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Software Error Releases Up To 3,200 Inmates Early (seattletimes.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Governor Jay Inslee announced Tuesday that software used by the Washington Department of Corrections has been making mistakes in calculating sentences since 2002, resulting in thousands of inmates leaving prison early. Corrections officials learned of a problem in 2012. A patch to fix the faulty software will be implemented next month. Here's how the bug happened: When people are convicted of a crime, they're given a base sentence. On top of that, there can be extra periods of time — for example, using a firearm might add five years on top of the base sentence. While in prison, inmates can earn time off their sentence for good behavior or participating in work/education programs — but it can only apply to their base sentence. The software involved applied the inmates' good behavior credits to each section of their sentence. The Corrections Department is now trying to track down released inmates to make some of them finish their terms.

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  1. Pre-order for only $30MM tax dollars! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like the software was released early, too.

    1. Re:Pre-order for only $30MM tax dollars! by invictusvoyd · · Score: 1

      Or made at yahoo!

  2. Why do you hate America? by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Corrections Department is now trying to track down released inmates to make some of them finish their terms.

    Wow... How fucking maliciously vindictive and petty can Uncle Sam get?

    "Yeah, good job getting your life back together, congrats on landing that new job - Now get back in the goddamned cage."

    1. Re:Why do you hate America? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What does Uncle Sam have to do with this? This is Washington state, not Washington, D.C.

    2. Re:Why do you hate America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Please read the article before posting:

      "Many prisoners released early may not wind up being re-incarcerated, according to Brown. The law requires the state to give day-for-day credit in most cases to a prisoner who has been released early and hasn’t been found to break any laws since, he said."

    3. Re:Why do you hate America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      This sounds like par for the course. They have something called "Compassionate Release" -- it sounds quite magnanimous but is actually incredibly petty: throwing seriously ill inmates out onto the pavement to reduce medical expenses.

    4. Re:Why do you hate America? by erikkemperman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Please read the article before posting:

      You must be new here

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    5. Re:Why do you hate America? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      The Corrections Department is now trying to track down released inmates to make some of them finish their terms.

      Wow... How fucking maliciously vindictive and petty can Uncle Sam get?

      "Yeah, good job getting your life back together, congrats on landing that new job - Now get back in the goddamned cage."

      I don't know if you're American, but if you're not, this kind of thing happens all the time here.

    6. Re:Why do you hate America? by kheldan · · Score: 1

      This, exactly, and times 1E+6. They'll cause unnecessary damage to some people's lives.

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    7. Re:Why do you hate America? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Were the requirements for this software incorrect? If so, who signed off on them? And if they were correct, who signed off on the test script and results? Go track those people down and throw them in jail.

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    8. Re:Why do you hate America? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Go track those people down and throw them in jail.

      And use the same software to calculate their sentencing?

    9. Re:Why do you hate America? by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed, 100%. Certainly telling them their debt to society is paid and then going back for more is unusual. It has an element of cruelty to it as well.

      If anyone wonders why some people act as if society is their enemy, here's the answer, because it acts like an enemy.

    10. Re:Why do you hate America? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it's not the same at all. If the cell was unlocked (and all of the other doors leading out of the prison) the prisoner still knows that it's a mistake. In this case everyone, including the state, believed that the proper time was served. The proper papers for the release were signed and the possessions were returned. The people left prison in good faith believing they served their debt to society. Someone escaping jail through an unlocked door knows full well that what they are doing is wrong.

    11. Re:Why do you hate America? by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      One of the purposes of the federal government is to protect the rights of the people from bad actions of the state. At least it has been sine the Civil War.

    12. Re:Why do you hate America? by tolydude · · Score: 1

      "Many prisoners released early may not wind up being re-incarcerated, according to Brown. The law requires the state to give day-for-day credit in most cases to a prisoner who has been released early and hasnâ(TM)t been found to break any laws since, he said."

      Find me anyone who hasn't broken any laws in a given day, week, or month! As many respectable sources point out, you break the law every day without even knowing it: e.g. http://www.washingtonsblog.com... If you don't feel like reading, watch here from 5:18 to 6:18, or even further until to 7:18 for some fun examples. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

    13. Re:Why do you hate America? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      These people were released from prison with signed paperwork from the state indicating they served all their time, congratulating them on their release, and wishing them well in their new life. Along with explicit after-prison support, like half-way house enrollment and such.

      Implying the prisoners snuck out early is a lie.

    14. Re:Why do you hate America? by pla · · Score: 2

      Please read the article before posting:

      Yes, please do:

      "Inslee said the state is working to locate offenders released early who need to complete their sentences. Five have been returned to prison, according to Brown."

    15. Re:Why do you hate America? by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

      Find me anyone who hasn't broken any laws in a given day, week, or month! As many respectable sources point out, you break the law every day without even knowing it: e.g. http://www.washingtonsblog.com...

      Nonsense. And debunked. The cases presented are extremely rare; situations that happen to very, very few people every year. "You" (most people) never break any of these laws without knowing, not once in your life. "You break the law every day without knowing it" is absolute nonsense.

    16. Re:Why do you hate America? by CraigCruden · · Score: 2

      They should ONLY force people to serve out their sentences if they reoffend. If they have returned and integrated into society, there should be no reason to track them down and force them to serve out their sentences - after all it was not their mistake that effectively commuted their sentences.

    17. Re:Why do you hate America? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      They get money from incarcerated prisoners...

    18. Re:Why do you hate America? by sglewis100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Find me anyone who hasn't broken any laws in a given day, week, or month! As many respectable sources point out, you break the law every day without even knowing it: e.g. http://www.washingtonsblog.com... If you don't feel like reading, watch here from 5:18 to 6:18, or even further until to 7:18 for some fun examples. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

      IF I were to agree with you that everyone breaks the law everyday, it still wouldn't change the fact that the statement was you would get credit for the days as long as you weren't FOUND to have broke the law.

    19. Re:Why do you hate America? by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      Yes, track them all down and throw them away for making a mistake... I guess we're all going away for that one.

    20. Re:Why do you hate America? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The NSA reads all sites, thus read this, and is part of the feds. Buy yes, nobody has yet petitioned the ACLU to protect our rights. Which I'm sure one of the released and re-arrested will do. We just haven't gotten there yet because the evil people like you excuse government inaction. You have to petition for your rights to have them, and that's your responsibility. The government shouldn't recognize blatant illegal acts and step in without the fees paid. Only the rich get justice.

    21. Re:Why do you hate America? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Wow... How fucking maliciously vindictive and petty can Uncle Sam get?

      A lot more. Better keep quiet before they come after you.

    22. Re:Why do you hate America? by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      There's a simple and reasonably fair solution. Tack it on to their next sentence. If they're doing well in society, employed, supporting themselves and their families, and not committing new crimes, leave them alone. The point of prison is supposed to be to reform criminals and there wouldn't be any point in disrupting the lives of people who have been reformed. That couldn't possibly have a positive effect on society.

    23. Re:Why do you hate America? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Heh... This is the third time (and only the third time ever) that I've gotten to mention something about my old MOS. Some strange trivia for you - though I do not know if this has changed, I kind of doubt it has.

      In the civilian world, if you escape from prison then you're committing a new crime and will be sentenced to a longer term.

      In the military, well, your freedom has been taken. It is only natural that you try to escape. If you escape then someone else is in trouble and you will serve no extra time for that act. (Obviously, you will be subject to other laws but if you simply escape, you're just brought back and stuffed into the hole for a little while and given a higher security classification.)

      If someone locks you up, it's instinct and natural to try to get out. It used to be that my job (transportation officer - traditionally called an escort or chaser) meant that a detainee escaping while in my custody meant that I served that detainees time until they were returned to custody. For better or worse, that is no longer the case. It did, however, mean that escaping prisoners were usually just shot.

      Also, I have no idea how many regulations have changed in the past 30 years.

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    24. Re:Why do you hate America? by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      The Corrections Department is now trying to track down released inmates to make some of them finish their terms.

      Wow... How fucking maliciously vindictive and petty can Uncle Sam get?

      "Yeah, good job getting your life back together, congrats on landing that new job - Now get back in the goddamned cage."

      I concur with you. I am willing to bet that most, if not all of the released (on error) inmates are not recidivists. They returned to home, job, and in many cases, back to spouse. The reason the government wants them back is for the contract--for profit prisons are great. Its time that the USA should empty their prisons of pot smokers, or bad debt prisoners.

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  3. The system screwed up... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    The Corrections Department is now trying to track down released inmates to make some of them finish their terms.

    We can't let criminals get off on a technicality.

    1. Re:The system screwed up... by TWX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually we can. There was a fairly recent example of a court sentencing a man but somehow failing to actually send him to prison. He lived clean for well past his sentence's duration and when the authorities realized their mistake a legal battle ensued and the man won. He did have to spend some time in jail pending the outcome of the second legal case, but that was short compared to the time he would have spent had the court affirmed that the state could hold him for his sentence.

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    2. Re:The system screwed up... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's a legal technicality, not a technical technicality.

    3. Re:The system screwed up... by neanderslob · · Score: 1

      You say this as though they're being found "not guilty" due to an error. Instead they're being sentenced and serving time, just not as much time as originally prescribed. The question is whether it's worth the cost (time, effort, familial disruption, credibility of the system) to make these people serve the objective duration of their subjective sentence. Given that the time issued for a given charge is quite varied from case to case, I'm not sure it is.

    4. Re:The system screwed up... by TWX · · Score: 1

      That's a legal technicality, not a technical technicality.

      What's the difference? Humans still chose to process the inmates for release, fill-out paperwork, return their property to them, arrange for transportation, and open the gates. Even if the humans were advised by a computer, a human still created the computer and programmed the computer, and were in-charge of the computer, and those humans are representatives of the State. At any time in the process those representatives of the State could have chosen to audit the computer results, and from a sanity-perspective should have audited those results compared to the old way of tabulating for several years before coming to rely on the new system to make sure that it was actually working correctly.

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    5. Re:The system screwed up... by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      You want to hear something crazy? I read a report once that mentioned that it's estimated that 80% of first time offenders are so put off by the immediate results of being caught - arrest, charging, booking, and the trial that any actual punishment is superfluous and that they won't re-offend. Putting them in prison actually increases the odds that they're re-offend because of the extra disadvantages when they get out.

      Consider classical conditioning - the closer the punishment is to the offense, the more effective it is. As such, I'd argue that the marginal benefit, reform wise, of any time past, say, 5 years, is very minimal. Longer sentences should be reserved for when you believe reform isn't possible and are switching to simply warehousing them. For that matter, a 10 year sentence is enough to keep a snot-nosed punk out of society long enough for him to 'calm down' given that peak criminality is basically 15-25 year old males.

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    6. Re:The system screwed up... by Schnapple · · Score: 1

      There was a fairly recent example of a court sentencing a man but somehow failing to actually send him to prison.

      This is probably the case you're referring to.

    7. Re:The system screwed up... by TWX · · Score: 1

      Yep, that's the one.

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    8. Re:The system screwed up... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Well, I recommend we sentence that computer to 365 days of Windows 10.

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    9. Re:The system screwed up... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I had a debate on Slashdot once and decided to bring some facts with me. According to the FBI, Sex Offenders are the second-most LEAST likely to re-offend. Murderers are the least likely to re-offend. (I assume that's because they done killed all the people that needed killing but reality doesn't always mirror the amusing things I have in my head.)

      They were claiming that Sex Offenders could not be rehabilitated and should be shot. (I assume they're a closet pedo.) I figured that wasn't true so I went out and dug up some of that data stuff. As I recall, they called me a fag and a hippie. It was not, shall we say, the most productive chats I've had on Slashdot but I did learn something new.

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    10. Re:The system screwed up... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Well, I recommend we sentence that computer to 365 days of Windows ME.

      FTFY

  4. That's rather sickening. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not the error - lol software - the jackboots on the ground trying to round up people who thought they were on the up and up.

    Imagine getting your life back together, scraping together money to get a place to live, maybe somehow managing to land a job... And now you're back in the slammer.

    That's not going to make anyone bitter or wanting to just give the hell up, I'm sure. Hooray for future increases in recividism.

    1. Re:That's rather sickening. by houghi · · Score: 1

      I wonder if they sign sort of paper or receive some sort of paper or proof that indicates that they are released. And I wonder if there is then some sort of disclaimer that says 'you are free, unless we fuck up and then you are not free anymore, because fuck you.'

      If not, they will probably just say they are fugitives and shoot them on sight.

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    2. Re:That's rather sickening. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Posting anon due to mod... Anyway, by and large most people released from prison will be on probation for a long time. Usually terms of probation are that if you violate it (commit a crime or violate any orders given to you for example to stay away from someone or to not use alcohol or something) then you could get some jail time or some punishment.

  5. Idiocracy at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not Sure: Uh, ya I'm not supposed to be in this line, I'm actually supposed to be getting out of here.
    Guard: You're in the wrong line, Dumbass, the line to get out is over there...
    Not Sure: Thanks
    walks out

  6. They should fight it out in court befor going back by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They should fight it out in court before going back in demand a trail before the can be put back in to prison.

  7. Brilliant software developers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ....that cannot do simple addition.

    1. Re:Brilliant software developers.... by PRMan · · Score: 1

      I guarantee you there is an e-mail saying that the users tested it completely and it works properly.

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    2. Re:Brilliant software developers.... by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      User testing tests the UI, not every possible software function. If you are using UAT as the only test of functionality, then the software developer is doing it wrong.

    3. Re:Brilliant software developers.... by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 1

      Hey, calendars are really hard.
      I wish they would make a library for that, or something...

    4. Re:Brilliant software developers.... by jmcvetta · · Score: 1

      Even with good libraries to do the math, handling dates can be difficult. In large part this is due to the ambiguous way people talk about dates in natural language.

      Consider a simple example: It's Sunday. An associate says "let's have a meeting next Tuesday." Will you meet 2 days later, or 8 days later? In my experience it's about a 50/50 ratio which meaning was intended by the speaker.

    5. Re:Brilliant software developers.... by Ambient+Sheep · · Score: 1

      Agreed, and it also helps if you know that 2 + 7 = 9, not 8... ;-)

  8. Easy fix by ashshy · · Score: 1

    Should just have used Date::Manip from the start.

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    1. Re:Easy fix by ashshy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, yeah. And what are the chances that this system was written in Perl anyway? Just dropping a bad and terribly niche joke here, my friend.

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  9. "Up to?" by snarfies · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is that "Up to" as in, we don't actually KNOW a number?

    I actually find that to be the more alarming issue.

  10. Re:They should fight it out in court befor going b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They should fight it out in court before going back in demand a trail before the can be put back in to prison.

    A long and dusty trail at that.

  11. Cruel and Unusual by JimSadler · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think releasing an inmate and then trying to put him back in prison due to an error in the system constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. On the other hand, I think illegal drugs and drunkenness are such a huge problem that we should execute all caught driving drunk or possessing any amount of illegal drugs to be executed within 48 hours of their arrest on the first offense. And I include even the very young in that as well. I don't care if it is an eleven year old smoking crack. He should be put to death at once.

    1. Re:Cruel and Unusual by dex22 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It occurred to me that if we replaced airbags with shotgun cartridges people might start driving carefully and stop running into other cars and things.

    2. Re:Cruel and Unusual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It was the original intent. The airbag is just a clerical error.

    3. Re:Cruel and Unusual by bentcd · · Score: 1

      It occurred to me that if we replaced airbags with shotgun cartridges people might start driving carefully and stop running into other cars and things.

      No they wouldn't. This isn't very far from the state of affairs before seatbelts became mandatory equipment, and nobody cared much back then that people were dying in droves. Not even the drivers themselves. (Volvo cared though, and invented seatbelts.)

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    4. Re:Cruel and Unusual by omnichad · · Score: 1

      You'd have to hit the steering wheel pretty hard with your head to detonate that embedded shotgun cartridge.

    5. Re:Cruel and Unusual by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      I remember reading that the windows and windshields used to be made of ordinary glass, which caused horrible and fatal mutilations due to being turned into flying glass shards.

    6. Re:Cruel and Unusual by Paul+Carver · · Score: 1

      Just buy a Honda. The airbag shoots metal fragments at the driver. It's known to cause fatalities. Of course you can't make that decision for other people, but feel free to get one for yourself if you think it will help your driving.

    7. Re:Cruel and Unusual by KGIII · · Score: 1

      The person you're replying too is a bit mistaken. Volvo did not invent or even introduce the first seat belts. That's a common mistake found on the internet. I'm a car aficionado but not an automobile historian. I also own two Volvos. What an engineer for Volvo *did* invent was the 3-point safety harness (seat belt). Lots of other cars had belts prior to that. I've seen a Nash from the 40s that had factory belts.

      I love Volvo and all but, well... Hmm, lemme find a source 'cause someone might argue (everyone seem to think Volvo invented 'em)...

      Here you go:
      http://www.volvocars.com/intl/...

      That's from Volvo themselves. If they'd invented the seat belt then they'd have listed it. They don't. They specifically mention having invented the 3 point system. Come to think of it, I've seen some old Saabs that had lap belts too. I dunno when those came out or anything.

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  12. "software"? by Kevoco · · Score: 1

    More like "Excel spreadsheet"

  13. Tracking them down again? by cshark · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can they do that after they've been released?

    Why not just leave these people alone? Why as a taxpayer am I being forced to re-incarcerate anyone?

    It's bad enough that we have this many people in jail to begin with. Who exactly does re-incarcerating people benefit? Most jails in America are overpopulated to begin with, and now... we want to put more people in?

    Software issue or not, this is stupid.

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    1. Re:Tracking them down again? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Why not just leave these people alone?

      Because they didn't spend the amount of time in jail that their sentence called for.

      Why as a taxpayer am I being forced to re-incarcerate anyone?

      The cost of collecting the people who were mistakenly released is probably very small in most cases compared to the cost of their actual incarceration. So what you're really asking is, "Why should taxpayers foot the bill for putting criminals in jail?" Are you suggesting that we bill their families, instead? Who else did you think was going to pay for maintaining a convicted criminal's time in prison?

      It's bad enough that we have this many people in jail to begin with.

      That is definitely true. Fewer people should commit crimes.

      Who exactly does re-incarcerating people benefit?

      It's finishing the incarceration we're talking about, here. So what you're really asking is, "Who exactly does incarcerating a criminal benefit?" Let me guess, you don't think criminals should ever be locked up, right? Otherwise you'd be able to answer your own phony question.

      we want to put more people in?

      No, we want to keep the people who are still supposed to be in, in.

      Software issue or not, this is stupid.

      Making convicted criminals complete their prison sentences is stupid?

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    2. Re:Tracking them down again? by armanox · · Score: 1

      Depends on the crime. I don't think that most of the people in prison/jail belong there. It only makes them a further liability to society. Instead of making people totally worthless, how about we either A- have better alternatives to a for-profit prison system, like public humiliation, or B - actually make something useful out of these people?

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    3. Re:Tracking them down again? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      how about we either A- have better alternatives to a for-profit prison system

      So you'd rather have a prison run by volunteers? By people who don't make a living while dealing with criminals?

      public humiliation

      So, if someone wrecks your business, or steals from you, or rapes your daughter, or kills your friend ... public humiliation! There, everything's better now.

      Why do you think that people who don't have the integrity to hold off on committing crimes are going to care about your idea of humiliation? Or are you advocating for something really, really atrocious and cruel? Ever read that part of the constitution? You know, the part that makes that totally off limits?

      actually make something useful out of these people?

      OK, so you've got one of "these people" in custody because they just used a machete to lop the hands off of a rival gang member from MS-13. What did you have in mind - chain gang landscaping crews? Forced factory work? Be specific instead of dishing out meaningless, contradictory platitudes.

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    4. Re:Tracking them down again? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      It's bad enough that we have this many people in jail to begin with.

      That is definitely true. Fewer people should commit crimes.

      We have more than anywhere else in the world. At some point we have to admit we have a problem. It was a good idea when it was pitched in the '50s as a means of making every Black man a felon, so we could strip all them of the right to vote. But it turns out that experiment was a failure. How many centuries until we admit that error and correct it?

      As much as you don't want to admit it, putting people in prison *causes* crime.

      Making convicted criminals complete their prison sentences is stupid?

      No, violating the release terms of the citizens is wrong and evil. They were released by the prison, with full release papers and the complete process followed. That contract should be honored.

    5. Re:Tracking them down again? by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      Why as a taxpayer am I being forced to re-incarcerate anyone?

      You're paying so the person can repay his debt to you. Or something.

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    6. Re:Tracking them down again? by flopsquad · · Score: 1

      Tsk tsk. Feeding the troll rational responses is still feeding the troll.

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    7. Re:Tracking them down again? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      As much as you don't want to admit it, putting people in prison *causes* crime.

      So let me get this straight. You go into a liquor store and threaten to kill someone if they don't give you their money. You get caught, and are put into prison for being a violent douche. Being put into prison is what, through time travel, causes you to have committed the crime in the first place.

      You would prefer the scenario where: You go into a liquor store and threaten to kill someone if they don't give you their money. You get caught. You are given a pat on the head, and the lack of consequence for being a violent douche magically causes you to change your ways and never do such a thing again.

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    8. Re:Tracking them down again? by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      You would prefer the scenario where: You go into a liquor store and threaten to kill someone if they don't give you their money. You get caught. You are given a pat on the head, and the lack of consequence for being a violent douche magically causes you to change your ways and never do such a thing again.

      That's what happens when young rich white kids do it. And they grow up to not be in prison. It's not about a single person, but when the system is so obviously rigged, it makes the system fail to work. Prison isn't a deterrent when someone expects to end up there no matter what they do. Sandra Bland was pulled over for a trivial traffic offense, and ended up dead in jail. That's the reality. That you don't like reality, and that reality causes crime, won't change reality.

    9. Re:Tracking them down again? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      A corporation lost some profit due to an administrative error. That cannot go uncorrected.

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    10. Re:Tracking them down again? by armanox · · Score: 1

      Except most people in jail are none of the above. Either that, or you really don't know what crime statistics look like in American cities, or have family that is or has been in jail.

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    11. Re:Tracking them down again? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Sandra Bland was pulled over for a trivial traffic offense

      Right. But then she didn't act anything like a person being cited for a traffic violation. And when she ended up being brought in she (as she'd tried multiple times before) killed herself. That is the reality. You're saying that, through some sort of time travel, her mental inability to act normally and her existing suicidal tendencies caused her detainment, which in turn rippled back through time and caused her to be arrested? Do you even listen to yourself?

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    12. Re:Tracking them down again? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      But then she didn't act anything like a person being cited for a traffic violation.

      Yeah, she acted like an uppity Nigger, and deserved to die.

      The cop asked her if she was nervous. She said yes. The cop asked why (hoping to hear something incriminating) , and she said she was nervous because she was pulled over. The cop then asked her "are you done yet" because her direct answer to his direct question took more than 3 words, and she responded that she was just answering his question. The cop recognized the uppity bitch was right, and so he arrested her.

      It was a by the book lynching for the '60s or '70s, but a little out of place for today, with all the privileged whites on Slashdot excusing the illegal arrest.

      I'm sure it was a suicide. Like the guy a few years ago in Texas with documented death threats for dating white women who beat himself up, then lynched himself with a pulley (in a manner that was physically impossible to hang himself with). Ruled a suicide, no investigation needed. Same here. When you hear the same story a million times, proven false most of them, it makes the few that might be true sound like lies and cover-ups.

  14. Idiotic that people will be put back in prison. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Early estimates indicate the offenders were released from prison an average 55 days before their correct release dates, according to Inslee’s general counsel, Nicholas Brown.

    Seriously? We're going to track down people who've likely served years in prison just so they can serve (on average) another 55 days? This is incredibly idiotic. Here's why:


    1. It's expensive to put people back in prison.
      Anyone who has a job would likely lose their job when they have to serve another month in prison. Thus making their life MORE unstable, and creating more crime. This is the exact opposite of what our prison system is supposed to do.
      It was the states stupid error in the first place, and no fault of the former inmate.
  15. Python by mstefanro · · Score: 1

    Pretty sure there's a built-in Python module to manage inmates' sentences.

    1. Re:Python by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 1

      Nope, no Python module, the Feds don't trust the Snakes. Emacs does have a key-combo to try, convict and manage sentences though.

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    2. Re:Python by vikingpower · · Score: 1

      Being an emacs aficionado myself, I find this the funniest remark on slashdot this year. But hey - there's eight days to go, yet.

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  16. Requirements, requirements, requirements... by blueshift_1 · · Score: 1

    I've always found 90% of software bugs come from requirements gathering/domain analysis. Especially when you are trying convert the law into code.

    1. Re:Requirements, requirements, requirements... by oneiros27 · · Score: 2

      A few years ago, I saw a talk by someone from the IRS. They said that they were trying to get Congress to use a reduced set of sentence constructions, as quite a bit of analyst's time is in trying to figure out what the hell the laws passed mean, and trying to translate it into logic they can put into their software.

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    2. Re:Requirements, requirements, requirements... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      The weird thing is, the Law already is code. I mean, not only does it call the list of rules a "code" but it shares many features and problems of software code.

      For instance, there is a lot of duplication of effort—descriptions of sections codified within the sections themselves; tables of contents distributed at multiple levels of the structure willy-nilly (not sure the software analog of this..); attempts to avoid duplication by referencing other laws or sections of other laws; and a weird runtime patching system in which the effects of old laws are modified by the text of newer ones.

      The US Code is long overdue for a refactor, and indeed would probably benefit greatly from many of the lessons learned in software development.

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    3. Re:Requirements, requirements, requirements... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      You forgot that the results of a UAT for unrelated code will change the constants across all the code. It's called "case law" in law, no idea what it would be called in code.

      The single thing that would benefit law best is a sunset clause on laws. Explicit action needed to renew silly laws would help clean up some of the stupid ones. Though, it'd have to be written intelligently, or we'd get a "renew all laws" vote at the start of every session, and no review of the laws themselves.

    4. Re: Requirements, requirements, requirements... by wik · · Score: 1

      Case law could be considered LD_PRELOAD.

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  17. Knowledge of math is sometimes important by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    Those who write software, even if it's a spreadsheet calculation, sometimes need to understand the distributive and commutative rules of arithmetic. Actual knowledge of the names of these terms doesn't excuse one for understanding the principles of arithmetic. No higher math needed.

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    1. Re:Knowledge of math is sometimes important by Streetlight · · Score: 1

      Perhaps theoretical mathematicians see what I see as pretty simple concepts of arithmetic as higher math. OK, I can go with that but on the practical level maybe not so much. One of you stated the math involved here is high school math. I think I learned that the result of 3 times 4 is the same as 4 times 3 or the result of 3 + 4 is the same as 4 +3 in elementary school. One should obviously know that the result of 4x(3 +1) is also the same as 4x3 + 4x1 but not the same as 4x3 + 1 which may be the mistake made by the prison officials.

      In talking to a HS math teacher he pointed out that much of his first year HS algebra course is 5th grade arithmetic since his students' math experience was at that level coming out of middle school. No wonder one-third of HS grads need remedial work when they get to college.

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    2. Re:Knowledge of math is sometimes important by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Knowing the math is irrelevant if the person who gives you the equation writes it wrong.

    3. Re:Knowledge of math is sometimes important by Streetlight · · Score: 1

      Clearly everyone along the "chain of command" need to know math, including the legislature writing the law, the governor who signs and orders it implementation of the law, and the many likely members of the prison hierarchy who will interpret the rules that go to the ultimate coder. My guess is there is no equation in any of these communications and it's not likely that there is much, if any, reverse communication back up the chain.

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  18. Go back?? WTF by Ostrich25 · · Score: 1

    Finish their terms? No. You let them out, they stay out. They're trying to rebuild their lives, don't fuck them over by making them lose jobs and go back to prison because you programmed a computer incorrectly.

  19. so, not really a bug at all... by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The software involved applied the inmates' good behavior credits to each section of their sentence

    So we're going to have to refactor the code to include subroutines and functions that support the US criminal justice systems perogative of biblical retribution it seems. For those worried about the inmates released, you can sleep soundly tonight knowing they are barred from most forms of employment, voting, public assistance, loans, and education grants after being released under the auspices that they are now rehabilitated. homeless shelters will also refuse service in many cases to convicted felons. So thanks to this system the only thing an early release ensures is an early re-incarceration due to a life-by-default of petty theft and drug trade.

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    1. Re:so, not really a bug at all... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      In most States, convicts can vote but some make you wait until you get off probation. The detainees at the corrections facility voted via absentee ballot. I know the inmates in Maine's DOC are all encouraged to vote - it has been on the news and I've done some minimal looking into it. I forget which states disallow it but they're mostly in the South and there aren't a whole lot of 'em as I recall.

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  20. Re:They should fight it out in court befor going b by DarkTempes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With what money are they going to hire a lawyer to do that?

  21. Re:They should fight it out in court befor going b by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    public defender / a rights lawsuit where the lawyers will come to them

  22. Nothing to see. Move along. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Informative

    Folks, most of these "early releases" were around 45 days early. Nothing to see. Move along.

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    1. Re:Nothing to see. Move along. by CraigCruden · · Score: 1

      Nothing to see -- move on if they they just treated the sentences as commuted and served. It would be vindictive and cruel punishment to track them down and lock them up for 45 days -- forcing them to be unemployed disrupting their families -- for a mistake not of their making.

  23. Why our system is broken by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    for example, using a firearm might add five years on top of the base sentence

    Because threatening to shoot someone is soooo much worse than threatening to beat them with a bat or stab them if they don't comply.

  24. Re:They should fight it out in court befor going b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good luck with that. The Marshal Service is just going to show up and put them in handcuffs; it's not going to be a discussion. You can't get justice once you're in the system... and apparently not once you're out, either.

  25. Awesome turn around time on the bugfixing by klingens · · Score: 1

    They found the problem in 2012 and it took until 2016 to actually fix this relatively minor problem with big consequences?
    Apparently the state of Washington has outsourced this software and its maintenance to their biggest taxpayer, Microsoft. No other way there is any reason to wait for a bugfix for four years.

  26. Will they get one by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    a public defender that is. They're not accused of a crime. At any rate the public defenders are so underfunded they're barely useful. By the time a pro-bono charity gets involved a lot of them will have finished their sentence...

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  27. ah by dlt074 · · Score: 1

    spoken like someone who has never relied on a public defender.

  28. these algorithms may be immensely complicated by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Three years ago an accidentally released white gang member killed the head of Colorado Prisons dressed as a pizza delivery guy (he killed the pizza guy for his coat and car too). The killer had been accidentally released years early. A subsequent audit of prisoner sentences found a one third error rate. Both in undercalculating bad behavior extensions or over calculating good behavior reductions.

    1. Re:these algorithms may be immensely complicated by banjonz · · Score: 1

      Why was the head of Colorado Prisons dressed as a pizza delivery guy? I also hope he was convicted of the murder. Seriously, with English as a specification language, no wonder mistakes happen.

  29. QC? by Murdoch5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's almost as if you can hire people to test your software to make sure MAJOR problems like this don't sneak through. This is not an obscure memory leak, which lead to a date error causing a segfault, this is a MAJOR requirement being mis-implemented, which I'm sure is just as much on the requirements level as it is on the coding level.

  30. Re:They should fight it out in court befor going b by Adriax · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The tough on crime crowd, also known as the board of directors of for-profit prisons, has done a fine job of kneecapping public defenders. To the point that in some areas they have as little as 15 minutes on average to dedicate to a particular case. As such people who can't afford a private lawyer are told to just plead guilty and take whatever leniency the judge feels like granting that day, even if there is clear cut evidence of their innocence. Add in mandatory minimums and you get a nice steady stream of easy convicts the prisons rake in profit from.

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  31. This is not a software error.... by NecroPuppy · · Score: 1

    This is software working exactly as written. An error would be it adding 2 + 2 and getting 3.99999999999997.

    This is an error of either the coder, who didn't want to bother coding in the exceptions to the good behavior rules, or the project manager who didn't provide the good behavior exceptions to the coder, or perhaps even the state, for not highlighting the necessity of the exceptions to the software provider.

    The code is blameless here. #notallcode

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  32. Re:minor drug offenses should have no jail / priso by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    the cost to lock people up is high

  33. Re:Software error in your favor: go directly to ja by omnichad · · Score: 1

    In whose favor?

  34. They probably outsourced that pesky 'coding' work by bADlOGIN · · Score: 1

    ...and are now totally getting what they deserve.

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  35. Read the Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article gives a little more insight than the headline.
    There will be a one for one standard - those who have remained crime-free for 10 days, for example, will be excused for 10 days of sentence.
    But, those who were released 600 days early have to go in and finish their time.

    1. Re:Read the Article by sglewis100 · · Score: 2

      Yeah whatever. You probably made that up. Like someone on Slashdot would actually read the article. Please!

    2. Re:Read the Article by KGIII · · Score: 1

      What's this "article" you speak of?

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  36. Technically not Uncle Same by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    Technically speaking, this isn't 'Uncle Sam', which would be the federal government. This is the Washington state correctional system that's being petty. Generally speaking, shorter sentences than we assign here in the states are better for various reasons.

    So - Either we track down these released felons, who are doing what they're supposed to, in which case we don't need to spend the ~$50k/year to lock them up, or they're back to criminal behavior, in which case they'll show back up in prison from that.

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  37. Re:It's not Uncle Sam by wyHunter · · Score: 1

    It's probably pot. Washington (state) toked up long before they made it legal.

  38. Found in 2012... still not fixed by ArcadeNut · · Score: 2

    Amazing.... They probably could have re-written the software from scratch in that amount of time....

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  39. So much laughable by sentiblue · · Score: 1

    I'm confused... is it even legal to put people back in jail after they have been officially released of their term, for a crime they already served?

    I don't give a damn if they were mistakenly released... if someone got out and have started their life over and now put back because the gov made a stupid mistake... who should pay for the inconvenience?

    And why the hell did it take 3 years to fix such an error? In my knowledge, based on 15 years of professional experience, this type of software bug takes one person a few hours to fix. Plus the national coordination to apply the fix, it still takes 6 months max.

  40. Corrections Department or Telco? by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

    The Corrections Department is now trying to track down released inmates to make some of them finish their terms.

    Replace "The Corrections Department" with the name of your favourite Telco and it still sounds plausable!

  41. How about we get rid of time based sentencing? by Firethorn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Once you are caught and sentenced, that's it. Do the time. If you don't behave in prison, you get MORE time.

    How about we get rid of time based sentences period? You're sentenced, not to X years, but to a program that must be completed. Which program you end up in depends on your crime and circumstances.

    Say you're a high school dropout caught breaking into cars to steal shit to feed your drug habit. You get 'sentenced' to an education and drug treatment program. Once you've gotten your GED and completed rehab, you're released.
    On the other hand, take a high school graduate gang banger dealer. That sentencing might be to an anti-gang course and trade school/associates degree. Bust your ass, out in a year. Don't bother? You could be there for the next 20...

    Come back? Well, next step up in the program - much more difficult.

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  42. Re:Took how many YEARS for a patch??? by kellymcdonald78 · · Score: 1

    The fact it took 4 YEARS to fix a bug?!?!?!?!?!?

  43. Re:They should fight it out in court befor going b by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Could they sue? Time and money invested in building a new life up wasted due to the incompetence of the state. Compensation for loss of job, property etc.

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  44. Re:They should fight it out in court befor going b by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

    The tough on crime crowd, also known as the board of directors of for-profit prisons

    Actually the people who put the biggest lobbying pressure on being "tough on crime" are the prison guard unions, and indeed, there's a lot of scandal and coverup involved in it too.

    http://mic.com/articles/41531/...
    http://www.nationalreview.com/...
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    In fact, in a lot of states they're the biggest one pushing against legalization of Marijuana. Why? Because it gives them LOTS of job security, perhaps more so than any other crime. But, don't let the pro union types hear this, or else you'll get an earful about how unions are in it to protect the working man...

  45. I am pretty sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There will be suicides.

  46. Re:Took how many YEARS for a patch??? by QuebecNerd · · Score: 1

    To the developers:

    Find that line of code: remaining_sentence = (base_sentence - good_behavior) + (extra_time - good_behavior)

    Replace with this line: remaining_sentence = (base_sentence - good_behavior) + extra_time

    There...fixed it for you.

    Hope this help.

  47. Re:Good Time by show+me+altoids · · Score: 1

    I love the way your sig (which you probably didn't even think of when you posted this) is a perfect reply to the rest of your post.

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  48. In time for the Black Lives Matter rally by spkay31 · · Score: 1

    Merry Christmas America!