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Pirate Bay Cofounder Utterly Bankrupts the Music Industry (torrentfreak.com)

JustAnotherOldGuy writes: Peter "brokep" Sunde, co-founder of The Pirate Bay, has built a machine that makes 100 copies per second of Gnarls Barkley's "Crazy," storing them in /dev/null (which is of course, deleting them even as they're created). The machine, called a "Kopimashin," is cobbled together out of a Raspberry Pi, some hacky python that he doesn't want to show anyone, and an LCD screen that calculates a running tally of the damages he's inflicted upon the record industry through its use. The 8,000,000 copies it makes every day costs the record industry $10m/day in losses. At that rate, they'll be bankrupt in a few weeks at most.

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  1. I'll buy him another by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If it will speed up the process and kill them faster.

    1. Re:I'll buy him another by linear+a · · Score: 2

      At $100,000 fine per copy he'll go broke a lot faster than the music industry does. And he'll bankrupt the whole Earth in about 5 months.

    2. Re:I'll buy him another by matbury · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He should open source his hacky Python code so that everyone who wants can join in and speed up the process. I've got a Raspberry Pi sitting here just waiting to bring down the entire music industry. I'd like to start with Celine Dion's, Brian Adams', and Justin Bieber's record companies and move on from there.

    3. Re:I'll buy him another by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Canada must have really pissed you off...

    4. Re:I'll buy him another by flappinbooger · · Score: 2

      At $100,000 fine per copy he'll go broke a lot faster than the music industry does. And he'll bankrupt the whole Earth in about 5 months.

      no, it's ok, he's not uploading it to anyone.

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  2. That bad... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know a song is really bad is when it goes straight to /dev/null without being heard.

    1. Re:That bad... by pr0fessor · · Score: 4, Funny

      There may be a guinness world record in there. "The song with the most deleted copies."

    2. Re:That bad... by jd2112 · · Score: 4, Funny

      mv Justin_Beiber /dev/null

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    3. Re:That bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I tried that but just got back the message

      "Error: There's some things even I don't want"

    4. Re: That bad... by robi5 · · Score: 5, Funny

      That would be U2

    5. Re:That bad... by Coisiche · · Score: 5, Funny

      So you actually have a directory called Justin_Beiber?

      No wonder you're posting as AC.

    6. Re:That bad... by ebvwfbw · · Score: 2

      [localhost.localdomain]$ mv Justin_Beiber /dev/null

      Error - /dev/null has enough crap in it already. Please simply unlink it.

  3. He should use... by valnar · · Score: 2

    a Miley Cyrus track instead. At least make a secondary point as you're doing that.

    1. Re:He should use... by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      He tried, but even /dev/null didn't want to accept this as input.

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    2. Re:He should use... by lgw · · Score: 2

      Her tracks can only be destroyed in the forge of evil where they were made. So just send em to dev/mordor/mtdoom/null and it works great.

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  4. Accounting 101 by sunderland56 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These are not losses. They are unrealized potential profit. Nobody is actually losing anything.

    (Well, other than /dev/null, which is going to go insane very soon after being forced to listen to Gnars Barkley).

    1. Re:Accounting 101 by jaymz666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That would be the point, no?

      That many of the copies downloaded would be unrealised sales in any case

    2. Re:Accounting 101 by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the point is a bit weak. If he were to try to make this argument in a courtroom to argue that the RIAA's standard for lost sales is unreasonable, the RIAA attorneys would simply say that he's not "making available" copies, that he's akin to a factory churning out knockoff purses and throwing them in a furnace - nobody would say, the attorneys would argue, that those knockoff purses that are immediately destroyed are lost sales. However - back to their standard argument - a person who downloads a song they want is a potential buyer who will no longer buy the song.

      The RIAA argument is still of course wrong, but this stunt has no bearing on the wrongness of their argument because it doesn't affect anything that they're actually arguing about - other humans who want a song acquiring it without paying for it.

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    3. Re:Accounting 101 by arth1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Peter Sunde risks falling within non-infringing use here, with a satirical art installation. That would defeat his purpose, I would think.

      It would have been a much more convincing argument if he, as he made the copies transferred them to Gottfried and Fredrik, who then played them at super-speed before deleting them.

      Or uploaded the song to pastebin or somewhere, one bit at a time. When, exactly, would the copyright infringement kick in?

    4. Re:Accounting 101 by vux984 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think the point is a bit weak. If he were to try to make this argument in a courtroom to argue that the RIAA's standard for lost sales is unreasonable,

      Ah; but how often does the RIAA actually attempt to establish lost sales, aka ACTUAL DAMAGES?

      From what I've seen they tend to collect on Statutory damages.

      he's akin to a factory churning out knockoff purses and throwing them in a furnace - nobody would say, the attorneys would argue, that those knockoff purses that are immediately destroyed are lost sales.

      True. But it IS enough to trigger statutory damages; which do not require any actual damages to be established, nor indeed to even hypothetically exist.

      but this stunt has no bearing on the wrongness of their argument because it doesn't affect anything that they're actually arguing about - other humans who want a song acquiring it without paying for it.

      I think this exercise, if nothing else highlights the absurdity of 'statutory damages'. Not to mention that any media coverage it gets brings attention to the larger real issues with current copyright law.

      And I think if the RIAA were required to demonstrate the actual harm an individual sharer tends to cause the whole thing would fall apart. e.g. if my upload ratio is 20 on an a song, i've effectively supplied 20 copies of that song. That puts the actual maximum harm at $20 for that song if we assume everybody that downloaded it would have paid retail for it if it wasn't available.

      And even that's ridiculous on its face. 8 of them wouldn't have bothered to get the song at all. 5 more didn't care about the quality and would have ripped it from youtube or spotify or the end credits of the movie it was used in, or the radio, or made a copy of a friends CD, or something. 3 of them are children who don't have the dollar, 3 more are from countries where the song isn't readily available or a 1$ is their daily food budget.. leaving one guy who wanted a high quality track, and would have paid for it if he hadn't been able to just download it. Actual damages to music industry: $1

  5. I do the same thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...but with the Koran. Let's seem 'em come and jihad me!

    1. Re:I do the same thing... by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      Burn a flag and a bible in Colorado Springs, see what happens to you.

  6. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    As an audiophile, I am able to hear music even from /dev/null. So good luck with arguing in court that the copies are useless.

    1. Re:Well by glitch! · · Score: 2

      As an audiophile, I am able to hear music even from /dev/null.

      The same way a file encrypted with a one-time pad can be decoded as a pornographic novel?

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    2. Re:Well by arth1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Speaking of...

      If I XOR an MP3 file with a one time pad, and upload the file to somewhere, but keep the pad secret, have I created an illegal copy?

      What if I upload the pad the day after the copyrights for the song expire?

      What if I the pad was never stored anywhere, but discarded byte for byte as it encrypted the file?

      What if the file was resampled to 1 bps first?

      The problem is that the music industry and politicians wants black/white laws that work in their favor, while common sense says that unless the copyrighted work is of value to the recipient, there can't be an infringement.

  7. Re:brilliantly absurd and hilarious by SJHillman · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sorry, I sent Beatles.Revolution.mp3 to /dev/null

  8. Re:Now explain that to the judge by cfc-12 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clearly it's the same mechanism by which the sun's energy is being sucked up by those solar panels in Woodland, NC.

  9. Howdy partner, another audiophile here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now that you mention it, I am noticing a tiny itty-bitty quality loss caused by storing the FLAC bits in /dev/null. Are you able to notice this quality loss?

    1. Re:Howdy partner, another audiophile here by plover · · Score: 5, Funny

      My /dev/null has a hand rubbed walnut finish, a tube stage feeding a hand-wound transformer, polarized cables, Ukranian porcelain stand-offs, and anti-magnetic monopoles crafted from moon rocks to lower the noise floor. It's extremely danceable.

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  10. 1-to-1 loss, bad math by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The 8,000,000 copies it makes every day costs the record industry $10m/day in losses. At that rate, they'll be bankrupt in a few weeks at most.

    This implies an 80-cents loss per copy, which probably makes the incorrect assumption that almost every copy prevents a legitimate sell (of roughly $1 per song).

    Often people will take something given for free even though they would otherwise NOT purchase it if the free option didn't exist. And often they are just test-listening to a song to see if they like it.

    If I'm walking down the hall at work and somebody offers me a free donut, there's a pretty good chance I'd take it even if it's not my favorite kind. But put that very same donut for sale at a typical donut price, then I'd be much less likely to purchase it because likely it's not the flavor I want and/or I don't really feel like a donut at that time, at least not enough to part with cash for it.

    I suspect the real lost-sales ratio for songs is more like 10-to-1.

    Industry lobbyists often make the 1-for-1 false assumption in loss claims. I don't know whether its ignorance or spin, but suspect the second.

    1. Re:1-to-1 loss, bad math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uh, you do realize this is exactly the point he is trying to make, right?

    2. Re:1-to-1 loss, bad math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that's the point. Showing that the industry claiming millions in losses from downloads is ridiculously exaggerated.

    3. Re:1-to-1 loss, bad math by show+me+altoids · · Score: 2

      If I'm walking down the hall at work and somebody offers me a free donut, there's a pretty good chance I'd take it even if it's not my favorite kind. But put that very same donut for sale at a typical donut price, then I'd be much less likely to purchase it because likely it's not the flavor I want and/or I don't really feel like a donut at that time, at least not enough to part with cash for it.

      But does eating that donut fill you up and make you decide to not buy a donut yourself when you otherwise would have? Then it's still a lost sale.

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    4. Re:1-to-1 loss, bad math by KitFox · · Score: 2

      True. It does not change the general premise of the post.

      The entire premise behind the device is to protest the claim that was made and believed that sent him to jail and has him owing millions in debt. As TFA states: "The most important message, however, is that the millions of dollars in losses the industry claims from him and the other TPB founders are just as fictitious as the number displayed on the Kopimashin."

      It even goes so far as to say that the piracy is a net GAIN for the industry, and this could potentially make sense. Take the doughnut example:

      The friend offers ten doughnuts to ten people and three of them like the doughnut a lot, so end up each ordering a dozen doughnuts at the store at full price. Ten doughnuts loss, 36 doughnuts paid for. PROFIT! Loss leaders, free samples... all the same concept, and one that the industry is not understanding.

      A lot of words to say I agree with you. ;)

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    5. Re:1-to-1 loss, bad math by wassomeyob · · Score: 2

      Uh, you do realize this is exactly the point he is trying to make, right?

      Ya, like, whoosh. Merry Christmas, everyone.

  11. Re: Now explain that to the judge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Can we subpoena Mr Dev Null?
    We should charge and arrest Dev Null. What? It's not a person? Is this terrorism related? We should outlaw it. Usage of dev null aids the enemy. It's unamerican to use dev null."

  12. Copying is not theft by JBMcB · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Relevant to the discussion :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  13. Re:Wish he'd do that with Windows by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    Ironically, many believe MS turned a blind eye to pirating early on to gain market share, and eventually market lock-in. They only cracked down once they had a strangle-hold on the market. I do remember it was easy to copy some early MS software, even as other vendors put in more protections.

    It's yet another reason that pirating loss claims are often exaggerated or misleading.

    Then I wouldn't have to fix my grandma's Win10 machine every time she decides to punch the monkey.

    I'd be tempted to play if it were Sock Bill Gates.

  14. Re: Now explain that to the judge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sure. You can send anything you want to him. I wouldn't count on a reply, however.

  15. Reductio ad Absurdum by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Informative

    The refutation of a proposition by demonstrating the inevitably absurd conclusion to which it would logically lead.

  16. Re:Ron Burgundy: "That doesn't make sense" by allquixotic · · Score: 2

    Simple.

    1. He has the original track on some kind of non-volatile storage (probably a microUSB card).
    2. He has a tight loop where he reads that file out of non-volatile storage into RAM, then writes it to /dev/null (which is a no-op kernel-side, but there may be another memory copy involved), then frees the buffer, reads it from non-volatile storage again...

    Because the implementation of /dev/null's "write" method is to return the number of bytes passed in as an argument, all you're really doing is copying it around to different regions of system memory. So, technically, you could just have a tight loop where you have a copy of the song in one buffer, then memcpy() it to the second buffer, free the second buffer, and repeat.

  17. Re: Now explain that to the judge by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is actually very American to use /dev/null. Our economy depends on the destruction of goods.

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  18. Re:Oh the Humanity! by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

    Send them to /dev/null.

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  19. Not good enough! by kheldan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For maximum sarcasm, he needs to send each copy over the Internet, to another RPi -- which will store it in /dev/null. That ought to really frost them.

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  20. Re:brilliantly absurd and hilarious by RelaxedTension · · Score: 2

    It's not brilliant. It's stupid as shit and will accomplish nothing.

    Except that now many people are talking about this, and about the absurdity of the music industry calling copied songs actual monetary losses.

    Seems like it's accomplishing a lot, actually.

  21. the Kopimashin is illegal in England by dmoen · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Kopimashin is illegal in England:
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/17/high-court-quashes-regulations-copy-cds-musicians

    It might be illegal in other jurisdictions as well? And that's kind of the point of building it.

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  22. Re:/dev/null is uber fast! by show+me+altoids · · Score: 2

    We would probably all be amazed (or maybe not...) by the number of people who effectively are doing this by never testing the "restore" part of the "backup" procedure.

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  23. Re:This is "news"? by freeze128 · · Score: 2

    Brilliant! You have at your disposal an entire computer.... A machine DESIGNED for performing repetitive and tedious tasks, and you're asking *ME* to do math in my head? You're fired!

  24. Re:Now explain that to the judge by Catbeller · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or by the New Order's Planet Sun Cannon.

  25. Music Industry is fine, global economy collapses by MacTO · · Score: 2

    As others have noted, the music industry isn't losing money over this effort. What will actually happen is this:

    - The music industry will start lobbying to make the Raspberry Pi, LCD screens, Python, and /dev/null illegal since they are infringing devices.
    - Governments will pass legislation that reflects the interests of the music industry.
    - Huge swaths of economy will be stuck in the paper age until Unix systems can be patched to operate properly without /dev/null. A smaller segment of the economy will be stuck in paper age until programs incorporating Python itself or that are programmed in Python are replaced.
    - School children and electronics hobbyists will fill prisons and, upon release, find themselves unemployable because of their criminal records. The result is that there will be a lack of skilled labor to help the economy to recover in the years to come.
    - Microsoft and Apple will declare bankruptcy, as manufacturers find that they cannot produce enough CRTs in a timely manner and GUI-centric operating systems will be unable to adapt to consoles based upon LEDs and toggle switches fast enough.
    - On a positive note, the MPAA will collapse due to it's current dependence upon LCD technology to deliver its content to consumers.
    - On a negative note, the lack of competition will means the RIAA will take over.

  26. Re: Now explain that to the judge by mishehu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In America we'd [the police] would just invoke Civil Forfeiture and sue /dev/null for piracy (no, 'copyright infringement' is nowhere near politically charged enough). Then let /dev/null prove his innocence...

  27. that's "figuratively" bankrupt by swschrad · · Score: 3, Funny

    but hey, that's their measurements... bye, guys. sorta sucks having known ya. watching for my favorite artists to sell on their own websites...

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  28. Re: Now explain that to the judge by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually it seems lately that the economy depends on people buying more and more stuff and then renting self-storage lockers to store it in because they don't have enough room at home. I can't believe how many of the self-storage places are being built in my city.

    Mind you if people started buying their stuff in wood or bamboo it could be a great way to sequester carbon. Make whatever stuff people are going to buy and then have them store it in the lockers for ages.

  29. Re: Now explain that to the judge by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    My guess is rather that people have to move into smaller places and need some place to stuff their surplus crap because in this economy you can't find anyone to buy it.

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  30. Re:This is "news"? by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

    The point is, by the logic presented by the music industry and the logic used against Pirate Bay this WILL hurt them. He is proving that it will not, so therefore it begs the question why they were allowed to use this logic in the first place.

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  31. Re: Now explain that to the judge by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Consumption IS destruction from a purely economic point of view. It has the same net effect: Something is gone and needs to be replaced. The main difference being that consumption is something the buyer places positive aspects on while replacing something broken has a negative associated aspect.

    Consumption also has a positive, non-monetary aspect to the one doing it. Consumption is necessary or enjoyable. Or even both. Replacing something broken is neither. So even though on the pure economic side they represent the same (buyer buys something with the intent to remove it from the economic circuit), the non-monetary aspects are vastly different.

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