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Tesla Will Have Self-driving Cars In Just Two Years, Elon Musk Boldly Declares (fortune.com)
An anonymous reader writes: In a new interview with Fortune, outspoken Tesla CEO Elon Musk said the electric automaker is just two years away from developing fully autonomous vehicles that can operate ably and safely in any type of environment. While Musk has long championed an automotive age filled with self-driving cars, this is the most optimistic timeline for their deployment we've seen Musk make yet. In fact, Musk in 2014 said the requisite technology to manufacture a self-driving car was still about five to six years away. "I think we have all the pieces," Musk said, "and it's just about refining those pieces, putting them in place, and making sure they work across a huge number of environments—and then we're done. It's a much easier problem than people think it is."
If he means he is willing to accept full liability for any and all problems that's one thing. But I doubt we will have autonomous cars that can replace drivers in anything but freeway and some limited pre mapped city driving situations any time soon.
if he's willing to sell a car as "self driving" and accept liability for its driving, then that car had better be able to handle all driving conditions, or Tesla won't survive long under all of the liability lawsuits.
It's difficult for computers to solve visual captchas humans solve easily, likewise humans navigate better than computers today with far inferior sensors.
It often takes me several tries to complete a Capcha, while Google says that they've got AI that can solve their own capchas:
http://www.theverge.com/2014/4...
Elon is apparently still riding the high of Falcon 9 success, a feat which while absolutely amazing, pales in complexity to self-driving cars. I certainly wish him luck, I love his bravado for sure; but me thinks NOT.
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In two years, didn't you read the summary? O_o
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Time to purchase some Tesla stock.
Every time Musk says something positive about Tesla in a public forum, the stock jumps higher, usually in the $12 to $15 range. Then slowly goes down again over the subsequent 2 weeks.
Look to see a big jump around Monday, after everyone has done with the holidays and logs into their stock accounts over the weekend.
Just 'sayin...
They'll be defending themselves from lawsuits within 3.
So what? They're safer than the average driver. Juries on average may prefer to side with the little guy, but what really convinces juries is showing them exactly what happened. The many, many tort cases about car accidents are all about whose story about how the accident occurred is correct.
Anyone defending a robotic car will be *really* good at showing exactly what happened in an accident. It's not just about witness statements any more.
We're already paying a lot of money because of lawsuits around cars. Insurance will ultimately be cheaper with robotic cars involved.
As I recall, Google has been saying for while that they'd have something ready by 2017. On the one hand it seems like it should be surprising if Tesla manages to make it to market at the same time, since they got a much later start. On the other hand, it probably shouldn't surprise us if multiple companies get there at about the same time, since it's less about the cleverness in building the system than it is about having all of the fundamental technological pieces to do it. In particular, I think deep learning neural networks are the core technology that will make effective fully-autonomous cars feasible (plus the sensors, but those have been available for years), and to a large degree the whole world got access to that theory and practice at about the same time.
What is surprising to me is that we haven't heard more from the likes of Freightliner. IMO, that is the first really major market for self-driving vehicles, and those don't even need to be fully autonomous. If tractor-trailer rigs can just drive themselves on the freeway, freight companies can immediately get rid of 90% of their drivers and massively reduce their costs, by having a human drive the truck to the freeway then hop out and let it travel to the destination city, where another human will drive it through town to its destination. Plus, given the price of a semi tractor, adding $50K or even $100K for an automation suite is a relatively small incremental cost, while it's a rather large chunk of change for a passenger vehicle.
(Disclaimer: I work for Google, but not on self-driving vehicles and I don't know any more about the status of Google's system than what is in the public press.)
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So what? They're safer than the average driver.
How can you know that about a technology that isn't even built yet?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
https://xkcd.com/678/
More context:
“We’re going to end up with complete autonomy, and I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years.” That doesn’t mean city streets will be overflowing with driverless Tesla vehicles by 2018 (coincidentally, the company’s Model 3 should be on roads by then). Musk expects regulators will lag behind the technology. He predicts it will take an additional year for regulators to determine that it’s safe and to go through an approval process. In some jurisdictions, it may take five years or more, he says.
Anyway congrats on landing Falcon rocket. So yeah, he over promises and under delivers. But even his under delivered stuff is way too awesome.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
We'll having flying Teslas in three years! Finally, our childhood dreams embodied.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Perfect is the enemy of good.
"The car is already not YOUR car anymore because the manufacturer controls the spare parts market."
This is an amazingly uneducated response.
Go see the company called "year One" and how they are making parts for cars that have been long abandoned by the manufacturer. Oh and please feel free to continue ignoring every car made from 1927 to 1999 that also have 3rd party parts available.
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Nah. most flies have seen with run j to a window over and over again. You'd think it's give up the first time but no. Surely we do t want our cars doing the same.
Here's the self-driving technology level list. Which level would you say we are at with current technology?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
So when will they be able to handle round-abouts and unmarked lanes?
I don't know about roundabouts, but Tesla Autopilot, can already handle unmarked lanes. Tesla collects GPS data while you are driving. So if you drive down a street with unmarked lanes, it just follows the same path as other Teslas that have driven down the same street. My street has no lane markings, and my wife's Tesla can drive it on Autopilot with no problems. So this is a solved problem, and the solution is already in use by consumers.
How can you know that about a technology that isn't even built yet?
Because it is built, and has already been tested over millions of miles of driving. Many of the specific technologies, like adaptive cruise control, and automatic lane following, are already installed in millions of cars.
Again, here are the self-driving technology levels. Where would you say were are currently on that list? What do you think it will take to get to level 4?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Can someone please give Elon Musk a smack? He's just trolling us now.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Where would you say were are currently on that list?
Legally, we are at level 2. Technologically, we are at level 3.
What do you think it will take to get to level 4?
Two years.
Are you sure we can duplicate a housefly. Are you sure you're not thinking of fruit fly? (which are admittedly, probably more common in households than the house fly...)
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I don't know why that should imply any particular degree of surprisingness. Cryptography is all about algorithms that are relatively simple, but which don't have simple (or at least, no known simple) reversing algorithms.
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Because most programmers don't apply cryptographic techniques when making captchas.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
What do you think it will take to get to level 4?
Two years.
That avoids answering the question. If you don't know what technological advances are still necessary, that's fine.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Are technological advances actually necessary, or is it just a matter of gathering a lot more data with testing to refine the logic?
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Captchas may be easily solvable for a specific type of obfuscation. But it is extremely computationally intensive and still the best generic systems struggle below 90%, sometimes well below, when it comes to solving any generic type and not a specific method. The article from the verge about Google posted above a 96% success rate for house numbers lmao how many literate and sober humans are that bad at reading straight forward numbers? Humans are still better going into 2016 hence the croudsourced software models still in use today.
Yes when you compare supercomputer clusters to a common housefly it should be possible to exceed the housefly computational power. My point is it's not brute force, simply that we are decades behind on intelligent algorithms and getting hundreds to tens of thousands of these algorithms to effectively work together properly. That's likely what you would need to outperform a human with similar sensory input.
When will humans be able to handle roundabouts? Because where I live not many people are smart enough to successfully navigate roundabouts.
Are technological advances actually necessary, or is it just a matter of gathering a lot more data with testing to refine the logic?
Faster hardware will also help. Most vision and AI algorithms are highly parallel, so more cores helps almost as much as faster cores.
and needs say at least 5-8 years free updates for software / hardware swaps if needed for the auto drive system / safety parts of it.
We do not need after one year want X fixed buy a NEW CAR.
Will they take on criminal liability as well? and with that you can't hide under some EULA also a EULA will not cover a 3rd party victim.
It depends. If you want an AI that can handle any new road it's never seen before (like a human), then yes, we need to invent that kind of AI.
The Google/Tesla method is to have a very detailed 3D map of the area, and then the car can navigate through the pre-made map. It seems like Tesla is planning on creating a detailed 3D map of the entire United States, probably by collecting data from cars that are already on the road. I am fascinated to see if that is enough. I doubt it, but if I'm proved wrong, then great we have self-driving cars.
Previously reports were that Google car sensors couldn't handle certain weather conditions. Maybe they've solved that by now (they aren't very open at all about what their cars can do), but if not, then we'll need to improve that technology as well.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
What about data? Cars may need a lot of local storage can't relay on there being some kind of good cell / wifi network 24/7 even 1 way GPS is iffy in some areas maybe mesh networks but still rural areas and other network black holes.
There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
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"Putting the 'dead' into deadline."
I really really hope they don't rush things to get it done on time.
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Really? So you regularly encounter people stuck in them? Or did you mean they can't navigate it in the most efficient way? There's a difference there.
"drivers in anything but freeway and some limited pre mapped city driving situations any time soon."
I imagine that they can do a bit better than that. e.g. navigate a parking lot on a "If it isn't moving steer around it and if it is moving wait for it to get out of the way" basis. But they are going to get stuck occasionally and need a bit of help -- which is why they'll need a driver on board who is capable of making decisions.
Overall, I agree. It'll surely be a decade or three before autonomous cars can consistently navigate arbitrary urban or suburban streets safely.
Increasingly, Musk seems like an old fashioned snake oil salesman.
You can't see ANYTHING from a car, You've got to get out of the goddamned contraption and walk...Edward Abbey
Of course, now they are putting more computers in each car, and then embedding the VIN of the car in the code running each CPU, to make it that much harder to replace said computers when they fail.
And I can't believe people are stupid enough to pay for a internet connection for the vehicle, just so they don't have to deal with their children, but also giving the manufacturer valuable information about them and how they use their vehicle, which is sold, will be used against them if they get in any sort of accident, and the cars systems will be able to be remotely altered. And please ignore the terrible track record the car companies have with keeping their systems safe. And the manufacturer partnering with a software maker like Google or Microsoft certainly won't result in code that will be hack-proof.
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"Tesla Will Have Self-driving Cars" is very very very far from "Tesla Will Have Self-driving Cars that are approved to sell to the public"
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Hmm. Why don't they crowdsource autonomous cars then? Just have millions of people in third-world countries paid pennies an hour deciding whether your car should speed up or slow down. If it's the best way to solve captchas, what could possibly go wrong?
Of course, now they are putting more computers in each car, and then embedding the VIN of the car in the code running each CPU, to make it that much harder to replace said computers when they fail.
That's not new, but eventually people figure out how to root that out. Bosch ME 5.4 and below are all fully open now, for example, including rewriting immobilizer codes. Using a $10 eBay cable and a netbook, I can theoretically the codes on mid-to-late-nineties Kraut cans in just a couple of minutes. Or, they redevelop the modules. The factory service manual typically includes literally all the information needed to implement workalikes. The good news is that automakers tend to use the same modules over and over again. The Bosch ABS 5 computer in my A8 is also the same as in contemporary A6 and Passat, and probably other modules, and there's no coding because it's fully adaptive. The only modules that tend to get coded to the car are the cluster, PCM, and TCM, perhaps the security module, and maybe the BCM but usually not.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Can it to tell that the man in front is a cop giving hand signals (and obey those signals) as opposed to some crazy person? Can it know not to stop for a potential carjacker? Can it read road diversion signs? Can it read temporary speed restrictions and roadwork signs? Can it negotiate a crossroads where the lights are out in a way that gives priority and due consideration to other drivers? Can it navigate in a long tunnel, double decker road, multi story carpark or other areas that have no GPS signal? Can it tell the difference between a bus which has stopped to pick up passengers, as opposed to a bus which has broken down and needs to be passed? Can it operate when rain or snow are impeding its sensors? Can it tell the difference between a pothole and a puddle? Can it tell the difference between a plastic bag blowing by and a child running across the street and react appropriately? Can it tell the difference between pedestrians waiting to cross vs those standing with no intention of crossing?
I bet there are a LOT of situation that neither Tesla vehicles or any others can be trusted to operate properly. I expect they'll do fine on motorways and certain predictable lengths of urban road. I expect they'll be so annoyingly bad in cities and towns that they'll be turned off or they'll be the cause of accidents.
These are called taxis. And now uber.
And you don't think autonomous cars, with subsidized AI, won't keep driving past the mall where you make regular purchases? Or the casino or liquor store if it's not out of the way. Or to be free it continually makes inane product or service placement suggestions? I'm not so sure that these centeralized AI models will be much different.
Knowing Musk, "available in two years" means they'll have a widely publicized demo on a big parking lot in two years, and we'll get actual self-driving cars with severe limitations on how and when to use the system in at least four years.
Come on, Elon, prove me wrong!
... That's likely what you would need to outperform a human with similar sensory input.
And that's where we disagree. Humans are impatient, short-sighted, inattentive, and panicky. A computer isn't. It's patient, and always pays attention. Yes, humans are extraordinary at sensory input processing (well, for the parts they are looking at), but that's only part of the pipeline. There have been great advances in image processing in the past couple of years. Further, the computer gets input from more directions at once. Combine that with flexible decision making (and complete attention to the problem) and the overall system performance is already higher in some situations. In a couple of years, it will be better across the board.
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And yet, it works. A single car with wonky GPS is one thing. Having hundreds of cars with GPS, and gathering data repeatedly over the same location, allows high accuracy. You combine that with systems that use the sensor inputs and you can be very accurate. Consider the following article that discussed the data that they have already gathered. Now, do that for the next 2 years, while compute power, algorithms, and sensors improve. This is doable, though still hard.
The more people I meet, the better I like my dog.
We still haven't got reliable gps but we want to make an autonomous car.
Who is this "we"? Under $20 gets you a modern GPS module (and GLONASS, etc) with an active patch antenna and a compass.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Good. There have been too many glazed-eye douches in Tesla who have nearly run me down in crosswalks. This does not, alas, mean that American car sitters of other vehicle types are really any better at not running down pedestrians, but when you've built a mostly survivable car hell, what can one expect?
A few years ago at the darpa challenge every competing vehicle was able to park by itself. Within a year many manufacturers were selling cars with some type of park assist.
That was pretty cool considering a lot of them weren't even able to finish the challenge.
But two years? Yeah I think you are right marketing seems to want to say WE HAVE A SELF DRIVING CAR!!! while selling something that is just fancy cruise control. Like tesla's autopilot many sources reported it as being much more than it is /. included. http://tech.slashdot.org/story...
I feel the same about this as astronauts do when someone calls the shuttle a spaceship.
Lets not call anything a self driving car until one can actually drive by itself from point a to point b without interaction being required.
Have one go from CA to NY without any driver interaction (other than for fuel) now that would be something worthy of the title.
There are a lot of people working on it and an enormous amount of funding being poured into it I personally think it will be done within the next 10 years hopefully sooner.
Keep in mind here in the US we had to lower the standard of what was considered broadband so it would look like people actually had access to decent service. The limit for broadband is now 25/3 so dsl no longer qualifies.
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They're doing both. See forthcoming Model 3.
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What I've seen is an inability of people to handle multiple lanes in a roundabout. So if new lanes start in the middle, while lanes spiral off to outside exits, people will be oblivious to the line markings. As well you can have people on an inner lane, that abruptly exit without checking if there is a car continuing past the exit in an outer lane.
Also just a general lack of use of Turn signals. More than normal.
Does Tesla sell factory service/repair manuals? As far as I heard nope, they don't. Neither spare parts unless you prove that you own clean title Tesla and it isn't something more complex like engine. Good look trying to reverse engineer it which would probably be declared illegal as well. And they can switch off their charger access at any moment, or any charging for that matter, thanks to that great over-the-air update & always connected feature of total control of your (are you sure it is your anymore?) car.
Humans who don't operate machinery loose skills to do it inevitably. It is already happening with airliners, from time to time pilots get confused with simple things when autopilot disconnects, even if they are supposed to receive simulator training. E.g. Air France flight over Atlantic, autopilot disconnected and pilot was unable to keep plane going at constant speed and pushed up until it went into stall. Or Korean plane hitting seawall in CA in perfect weather just because some autolanding system was off.
You may still retains driving skills as you were driving for many years. But younger generation will not have them.
It is fine for driver assistance, but it doesn't sound like fool-proof for autonomous car. What if you drive in some location where Teslas are not very popular and get into new road construction zone with remapped or absent lanes? Will Tesla just follow previous path and go straight into a pile of sand? I would rather wait for other guinea pigs to test such system on full scale before relying on it myself.
The problem with these millions miles is that they are all on the same track, so really means nothing when you go elsewhere or when something changes on the road.
GPS may be hardly usable in some places like South America.
How can you know that about a technology that isn't even built yet?
The technology is partly 20 years old so it is built.
Basically all majour car companies in Europe and Asia have self driving cars since about 10 years. With more or less success, of course.
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We are already at level 4.
I never sat in one of those cars, but we have a few at my University more precisely at the "Forschungszentrum Informatik" here in Karlsruhe.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Erm, we are using 4 ARM cores and 2 DSPs and mostly they idle, one DPS does nothing, one ARM is only needed during booting. On something like 500MHz and 16MB RAM. TI board, forgot the name. A pretty simple and cheap one.
We don't need anything faster for simple image processing.
Radar, Lidar and other sensors are processed by different boards.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
With more or less success, of course.
lol there's a lot of variance in that phrase.......
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Have one go from CA to NY without any driver interaction (other than for fuel) now that would be something worthy of the title.
I'd have thought that getting the car to fill/charge itself while stationery was a relatively trivial matter compared to actually driving at high speed on roads filled with drunks, texters and people with an allergy to indicators or looking in the mirrors.
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Self Driving Cars with automated updates, kill switches, remotely accessed cameras and microphones, and any other means of surveillance is not a car I will finance because it will no longer be MY car.
In case you hadn't noticed, the Uber model means that in a few years' time, almost no one will bother owning a car. Except the not-a-taxi drivers of course, and even they will probably have some sort of lease arrangement with Uber.
Why else would Uber be valued at sixty zillion dollars? Certainly not because they'll be just a big not-a-taxi company.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
In a couple of years, it will be better across the board.
You're begging the question.
No one is denying that if there is a huge leap forward in AI in the next two years then autonomous cars could work.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
So if you drive down a street with unmarked lanes, it just follows the same path as other Teslas that have driven down the same street.
So it's able to follow a map? That is not AI, and it is not adequate for the real world.
So this is a solved problem
No, it's not.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
When will humans be able to handle roundabouts? Because where I live not many people are smart enough to successfully navigate roundabouts.
Idiocracy has become reality.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
"How can you know that about a technology that isn't even built yet?"
Because it is. What's happening now is testing, validating and minor refinements based on existing builds.
Cool, Elon Musk himself is posting on slashdot.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
The Google/Tesla method is to have a very detailed 3D map of the area, and then the car can navigate through the pre-made map.
The map is not the territory.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
We are already at level 4.
I never sat in one of those cars, but we have a few at my University more precisely at the "Forschungszentrum Informatik" here in Karlsruhe.
So one of the cars at your university can drive me from there to (say) Berlin, while it's snowing, with no human intervention other than my opening the door to get in? Really?
If this is the case, why haven't you licensed the tech to Musk and let him make you all a boatload of cash?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
I think what you are saying is that the map will never accurate represent the actual world. In that case, I agree with you, and I will actually be astonished if it works. Pleasantly astonished, but astonished nonetheless.
Also, agile techniques definitely don't work with self-driving cars. Can you imagine an OTA update that isn't quite right, and ends up killing 15000 people?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I guess Elon will license the tech from someone ... what is your point?
At least if he starts from scratch now and does not license anything, or simply buy the required parts (actually no need to license anything if you simply buy the sensors and computers from Bosch and Continental e.g.) he wont make anything in the next 2 years.
After all the other companies are working since 20 years on the required sensors and software.
So one of the cars at your university can drive me from there to (say) Berlin, while it's snowing, with no human intervention other than my opening the door to get in? Really? ... not sure which brand we have right now, I think an BMW and an Audi.
Yes, they are only at the university, more precisely FZI Karlsruhe, to fool around with them. They are mainstream cars
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
That means that some have 100% autonomous cars, and the others are a bit behind ;D
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
It should be but I haven't seen any news of any automated fill systems in development. As for electric Ive only heard of the snake charger tesla is working on.
So maybe they will start work on automatic gas stations later? Many of the gas stations here have intentionally slow pumps so it takes 15 minutes to get 10 gallons of fuel.
Some have even went as far as disabling the cc machine at the pump so you have to go inside. Somehow I don't think they have my convince in mind. So if I want to fill up at existing stations manual will be required. However since we are talking about a SDC having to drive an extra 100 miles to get to an automatic fill/charger may not be considered an issue on a cross country trip.
Years ago I was hearing about plans for wireless chargers where you just parked your vehicle over a certain spot. Haven't heard anything about them in a while so I assume its been decided the losses are too great with the amount of transfer required to charge an electric car.
However much smaller things eg a roomba already have a automatic (and wired) charging solution. So it can be done easily enough.
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Well, Google has a car without a steering wheel, and the DARPA challenge was won a while ago, but that doesn't mean we have the technology for a street legal car without a steering wheel.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Legally, we are at level 2. Technologically, we are at level 3.
I'd say that's correct.
But 2 years to get to level 4? No. 2 years we'll be able to expand the list of "specific traffic and environment" situations that are supported, but that's still miles away from level 4.
For level 4, the car has to be able to cope with the car in front of it having a blowout on a bridge, and skidding to a stop on its side. And I'm not talking about just safely braking to avoid a collision; that's the EASY part.
I'm talking about coping with the fact that now there is a traffic jam piling up behind it, and a 2 tons out of commission vehicle blocking the lanes in front of it.
So it needs to get out of the way for the ambulance if necessary. It needs to follow directions to detour around the wreckage, perhaps backup, off the bridge cross over to the oncoming lanes using one of the emergency/service vehicle openings, and then take turns with oncoming traffic to pass the accident as directed by the police.
You think we're two years from a car that can do that? Not me. I don't think we're even close.
And if we don't have that? Then what? We're going to have empty cars, and cars occupied by people who aren't able to drive causing truly epic traffic jams because they simply don't know how to cope with exceptional circumstances like this.
but that doesn't mean we have the technology for a street legal car without a steering wheel.
I would not be so certain about that. And ofc. some questions remains:
a) with or without steering wheel, would an occupant require a driving license (especially if it has a steering wheel)
b) would there be a way, perhaps with an App, to interfere aka giving directions, in case the car is indeed lost, e.g. in a small path through a wood, or if it "sees" tracks of a agricultural machine on a field and likes to divert to follow them from a country road
Hm, I had one more question before, but I lost it.
As far as I see it (checked how far Tesla is, but could not figure how they went there so far, they are basically on par with google I would say) the legal question comes in tough when the majour car companies make pressure. As I mentioned before: all big Germans and a few of the Japanese with which we have cooperations have the technology to sell self driving cars _right now_
I just watched a movie of the Tesla in "autopilot" mode on german roads. The testers where extremely surprised and confident. It seems it only lacks abilities in crossing roads in tows or making turns there, when no traffic lights etc. are available. I guess they have no proper camera/algorithms ready yet.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
I would not be so certain about that.
I am lol.
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