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Pirate Bay Cofounder Utterly Bankrupts the Music Industry (torrentfreak.com)
JustAnotherOldGuy writes: Peter "brokep" Sunde, co-founder of The Pirate Bay, has built a machine that makes 100 copies per second of Gnarls Barkley's "Crazy," storing them in /dev/null (which is of course, deleting them even as they're created). The machine, called a "Kopimashin," is cobbled together out of a Raspberry Pi, some hacky python that he doesn't want to show anyone, and an LCD screen that calculates a running tally of the damages he's inflicted upon the record industry through its use. The 8,000,000 copies it makes every day costs the record industry $10m/day in losses. At that rate, they'll be bankrupt in a few weeks at most.
If it will speed up the process and kill them faster.
You know a song is really bad is when it goes straight to /dev/null without being heard.
a Miley Cyrus track instead. At least make a secondary point as you're doing that.
These are not losses. They are unrealized potential profit. Nobody is actually losing anything.
(Well, other than /dev/null, which is going to go insane very soon after being forced to listen to Gnars Barkley).
...but with the Koran. Let's seem 'em come and jihad me!
As an audiophile, I am able to hear music even from /dev/null. So good luck with arguing in court that the copies are useless.
Sorry, I sent Beatles.Revolution.mp3 to /dev/null
And charge double!
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Clearly it's the same mechanism by which the sun's energy is being sucked up by those solar panels in Woodland, NC.
Now that you mention it, I am noticing a tiny itty-bitty quality loss caused by storing the FLAC bits in /dev/null. Are you able to notice this quality loss?
This implies an 80-cents loss per copy, which probably makes the incorrect assumption that almost every copy prevents a legitimate sell (of roughly $1 per song).
Often people will take something given for free even though they would otherwise NOT purchase it if the free option didn't exist. And often they are just test-listening to a song to see if they like it.
If I'm walking down the hall at work and somebody offers me a free donut, there's a pretty good chance I'd take it even if it's not my favorite kind. But put that very same donut for sale at a typical donut price, then I'd be much less likely to purchase it because likely it's not the flavor I want and/or I don't really feel like a donut at that time, at least not enough to part with cash for it.
I suspect the real lost-sales ratio for songs is more like 10-to-1.
Industry lobbyists often make the 1-for-1 false assumption in loss claims. I don't know whether its ignorance or spin, but suspect the second.
Table-ized A.I.
"Can we subpoena Mr Dev Null?
We should charge and arrest Dev Null. What? It's not a person? Is this terrorism related? We should outlaw it. Usage of dev null aids the enemy. It's unamerican to use dev null."
Relevant to the discussion :)
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Your 1 line of code doesn't calculate how many copies per second are being made, or reports how many copies were made after a period of time.
Ironically, many believe MS turned a blind eye to pirating early on to gain market share, and eventually market lock-in. They only cracked down once they had a strangle-hold on the market. I do remember it was easy to copy some early MS software, even as other vendors put in more protections.
It's yet another reason that pirating loss claims are often exaggerated or misleading.
I'd be tempted to play if it were Sock Bill Gates.
Table-ized A.I.
And he also thinks this somehow hurts the music industry? Private copies (not shared with anyone) are completely legal. I'm sure the RIAA would love for it to be "you bought the MP3 for that one device and need to buy it again for devices 2, 3, 4, etc, but this isn't the case right now. If I buy a CD and rip it (or buy the MP3 from a place like Amazon), I can copy it a million times all over my computers, phones, tablets, etc and there's nothing the music industry can do about it.
Now, if he had set up some sort of "automated dev/null file sharing network" where the system downloaded torrents and automatically deleted them, he might actually be able to make a statement. But essentially saying "I copied the file and deleted it a million times" says nothing except perhaps that you have too much free time.
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Sure. You can send anything you want to him. I wouldn't count on a reply, however.
The refutation of a proposition by demonstrating the inevitably absurd conclusion to which it would logically lead.
Simple.
1. He has the original track on some kind of non-volatile storage (probably a microUSB card). /dev/null (which is a no-op kernel-side, but there may be another memory copy involved), then frees the buffer, reads it from non-volatile storage again...
2. He has a tight loop where he reads that file out of non-volatile storage into RAM, then writes it to
Because the implementation of /dev/null's "write" method is to return the number of bytes passed in as an argument, all you're really doing is copying it around to different regions of system memory. So, technically, you could just have a tight loop where you have a copy of the song in one buffer, then memcpy() it to the second buffer, free the second buffer, and repeat.
It is actually very American to use /dev/null. Our economy depends on the destruction of goods.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Shows the nonsense of basing an economy on signals on a wire. It's time for a revolution.
The geek is wholly a creation of an economy based on intangible property and near instantaneous communication and computation. Signals on a wire. Come the revolution who does he think will be first against the wall?
Send them to /dev/null.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It's about copyright. DUH.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
For maximum sarcasm, he needs to send each copy over the Internet, to another RPi -- which will store it in /dev/null. That ought to really frost them.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Editors, in case you never studied journalism, headlines are supposed to give a concise summary of the content and grab the reader's attention. They aren't supposed to blatantly mislead about the content of the story.
We already had that dingbat headline about the guy hacking the celebrities like he was on a murder spree and there was another one a couple days ago.
It's not brilliant. It's stupid as shit and will accomplish nothing.
Except that now many people are talking about this, and about the absurdity of the music industry calling copied songs actual monetary losses.
Seems like it's accomplishing a lot, actually.
I was actually really surprised years ago that you could duplicate a windows install disk without having to do any fix up or emulation for drm.
Afaik you still can today with windows 10. As long as you have a genuine key your golden even if you installed from copy of a copy of a copy of a backup copy of a windows install disc.
Try doing that with pretty much any game.
Minimum threshold fixed. Thanks!
it will be news when the riaa and mpaa sue him for it. you will really see what loss of intelligence means then :p
a more sophisticated bourne shell version:
#!/bin/sh
cd /path/to/music
echo `find . -type f -name \*.mp3 -print | wc -l` copies per line of output
while : ; do find . -type f -name \*.mp3 -print0 | xargs -0 -n 25 cat | dd bs=4096 status=progress >/dev/null; done
The Kopimashin is illegal in England:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/17/high-court-quashes-regulations-copy-cds-musicians
It might be illegal in other jurisdictions as well? And that's kind of the point of building it.
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I guess the RIAA needs to exterminate all primates on the planet for potential copyright infringement, because we can take any million of them and have them poke away randomly at buttons marked '0' and '1', and eventually they'll re-create every song ever recorded, a clear violation of copyright law.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
We would probably all be amazed (or maybe not...) by the number of people who effectively are doing this by never testing the "restore" part of the "backup" procedure.
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Brilliant! You have at your disposal an entire computer.... A machine DESIGNED for performing repetitive and tedious tasks, and you're asking *ME* to do math in my head? You're fired!
And he also thinks this somehow hurts the music industry?
No, he doesn't actually think that. If anything he thinks the exact opposite, but really it's just a piece of performance designed to Make You Think.
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"Nobody is actually losing anything." Wait a minute... You don't think...
I hope at least *some* people see what brokep did there.
That beats Thunderf00t burning 40,000 copies of the Koran on a hard drive.
So is this why "breakage" is still a part of record contracts when selling music online?
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If it's John Cage, maybe?
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As others have noted, the music industry isn't losing money over this effort. What will actually happen is this:
- The music industry will start lobbying to make the Raspberry Pi, LCD screens, Python, and /dev/null illegal since they are infringing devices. /dev/null. A smaller segment of the economy will be stuck in paper age until programs incorporating Python itself or that are programmed in Python are replaced.
- Governments will pass legislation that reflects the interests of the music industry.
- Huge swaths of economy will be stuck in the paper age until Unix systems can be patched to operate properly without
- School children and electronics hobbyists will fill prisons and, upon release, find themselves unemployable because of their criminal records. The result is that there will be a lack of skilled labor to help the economy to recover in the years to come.
- Microsoft and Apple will declare bankruptcy, as manufacturers find that they cannot produce enough CRTs in a timely manner and GUI-centric operating systems will be unable to adapt to consoles based upon LEDs and toggle switches fast enough.
- On a positive note, the MPAA will collapse due to it's current dependence upon LCD technology to deliver its content to consumers.
- On a negative note, the lack of competition will means the RIAA will take over.
So can we just buy 1 album and then make free copies for the rest of the people interested in it?
Finally someone in the thread understands it properly. :)
Thank you.
In America we'd [the police] would just invoke Civil Forfeiture and sue /dev/null for piracy (no, 'copyright infringement' is nowhere near politically charged enough). Then let /dev/null prove his innocence...
Of course he doesn't. That's the whole point! According to the warped illogic put forth by the *AA in various courts, it should bankrupt them in a week or two. That's what he wants to get people to think about and question.
$ cp /dev/null/crazy.mp3 /usr/home/jdoe/music/
Our economy depends on the destruction of goods.
Or not.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
cp: cannot stat ‘/dev/null/crazy.mp3’: Not a directory
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
everyone can claim to be a member of the group 'humanity'. Anyone can download the album, and give those rights to a group. That may be a company, or it may be the whole of humanity.
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but hey, that's their measurements... bye, guys. sorta sucks having known ya. watching for my favorite artists to sell on their own websites...
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
"although I'd like it..."
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
serve process on it all you want.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
Except it's not actually *making* any copies of the content... it is sending them to /dev/null, which means that the content is being ignored. It may be doing this through the invocation of a copy-like command, but that doesn't mean that copies are actually being *made*, because that would require that the copies actually exist after they had allegedly been made.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Where is the mod for '+1, No Sense of Humor'?
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You are HEREBY COMMANDED TO APPEAR and bring with you the CONTENTS OF /dev/null
Actually it seems lately that the economy depends on people buying more and more stuff and then renting self-storage lockers to store it in because they don't have enough room at home. I can't believe how many of the self-storage places are being built in my city.
Mind you if people started buying their stuff in wood or bamboo it could be a great way to sequester carbon. Make whatever stuff people are going to buy and then have them store it in the lockers for ages.
Is it on CNN? Fox News? MSNBC? The BBC? Any national or international news station or website? If not, the GP AC is correct. Nothing will come of this. The average person won't ever hear about this.
That's not what I was referring to, but the fact that value adding only happens when a good is removed from the economy. Only when something is bought for consumption (and consumed, thus "destroyed") you actually generate true revenue. Everything bought for investment is required to 'pull its weight', so to speak, i.e. generate at least as much revenue in return.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
My guess is rather that people have to move into smaller places and need some place to stuff their surplus crap because in this economy you can't find anyone to buy it.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Not THAT'S comedy!
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What's the point? The "music industry" bogeyman doesn't even exist anymore in any real sense as the gateway for picking and choosing what music you listen to, and rewarding a handful of musicians and artists, or exploiting, as the case may be.
Thanks. I get you. But as you said, you meant "consumption" rather than "destruction." I was responding to the latter.
Peace out.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Now if we can take the same approach to the sports and political industry we could make some big moves forward:)
It's while [ true ]; do cat song.mp3 > /dev/null; done
And an incrementing variable that echoes it to /dev/ttyS0 or wherever the lcd hangs out. No Python necessary, it's pure overkill.
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The point is, by the logic presented by the music industry and the logic used against Pirate Bay this WILL hurt them. He is proving that it will not, so therefore it begs the question why they were allowed to use this logic in the first place.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
...the creativity of the creator, the machine doesn't really do what it's designed to do. Now if it were to distribute copies of the music to customers who were considering purchasing the music already, he might have something. The problem is that he'd run out of "Crazy" customers in about 3 seconds.
I was just reading this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window .. interesting.
Cause someone posted it below.. and I read it and went away and came back again. Beer is good .. that is all
Or node.js for non-blocking IO.
No because he's fast as hell and web-scale
Consumption IS destruction from a purely economic point of view. It has the same net effect: Something is gone and needs to be replaced. The main difference being that consumption is something the buyer places positive aspects on while replacing something broken has a negative associated aspect.
Consumption also has a positive, non-monetary aspect to the one doing it. Consumption is necessary or enjoyable. Or even both. Replacing something broken is neither. So even though on the pure economic side they represent the same (buyer buys something with the intent to remove it from the economic circuit), the non-monetary aspects are vastly different.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
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Chief Wiggum: Yeah, it's cheaper than blank tape.
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
The Kopimashin is illegal in England: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-...
It might be illegal in other jurisdictions as well? And that's kind of the point of building it.
It's certainly not illegal in the US, which is ironic considering that the music industry he's attacking is based in and uses US laws. 17 USC 117(a) includes a limitation on copyright of computer programs that says that it's not an act of infringement to make temporary copies during execution:
(a)Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy.—Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided: (1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner...
Normally, that provision is used to exempt "copies" from a hard drive into RAM during execution, but "copies" from a drive to /dev/null would also qualify, since they're created as an essential step during execution of the Kopimashin, and are not used in any other manner (since they're immediately deleted).
Plus, the UK probably has a similar exemption in their copyright law.
What this tells me is that the music isn't worth the bits it's printed on. Further, people in the entertainment industry (actors, musicians, pompous directors) are so over paid that they have a severely distorted view of their own importance. They become misinformed after being uninformed. The end result are cases like the anti-vaxers. Here's hoping that bubble bursts sooner rather than later. Never equate popularity with knowledge and wisdom.
>projections and actual sales are not equivalents
Are you a courtroom with recognized authority to declare formal precedent?
Does your concession echo? That is, will the predatory MAFIAA lawyers admit this reality?
Then print off another million, Petey, a million times seven and a million more.
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1) He mass produces this and puts it on sale.
2) Everybody buys one.
3) Watch as the RIAA shits themselves.
4) ???
5) PROFIT! (Except for the RIAA)
Oh, wow, lemme think. It was last week at the last ever Spirytus gig. A quid in the donations jar and I am now the proud owner of a signed (Ryan, Danny and Ben, the other Ben skipped the minute the performance was over and Mike was busy packing down the equipment while the rest were busy killing beer) Fundamentals EP.
Best. Unsigned. Band. Ever.
Made all the more satisfying knowing that no major label gets to see a penny. And that's the only difference between being unsigned and being signed. Labels get royalties and they own the rights, not the signed artists, who still have to pay for studio time and production out of their (average) five percent cut on hard sales of current catalogues, and two percent and less on back catalogues. Ask Janis Ian, she'll tell you, labels not only rip off consumers, they rip off artists - royally.
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Two reasons for some of the growth is businesses use it because renting a locker is much cheaper than finding a larger place with more storage and, possibly, people are using the storage when a relationship ends and they are transitioning between homes (for example living in an apartment before buying a new home).
However from observations in my city and according to some articles about the a local self-storage company that is growing at an amazing rate the majority of the business at the self-storage business is people putting away stuff that they don't have room for anymore.
If you read the rest of the thread you would have noticed that someone already posted this and I already replied to it.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
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