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China Launches Dark Matter Space Probe (nature.com)

hackingbear writes: China's Dark Matter Particle Explorer Satellite Wukong, named after the fictional character Monkey King, was successfully launched at the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in Gansu province on Thursday. The probe will be in service for three years to observe the direction, energy and electric charge of high-energy particles in space in search of dark matter. Two further missions will blast off next year: the world's first quantum-communications satellite and an X-ray telescope observing in a unique energy band. Together, these missions mark a new start for space science in China which previously focused on non-science missions, says Wu Ji, director-general of the National Space Science Centre (NSSC).

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  1. Re:taking China's word for it by reboot246 · · Score: 4, Funny

    How did they find enough dark matter to build a space probe? I thought that stuff was hard to find. :)

  2. Where Will They Be Looking by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    For the next few years the Chinese will be probing around Uranus looking for dark matter?

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    1. Re:Where Will They Be Looking by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      For the next few years the Chinese will be probing around Uranus looking for dark matter?

      And all they'll find is klingons :-)

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    2. Re:Where Will They Be Looking by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      For the next few years the Chinese will be probing around Uranus looking for dark matter?

      And all they'll find is klingons :-)

      Eeeeww...

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  3. Re: And they use the metric system by Frankzy · · Score: 1

    So does NASA... Goes to show how horrible imperial is

  4. Re:taking China's word for it by thegreatemu · · Score: 2

    It makes up 95% of the universe actually

  5. Keep losing it by si3n4 · · Score: 1

    toughest problem is they can't tell where it is

    1. Re:Keep losing it by ITRambo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We think that we do know where some dark matter proably is. A scientist at NASA's jet propulsion lab has calculated that dark matter strands lie past the moons orbit. Here's a link http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/n...

    2. Re: Keep losing it by amalcolm · · Score: 2

      The toughest problem is laring to spell

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    3. Re: Keep losing it by amalcolm · · Score: 2

      ... and learning to type :)

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  6. Re: And they use the metric system by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

    So does NASA... Goes to show how horrible imperial is

    Hmmm ... interesting: NASA criticised for sticking to imperial units

    “The Shuttle and US segments of the ISS were built using the English system of measurements,” says NASA spokesman Grey Hautaluoma. “And much of the Ares launch vehicle and Kennedy Space Center ground systems are legacy hardware built in the English system, too.”
    US law

    NASA recently calculated that converting the relevant drawings, software and documentation to the “International System” of units (SI) would cost a total of $370 million – almost half the cost of a 2009 shuttle launch, which costs a total of $759 million. “We found the cost of converting to SI would exceed what we can afford,” says Hautaluoma.

    “Given these budget constraints and the need for consistent units throughout the Constellation Program lifecycle to minimise risks, and to contribute to mission success, we’re revising the previous management directive to a primarily English-units-based program,” he says.

    Question: What is this?

    A) Assembly line for Imperial starfighters built using metric? Or ....

    B) Assembly line for metric busting SR-71 built using imperial?

    Answer: It's a trick question, there are no Imperial starfighters. The answer is B: an assembly line for SR-71s built using imperial.

    Something to ponder on my 5km walk.

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  7. Dark matter may lie just past the moon by ITRambo · · Score: 2

    Check this link to find out where dark matter may lie in earth's neighborhood twice the distance to the moon. http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/n...

  8. Re:taking China's word for it by mdsolar · · Score: 1

    It probably only makes up about a tenth of the mass locally in the disk of the Milky Way: http://m.phys.org/news/2012-06...

  9. Re: taking China's word for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Your whole premise is wrong because there are methods of detecting photons that do not involve large jumps in energies, with multiple continuum methods working from the microwave region on to high energy gammas. And if you're the same guy who has been for years posting quantum is wrong because of a severe lack of understanding the variety processes photons are involved in, you should have learned about this by now as it has been pointed out by replies many times by multiple people.

  10. Re: taking China's word for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's so funny that people really believe that foreign countries are inherently evil because they are not your own. Don't you think it's more logical that their government really is trying to do what is best for their people? Sure, there are dictatorships and there are probably alot of countries that are lead for more selfish means.

  11. Re: taking China's word for it by Frankzy · · Score: 2

    Well 95 is a bit of a stretch, 95% is roughly dark matter and dark energy combined, and they think dark matter makes up about 25% total...

  12. Re: And they use the metric system by Frankzy · · Score: 1

    Well the Soviet union were the first to put a lander on the moon sooo...

  13. Re: And they use the metric system by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

    China already has.

  14. Born from an egg on a mountain top by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

    The funkiest monkey that ever popped.

  15. Clever monkey name by edisrafeht · · Score: 1

    Wukong (a.k.a. Goku) literally means to have an epiphany/understanding about/of the void(/er, dark matter?). The two Chinese characters used in the name are typical for naming Buddhist disciples As you may know, the Monkey King is such a disciple in the novel Journey to the West, a tome with heavy Chinese Buddhist themes.

  16. Re: random ass hypothesis about dark matter by Frankzy · · Score: 1

    could the stretching of spacetime cause it to look as if the galaxies are moving away from each other? That is pretty much what is happening except it doesn't so much stretch but rather all space is expanding at every location. Gravity can still overcome this though, Andromeda is for an example headed right for us.. As for dark matter/energy, that was basically how they were first theorised.. As models didn't add upp scientists figured that more mass was the only explanation and since it can't be seen it was called dark matter, at least we now know dark matter exists. Dark Energy also came about when people looked at the rate of expansion in the universe and saw that it was increasing rather than decreasing which it should've been doing according to the models at the time...

  17. China is the future of the human race... by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    ...in space. The US has tucked up their balls and walked away from the field.

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  18. Re:Wukong by jandersen · · Score: 1

    A small clarification: Superman is fictional, Monkey King is mythological, which is the same thing, but with the benefits of tradition and hindsight.

  19. Re: taking China's word for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    > We all know China can't be trusted...

    Except for those 90% of consumer products lying everywhere in your house.

  20. Re:taking China's word for it by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    Chinese or aliens, my first thought was Cartman had better clinch-up his sphincter or his dark matter's gonna get probed...

  21. here's a question by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    I have a question. You know how the voyager space probes made it as far as they did and the tiny, tiny, mega super tiny force in one direction that was unknown was determined to be the equal and opposite reaction from infrared photons leaving one side of the craft? NASA noticed something that tiny and verified it with calculations. If dark matter existed, wouldn't that have had a similar pull on one of the probes? It traveled through the entire solar system and saw absolutely no gravitational interference at all from unknown mass. I'd consider that a pretty effective probe that's accidentally looking for dark matter.

    1. Re:here's a question by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      I have a question. You know how the voyager space probes made it as far as they did and the tiny, tiny, mega super tiny force in one direction that was unknown was determined to be the equal and opposite reaction from infrared photons leaving one side of the craft? NASA noticed something that tiny and verified it with calculations. If dark matter existed, wouldn't that have had a similar pull on one of the probes? It traveled through the entire solar system and saw absolutely no gravitational interference at all from unknown mass. I'd consider that a pretty effective probe that's accidentally looking for dark matter.

      It's a good questions. I would bet, especially with the that latest theories that passage of the sun and planets through the dark matter cloud would cause some high density filaments to form, like wake from the passing boat. Somebody could get the voyager data, look for deviations in expected movement, figure out the suspected location of filaments at the time, do the gravitational equations for the filaments, and see if the math fits the data. Problem one is that is all on current understanding which no doubt will need to be tweaked, but this might be the things that allows us to tweak it. So much work that doing so could probably be somebodies entire college career. Problem two, is that is a whole lot of work involving celestial mechanics, suspected behavior of dark matter in both our solar system and beyond and the gravitational fields caused by such as functions of time, distance, angular movement of planets, and motion of the sun through the galaxy. Then you have to hope the the accuracy of the measurements of the position of the probes is good enough to detect any effect. The general acceleration of the probe over its lifetime is doable because we can figure it out over long periods of time. In this case, we would need veery detailed measurements over much shorter periods of time as we're with changes on a smaller scale.

    2. Re:here's a question by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      That puts limits on the amount of dark matter that can be in something of a clump near Voyager's trajectory, but observing spacecraft movement is a very, very inexact way to measure gravity. Moreover, dark matter doesn't interact with itself like normal matter does, so it doesn't clump on this scale. If dark matter were evenly distributed, it would not have a significant effect on spacecraft movement. It's also very sparse, so the total amount in the Solar system may be well below what we could detect gravitationally. Normal matter clumps to form stars and planets and stuff, so the mass density of the Solar System is far more than that of a random equal-sized volume nearby. Dark matter doesn't, so the density should be roughly the same through the local stellar neighborhood, meaning darn little that a spacecraft would be close to anyway.

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    3. Re:here's a question by Altrag · · Score: 1

      The EM force is also significantly stronger than gravity -- the effect of those few infrared photons is probably millions of times more powerful than any gravitation you'd feel from dark matter (or real matter, for that matter.. Remember there's still dust and other shit here and there in space that will all be exerting gravitational pull but its so small that its undetectable.)

      EM is something like of 10^36 times more powerful than gravity http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/forces/couple.html (I'm not 100% sure how the coupling constants relate to measured strength but at that scale difference, being off by a few orders of magnitude won't affect my argument..)

      That is to say, you'd need a _hell_ of a lot of unaccounted gravity to match even the tiny effect of a few photons bouncing around. That's why experiments searching for gravitational waves and the such have to be so incredibly precise and eliminate near to 100% noise -- the signal is just so damned weak.

  22. Re:taking China's word for it by painandgreed · · Score: 1

    How did they find enough dark matter to build a space probe? I thought that stuff was hard to find. :)

    There's lots of dark matter, 85% of the universe according to the article, and it is hard to find, which is why we have to send a probe to space to look for it. In this case, they will really be collecting data on high energy cosmic rays. Some theories about dark matter suspect that in can interact with itself or with regular matter and produce cosmic rays. The chance if it doing so is very small, but there is so much of it, it hopefully happens in detectable amounts. So, what they are probably doing is collecting data on cosmic rays that can't otherwise be explained and looking for an origin in the same location as where we suspect dark matter to be.

  23. Gotta wonder ... by dasgoober · · Score: 1

    If they think that finding and understanding dark matter is what China hopes will make them a military power greater than the US

    1. Re:Gotta wonder ... by Altrag · · Score: 1

      I don't know why they would. China might still be semi-communist and definitely has a bad track record for human rights, but for all of that they're still a billion people with a billion sets of hopes and ambitions. There are lots of scientists in China that do their work because they believe it will help humanity, just as there is plenty of them elsewhere with that belief.

      Similarly there will be people in government who are looking further to the future than the next war and will be willing to back funding for pure research projects, just as there is elsewhere in the world.

      There's no reason to assume that every single thing China does is gearing towards a war with the US (who's probably about the last country China would want to fight anyway.. attacking your biggest trading partner for no reason other than that they're big seems like a less than intelligent thing to do even if you ignore the relative military strengths and for all the atrocities in China, they're not generally stupid.)

  24. Re: taking China's word for it by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

    "It's so funny that people really believe that foreign countries are inherently evil because they are not your own."

    Agreed. China didn't drop atomic bombs on Japan.

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  25. Are they using gold? by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

    I just read an (old) article this morning about using gold and DNA to detect dark matter.

    I'm not a physicist and really know nothing about the subject, but it would be interesting to know if the Chinese are attempting to detect dark matter using the aforementioned substances.

    Article here.

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  26. Re: taking China's word for it by Altrag · · Score: 1

    That's more ignorance than evilness. We'd be dropping those things all over the place if they acted like really big conventional weapons (which is what they were wanting at the time.)

    The effects of radiation and fallout weren't really known back when the bombs were dropped (well I'm sure there was some scientists ranting about it but we all know how selective the government's hearing is when it comes to scientists telling them they're being stupid -- climate change anyone?)

    And its those effects, not the killing horrific numbers of people (which was the whole point of course) that has earned nuclear weapons (and unfortunately, nuclear power and basically anything else with the word nuclear in it) their current stigma of being the evilest of evils.

    All that said, you're point still stands -- all governments tend to be fairly similar when looking at them from a global scale, regardless of their internal policies.

  27. Re: taking China's word for it by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

    In what way is carving up Falun Gong practitioners for organs good for them?

  28. Re: taking China's word for it by Redbehrend · · Score: 2

    Exactly I got modded as flamebait because China can be trusted or something? They have a proven track record not to be trusted, they are destroying food chains, fisheries and natural resources "just because". They are killing their own people, help sponsor some of the worst bot nets in the world, the smog is enough to kill 3 countries, shall I go on? lol Not saying we are better but to think they are innocent is just as bad.... I don't trust them because I read up on what they are doing, and no I'm not talking about CNN or fox news.