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British Court Rejects Donald Trump's Attempt To Block Wind Farm (nytimes.com)

HughPickens.com writes: Sewell Chan reports at the NYT that Britain's highest court has unanimously rejected an attempt by Donald J. Trump to block the construction of a wind farm near his luxury golf resort in northeast Scotland. Trump has vowed to stop further development on the project if the offshore wind farm — 11 turbines, which would be visible from the golf resort 2.2 miles away — goes forward. Trump spokesman George A. Sorial denounced the ruling as "extremely unfortunate for the residents of Aberdeen and anyone who cares about Scotland's economic future" adding that the wind farm will "completely destroy the bucolic Aberdeen Bay and cast a terrible shadow upon the future of tourism for the area. History will judge those involved unfavorably, and the outcome demonstrates the foolish, small-minded and parochial mentality which dominates the current Scottish government's dangerous experiment with wind energy."

Nicola Sturgeon, first minister of Scotland, withdrew Trump's status as a business ambassador to Scotland last week after Trump called for Muslims to be barred from entering the United States. Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen has stripped Mr. Trump of an honorary degree it awarded him in 2010. Trump's mother was born in Scotland and moved to the United States in the 1930s. " I think I do feel Scottish," said Trump at one time.

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  1. Cancel the wind farm .. by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    .. or there will be hell toupee.

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  2. you have to question... by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen has stripped Mr. Trump of an honorary degree it awarded him in 2010

    You kind of have to question why they awarded it in the first place.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  3. So, Trump failed where the Kennedys succeeded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wind Farm? Not Off My Back Porch

    But another obstacle is a political heavyweight with a famous name, a local Cape Cod address and hardline opposition to the project.

    U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy's primary residence is in Hyannisport, Mass., on the Kennedy family compound. It's one of the closest landfalls -- about 6 miles -- from the proposed site of the 440-feet turbines, which would be visible from his house as well as other surrounding coastlines.

    In all fairness, Kennedy's aides were probably afraid he'd try to drive over to the windmills out at sea.

  4. Hmmm... by raftpeople · · Score: 5, Funny

    A blow hard is trying to stop a wind farm?

  5. Re:Wow... by BatGnat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why do people make unfounded comments like this!! There is no proof that it is a cat, or that it is dead.

    My theory is that it is the "thing" on his head is making the decisions....

  6. Re:Did you say "fascist"? (Re:Hypocrisy) by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Could you cite the particular examples of fascist statements made by Donald Trump — and explain, why you feel so about them?

    OK, let's start with the most recent.

    ""We're losing a lot of people because of the Internet. We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people."

    The verification of that quote is in this video:

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/0...

    And here is the definition of Fasicism, from history Professor Emeritus Robert O. Paxton of Columbia University:

    “Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a massed-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.”

    My explanation as to why I "feel" this statement is Fascism is not required. My feelings on the subject don't matter because this (and many other) statements from Donald Trump and the behavior of his followers perfectly fit the definition.

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  7. Re:It's all fun a games until someone.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Truth is no one in Scotland (including me) wanted his dam golf course. He abused legislation and land laws to force out well established and productive farms to build the thing. And despite the PR it brings almost nothing to the local economy and very little to the Scottish economy (come on its only a single golf course and luxury hotel.. we have 100s of them - all with more history, a few even older than the USA). The only reason he got to build it was because the locals couldn't afford the lawyers to fight and he bribed a few politicians. Its sweat justice that they are now going to 'spoil his view'

  8. Re:Trump by blagger99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems like you are under the illusion that Trump is something other than a catchphrase spouting blowhard racist 1%er who doesn't give a shit about anyone or anything but Trump. Renewable energy is important, Trumps view from his golf course isn't.

  9. Huh? by GodelEscherBlecch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look I'll grant you that every media outlet has a narrative whether they are trying to or not (hint though: the left's isn't the only one).

    But seriously, with Trump, what is there to filter? Where is the missing narrative of the time he proposed a policy that made any goddamn sense whatsoever (another hint: yelling at somebody you don't like is not a policy)? I mean, there are people with whom I strongly disagree on how implement solutions (i.e. Cheney: I hate you but you are a clever sumbitch), and then there are complete lunatics brimming with extreme personality disorders proposing things that make a bridge to the moon sound sane.

    Please tell me, what did I miss? I would honestly like to know what actual action Trump has proposed that you (or anybody) thought was appropriate, feasible and constitutional?

  10. Re:Hypocrisy by jc42 · · Score: 5, Informative

    My first impression of the windswept bucolic views of Scotland is,

    "Why aren't there any fucking trees?"

    Was Alba always barren of flora or did cutting down the forests in ancient times for firewood change the landscape forever into eroded coastal dunes where nothing will grow?

    Actually, it's a long, complex story. 1000 or so years ago, Scotland was mostly forested. At the other end, the Highland Clearances in the 1700s and 1800s didn't just force most of the people out; the major intent was to clear the land for sheep farming, which had become a good income source for the landowners with the development of modern cloth-production techniques. This led to the conversion of most of the countryside to grazing land, eliminating most of the remaining trees.

    But that was merely the last blow. Before that, the forests had been heavily mined for wood for shipbuilding, and for producing charcoal to power the growing factories.

    It didn't help that Scotland (and Ireland) was on the edge of the tree-supporting area, with the tree line roughly along the northwestern coasts. This meant that the forests were naturally rather slow-growing, and the tree species weren't the largest. So it was easy to over-harvest them if there was any sort of profit from the wood or a more profitable use of a tree-free land area.

    Do a bit of googling; you can find lots of info on the history scattered around the internet. Similar things also happened in Scandiavia, so you might look for histories of forestry there as well. But the people there were mostly along the coastlines, and the center had much taller mountains, so the forests survived a lot better than in the British Isles.

    The summary is that the treeless scenery of much of Scotland isn't at all natural; it's directly attributed to human "management" of the land. There's plenty of evidence that it would have been mostly forest without its human population, at least for the past 5000 or more years as the last Ice Age slowly faded out..

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  11. Re:History? Really? by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think if history judges the presence of this wind farm unfavorably, they can, you know, just tear it down.

    Structures built in/on the ocean aren't typically torn down. The metal superstructure would either be dismanntled and sold for scrap, or just dumped into the nearby sea if the scrap value isn't high enough. The concrete foundations would either remain, or if they're judged to be a hazard to shipping they'd be blasted into small pieces and left in the sea. I'm not sure what would happen to the fiberglass blades. They're not typically recyclable, but aren't heavy enough to sink and form an artificial reef. So they'd probably have to be transported back to shore and buried in a landfill.

    It seems much easier to undo the damage of a wind farm than it does, say, a coal plant.

    Yes the damage from the coal ash and exhaust makes it pretty much the worst possible choice for power. However, for an equivalent MWe of generation capacity, the amount of steel and concrete needed to construct wind turbines is about 5x more than for a coal plant, an order of magnitude more than for a nuclear plant, and two orders of magnitude more than needed for a gas plant.

    Wind is even worse if you compare based on the actual amount of electricity generated, since wind has about half the capacity factor of coal and gas, and nearly 1/4th that of nuclear. (Capacity factor is what fraction of the plant's generating capacity is actually fulfilled on average over a year of operation. Wind is around 0.25, coal and gas about 0.4-0.6, nuclear around 0.9.)

    Note: I don't oppose wind. I actually support it, as its cost has come down enough that it's starting to become cost-competitive with nuclear and coal. I just try to counter the misinformation put out there by the unicorn and rainbows crowd who've convinced the public that wind, solar, and hydro have no drawbacks. Every power source has drawbacks, and picking the right one requires an honest and thorough comparison of all the real advantages and drawbacks.

  12. Re:Wow... by GodelEscherBlecch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "free" stuff

    You say it like it's cigarettes and beer. It's fucking health care and financial assistance programs for people (you know, humans like you and I), and the transition of some of our tax burden to the mega corporations that currently pay jack shit. Disagree with the programs if you want, but don't be the disingenuous prick who reduces the whole thing to your idiot fiction of a black Friday mob of welfare mothers.

  13. Re:Trump by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wind power production has MORE than lived up to the hype. It's the single fastest growing power source by a WIDE margin precisely because it's been so phenomenally successful and the turbines trump is opposed to are some of the most productive in the world (coastal turbines in Scotland and the north sea are under wind damn near 100% of the time). Turbines are so cost effective up there (even with the cost of sinking foundation into deep water) because the wind never stops blowing and it blows with enough force that the turbines are almost always at maximum spin efficiency.

    Coastal wind power is so effective that Denmark gets nearly 60% of their power from it and Scotland could EASILY be an exporter of power to the rest of the UK if they fully built out their wind resources.