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George Lucas Criticizes the Force Awakens (theguardian.com)

RogueyWon writes: While many critics have responded positively to JJ Abrams's take on Star Wars, one particular industry figure seems rather less impressed. George Lucas has criticized the "retro" tone of The Force Awakens and lamented his own lack of involvement in it. Speaking to television talk-show host and journalist Charlie Rose, Lucas quipped that he had sold his "kids to the white slavers that take these things". "They wanted to do a retro movie. I don’t like that,” he said. “They weren’t that keen to have me involved anyway, but if I get in there, I’m just going to cause trouble, because they’re not going to do what I want them to do. And I don’t have the control to do that any more, and all I would do is muck everything up. And so I said, ‘OK, I will go my way, and I’ll let them go their way.’”

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  1. Yeah yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why did you sell it? Take your money and shut up, it's not yours anymore (thank god!).

    1. Re: Yeah yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear George Lucas, STFU. You FUBARed the originals through your idiotic "updates" and Episode 1 to 3 sucked so don't try to make it sound like you could have done anything better. Disney did a fantastic job...go away George.

    2. Re:Yeah yeah by TigerPlish · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You sold it to DISNEY of all companies, you know that they only produce the most shallow of crap these days

      Ever since John Lassater and Ed Catmull went from Pixar to Disney, Disney's features and shorts have shown an improvement.

      Wreck-it-Ralph was amazing and quite deep; Frozen was a good movie that somehow went on to be their biggest hit yet and Big Hero 6 wasn't exactly a superficial, shallow piece.

      Man. I can't believe I just typed nice things about the House of Mouse, I used to loathe it with a passion.. back in the Eisner days. But again.. since Pixar guys went to Disney, Disney's improved a bit.

      Now, there's nothing that will make me forgive Disney for what they did to their IT people. No amount of good film will make up for that.

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    3. Re: Yeah yeah by tysonedwards · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought he JARJARed them, and isn't that one step beyond FUBARing? Maybe you were being kind...

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    4. Re:Yeah yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

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      Now, there's nothing that will make me forgive Disney for what they did to their IT people. No amount of good film will make up for that.

      I can't forgive them for how they pushed for longer and longer copyrights. The idea was for a limited term, so the public could use that material later. Now things are ever more locked into the company that gets the IP, so rather than a net benefit to the public over time it is a net benefit to the IP holder over time, and not by a small amount. Such draconian terms stifle innovation.

      Don't get me wrong. Copyright has its place, as long as it is finite. Ten to twenty percent of the lifespan of the average man or women seems more reasonable than this death plus however many years, which in itself is liable to be extended, again.

      Of course their obvious evil with their IT workers is also a good reason to hate them. I'll probably see the new movie, but maybe I'll wait till it is on netflix.

  2. The world is happy about Lucas not participating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    -No one- wants to see Jar-Jar Binks again. Nor do they want to see a "token kid", or a Yoda doing backflips. No one.

  3. God I hate to say this, but by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I agree with him.

    There was way too much slovenly fan service in that movie. As I expected with a Disney movie, it played it totally safe and took no chances. It looked test-marketed to within an inch of its life.

    A real filmmaker would have made his own film, not just remade someone else's.

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    1. Re:God I hate to say this, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed. I am glad Lucas couldn't touch the movie, but it was a very 'safe' boring movie. As expected from Disney who plans to use it to leverage a gazillion spin offs, theme park and merchandise projects.

    2. Re:God I hate to say this, but by Lisandro · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It did not. For starters, the plot is basically identical to EP IV.

    3. Re:God I hate to say this, but by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Interesting

      it was a very 'safe' boring movie

      Yeah, that's what disappointed me the most, just how BORING it was. For all the FX setpieces and explosions, it was, at its core, boring as fuck.

      Maybe if Abrams had slowed down the breakneck plot long enough to make the characters more relatable or believable it would have helped. It may be the kind of movie that really benefits from a 4-hour Director's Cut that explains why these characters actually give a shit about each other. As it is, it goes from "I don't know you" to "We're running...and some more running...and yet more running" to "I would risk my life to save you" so quickly that I'm wondering if 90% of the original script wasn't cut out to make room for more cool action scenes.

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    4. Re:God I hate to say this, but by Lisandro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, that's exactly what happens when you sell your franchise. Specially one as marketable as Star Wars.

    5. Re:God I hate to say this, but by Merk42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More than that:

      starts with bad guys attacking...
      droid is given information and leaves the scene...
      ends up in a desert...
      where the lead happens upon it...
      which carries something important for the rebellion...
      while evading the main bad guy...
      who is dressed in black...
      and related to a good guy...
      "we must destroy the giant planet destroyer thing"
      ...but first we need to go inside to disable the shields
      ...where an older character dies

    6. Re:God I hate to say this, but by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They did not 'step in' with 4B. He sold it.

      And if he feels so creative, he is free to use that huge pile of money to create something new of his own. Should bne enough for several movies, where he can show us all of his brilliant ideas.

    7. Re:God I hate to say this, but by malditaenvidia · · Score: 5, Informative

      My problem with all this, and the tentative point where I agree with Lucas, is that it seems a strange new world where the creator of a work is locked out of its further development simply because a corporation stepped in with $4B's and bought all rights and control of it. In other words, when a work of art becomes too popular it is in danger of becoming a mere franchise.

      Oh but that's exactly what Lucas did. He wasn't responsible for all of this work, he was only the screenwriter. A new hope was a horrible mess until his then wife saved it in editing. Neither Empire or Return were directed by him. The puppetry that gave the series one of its most memorable characters had nothing to do with George, neither did Empire's script, or Lucasfilm's special effects, or Ford, Fisher and Hamill's acting.
      This legacy wasn't his work, yet he owned every single bit about it, took it upon himself to absolutely ruin movies he didn't direct with post and then he sold all of it for an absurd amount of money. Your outrage should be directed at George, who absolutely fucked up these movies which were not his work, sometimes just to spite his fans, for the hell of it.

      I bet you loved that "Jedi rocks" music video added in the special edition of Return of the Jedi, or Hayden Christiansen being added to the ending of the DVD edition as a force ghost. He even added Jar-Jar's voice to the very end of Return, a movie he didn't direct, just to spite all the people who hated his stupid cartoon rabbit. He also made Darth Vader yell "NOOOOOOOoooo" while throwing Sheev down the shaft in the BluRay release. I'll bet good money he named Palpatine "Sheev" as a final middle finger to his fans.
      Seriously, if someone is responsible for messing with other people's work and appropriating it, it's George himself.
      Hell, and that's without even going into those prequel abominations. You also point out how Star Wars is just becoming to popular and a franchise, when this was George's goal from the very beginning, securing the merchandise rights from 20th Century FOX in exchange for a smaller cut. Star Wars was designed from the very start to be a marketing campaign, not a work of art. Whatever artistry was involved in it, had barely anything at all to do with George.

    8. Re:God I hate to say this, but by swillden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It did not. For starters, the plot is basically identical to EP IV.

      I was fine with that. I think the rationale was "Let's show the fans that we're taking the franchise back where it started from, rather than the horrible mess Lucas made in the prequels." So they set up a new Empire, with a new Death Star and a new young Jedi (one I like a lot more than I ever liked that crybaby Luke, actually). Yeah, it was more or less the same plot, with lots of fan-service thrown in, but they also set up some interesting new characters.

      The real test will be what happens in the next movie. If it's a rehash of ESB, then I'll be annoyed that they didn't just call it a reboot rather than a continuation of the story -- though if it's an entertaining movie I'll still see enjoy it. But I don't think it will be. I think having established that they've thrown Lucas out of the airlock and gone back to the Star Wars roots, they're now free to do something new. Note that I'm not saying I expect radically novel filmmaking. Obviously not. What comes next is going to be more big-budget space cowboys. But it will be fun.

      I'm actually much more upset at the Star Trek reboot, but that's because I always held Star Trek to a higher standard. Star Trek started out as real science fiction, social commentary exploring much more interesting questions that "Does love defeat all?" and "How many people can we blow up?". There were some occasional missteps, and it really declined after Roddenberry was gone, but the reboot fell off a cliff. The Abrams Star Trek movies are entertaining, but they're no longer Star Trek. He kept the universe and the characters (sort of) but lost the soul.

      In contrast, The Force Awakens has resurrected Star Wars. It's simple, mindless fun, but that's what it always was, and we liked it.

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    9. Re:God I hate to say this, but by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Informative

      This! A zillion times this!

      Okay aside from my biggest peeve ("a bigger, badder death star that can inexplicably be destroyed in way less time!") was the lack of balance between character development and action.

      Sure, they did try (well, sort of) to develop most of the individual new characters, but really - why would any of the new characters give a flying frig about each other? That aspect of the plot barely held together, with a few split seams showing here and there (enough to disturb the experience).

      Example of a 'split seam': They spent so little time on the Kylo Ren dude (okay, they just flat-out set him up wrong), that he was less of a badass, and more like a bipolar emo kid with daddy issues. I mean, Vader had a fucking *presence* about him when he walked into the room - enough to see palpable fear emanating from all the other actors in the room. You knew right up front that he was a badass. Even in the misbegotten eps I-III, you still had a sufficient-if-not-quite-Vader level of badassery going on w/ Maul. But Kylo Ren? The phrase "punk bitch trying to prove himself on day one in prison" kept popping up. Sheesh. (okay, rant over on that one...)

      But yeah - the whole thing came off as less of a movie and more of a fanfic, truth be told.

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  4. It's fairly well established now by Maritz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That the first three films were decent only because of Lucas' lack of control. We saw what happens when his every whim is indulged with the prequels. Ugly stuff. In short: George, you're shite, now fuck off.

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  5. Back to basics by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree with him.

    Then you fail to understand the problem. Disney HAD to make a film that reminded everyone of why they loved Star Wars. After the debacle that was the prequels, they needed to come back to basics. THEN they can start doing more creative things going forward. But they had to repair the damage first and get people enthused about the franchise again. I suspect they'll get more adventurous in the future but doing so for this movie would have been idiotic.

    A real filmmaker would have made his own film, not just remade someone else's.

    And if they did that then everyone would have bitched about how it wasn't Star Wars. And they would have been right. Giving some director complete freedom to go off on whatever idiotic tangent they want is how we got the prequels.

  6. Star Wars always was a franchise by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My problem with all this, and the tentative point where I agree with Lucas, is that it seems a strange new world where the creator of a work is locked out of its further development simply because a corporation stepped in with $4B's and bought all rights and control of it.

    Pretty naive to think that that is somehow anything new. People have sold IP rights since the first moment there was such a thing as IP. That's like selling your house and then expecting to have a say in how the new owner decorates it. The entire notion is idiotic. If George wanted a say in how things were done he could have negotiated that. He chose not to. Frankly given how bad the prequels were, I wouldn't have wanted him around either. He clearly failed to understand why people liked Star Wars, couldn't direct, couldn't write and everybody knew it. Disney has dealt with guys like him before and his time had clearly passed.

    In other words, when a work of art becomes too popular it is in danger of becoming a mere franchise.

    It's adorable that you think Star Wars wasn't a franchise before. I saw Star Wars in the theater in 1977. Do you have ANY idea how big of a think merchandising became because of Star Wars? Every kid I knew was carrying around a Darth Vader carrying case loaded with action figures. Video games, lunch boxes, toys, decoration, etc. Those became a big deal because Star Wars WAS a franchise right from the very beginning. Your notion that it was some holy work of "art" is belied by the actual facts.

  7. Re:The world is happy about Lucas not participatin by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No, the whole way he killed Padme off was terrible. How is it Leia could remember her mother when she was about thirty seconds old when she died?

    And midichlorians...

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  8. Re:The world is happy about Lucas not participatin by bondsbw · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Mine was "Anakin, you're breaking my heart!"

    It's really easy for me to "get into" a performance and to stay focused, especially when it gets to the climax scenes, but this totally took me out. I was actually mad when this happened, and it was hard to get back into the movie before it was finished.

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  9. Re:The world is happy about Lucas not participatin by Spazmania · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And midichlorians...

    That was the exact moment when episode 1 jumped the shark.

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  10. Re:The world is happy about Lucas not participatin by WheezyJoe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "I...I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children too." Anakin Skywalker Episode II. The most cringe worthy scene in the entire series.

    Yes, that was horrible. But one of so damn many. For me it was the drivel about Midichlorians, and then a child's half-baked "yippee"s in horrid Episode 1. The prequels broke suspension of disbelief many many times, but even Jar-Jar didn't bug me as bad as the boy actor playing young Annakin because, you know, the whole damned story is ultimately about Annakin. The kid was so poorly directed and his lines so bad, I never believed in him or in any of his abilities or that someday he would become an arch-villain who would choke the life out of people as easy as look at them. Every seen he was in, every line, and every ridiculously contrived tie-in with the other films (I fucking built C-3PO!!!) shoved me out of the movie to look for the nearest exit. I couldn't forgive that shit. Kids can act well and carry a movie if a director takes them serious enough (e.g., The Sixth Sense), but Lucas didn't bother to give a shit.

    Count Dooku in Episode II was pretty fucking cringe-worthy as well, stopping a fight with Yoda because, you know, let's fight with light saber instead. And does Yoda defeat him? No... he does a little thing and walks away, leaving three Jedi holding their limp little dicks. Clued me in on something, though: the Force sucks, particularly the good side. "Failed, have I" in Episode III. No shit, Yoda, because you SUCK! Mace Windu almost smoked Palpatine, except the good side didn't clue him in to an attack coming from amateur Annakin.

    You didn't watch the prequels, you fucking endured them, waiting out one dull scene after another, hoping something redemptively cool would happen. Next thing you know, the movie's over. Two hours and ten bucks you'll never have again. Fuck you, Lucas. Take your billions, buy an island, and live on it with all the most expensive, pure, uncut highest-quality coke money your billions can buy. That'll get your mind off Disney giving you the shove.

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