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British Court Rejects Donald Trump's Attempt To Block Wind Farm (nytimes.com)
HughPickens.com writes: Sewell Chan reports at the NYT that Britain's highest court has unanimously rejected an attempt by Donald J. Trump to block the construction of a wind farm near his luxury golf resort in northeast Scotland. Trump has vowed to stop further development on the project if the offshore wind farm — 11 turbines, which would be visible from the golf resort 2.2 miles away — goes forward. Trump spokesman George A. Sorial denounced the ruling as "extremely unfortunate for the residents of Aberdeen and anyone who cares about Scotland's economic future" adding that the wind farm will "completely destroy the bucolic Aberdeen Bay and cast a terrible shadow upon the future of tourism for the area. History will judge those involved unfavorably, and the outcome demonstrates the foolish, small-minded and parochial mentality which dominates the current Scottish government's dangerous experiment with wind energy."
Nicola Sturgeon, first minister of Scotland, withdrew Trump's status as a business ambassador to Scotland last week after Trump called for Muslims to be barred from entering the United States. Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen has stripped Mr. Trump of an honorary degree it awarded him in 2010. Trump's mother was born in Scotland and moved to the United States in the 1930s. " I think I do feel Scottish," said Trump at one time.
Nicola Sturgeon, first minister of Scotland, withdrew Trump's status as a business ambassador to Scotland last week after Trump called for Muslims to be barred from entering the United States. Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen has stripped Mr. Trump of an honorary degree it awarded him in 2010. Trump's mother was born in Scotland and moved to the United States in the 1930s. " I think I do feel Scottish," said Trump at one time.
I think if history judges the presence of this wind farm unfavorably, they can, you know, just tear it down. It seems much easier to undo the damage of a wind farm than it does, say, a coal plant.
It doesn't hurt to be nice.
.. or there will be hell toupee.
Have gnu, will travel.
Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen has stripped Mr. Trump of an honorary degree it awarded him in 2010
You kind of have to question why they awarded it in the first place.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Wind Farm? Not Off My Back Porch
But another obstacle is a political heavyweight with a famous name, a local Cape Cod address and hardline opposition to the project.
U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy's primary residence is in Hyannisport, Mass., on the Kennedy family compound. It's one of the closest landfalls -- about 6 miles -- from the proposed site of the 440-feet turbines, which would be visible from his house as well as other surrounding coastlines.
In all fairness, Kennedy's aides were probably afraid he'd try to drive over to the windmills out at sea.
Listen all you Scots, Trump's mouthpiece says that experimenting with wind energy is not only dangerous but foolish, small-minded and parochial. Just say no.
A blow hard is trying to stop a wind farm?
he was trumped. . .
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That's because he's a lunatic with a dead cat on his head who stands a dangerously high chance of being the Republican candidate for president. But least he doesn't think the pyramids were grain storages and can spell "poverbs" [sic] correctly.
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Yeah, that left wing, it's all to blame, nobody could just be calling Trump the pompous ass he is without being a member of the Secret Left Wing Cabal.
Why do people make unfounded comments like this!! There is no proof that it is a cat, or that it is dead.
My theory is that it is the "thing" on his head is making the decisions....
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Aberdeenshire and Grampian attracted
1.62 million visitors in 2011.
Palm Springs attracts around 1.5 million visitors, and it is adjacent to the San Gorgonio Pass Wind Farm, with over 3000 wind turbines!
Slashdot sure seems to have one hell of an axe to grind with Trump.
Trump's supporters are all low-class, uneducated, white males who drive rusty pickups(*) and want to take their country back.
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This seems to be the attack narrative passed around the news sites right now: if you're a trump supporter, you're low class.
(Subtext: "You wouldn't want to be considered low class now... would you?")
Slashdot readers are highly-educated, well paid, with liberal and progressive viewpoints. Of *course* we bash Trump.
The elites have completely misread the situation and still don't quite get it. Trump's support is real, and name-calling and ridiculing is not going to change peoples' views. If you can't counter his positions with real arguments you will be ignored.
The standard attack is to take something Trump said, extend it to mean something beyond all reason, and ridicule the beyond-reason meaning. So for example, he has a war on women (for ridiculing one woman's behaviour one time), he's Joe McCarthy (for wanting a registry of Muslims), he's Hitler (for wanting to ban Muslims), and so on. I actually read an article informing me that Trump hates people with chronic fatigue syndrome (for saying Ben Carson has low energy).
One thing I *haven't* seen is a rational explanation of why a temporary ban on Muslim immigration isn't a common-sense response to an immediate problem. It's not unconstitutional, it's no less against "American Principles" than going to war on false premises, ordering the death of a citizen, or secret lists and laws. It's also fairly easy to implement - think it through a few minutes and you'll see that detection is relatively straightforward(**).
People don't seem capable of making the rational arguments, they'd rather point out how ridiculous his hair looks.
It's disingenuous, and the voters have caught on.
(*) Fair disclosure: I drive a pickup, although it's not rusty.
(**) For those with little imagination, I refer you to any of a number of people who vetted refugees during WWII, such as Oreste Pinto. His books are a fascinating read.
...whether to make joke...about...trump is a wind bag...or...about....ridiculous hair blowing away...
Giant windmills constantly turning just makes scenery more awesome.
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At least with Reagan, we enjoyed decades of economic growth and foreign policy achievements which where positive.
Sure, if you were a multinational corporation or one of the 1%. For everyone else, the Reagan years brought about stagnant household income when adjusted for inflation. It was also under Reagan's regime of nearly 2 trillion in deficit spending that we switched from being the world's largest creditor to the world's largest debtor.
The whole world was better off with Reagan in office, even if your history text book says otherwise. I know, I was a young adult working for a living at the time.
This is prime trolling. +5. Would laugh again.
Truth is no one in Scotland (including me) wanted his dam golf course. He abused legislation and land laws to force out well established and productive farms to build the thing. And despite the PR it brings almost nothing to the local economy and very little to the Scottish economy (come on its only a single golf course and luxury hotel.. we have 100s of them - all with more history, a few even older than the USA). The only reason he got to build it was because the locals couldn't afford the lawyers to fight and he bribed a few politicians. Its sweat justice that they are now going to 'spoil his view'
It seems like you are under the illusion that Trump is something other than a catchphrase spouting blowhard racist 1%er who doesn't give a shit about anyone or anything but Trump. Renewable energy is important, Trumps view from his golf course isn't.
Look I'll grant you that every media outlet has a narrative whether they are trying to or not (hint though: the left's isn't the only one).
But seriously, with Trump, what is there to filter? Where is the missing narrative of the time he proposed a policy that made any goddamn sense whatsoever (another hint: yelling at somebody you don't like is not a policy)? I mean, there are people with whom I strongly disagree on how implement solutions (i.e. Cheney: I hate you but you are a clever sumbitch), and then there are complete lunatics brimming with extreme personality disorders proposing things that make a bridge to the moon sound sane.
Please tell me, what did I miss? I would honestly like to know what actual action Trump has proposed that you (or anybody) thought was appropriate, feasible and constitutional?
They hauled it off in pieces and then built a lecture hall in it's place.
When they haul it off in pieces, they don't just disappear. They have to be securely stored somewhere. And even if they can return the site to a useful state, the original claim was that it was easier to do this for a wind farm, not that it was impossible to do it for a nuclear power plant.
My first impression of the windswept bucolic views of Scotland is,
"Why aren't there any fucking trees?"
Was Alba always barren of flora or did cutting down the forests in ancient times for firewood change the landscape forever into eroded coastal dunes where nothing will grow?
Actually, it's a long, complex story. 1000 or so years ago, Scotland was mostly forested. At the other end, the Highland Clearances in the 1700s and 1800s didn't just force most of the people out; the major intent was to clear the land for sheep farming, which had become a good income source for the landowners with the development of modern cloth-production techniques. This led to the conversion of most of the countryside to grazing land, eliminating most of the remaining trees.
But that was merely the last blow. Before that, the forests had been heavily mined for wood for shipbuilding, and for producing charcoal to power the growing factories.
It didn't help that Scotland (and Ireland) was on the edge of the tree-supporting area, with the tree line roughly along the northwestern coasts. This meant that the forests were naturally rather slow-growing, and the tree species weren't the largest. So it was easy to over-harvest them if there was any sort of profit from the wood or a more profitable use of a tree-free land area.
Do a bit of googling; you can find lots of info on the history scattered around the internet. Similar things also happened in Scandiavia, so you might look for histories of forestry there as well. But the people there were mostly along the coastlines, and the center had much taller mountains, so the forests survived a lot better than in the British Isles.
The summary is that the treeless scenery of much of Scotland isn't at all natural; it's directly attributed to human "management" of the land. There's plenty of evidence that it would have been mostly forest without its human population, at least for the past 5000 or more years as the last Ice Age slowly faded out..
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
You are exactly right. The liberal media is actually Trump's greatest asset. They play to all his intentionally over the top statements. What the liberal media has intently done over the years is mute, twist, and otherwise minimize any moderate conservative message, and yet here they are running around after Trump's every word like begging dogs.
Sigh.... On the upside the Scots are through the centuries used to obnoxious overlords trying to tell them what to do and how to behave so they probably could'nt give a "#T% bagpipes hoot about the threats of some random yank who is trying to strong arm them. I mean seriously ? I find it particularly interesting that this man is actually trying to become the President of the United States of America... Once a country most Europeans actually looked up to and respected with great gratitude for the sacrifices the American public have made for them in the past, it is a respect that however is fading quickly in Europe thanks to the behavior of the political establishment. One can only wonder if the good people of the USA will wake up in time and reclaim their country from those that are making it look so bad to so many of their friends and help America re-find it's moral compass and rightful place in the world as a true leader... I can just say I am thankful that I have real American friends so I know the established political elite does not speak for all the people. Good luck to you America on the upcoming election, may your people choose wisely and carefully when the time comes to decide your future that holds so much promise not just for yourselves but for the world! Go deep and investigate what the established political elites are truly up to before you go and make your voice heard.
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The city of Dresden, Germany (500,000 inhabitants) has windmills on its territory. Not quite rural.
Structures built in/on the ocean aren't typically torn down. The metal superstructure would either be dismanntled and sold for scrap, or just dumped into the nearby sea if the scrap value isn't high enough. The concrete foundations would either remain, or if they're judged to be a hazard to shipping they'd be blasted into small pieces and left in the sea. I'm not sure what would happen to the fiberglass blades. They're not typically recyclable, but aren't heavy enough to sink and form an artificial reef. So they'd probably have to be transported back to shore and buried in a landfill.
Yes the damage from the coal ash and exhaust makes it pretty much the worst possible choice for power. However, for an equivalent MWe of generation capacity, the amount of steel and concrete needed to construct wind turbines is about 5x more than for a coal plant, an order of magnitude more than for a nuclear plant, and two orders of magnitude more than needed for a gas plant.
Wind is even worse if you compare based on the actual amount of electricity generated, since wind has about half the capacity factor of coal and gas, and nearly 1/4th that of nuclear. (Capacity factor is what fraction of the plant's generating capacity is actually fulfilled on average over a year of operation. Wind is around 0.25, coal and gas about 0.4-0.6, nuclear around 0.9.)
Note: I don't oppose wind. I actually support it, as its cost has come down enough that it's starting to become cost-competitive with nuclear and coal. I just try to counter the misinformation put out there by the unicorn and rainbows crowd who've convinced the public that wind, solar, and hydro have no drawbacks. Every power source has drawbacks, and picking the right one requires an honest and thorough comparison of all the real advantages and drawbacks.
"free" stuff
You say it like it's cigarettes and beer. It's fucking health care and financial assistance programs for people (you know, humans like you and I), and the transition of some of our tax burden to the mega corporations that currently pay jack shit. Disagree with the programs if you want, but don't be the disingenuous prick who reduces the whole thing to your idiot fiction of a black Friday mob of welfare mothers.
Even ignoring your hyperbole, the distance in this case is more than double your example, a wind turbine is around 40 decibels at 300 meters which is about as loud as a modern fridge (not exactly something terrible outside, and something you won't here inside). Compared to the noise pollution many have from major roads, airports, sports stadiums etc wind turbines are nothing. I'd happily live near wind turbines, especially if it means there's less pollution from conventional power plants in the air.
In a local TV interview he expanded on the tweet."The turbines are made in China for the most part and certainly outside the United States, but mostly in China. They are a bird killing machines, they kill birds,"
Current estimates are that windmill are the cause of 3 out of every 100,000 human-related bird deaths and are way, way below #1, windows (think "Trump Tower") and #2, domestic cats. As to the place of manufacture, at least those windmills are imported from the USA. Yes, Made in America. But the Donald has never been one to let facts interfere with a good sound byte.
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You can - and people do - decommission nuclear reactors safely. That's not the point. The point is how much it costs to do so. Nuclear reactors are really expensive to safely decommission.
Although to be fair if you include the cost of damage to the environment that coal produces, then there's no comparison, coal is far far more expensive than any other form of power.
A fool and his hard drive are soon parted.
Sometimes I wonder if the media doesn't really know this and are just trying to drive the republican nomination to him. He's Hillary's only hope.
Think about this. Why did he run as a republican? I think it was because he knew what we all know that Hillary is going to be the democratic nominee, there is no chance anybody else makes it, even Trump. He also knew that a third party run would get him into the general election but he would surely loose and again Hillary would likely win. His *only* path to the presidency was though the republican party nomination process. So he changes parties, develops a right leaning stance to go with is tough guy persona and starts out early by scaring the republican establishment into accepting him into the fold by the "I'll go third party" threat, which they fell for, hook line and sinker.
I think the Media *wants* Trump to run in the general. He's the opponent that Hillary is most likely to best that has any chance to get the nomination. I think the Clintons are dying for Trump to lock this nomination up and waiting for the last desperate mud slinging to start so they can suck up all the ammunition they can and the media is playing into both of their hands, both on purpose and because they are chasing ratings. Trump is crazy like a fox on this part and is playing the media.
However, once the nomination is locked up, the Clintons will unleash and the mighty Trump will be facing a withering broadside both from the media that built him and the Clintons who want to beat him. I'm not sure his current bag of tricks will work in the general election because the Clintons will be ready for it. He will either have to change tactics or Hillary will win. The problem is though, I'm not sure Trump has any other tactics up his sleeves other than spending money. The question will be if it is enough to beat Hillary? I'm not sure it is.
All that's really clear is it's going to be an interesting year...
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They'd be 2.2 miles away, and they don't make noise. I have been much closer to similar windmills, and they're nearly silent--the wind itself is noisier. Noise is wasted energy. Modern designs make very little.
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You're not saying it right, he's Scottish, so he's Trrrrrrump.
Trump is NOT a true Scottsman. He's at best a wannabe.
Wind power production has MORE than lived up to the hype. It's the single fastest growing power source by a WIDE margin precisely because it's been so phenomenally successful and the turbines trump is opposed to are some of the most productive in the world (coastal turbines in Scotland and the north sea are under wind damn near 100% of the time). Turbines are so cost effective up there (even with the cost of sinking foundation into deep water) because the wind never stops blowing and it blows with enough force that the turbines are almost always at maximum spin efficiency.
Coastal wind power is so effective that Denmark gets nearly 60% of their power from it and Scotland could EASILY be an exporter of power to the rest of the UK if they fully built out their wind resources.
Actually, it does make sense in this dimension...
I know there are people who think the media is just in the tank for the left, that they choose sides knowingly, the Cabal mentality. I don't think it's true. I think the people in the "media" are really acting in their own best interest and within their personal beliefs. However, this tends to align them with the views of the people in power more than they and an outside observer might imagine.
Look at the choices of people working for Fox over those working for CNN, what do they cover? How is it different? Get really wacky and listen to NPR and contrast that with Fox and CNN. It's night and day what they choose to comment on and how the stories are slanted and if you forget your personal opinion for a moment and just listen to the differences in how things get reported. It's striking to me, just how slanted outlets like NPR actually are, how they feed on each other's stories, using the same words and phrases to explain their take on the story. But this is how the cheese is made, how the media feeds on itself, reinforces its perceptions and ends up generally on the left of everything because of the influence of a few.... Well, that and the politics of personal destruction and this headlong rush to be PC we are in... Oh no, you MUST have the proper views or your are stupid, bigoted, racist or a combination of the three.
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You have unstated the difficulty in dismantling a nuclear plant. If was as easy as you claim, why would it cost about $100 million and take 5 years? There is no way that a wind farm would be that hard.
Wind turbines have the ultimate recyclability: reuse. You could easily relocate the entire wind farm to another site with less vocal neighbors.
Both Windmills and power plants can (and are) disassembled and removed... Which is all I'm saying
And nobody ever said otherwise, only that it is far easier to dismantle one than the other.
Yes, exactly like those studies that show that a special pixie dust from a naturopath cures cancer and sometimes even done by the same people!
From looking at what the "victims" all have in common it looks like redneck corrupt crony politics is the major cause of windmill syndrome. The instant cure is being able to make money from a windmill.
There's a good reason for that with the stupid charging at windmills using invented anecdotes, which is what the "studies" that show a problem all turned out to be. There are a large number of professionally run investigations into the matter that didn't turn up any problem, but those are conveniently ignored by either real or pretended ignorance.
The Harford website has a bit about radioactive waste that you probably should read instead of guessing.
The short story is lots of neutrons zipping around make everything they hit in large numbers radioactive, so there is a hell of a lot more to worry about than the fuel rods. In a lot of ways the fuel rods are easier to deal with than very large volumes of medium and low grade waste.
You are comparing apples to aardvarks - wind does not fill the base load niche. Unless you have a square wave of demand with huge jumps then you need something other than base load.
Yes. Slashdot also has an "axe to grind" with genocide, pedophilia, and cancer. Some things are universally on our shit list for a very good reason. Trump is no exception. I'm not going Godwin on this one, but it is certainly fair to say that anyone who has educated himself on the man, his history, his viewpoints, and his epic failures at the expense of hundreds if not thousands of families, is going to not really be a big fan of the blow hard. I couldn't read the title without thinking "they rejected Trumps attempts to block himself?", because anyone who doesn't know he is one of the worlds most detrimental wind farms hasn't been paying attention or lacks basic logical facilities.
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About 90% of the population of the U.S. believes in a religion of some sort, and all of the religions of which I'm aware deny science in some manner. You are proposing to prevent 90% of the U.S. population from holding public office.
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The news in my country did a segment on wind farms and revealed they were extremely loud, which can't be healthy.
You're right, watching non-credible news stories is extremely unhealthy.
If you ever see a wind farm, go in for a closer look and listen, they are less noisy than your average car and we seem to accept those every-fucking-where on earth...
You forgot to inform us that wind power will slow down the rotation of the earth if we switch to it big time.
You asked what's so hard about tearing down a coal plant. Cleaning up toxic waste is hard. Besides, the Minimata convention on mercury set a date of 2014 for new coal plants and 2019 (not here yet) for old coal plants to control their emissions. So basically every coal plant in the world except those finished being built sometime in the last 11 months which won't be decommissioned for a couple decades. And that's only for coal plants in nations that follow the Minimata convention. And those controls will still only stop 90% of mercury emissions and 40% of sulfur dioxide emissions. So there will still be mercury contamination. For wind, you might be left with a few concrete mooring anchors or a concrete foundation if the company goes bankrupt. And a concrete foundation would be pretty easy to clean up with little toxic risk.
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Wind power production has MORE than lived up to the hype. It's the single fastest growing power source by a WIDE margin precisely because it's been so phenomenally successful and the turbines trump is opposed to are some of the most productive in the world (coastal turbines in Scotland and the north sea are under wind damn near 100% of the time). Turbines are so cost effective up there (even with the cost of sinking foundation into deep water) because the wind never stops blowing and it blows with enough force that the turbines are almost always at maximum spin efficiency.
Coastal wind power is so effective that Denmark gets nearly 60% of their power from it and Scotland could EASILY be an exporter of power to the rest of the UK if they fully built out their wind resources.
More in fact:
Wind power generates 140% of Denmark's electricity demand
http://www.theguardian.com/env...
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I wonder what it looks like when you have to add the steel, concrete and other materials to mine the coal, transport the coal, dispose of the ash, fuel to move the coal to the "resource price" of the coal-fired power station comparison? The thing about wind is the fuel delivers itself.
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True. The racism is just the cherry on top.
"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
You're not saying it right, he's Scottish, so he's Trrrrrrump.
Trump is NOT a true Scottsman. He's at best a wannabe.
Nobody wants to be Scottish, the Scottish only accept it to piss off the English.
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More in fact: Wind power generates 140% of Denmark's electricity demand http://www.theguardian.com/env...
That's kind of misleading. The headline give you the impression this is a constant thing. Digging down into the article, says this happened on a "unusually windy day" at 3 AM. That 140% number is a outlier at a very specific time under very specific conditions and that may not happen again - or maybe it will. However, it is not the norm.I didn't see anywhere in the article what the average was or even a mean for days where windpower alone meets all need.
In the end, the article is a propaganda piece designed to pump up wind power as a solution.
Well of course. he dares to challenge the left wing narrative around here. Of course, I don't agree with everything he says, but with the left, it's all or nothing. Violate one position, and the media burns you alive for it. Like the media, the editors having a left wing slant on the stories they choose to let through the filter.
Bwaaahhaaa. To quote the well-known 'left-wing narrative' media person known as Lindsay Graham: “Donald Trump is a complete idiot.". (here). And “Donald Trump has done the one single thing you cannot do — declare war on Islam itself To all of our Muslim friends throughout the world, like the King of Jordan and the President of Egypt, I am sorry. He does not represent us.” here
I'm not a fan of most politicians, but at least they are not helping the enemy like Trump is
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These days, be prepared to be called a racist, even if you aren't. All it takes is opposing some political position which is tangentially related to race, or can be argued to be related. It's called "playing the race card" and it's been done a LOT by the current administration and the media supporting it.
Don't think so? What's all this hype about voter-ID laws? If I support imposing a voter ID rule, where you must show a picture ID to vote, in some circles that's considered a racist view. Or, one of my favorite examples is the guy who said "All lives matter" in response to the recent "black lives matter" movement. How's either idea racist by default?
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Where is it?
Trump's mother is a ALIEN. She is not a US citizen, and I DEMAND to see 'Donald Trump's' (if that is his real name) physical, LONG FORM ORIGINAL birth certificate.
But you know we wont see it because he is a dirty, ginger, haggis eating scottie'.
He is a plant, obviously.
He is here simply to turn america into a sheep fucking nightmare clone of the dirty island his kind come from.
He is being enabled by a fifth column that knows his dirty secret and will use it to blackmail him into supporting their causes.
Don't be fooled! 'Trump' (if that is his real name) is not American!
He is not from here but was born in the back of a burnt out Jensen in the strange foreign land of Scotland while his mother drunkenly tried to get the wheel-less car to start up to take herself 'to hospital' as these crazy foreign people say.
He wears a kilt under his PANTS! Look closely when he is giving speeches.. You will see the wrinkles and folds from it through his pants..
He tries to hide it, but this strange crazy clothing is part of his so-called 'culture'.
Don't believe a word he says unless you see his birth certificate. Then you will know the truth.
When you look at what it takes to get an ID you find that for one group of people it will take them nearly all day because they have no transport of their own and the local place to get ids has been shut down.
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Yea, but how is suggesting a law that has no racial component immediately draw the charge of racism? Racism.the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
I submit that there are a LOT of people who think voter ID laws are a good idea because they would prevent voter fraud, people voting for others or dead people. How's that motivation racist, it has nothing what so ever to do with anybody's race? Yet they routinely get branded as such because playing the "race card" shuts down the debate because the other side sets up the straw man argument and then brands their opponent with a charge of being racist. What do you do? Answer the ridiculous charge? Most folks just clam up, not prepared for the slight of hand, caught off guard by being accused of not being politically correct.
The same tactic is used for other social issues, where the real motives of the folks on one side of the issue are substituted with a straw man made up by the other side. They did it with the Gay marriage debate, the democrats invented the "War on Women" being waged by republicans and many more.
Surely you see what I mean.. Lying about your opponent's motives is common in politics. All is not true in the rhetoric you hear..
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Lots of religions don't deny science, but rather have doctrines that cover questions that can't be answered by science. There is no scientific proof that there is no God, or that we don't have immortal souls, or anything like that. There's no scientific evidence for them, and some of them (the immortal soul, for example) are implausible by any scientific standard, but not disproven.
If a religion disagrees with science on any topic that science can cover, it's almost certainly wrong, but not all religions do.
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