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Leaded Gas, CFCs, and the Dark Side of Progress (hackaday.com)

szczys writes: Leaded Gas did a great job of keeping engines from knocking thanks to tetra-ethyl lead. Unfortunately the fumes from the chemical are highly poisonous. R-12 is a refrigerant that revolutionized the cold storage of vaccines. It turned out to be the first of the chlorofluorocarbons which are well known (and now banned) for damaging the environment. Both are the creations of one inventor: Thomas Migley, Jr. Two deadly inventions seem like more than enough for one person, but his story ends with a third. Stricken with Polio, he invented a system to help him get in and out of bed on his own. A tragic accident ended his life when he was caught and strangled by the system he created.

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  1. No need to read TFA by cruff · · Score: 2

    The summary covers all of the main points of the article, so you won't need to read TFA.

  2. The wikipedia has the quote by cfalcon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wikipedia has the most interesting quote about him in his article:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

    ' J. R. McNeill, an environmental historian, opines that Midgley "had more impact on the atmosphere than any other single organism in Earth's history." '

    Anyway, it's always been a bit of an unfair slam. Leaded gasoline only became an issue when the car number went from the 7.5 million that were around when TEL was being made, to the over 100 million that were around the time that leaded ramped down in the mid 70s. The miles driven per person were also way lower back then- because most people had to get around without a car, everything was set up for that. If you had it to do all over again, you'd probably STILL use leaded gasoline until about 1955 or so. However, at least everyone knew lead was bad for you back then- not so with Freon's very hard to verify environmental impact, which wasn't understood for a lot longer.

    1. Re:The wikipedia has the quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you had it to do all over again, you'd probably STILL use leaded gasoline until about 1955 or so.

      No, no, I wouldn't. There was a conference in 1925 about how dangerous it was. They came to the wrong conclusion.

    2. Re:The wikipedia has the quote by TWX · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Lead was only needed because the manufacturers did not want to do the metallurgy needed to make their engines work properly without it. The warning signs were all there right from the start- numerous scientists, laboratory technicians, and refinery workers died or were left with the effects of lead poisoning.

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    3. Re:The wikipedia has the quote by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Informative

      If I recall correctly, the signs of lead being dangerous were there, but like the cigarette industry decades later, the companies invested in leaded gasoline fought tooth and nail to keep everyone believing lead was harmless. They would actively try to discredit and defund anyone who said otherwise and put all their political weight towards squashing any legislation that might question their official platform.

      Obviously, they weren't ultimately successful is keeping "lead is dangerous" suppressed forever, but they did delay any action to mitigate the effects (and profited off said delay).

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    4. Re:The wikipedia has the quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      uhh, bullshit, the anti-knock agents are needed to get a reasonable efficiency out of the engine. See, engine efficiency is strongly affected by compression ratio, and the higher the compression ratio, the more likely the engine is to knock. Hence, high-performance car engines (not your sedan or pickup) need higher octane fuels. These, of course, have crap in them to retard the speed of the flame front, and at the time, TEL was the only commercially viable product. so then we got MTBE, which we also found out was pretty toxic. Now we've got amazingly high performance polymers that survive ethanol, though I just replaced a gas tank in a 20 year old car because the ethanol brought water in that corroded it. Ethanol will eventually be replaced when realize that burning food is a dumb idea, but I have no idea what will come next. However, all of these agents have been much better for the atmosphere then would have been not using them and pumping 20-30% more CO2 into the atmosphere.

    5. Re:The wikipedia has the quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      You recall correctly.

      The scientist who first noticed that lead from car pollution was actually contaminating the environment was smeared by car and gas companies. I think Cosmos has an episode about it.

    6. Re:The wikipedia has the quote by Brett+Buck · · Score: 2

      TEL was added to enhance the anti-knock characteristics, it had *absolutely nothing* to do with metallurgy. As it turned out, it worked as an effective solid lubricant but that was an aside.

            WWII may have been lost, or at least would have been greatly extended, if airplane engine performance was limited to fuels without TEL.

    7. Re:The wikipedia has the quote by cfalcon · · Score: 3, Informative

      > Can someone point to the anything in the environment today that still shows signs of damage from leaded gasoline?

      Depends- possibly people. There's a few competing theories as to why violent crime fell so sharply, and one of them has to do with the sudden lack of lead exposure, especially in places with high traffic and reasonably low ventilation- cities.

      Getting rid of leaded gasoline was a very needed and necessary thing- or rather, cutting it back dramatically was.

      When cars went from relatively uncommon to extremely common, increasing by an order of magnitude, at the same time that miles driven per person year went way up, the lead went from some kind of rounding error to a problem of moderate seriousness, and it probably still has some effects today. If it had been shitcanned in the 50s, that would probably have been averted, and by then engine tech had had enough time to progress too. But once it was enshrined in practice it took a long time to weed out, as the other comments have pointed out.

    8. Re:The wikipedia has the quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead#History_of_controversy_and_phase-out

      There are numerous citations in the first paragraph that you can follow and browse at your leisure.

    9. Re:The wikipedia has the quote by careysub · · Score: 4, Interesting

      citation needed.

      i have citations that say the opposite

      This in no way "says the opposite". In fact it reinforces the point that some people (like the good people at Amoco) chose a safer (and probably more costly) means of increasing the octane rating. The rest of the industry just kept pushing the cheap toxic lead solution.

      Interestingly as late as 1983 it was a personal priority for Reagan's first EPA head, Anne Gorsuch Burford, to try to remove all caps on lead content in gasoline, at at time that the evidence of harm was staggering.

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    10. Re:The wikipedia has the quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Cosmos did have almost an entire episode (or a big part of it) devoted to this. This guy was doing research on determining the age of rocks and ran into problems when he wanted to created a lead-free lab environment. One thing led to another and he figured out lead was everywhere because of the leaded gas. From there, he realized this thing was making us sick and fought a long hard fight to bring this to the public. His R&D was directly or indirectly funded by the oil industry which promptly pulled his funding. He was a poster child for following the data and designing great tests to make the data drive conclusive.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clair_Cameron_Patterson#Campaign_against_lead_poisoning

    11. Re:The wikipedia has the quote by Cramer · · Score: 2

      Ethanol is not "food". While the US may be wasting corn on it, most of the world isn't that stupid. (The US has "too much" corn, and can afford to be stupid with it.)

  3. Aviation Gas is still leaded by mdsolar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Small airports next to elementary schools are probably creating future violent criminals.

    1. Re:Aviation Gas is still leaded by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wrong. They use 100LL, for "low lead", which isn't really low at all. All standard small-engine aircraft use this fuel, unless it's some "experimental" aircraft with a Subaru automotive engine or something.

  4. Reagan Crime Wave caused by lead by mdsolar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The evidence is now very strong that leaded gasoline was responsible for much past violent crime. http://www.chicagotribune.com/...

    1. Re:Reagan Crime Wave caused by lead by amorsen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The vast majority of high quality correlations are also causations. Sometimes a common cause for both can confuse matters, but in the vast majority of cases you can trust a correlation to be a causation. This is not true if the correlation was either falsified or just not there in the first place, obviously. The causation can also go in the opposite direction of what you expect, but it seems unlikely that falling crime leads to the banning of leaded petrol.

      The correlation between phasing out leaded petrol and falling crime holds in many countries which banned lead at different times. It is highly unlikely that some other cause happened at the right time in all the countries.

      The causality itself is also quite uncontroversial: It is known that exposure to lead means lower average IQ, and lower average IQ means more violence.

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    2. Re:Reagan Crime Wave caused by lead by bhiestand · · Score: 2

      I'm not arguing the point (because I agree on this one), but your post reminded me of Spurious Correlations.

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    3. Re:Reagan Crime Wave caused by lead by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The vast majority of high quality correlations are also causations. Sometimes a common cause for both can confuse matters, but in the vast majority of cases you can trust a correlation to be a causation.

      That is ABSOLUTELY false.

      I mean, seriously -- just think about what you said for a minute. There is an insanely large number of possible datasets in the world. And if you can match up any dataset with any other dataset, you'll have a similarly insanely large number of high correlations that just happen by random chance.

      That vast majority of such "correlations" are absolutely meaningless.

      If we take your statement to be true, we'd have to conclude that most of the correlations "discovered" here are likely to be causal: US spending on science causes suicides by suffocation (or the reverse, r=0.9979), per capita margarine consumption causes variations in the divorce rate in Maine (r=0.9926), annual number of drownings by falling out of a fishing boat causes the marriage rate in Kentucky to go up and down (r=0.95), per capita consumption of mozzarella cheese causes more civil engineering doctorates to be awarded (r=0.96), etc., etc.

      The correlation between phasing out leaded petrol and falling crime holds in many countries which banned lead at different times. It is highly unlikely that some other cause happened at the right time in all the countries.

      See, now you're starting to get there. When we can track a correlation and match it up with the cause in time or using some other variable which influences both, the causality likelihood starts to increase.

      The causality itself is also quite uncontroversial: It is known that exposure to lead means lower average IQ, and lower average IQ means more violence.

      And now we get even further along -- the causality mechanism might actually make sense.

      I'm NOT arguing against this particular theory, by the way. I'm just pointing out that your assertion that the "vast majority" of "high quality" correlations imply causation is ridiculous. If you just allow any dataset to be matched with any other dataset in the world, the vast majority of correlations will be stupid random nonsense. That's the reason the "p-hacking" is a useless statistical practice that will inevitably result in false relationships.

      It's only when you start tracking other variables related to the correlation and establish likely causality through other reasonable mechanisms and data in other variables that you can start proving something.

  5. Is there a dark side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    to the improvement of life for millions of people? Tetraethyl lead is a small speedbump on the road to a bright future of advanced chemistry. The global car industry is a marvel. The tree huggers need to bugger off. What Henry Ford said one hundred years ago ring s truer than ever today.

    "I will build a motor car for the great multitude...constructed of the best materials, by the best men to be hired, after the simplest designs that modern engineering can devise...so low in price that no man making a good salary will be unable to own one-and enjoy with his family the blessing of hours of pleasure in God's great open spaces."

    Henry Ford.

    1. Re:Is there a dark side by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

      And thus, the Pinto was produced...

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  6. ah, scientists by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You should remember that Thomas Migley was foremost a scientist, and quite representative of the hubris and single-mindedness of scientists. When he advocated for the safety of leaded gasoline, he wasn't lying for financial gain, he was doing so because he believed it. The scientists protecting you from ozone holes or lead or snake oil are indistinguishable from the scientists that create the ozone holes or leaded gasoline in the first place, or the scientists that create better cancer treatments; it's only in hindsight that you know who was right.

    So, when scientists tell you how to live your life or tell you that the science is settled and you should just do what they tell you, just remember how this guy died: A tragic accident ended his life when he was caught and strangled by the system he created.

    1. Re:ah, scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Cautionary note here, kids - scientists and especially engineers (the applications guys) are in the business of pushing the envelope, so mistakes are inherent in the process. Whether it is building a longer bridge (Tacoma Narrows) or making a nonflammable refrigerant (CFCs), you take your best shot with what you know at the time. This includes coders, which is why we keep finding security holes in critical software systems. There is no solution, it's in the nature of the "progress" game, but we can try to be objective about finding faults and not hang onto dangerous technologies just because of ego.

    2. Re:ah, scientists by PPH · · Score: 2

      Back off, man. I'm a scientist.

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  7. Re:UnLeaded Gas by Gr8Apes · · Score: 5, Informative

    This article sparked the memory of wondering why we had to pay more for unleaded gas... Apparently it was expensive to remove the naturally occurring lead from the refined gasoline.

    because instead of lead, they had to add other chemicals to raise octane ratings to reduce knocking. Those chemicals cost more.

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  8. Re:JUSTICE by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sounds like Karma to me.

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  9. Re:Someone needs to invent this. by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

    They've already created sexbots, although the "indistinguishable from the real thing" might still be a bit of a problem. Most blonds I know can't pass a Turing test either!

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  10. Actually, if you read TFA.... by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...he was indeed lying for financial gain, because he was suffering from lead poison and was quite aware of it. What he honestly believed is impossible for us to know, but if honestly believed lead was harmless he was deliberately ignoring evidence to the contrary. The fact that some scientists mislead others (and perhaps themselves) out of love for money or their pet theories, doesn't mean all scientists behave the same way.

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  11. Re:"and no banned"? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    Oh, and you managed to spell his name wrong as well. It's Midgley, not Migley.

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  12. Re:JUSTICE by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wouldn't exactly call it justice when the organism arguably responsible for the most environmental damage ever seen on the planet died because he screwed up and accidentally strangled himself.

    Yea, but the question is, did he know any of that at the time those inventions were made?

    Did he have reason to know?

    If not, then you can't blame him for them, plenty of things were invented that way and then changed in the future. Lead paint is another example off the top of my head.

  13. Re:JUSTICE by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Where is the evidence that he was trying to make dangerous products?
    The common wisdom of the time, was the atmosphere was large enough and the biosphere diverse enough to clear up any toxins, and what men can do would only be a small effect.
    This idea was wrong, but it took a lot of science to show this effect.

    But if you want to vilify people for being part of their time... How much carbon are we polluting as part of these trivial posts?

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  14. Re:JUSTICE by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA:

    In 1924, General Motors was headed for a scandal. Although reports of sickness had been coming out of all three tetraethyl refineries, the story was concealed from the newspapers. But things came to a head at the TEL refinery in Bayway, New Jersey. Dozens of workers contracted lead poisoning from breathing the toxic vapors and became violently insane. Five men died within a short time and news coverage was unavoidable.

    Midgley stopped at nothing in trying to convince the public that his antiknock additive was safe. He would pour TEL additive onto his own hands and take deep breaths from the bottle in front of large audiences, all the while insisting that it was harmless and that repeated daily exposure was nothing to worry about. What the public didn’t know was that Midgley had recently spent six weeks in Florida, golfing in the sunshine in an attempt to clear his own lungs of lead particles.

    So, he might not have known from the very beginning, but he certainly knew early on and did his best to keep it quiet. That strikes me as knowing and willful.

  15. Re:JUSTICE by sjames · · Score: 2

    RTFA! He knew the stuff was dreadfully toxic and hushed it up so it could remain in production.

  16. Re:UnLeaded Gas by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    There were always alternatives, just that they were uneconomical. Petrol has always been a blend of products. You could run a car just fine on a single petrol component, but as is the usual with this sort of thing that single component was also the most expensive to make. Two key petrol components are often referred to as liquid gold in refining because their ideal properties allow refiners to fix any stuffed up petrol blend simply by adding more, and also because they are very costly to make; alkylate, and reformate. The first cat-reformer came online shortly after the war, the first alkylation unit came online long before, not long after TEL started becoming popular as a gasoline blend. But good things are always bad for you. Another great octane booster is benzine which is also now restricted.

  17. Re:UnLeaded Gas by Cramer · · Score: 2

    And/Or blends with more valuable (rare) distillates. TEL, MTBE, etc. are chemical hacks to prevent the lower grade compounds from igniting and burning as readily.

  18. There are oblivious and dangerous people - I was by nomentanus · · Score: 2

    I knew a man like this - a boss of mine at a summer job - who was oblivious to safety concerns whether that meant ancient gas stoves he cavalierly over-rode the safety valves on, canoes, or anything else (he was an avid tinkerer and jerry-rigger, but in his case not truly inventive.) He was more than a bit of a bully in everything, and felt certain he could bully nature, too. I left that summer job glad to still have my skin (after one very close call in one of his boats.) Just a couple years later I read that he had managed to kill both himself and his grown daughter on a ski slope, going where he was clearly warned he shouldn't go (but he knew better.) Believe me, when I read that news story, I didn't say "Gosh, that was a freak accident."

    Nature bullied back, in the end.

    As for myself, my inventions and clever thoughts have only killed one person, that I know of. (It was years before - looking back - I realized what had caused his death: the incident above happened in between.) One can't always avoid unintended consequences, but one can have more forethought than Midgley, I or my late boss did! Please do. Software kills, too, in many ways - the recent change to Facebook's notification algorithm broke many medical support groups on FB, making it much harder for people to get help quickly or reliably, and hasn't been fixed.

  19. Re:MTBE by Ranbot · · Score: 3, Informative

    So I am an environmental consultant who deals with contamination like this. I'm not completely disagreeing with you, but like many things, it's complicated. Here are a few other facts that should be in the discussion about MTBE:

    1) The reason MTBE was mandated by the federal gov't (not just CA) was that it did significantly reduce tailpipe emissions, which had a real benefit to human health and air quality. (Now ethanol has replaced MTBE to serve the same function, again by federal mandate)
    2) Risks associated with groundwater contamination were not as well understood then as they are now, so we can only place blame on MTBE and the regulators who mandated it with the benefit of hindsight.*
    3) MTBE got lots of press, but there are other compounds in gasoline with much higher toxicity and are more persistent in soils and groundwater (benzene, ethylbenzene, naphthalene, and tri-methylbenzenes to give a few examples).
    4) The vast majority of MTBE [and gasoline contamination in general] was from leaky, old, poorly constructed/maintained underground tank systems that prior to the mid-90's had little to no regulations or industry standards. By the end of the 90's essentially all registered underground storage tanks across the country were replaced or upgraded to comply with new federal standards to make them much more reliable (like double-walled tanks, leak detection systems, corrosion resistance, maintenance standards, electronic monitoring, and more). The federal mandate to replace MTBE with ethanol came about a decade after the country had upgraded the tank systems, so the actual of risk MTBE contamination to groundwater at that time was very low; most contamination of MTBE had happened many years prior.
    5) Since the federal mandate to replace MTBE with ethanol the number of nationwide reported leaks from tank systems has spiked because ethanol, unlike MTBE, is very corrosive and degrades tank systems faster, which goes back to point #3 that there are worse compounds in gasoline to worry about. The silver-lining is the new tanks systems are much better at quickly identifying when a leak occurs, significantly reducing the volume of gasoline leaked before it is corrected.

    *- Keep in mind the EPA didn't even exist until 1970 and politicians/laws typically lag 5-10 years behind the science. So, it wasn't until around 1990 that our understanding of contamination and environmental regulations started to have any significant impact on how businesses/polluters operated. Relative to many other STEM fields, environmental science is very young and the changes in our understanding of contamination, risk, and regulations over the past couple decades cannot be understated.