without rendering such compromised encryption essentially useless. However, I don't think that the government has lied about their position. They've laid out their position and I say again that I don't agree with it. However, that's not the same as the government lying about it. It's an important distinction to make.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG
"One of the weaknesses publicly identified was the potential of the algorithm to harbour a backdoor advantageous to the algorithm's designers—the United States government's National Security Agency (NSA)—and no-one else. In 2013, the New York Times reported that documents in their possession but never released to the public "appear to confirm" that the backdoor was real, and had been deliberately inserted by the NSA as part of the NSA's Bullrun decryption program."
Note, this encryption patent is owned by Blackberry, whose CEO admitted its phone is backdoored recently. His "lawful intercept capability", for governments that want to spy on your phone because your a terrorist. Or more likely some important politicians, or foreign government worker, or have company secrets for a company competing with the US... you know "lawful".
Every government on Earth, from Obama's Regime down to Kim Jung-Un, hates it's citizens.
However, Obama does think "suckling pig, aka 2 month old Caucasian, tastes really great with Soy and BBQ sauce grilled over open flame.
Obama say, "MMmmm! Now dat wa I likes!"
Ha ha
As Friedman said:
... that believes ad blockers are unethical.
And when someone call Lauren out on his absolute stupidity they get censored.
I never felt that the reason they gave, which was to catch the most dangerous terrorists, was ever a realistic goal... Whenever someone advocates this, it is either because they are simply too ignorant to realize the actual implications of what they are saying, or else it is because they (possibly sincerely) feel that the number of people who are too incompetent to be able to get away with committing crimes if encryption is not as readily available, but would otherwise be able to get away with committing them if they had easy access to strong encryption technologies is somehow a sizable portion of the people who commit crimes.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
theirs, not yours. Go into any Courthouse or Congress' own gallery, and you will be thoroughly screened. Your kid's school or a theater or a shopping mall they don't give a shit about.
Funneling people to a select group of 'secure' apps would actually be far more realistic then trying and failing to create backdoors and then some network of parsing spy programs because a backdoor alone isn't that useful. They can't even parse facebook effectively enough to stop terrorist using it, I think maybe they need to focus on the obvious first. The NSA and DoD only have tens of thousands of good information collectors at best and they are attempting to parse whole regions of the world. They are failing, even if they can collect and store all the info (which I don't think they can), they have very little clue what to do with it all and the consistent failures at preventing large scale terrorist attacks backs that claim up. Could we build in elaborate filtering into every major platform.. of course we could, but even at that point I suspect we'd prevent a small amount of terrorism for a very large trade off in privacy and security, one which would certainly eventually be exploited by government and/or hackers.
Simpler methods for catching terrorist work, such as luring them in electronically and even physically. You can stage well guarded events meant to anger radicals and then both wait for them to come and monitor changes in communication between known ppl of interest. It's not much more than old fashion detective work and in the big picture these guys are little more than mobsters, fueled by drugs, guns and easy money. Their terrorist acts abroad amount to little more than a speed bump in crime and death statistics in major nations. They do this to get publicity and fuel their drug trade and local militia power. It's not about large numbers of secret deadly terrorist cells in western nations, those simply don't exist in dangerous numbers and we can more or less ignore that tactic.
Where ISIS is effective is in these chaos stricken war zones that keep popping up around all of the liberated zones the US keeps creating. Them reaching out to occasionally attack targets at home is not where we want to fight them. Waiting for Europe to step up is the smart plan and it's working fine, they have more to lose than the US anyway since they are connected to Asia and close to Africa. Europe needs to take the lead role in securing this threat in Asia or I guess let Russia handle it on the cheap. Trying to lock down the communication to an entire nation is a joke anyway. Nothing you do is going to result in spies and terrorists not finding a way around getting a message into such a large target with immense amounts of trade and communication traffic. It's like trying to find a needle on a planet made of silver toothpicks.
The Bill of Rights recognizes that the government needs to be kept at arm's length, to be limited in its power. In the last few decades, we've been slowly giving more and more power to the government, sometimes in the name of "national security," (Patriot Act) sometimes in the name of "fairness for all" (Affordable Care Act). We've been taught to let the friendly folks at Washington take care of us. Now we're starting to see the dark side again. The government is saying, "Trust us with your data!"--either when they take it secretly (NSA/Snowden) or when they demand it publicly (backdoors). Maybe it's time for a digital Bill of Rights. The problem is, the government isn't just going to sit down and let go of the power they already have.
"Since the ruling class is usually safe from terrorists, and in bed with criminals, I’m guessing that “political opponents” will get the most spying."
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit...
For government, terrorism just makes them look bad - but political opposition can remove them from power. That's why encryption hysteria ALWAYS is about protecting government from the citizens. We need to stop electing lefty governmental flunkies like Clinton, Bush, and Obama, and start to reduce the size and power of government. The Democrats and the "mainstream" Republicans are in this together, against "We, the People". We need to elect small government conservatives and Libertarians, not communists, socialists and progressives.
no it is safe to say that you are a fucking lunatic
take your fucking meds or stop drinking
that has nothing to do with fucking encryption you shitbag
stop spamming the fucking board with your retarded shit or someone's going to send more than a postcard next time - how's your mom going to feel when you get a package full of elephant shit or someone shows up at your house to sit outside playing ads all day
go the fuck away and return when you can have an adult conversation fuckstick
your mother should have stopped letting her father fuck her or at least have made him pull out instead of finishing inside her
maybe it is not too late for fucking abortion
had your afterbirth lived it probably would have been a better human being and a better programmer - it sure as fuck wouldn't have been a spammer and the world would be better off because of it
you and everything you have ever done is a fucking pox on humanity fuckface
take your shit app and spam and go fucking play in a fucking fire pit - seriously, stop with the spam you fucking demented fucking piece of shit lunatic you are a waste of oxygen and need to fucking die so your mom can finally have some piece of mind and your neighbors can finally let their pets out at night without fear of you molesting them or their children
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you are a copycat wanna be punk who is demented and irrelevant, shit you even plagiarized half the shit you tell people including your little 'tweak guide.' what, did you think we'd forget loser? no, we know who you are alex, you're a know-nothing punk. if i had a dog as ugly as you, i'd shave his ass and make him walk backwards if you were my kid, i'd be in prison for murder because i'd not let my fucking crotchfruit pollute the world with their fucking idiocy
you have done nothing, you are nothing, you never will be anything. you're a little copyright infringing punk who wasn't smart enough to figure out how to tweak and tried to copy someone else's work - it's all there online alex, those cache files never go away
we remember you, we know who you are, and we can get to you again punk you're nothing but a mouth and a fucking whiny one at that you little uneducated thief
no go cry, go post another complaint to the folks here at this site, go complain about the mean man who hurt your feelings online to another isp shitbag. you're a fucking liar, a thief, and an idiot. don't tell us, you'll try the sockpuppet thing again pretending to be someone who is supporting your ideas and malware. fucking punk ass bitch
no, he is fucking retarded - crazy people have a chance at getting well and this shitstick is bound and determined to 'win' something because he was sexually abused as a child
Poor little butt-hurt AlecStaar. You modded me down with one of your sockpuppets. I really hope that made you feel better. Idiot.
This is what blows my mind. Everyone knows the Gov lies 95% of the time. But then when ever they are on a Jury (federal), they side with the Gov 95% of the time.
Corporations can exclude you, as owner, as vendor, as employee, as customer and as third-party.
Corporations have absolutely NO accountability, and can dissappear in a puff of smoke together with the bulk of the money.
The environmental and health impacts stay forever.
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you sound just like apk
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The people who ask questions like this are the disingenuous ones: they too must be smart and they too must understand that the smart people in government - yes, they're there, in fact, they meet them at conferences and stuff - are in no position to seek out the news-media like that. And they too must understand that people have jobs that include assignments and not meeting them can mean that you get fired. People in governments have jobs to do. Some of those do it in front of cameras, others in front of computer monitors. They aren't the same jobs. To act like you don't understand this difference, is to pervert the discussion. Purposely. I'm firmly in favor of strong encryption, but articles like this don't help the cause.
Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
Uh, replaced by who again? I'd like to meet this entity, rather than just reference the John Lennon LSD version. Or, do I need LSD first?
As long as humans are involved, it will have some degree of corruption. I'd wager a lot on that. The only way to rid all corruption would be extreme inspections by informed citizens, which is time consuming and unrealistic. The cost of inspections grows greater than the cost of corruption. It's like an immune system so large it turns its owner into a slow useless blob.
Table-ized A.I.
It is opinion.
I do not claim it is wrong.
I am not denigrating the author.
It is, however, just an opinion published on someone's blog. Hence the disclaimer (if you read all the way to the bottom.)
Slashdot is supposed to publish news for nerds, and this is not that.
Never trust a man in a blue trench coat, Never drive a car when you're dead
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P.S.=> YOU by way of comparison RESORT TO BOGUS ABUSED DOWNMODS TO VAINLY ATTEMPT TO "HIDE" THIS TWICE NOW ALREADY http://politics.slashdot.org/c... & http://politics.slashdot.org/c... ... apk
Funny all you have is abused downmods and evasion against being called out Mr. Weinstein.
Funny all you have is abused downmods and evasion against being called out Mr. Weinstein. Typical Juden tactics.
Funny all you have is abused downmods and evasion against being called out Mr. Weinstein!
All you have is abused downmods and evasion against being called out Mr. Weinstein.
All you have is abused downmods and evasion against being called out Mr. Weinstein. Thinking's no strong suit of yours.
All you have's abused downmods, illogical ad hominem attacks and evasion against being called out Mr. Weinstein.
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As far as Lauren Weinstein "technologist" (wtf is THAT?) is concerned, I was waiting for something from him to do this here http://politics.slashdot.org/c... and the "best he's got" is evasions, downmods, or illogical ad hominem attacks vs. it, lol...
* :)
(I hate PUPPETS OF BIG MONEY & he is one, no questions asked - read the crap I quoted from him there, & then you can ask WHY I wrote what I did in that link just above from another post of mine here...)
R O T F L M A O:
ALL HE HAS IS EVASION, ILLOGICAL OFF-TOPIC AD HOMINEM ATTACKS & BOGUS DOWNMODS vs. a FAIR CHALLENGE I PUT TO HIM vs. WHAT I QUOTE FROM HIM http://politics.slashdot.org/c... & http://politics.slashdot.org/c...
APK
P.S.=> I'd LOVE for him to debate me on what's in the link I just put up to my post here - what I have "waiting in the wings" ontop of it will CRUSH his sorry (what I suspect is he's paid off by advertisers to have written what he did) ass... apk
All you have is illogical ad hominem attacks, evasion, and abused downmods vs. apk's fair challenge to you Mr. Weinstein.
Because government workers don't give a shit when their laws and regulations fuck over the common man who under threat of force must pay the government workers wages
http://www.mindspring.com/~intheaggregate/Why%20Tell%20the%20Truth%20when%20a%20Lie%20will%20Suffice.htm
They want to be able to harvest all the information they can. Then if they find something embarrassing in your data, they can leverage you whichever way they want. Also see "Enemy of the State" with Wil Smith.
The first that springs to mind is: "Conspiracy theorists of the world unite".
There's another dimension to this story, which gets lost in the critically important discussion regarding privacy, but it's money.
If a government got their way and were able to impose the types of control that is now being argued for, it would require a vast amount of new infrastructure to be developed. For example, there would need to be a key escrow system; there would need to be the means of storing all data being transmitted between citizens, there would need to be vastly more money spent on all of this.
Populations across the Western World have - entirely rightly - reached the point of "No More! Not In My Name!" with respect to on-going armed conflict [another very effective way of shifting vast amounts of money from the public purse to the private pockets [of a few]. A shawdowy, unknown threat that is so pervasive that everything done to counter it must be kept secret is an absolutely perfect scenario for spending vast amounts of money on "something". This "spending" is one of the key elements in western [I guess capitalist] society - the government [at the top] takes money in taxes. It then spends that money buy buying things to stimulate the economy and generate more productivity that in turn raises more taxes...
Maybe - this is just a thought - what we're seeing here is a shift in strategy away from spending government trillions on the munitions side of the military-industrial complex and towards spending it on information technology.
Some will ask: "Well, if this is the purpose, why not invest in science, medicine, technology, space exploration?" Two thoughts: Kennedy tried that and the results were not as successful as some hoped; but also, investment made in a technology and apparatus that *strengthens* the control of government will always be most appealing to the decision-makers. As others have [correctly] pointed out, all of what is being discussed services to weaken the citizen and strengthen the state - not always a good thing. I'm also reminded [and sorry, can't find the reference] of a story reported from the Snowden files. IIRC, there was an email from 2 [Booze Allen] employees, discussing a proposal being put to the NSA. One was saying something to the effect, "Look, even if we can find a way to complete the technical build so that we harvest all this data, there is *no way* anyone is going to sift through it and find something of value!" to which the reply was something to the effect, "Look, it doesn't matter - let them make the decision. Our job is to give them a proposal and, if they take it, sell them whatever they ask for..." Now, if anything like that is even partially representative of what has happened [or is happening] then it may help to explain why governments are so keen to roll out so much more technology... Or is this entirely wrong?
"The Law" does not apply because a law is only effective if you have someone who can dispense punishment or gives the "fear of god" to the person who is willing to test the limits (parent v.s. child) but in this case who is the "boss" of the "government" people may say that the general public is the "boss" but the public only has the ability to forfeit power every 2 to 4 years depending on the "post" held by the "offical" and there are even "untouchable" staff that are not elected so they fear nothing really... so in truth that's why the government has the ability to do what it wants also the courts are really a reactive "clean up the mess" after the fact and has no direct effect on who is "in power" (they can't be removed from power by the court). am i even close to the right train of thought?
Yeah but they don't catch anyone and especially not the big fish.
Funny how you pretend to be a bunch of different ACs, while you imagine that a bunch of different ACs are all one person. Looks like an EPIC APK FAIL to me.
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Take your meds idiot. You're posting ac too. "Everyone is APK" paranoid boy!
Every ac post is apk according to paranoid boy over here http://politics.slashdot.org/c... and that means you too!
"Or if lying seems like too strong a word," Nope. It's lying and anyone with any minimal level of brain activity knows it. It's just that lying has no consequences anymore. The 4th estate has abandoned it's duty and hence left the government to run amok. It's sick.
From the article:
So it seems clear that the real reason for the government push for encryption backdoors is an attempt not to catch the most dangerous terrorists that they're constantly talking about, but rather a selection of "low-hanging fruit" of various sorts: Inept would-be low-level terrorists [...]
Yes, this is exactly who the government wants to get to -- inept low-level terrorists who aren't knowledgable or trained enough to consistently use secure/ISIS approved software and instead use the standard communications software that came with their cell phone or computer, because that's what is convenient and familiar to them.
And that isn't nothing, given that one of the big threats is "self-radicalizing individuals" who by definition won't be be elite ISIS commandos but rather otherwise-regular people who decided one day to prepare and commit an atrocity.
While I don't think mandating a government back door to all encrypted communications is a viable solution, let's not pretend the government doesn't have a valid use case here -- being able to monitor the communications of those people would give the government an opportunity to stop them before their big day.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Governments aren't afraid that people will realize they aren't necessary. That's silly, in fact.
They are interested in doing their own Big Data analysis so they can predict market trends in advance of public disclosures. It gives them the ability to execute insider trading and get away with it. Already politicians can do this, which is why non-millionaire politicians usually wind up multi-millionaires once their term of service is up. The back doors will allow them to get even richer.
It is absolutely about the money. A simple reflection on human nature will make this obvious.
they are employing the door in the face technique
You sound like you're looking in a mirror.
You're not fooling anybody but yourself, Alex.
The NSA doesn't have the manpower to hack every single iPhone out there. They would rather hack Apple's escrow keyserver and get all the data that way.
Every ac poster is apk. Even you.
They have failed to ever actually stop a crime they weren't complicit in. They certainly didn't stop the most recent one, even with all that knowledge they have been gathering....pop pop pop pop pop, people died from long ago radicalized Islamists who read green on the radar.
Not every AC post. Just the ones that follow a very familiar pattern.
You stole that idea from Zontar, back when you were following him around and accusing him of being a sockpuppet of BarabaraHudson.