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How the Internet Changed the Way We Read (dailydot.com)

An anonymous reader writes: UC Literature Professor Jackson Bliss puts into words something many of you have probably experienced: the evolution of the internet and mobile devices has changed how we read. "The truth is that most of us read continuously in a perpetual stream of incestuous words, but instead of reading novels, book reviews, or newspapers like we used to in the ancien régime, we now read text messages, social media, and bite-sized entries about our protean cultural history on Wikipedia."

Bliss continues, "In the great epistemic galaxy of words, we have become both reading junkies and also professional text skimmers. ... Reading has become a relentless exercise in self-validation, which is why we get impatient when writers don't come out and simply tell us what they're arguing. ... Content—whether thought-provoking, regurgitated, or analytically superficial, impeccably-researched, politically doctrinaire, or grammatically atrocious—now occupies the same cultural space, the same screen space, and the same mental space in the public imagination. After awhile, we just stop keeping track of what's legitimately good because it takes too much energy to separate the crème from the foam."

148 comments

  1. Obligatory by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Funny

    tl;dr

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    How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
    1. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tl;dr

      You remind me of a friend whose attention span is 1/2 a tweet...

    2. Re:Obligatory by msauve · · Score: 1

      Maybe someone can make a video and put it on YouTube.

      --
      "National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
    3. Re:Obligatory by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

      /. did not disappoint, thank you kind Sir (or Madam if the SJWs are circling).

    4. Re:Obligatory by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      You remind me of a friend whose attention span is 1/2 a tweet

      The twat. The audacity.

      --
      WARNING: Smartphones have side effects--most of them undocumented.
    5. Re:Obligatory by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      2 twats = 1 tweet?

    6. Re: Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too long; didn't watch. Try vine.

    7. Re:Obligatory by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1
      Well, the only thing you really missed from TFA is this great quote, which was intended to talk about NPR online articles, but applies equally well to Slashdot... and particularly the comments right here in this thread:

      every one of its articles now bleeds with its comment section, much of it written by posters who haven't even read the article in question--essentially erasing the dividing lines between expert, echo chamber, and dilettante, journalist, hack, and self-promoter, reportage, character assassination, and mob frenzy.

    8. Re:Obligatory by khelms · · Score: 2

      2 twats would be tweet.

    9. Re:Obligatory by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Oh no, you won't escape the indignation. Just like you tried with "Happy Holidays" to dodge the religion bullet, all you got was overzealous Christians going ballistic on you for not wishing them a "Merry Christmas".

      Give it a while and people will be all over you for thinking that they're a "Madam". For I want to be a victim of your prosecution and I won't let you dictate whether you prosecute me or not!

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  2. Not gonna read this by russotto · · Score: 5, Informative

    With that much excessively verbose pomposity in the summary, the article must be insufferable.

    1. Re:Not gonna read this by binarylarry · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, just checkout this introductory paragraph:

      Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
      Thy micturations are to me,
      As plurdled gabbleblotchits,
      On a lurgid bee,
      That mordiously hath blurted out,
      Its earted jurtles,
      Into a rancid festering confectious organ squealer.

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      Mod me down, my New Earth Global Warmingist friends!
    2. Re:Not gonna read this by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
      Give him a break, he's a Literary professor. Words are his life....:)

      .
      I don't care how much a man talks, if he only says it in a few words. - - - Henry Wheeler Shaw

    3. Re:Not gonna read this by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 4, Funny

      I skimmed it and you're right. Sweeping generalizations tossed in a word salad.

      I just spent 6 hours reading Heinlein on e ink, so I humored him. Meanwhile, the same has been said in fewer, clearer words for at least 5 years now, with predictions of same around the time facebook, texting, and news aggregators went mainstream. Each time, that is.

      Take old news and wrap it in New paper.

    4. Re:Not gonna read this by ljhiller · · Score: 4, Funny

      I literally did not understand what he was saying (the the quoted summary). I don't have the patience to decode what he's trying to say in this convoluted mess of word salad. Why doesn't he just come out and state his thesis? Maybe I'll just look him up on wikipedia.

    5. Re:Not gonna read this by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

      With that much excessively verbose pomposity in the summary, the article must be insufferable.

      +5

    6. Re:Not gonna read this by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I literally did not understand what he was saying (the the quoted summary). I don't have the patience to decode what he's trying to say in this convoluted mess of word salad. Why doesn't he just come out and state his thesis? Maybe I'll just look him up on wikipedia.

      I like his unintentional humour: "which is why we get impatient when writers don't come out and simply tell us what they're arguing."

      Long-winded prose, which uses 1000 words when only 10 are needed, used to be confined to academia. But now, thanks to the interwebs, it's everywhere.

    7. Re:Not gonna read this by Spugglefink · · Score: 1

      don't think that was the point... used to be a writer until the world lost its attention span... figured out it was a waste of time to spellel anything correctly punctuate capitalize or otherwise write well in this new age of five second attention spans... still can't bring myself to use "u" as a word yet but give me time

    8. Re:Not gonna read this by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      With a hobby of pointing out which novels are literature and which ones are trashy pulp for the masses?

    9. Re:Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Incestuous words have sex with synonyms and (sometimes) homonyms. They give birth to horribly deformed words that are abominations before the Creator.

      Example: horrible + bad TEHSEXMAKES horribad

      horribad! Nnnngh I have webbed toes

    10. Re:Not gonna read this by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Give him a break, he's a Literary professor. Words are his life...

      Even allowing for that - when someone uses a phrase as ridiculous as "incestuous words", it serves as a warning flag telling me they almost certainly don't have anything to offer beyond pomposity.

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      #DeleteChrome
    11. Re:Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone should tell him less is more.

    12. Re:Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it seems like they've gone to great lengths to say something along the lines of 'we read words from many sources'.

      Which, would you believe it, is what we've been doing for a long time.

    13. Re:Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why doesn't he just come out and state his thesis?

      people be dum

    14. Re:Not gonna read this by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      With that much excessively verbose pomposity in the summary, the article must be insufferable.

      Methings the learned scholar is taking great umbrage at this perfidy, and possibly needs gruntled.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    15. Re:Not gonna read this by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Even allowing for that - when someone uses a phrase as ridiculous as "incestuous words", it serves as a warning flag .

      I saw a porn named that once.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    16. Re:Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read it. It is. Brevity has merits that surpass content.

    17. Re: Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In the great epistemic galaxy of words", stopped reading there

    18. Re:Not gonna read this by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      It's like I tell my friends and co-workers, "I don't talk like everyone else. I speak in a manner similar to others."

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      Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    19. Re:Not gonna read this by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Even allowing for that - when someone uses a phrase as ridiculous as "incestuous words", it serves as a warning flag .

      I saw a porn named that once.

      "Warning Flag"? Heh, yeah, I saw that one too. I watched it twice, actually. 8 out o10 on the "Stroker" scale.

      --
      Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    20. Re:Not gonna read this by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      UCI - My school!

      Okay, Dr. Bliss needs to have a thesaurus removed from his colon, wherein it was undoubtedly placed by some angry freshman, but the point is an interesting one. Back in the nineteen hundreds, when to access information we needed to leave home and drive to a public building called a "library" and carefully select printed works of interest, we absorbed information only when we specifically intended to. The mechanics of this process forced us to remember specific authors and publications as being our sources. And the distribution paradigm was always one-to-many, information flowing from authors through their august gatekeeping Publishers to the plebeian eye.

      Today, it's raining 'content'. The lordly Publisher, and his retinue of pimply-faced grad students who made sure that only approved Major Authors made it past the slush pile, is all but gone. Because we can search effortlessly in a world of diverse data, we no longer have to depend on a few authors we trust to define the culture we live in. And furthermore, we can now talk back. One-to-many distribution has become the shrieking of many-to-many. This confuses quite a few of us.

    21. Re:Not gonna read this by Fiona_OHanlon · · Score: 1

      OMG! it's Judith Butler! No wait, she's tunnelled away at UC Berkeley in the Rhetoric Department. Anyway, this academic is just doing what they all do: find an old idea (the f-scan has been around since the first manual was put into print. Find the general topic chapter. scan the paragraph headings. Find a heading that seems like the subject you are interested in. Scan the paragraph for the keyword on he topic you want. Fail? repeat until you get your info. Ignore the rest) Take the idea shine it up, spin, produce mass quantities of verbiage. Oh, and never stop writing about it.

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      Invictas maneo
    22. Re:Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Super insightful post, and it's sitting here with a fucking "2".

    23. Re:Not gonna read this by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Too bad that's not in there, your short paragraph is more readable than the actual articl.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    24. Re:Not gonna read this by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      One-to-many distribution has become the shrieking of many-to-many.

      When you say it like that, it sounds like an improvement.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    25. Re:Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that one and a half limerick about a penis?

    26. Re:Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, you Vogons get off the lawn!

    27. Re:Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet has given us far more people to blame for our shortcomings. Short attention spans are nothing new, and those people were never your audience. This is like blaming a failed career in sculpting on people who prefer to read.

    28. Re:Not gonna read this by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      Here seems to be the crux of his complaint:

      We now skim everything it seems to find evidence for our own belief system. We read to comment on reality (Read: to prove our own belief system). Reading has become a relentless exercise in self-validation, which is why we get impatient when writers don’t come out and simply tell us what they’re arguing.

      Of course, the notion that this is somehow new and different is utter tripe. Does anyone think that some magical, golden age existed in which wordsmiths could sway the hearts and minds of the masses? My goodness, how *dare* we have our own opinions, rather than relying on the words of others to shape our thoughts.

      Typical ivory-tower nonsense. You're missing nothing by skipping this article.

      --
      Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
    29. Re:Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re: Literary professor.

      He's pissed because kids these days don't like his personal favorite sub-par "classic" book.

    30. Re:Not gonna read this by Panoptes · · Score: 1

      This UC professor may most charitably be described as a clockwork loony. It has been a rare privilege to read such turgid pseudo-intellecual garbage.

    31. Re:Not gonna read this by default+luser · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they guy is obviously ignorant of the world around him. Before the internet, the twitterverse was sated by trash print like The Inquirer.

      And before that, writers were paid pennies for crap short stories to fill the pages of industry rags. There was trash out there for any level of intelligence. For every Heinlein contributing to these rags, you had a hundred thousand worthless "writers" filing copy for pay.

      Nothing has changed in the CONTENT or PRESENTATION, it's just easier now than it ever was for people to gather and bitch about the shit they read.

      --

      Man is the animal that laughs.
      And occasionally whores for Karma.

    32. Re:Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said that people are more gullible thanks to the Internet, because they spend so much time reading, and so little time verifying what they've read. "Incestuous words" refers to plagiarism; you can find the same idea written in many places, with no mention of a source. Ironically, this article lacks the very scholarship it mourns.

    33. Re:Not gonna read this by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Needs gruntled? Is that correct english?

      Anyway , if the article is using difficult words that does not mean the author is overstretching himself in order to appear smart. When people use jargon, they may be using the most specific word possible even if simpler words would also do the job. They may want to be accurate as well as eager to show that they know the subject well.
      It does not follow the author doesn't make sense. I know some extreme examples personally. Outrageously complicated words but somehow always meaningful if you take the effort.

    34. Re:Not gonna read this by Reziac · · Score: 2

      And there's a great deal of garbage that's not readily distinguishable from the real thing. Witness:

      http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    35. Re:Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I hear ya, I'm also sick of learning all these new English words. If only the author kept it all high-school-English...

    36. Re:Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the Good Old Days of classic literature, there were far fewer people a) writing, and b) with access to publishing, so just about anything placed in front of a publisher got printed. That stuff was not necessarily good, or even better than material written today; it was just lucky. The pendulum having swung, very few decent authors can be found on the garbage scow of today's publishing.

    37. Re: Not gonna read this by lymond01 · · Score: 1

      Im pretty sure back in the 1800s and early 1900s, before TV and decent radio, the masses were fairly ignorant of current events outside the town fair. Knowledge of anything besides the absolutely practical for surviving the month was hard won and often the privilege of the wealthy or well-reputed.

      I'll trade that for having to shove aside Kanye West infotainment to gain easy access to pretty much anything I want to know about without moving my thumb more than 4 inches at a time.

    38. Re:Not gonna read this by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Whatever this was, it no longer comes up. Just a blank page.

    39. Re:Not gonna read this by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I don't know if it's just kids but it seems that everyone's reading "Twitter: The Condensed Version" these days. Anything that can't be expressed in 140 characters or on a bumper sticker is too complicated. Anything that requires an attention span greater than that of a newt is more work than many are willing to invest.

      This isn't limited to "kids." It's multi-generational and seems to span cultures. I can speculate as to why but, frankly, I'd be wasting the effort as nobody would bother to read it.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    40. Re:Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *ppl b dum

    41. Re:Not gonna read this by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

      Agreed. "Incestuous words" puts a whole new spin on oral sex and only proves the adage, that if it can be put on the Internet, there will be porn of it.

      This librarian has found a way to create thesaurus porn, but thesaurus porn does not satisfy any of my particular perversions. So I have not read his article.

      besides, tl;dr.

      --
      Will
    42. Re:Not gonna read this by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Huh. Dunno why. Works for me, even without javascript. Just curious, what browser? SeaMonkey 2.39 here.

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    43. Re:Not gonna read this by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Safari 9.0.2

    44. Re:Not gonna read this by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Huh. I'd understood it's usually less sensitive to website oddity. Well, not this time!

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    45. Re:Not gonna read this by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Needs gruntled? Is that correct english?

      I don't think so. A woman who worked with me used to say that all the time when we were talking about someone being disgruntled. Anyhow, I always though it was a cute saying - although she said gruntle much better than I.

      Anyway , if the article is using difficult words that does not mean the author is overstretching himself in order to appear smart.

      No, but his choice of words, at least to me, tends to lead me away form what he is trying to accomplish. "Incestuous" for example. Yes, he uses it correctly, if in a fairly obscure manner. But the visions of incestuous relationships between family members comes up, then I have to play catch-up with the rest of his sentences.

      I have no issue with using the big words. Some times its even fun. A put down or a complaint can be devastating at times using language as a bludgeon. But to me, his statements read overly complicated, and a tad bit pretentious. I do understand them. I do not understand why he chooses those words. So at least for me, its a failure on his part.

      He needs to eschew obfuscation.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    46. Re: Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll trade that for having to shove aside Kanye West infotainment to gain easy access to pretty much anything I want to know about without moving my thumb more than 4 inches at a time.

      Indeed. What the author has apparently completely failed to grasp is that now we don't have to rely on "curators" to act as gatekeepers, telling us what is worth reading/watching/listening to. Now the onus is on the consumer of said media to decide for themselves what they want to feed their minds with. Of course, it really shouldn't come as a surprise that the neighbors don't know shit, are woefully unprepared to act as their own curators of information, and, thus, often can't tell the difference between news and innuendo. Or spectacle and art. Such is life.

    47. Re:Not gonna read this by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Sorry, didn't have time to read your post, but I did want to say "nice sig".

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      His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
    48. Re:Not gonna read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incestuous words have sex with synonyms and (sometimes) homonyms.

      Not in front of me they won't! I'm not going to tolerate that kind of tomfoolery on this august website!

    49. Re:Not gonna read this by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      u win teh inet 2day.

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      His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
    50. Re:Not gonna read this by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      well played

      1 no sentence caps
      2 use 3 dots instead of any other punctuation
      3 drop your pronouns

      and 4 spelling of coarse

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      His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
    51. Re:Not gonna read this by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Guess what: Just tried the site again and, this time, it comes up.

      Yes, the postmodernist movement was an academic high-water mark in the development of abstruse language. The Pomos became so difficult to communicate with that they eventually lost the ability to mate with humans and died out. According to legend, the grave of the last Pomo is unmarked because academics could not agree on what discourse to put on her tombstone.

    52. Re:Not gonna read this by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it just needed to know you were sincere!

      I believe your understanding has reached maximum velocity. :)

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    53. Re:Not gonna read this by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      He needs to eschew obfuscation.

      right :) And I had exactly the same reaction to the use of 'incestuous'. But the issue he raises is worthwhile and instead everyone focuses on his insecurity.

  3. Ancien régime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Go fuck yourself

    1. Re:Ancien régime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same thing I thought the moment I read that expression.

  4. Nonsense.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .... people read more now then they ever have in human history, stupid people won't read deeply or thoroughly, those on the higher end of the bell curve will chew through data like its going out of style.

    How much you read and whether you read something deeply/thoroughly has everything to do with the traits you've inherited as a biological form of life. The author describes a world that never was, people were always into sound-bytes and gross over simplifications long before the internet. The vast majority of religious people throughout history were barely literate about their own religion. This is nothing new under the sun.

  5. A glut of information, a lack of attention span by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
    The Internet has brought a glut of information, information packed in small bite-sized pieces, e.g., text messages, tweets, social media posts, etc.

    .
    Such a large amount of information has to squeeze something out, imo, what has been squeezed out is a lengthy attention span. The media audience just does not have anything approaching a lengthy attention span for reading anymore.

    That's why websites are so anxious to sell whatever piece of your attention span they can muster to advertisers. That's why web page advertisements constantly try to hook and reel in your attention.

    1. Re:A glut of information, a lack of attention span by khasim · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I disagree. I don't think it is the attention span. I skip reading things if the author has not clearly stated his/her point within the first 3 paragraphs.

      From the summary:

      The truth is that most of us read continuously in a perpetual stream of incestuous words, but instead of reading novels, book reviews, or newspapers like we used to in the ancien régime, we now read text messages, social media, and bite-sized entries about our protean cultural history on Wikipedia.

      What does the phrase "incestuous words" mean?

      Why is "continuously" used in the same sentence with "perpetual"?

      How is "cultural history" associated with "protean"?

      The problem isn't the attention span. The problem is trying to figure out what someone is really saying. Electrons are cheaper than ink. That does not mean it is acceptable to pack in the adjectives and adverbs just because you don't have to pay a printer.

    2. Re:A glut of information, a lack of attention span by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      He's using "Protean" (which should be capitalized) to mean "changing." It comes from the Greek myth of Proteus, but the professor (who is clearly an idiot) does not know that, which is why he does not capitalize the adjective derived of a proper noun.

      He simply uses "incestuous" incorrectly. Likely, he is used to dropping "provocative" adjectives into his academic writing as if that made him somehow less boring or more meaningful. Instead, he simply comes across as shallow and stupid, like most modern language professors.

      Disclosure: I'm a classics professor, and I hate with a passion the English professors around me and their utter failure to use correctly the language that they teach.

    3. Re:A glut of information, a lack of attention span by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah the Information Glut. Mage: the Ascension was talking about that in 1994 (Virtual Adepts tradition book made a big deal about it).

      Most people didn't even have Internet access back then. How prescient of them.

    4. Re:A glut of information, a lack of attention span by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I disagree. I don't think it is the attention span. I skip reading things if the author has not clearly stated his/her point within the first 3 paragraphs.

      Protip: Don't bother with Tolstoy - it can take him 100 pages to make his point clear.

      On the other hand, you'll miss out on some amazing literature.

      --
      #DeleteChrome
    5. Re:A glut of information, a lack of attention span by khasim · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He's using "Protean" (which should be capitalized) to mean "changing."

      That is what I suspected. The problem is that "history" should not be "Protean".

      Instead of

      ... our protean cultural history on Wikipedia

      I would suggest "our Protean culture". Or even "... our changing culture".

      I am reminded of The Eye or Argon.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eye_of_Argon

    6. Re:A glut of information, a lack of attention span by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      My experience is that I skim a lot more noise than I used to, but when I do find something worthy paying attention to I will happily slow down and read it properly. And because of the increased volume of available material I read a lot less crap than I used to because there is too much good stuff to waste time on the rubbish. After all, why would I waste time reading some poorly written, sensationalist "now feel scared" newspaper article when there is content just a few clicks away that might actually teach me something worth learning?

    7. Re:A glut of information, a lack of attention span by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      He's using "Protean" (which should be capitalized) to mean "changing."

      This is what I suspected. The problem is that "history" should not be "Protean".

      Instead of

      ... our protean cultural history on Wikipedia

      I would suggest "our Protean culture". Or even "... our changing culture".

      I agree that the author's prose is unnecessarily wordy and trying to be too " clever."

      But you missed the point here -- history shouldn't change (well, at least not in the common imagination; historiography shows us otherwise), but it DOES change on Wikipedia. Not only is Wikipedia continuously being edited and updated, but people here are always talking about the excessive coverage of random pop culture topics... and that of course is continuously evolving. You can actually see it happen as a pop culture topic becomes of interest, and people start writing articles on every episode of a TV series and every minor character, but then those projects often get abandoned when the series becomes less popular. Eventually the short stub articles are deleted or merged and effectively turns into "archive mode," rather than an active in-progress historical writing about ongoing culture.

      Anyhow, I'm pretty sure the author DOES mean that history is changing, since history is nothing but records and narratives told about past events. So "protean" makes sense here, at least potentially. (Whether this overcomplicated prose is necessary to express such ideas is of course a different question.)

      (Also, for the record, Protean is often capitalized, but doesn't necessarily need to be. When adjectives derived from proper names come to have their own specific English meaning that doesn't necessarily depend on detailed knowledge of the thing the word is named after, they often can be used without capitals. See titanic, herculean, mercurial, quixotic, etc. Protean is unusual enough that I'd probably capitalize it, but I wouldn't think it "wrong" if I saw it without a capital.)

  6. Don't read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See? You didn't fucking listen

    1. Re:Don't read this by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      To listen, first of all whoever wants to say something has to do so in a fashion that is not only understandable to that one who is supposed to listen, but it also has to be presented in a way that makes the listener want to listen.

      And that piece fails on BOTH ends.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  7. top to bottom, left to right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently I still read the same way I always have.

    1. Re:top to bottom, left to right. by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      That's because you're a racist who hates Arabs (or is it the Chinese? -Ed). Anyway, in the spirit of exclusivity you should read equally in all directions.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:top to bottom, left to right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zero to Racist in one post. A new world record.
      And as long as you're playing the racist card, you left out Jewish/Hebrew, and Japanese.
      And I presume you meant _in_clusive.

    3. Re:top to bottom, left to right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whooooooosh.

  8. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UC Literature Professor Jackson Bliss puts into words something many of you have probably experienced: the evolution of the internet and mobile devices has changed how we read. "The truth is that most of us read from a never-ending stream of words that have sex with their relatives, but instead of reading novels, book reviews, or newspapers like we used to in the old times, we now read text messages, social media, and bite-sized entries about our ever-changing cultural history on Wikipedia."

    Bliss continues, "In the great galaxy of words, we have become both reading junkies and also professional text skimmers. ... Reading has become a way to validate oneself, which is why we get impatient when writers don't come out and simply tell us what they're arguing. ... Content of all kinds -- thought-provoking or not, well-researched or not, politically-charged or not, well-written or not -- now occupies the same cultural space, the same screen space, and the same mental space in the public imagination. After awhile, we just stop keeping track of what's legitimately good because it takes too much energy to separate the wheat from the chaff."

  9. It's actually pretty easy by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

    After awhile, we just stop keeping track of what's legitimately good because it takes too much energy to separate the crème from the foam.

    I don't know why he thinks this would be that difficult. Low-quality stuff is written in the vernacular, and truly valuable literature and discourse uses assimilated foreign words with accents unnecessarily. I'll bet that checking for the high-order bit would be good enough.

    1. Re:It's actually pretty easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > ...checking for the high-order bit would be good enough.

      Which is why you're on /. since we don't support those sort of things?

  10. translation: stop liking what I don't like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    translation: stop liking what I don't like, you provincial rednecks / boors / pagans!

    1. Re:translation: stop liking what I don't like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously didn't RTFA.

  11. skim CAPTCHA: standby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reading schoolbooks was a waste of time because publishers bribed school authorities to foist incomprehensible texts on students. There are actually books which can clearly explain every subject, but they are not the ones you are mandated. Wikipedia and most content on the net are examples of unreadable text, and so produce nothing of value for searchers of information, so there is no value to reading them in depth, you might as well skim over them.

  12. Well, we're here. What else do you need to know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it takes too much energy to separate the crème from the foam.

    "Witty" one-line comments on trivial observations. Slashdot.

  13. Not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is not a new phenomenon. I remember a lawyer giving me her newspaper at the courthouse when I was 8 or 9. After a few minutes of watching me read it column to column and page to page she said "You're supposed to just skim it."

    1. Re:Not new by rudy_wayne · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is not a new phenomenon. I remember a lawyer giving me her newspaper at the courthouse when I was 8 or 9. "

      Wait . . . . what?

  14. TL;DR by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    TL;DR: Kids these days.

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    1. Re:TL;DR by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      TL;DR: Kids these days.

      'Nuff said.

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      His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
  15. Speaking but not listening by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    He's speaking for himself. With the way he writes I would expect he'll get minimal readership. Apparently he missed out on the centuries old idea of a good thesis and support structure.

  16. False assumption by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    Plenty of us still read books, too. Note the market for regular paper books is not dead, and e-readers are quite common. There is "internet reading" and real reading. Like there is fast food and good food.

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    Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    1. Re:False assumption by movdqa · · Score: 1

      I still read novels, articles, old books, etc. from time to time but I do it mostly on electronic devices. I have over 3,000 books at home on a variety of topics and I still use them from time to time. The electronic stuff is just so much more convenient. If books are dead, why do we have an Authoress like JK Rowling with incredible book revenues? I don't think that reading is anywhere near dead but, then again, I don't really do social media stuff either.

    2. Re:False assumption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was late to get an e-reader, as I loved paper books. I didn't read a lot of science-fiction though, as I live in parts of the world where the science-fiction shelves are stacked primarily with classics. To my tastes many of the classics don't age so well (there's some damn good exceptions!).

      Now that I've got an e-reader, I read more than ever before. For one, I can easily obtain science-fiction that has come out in the last 20 years, including some from less well known writers. I love this.

      And that's just for novels. Technology has totally changed the way I do research. Prior to the internet, most of my information came from journals and hobby & specialist magazines. I suppose that would've lead to academic libraries in time. With the internet (these new behaviors came prior to mobile computing) I was able to skip academia altogether as well as broaden the scope of the fields I pursued.

      Anyone not reading more than ever before probably wouldn't have much interesting to say on the snippet channels like Facebook, Twitter, etc.

    3. Re:False assumption by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I picked up a book once. It was heavy and looked like effort. So I jumped on wikipedia and read the "plot" section and left satisfied.

      Note to the humourless: I was kidding.

  17. Incestuous Words by mentil · · Score: 4, Funny

    most of us read continuously in a perpetual stream of incestuous words

    Remember kids, that's where portmanteau words come from.

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    1. Re:Incestuous Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand. What do portmanteaus have to do with the (admittedly atrocious) quoted text?

    2. Re:Incestuous Words by EnsilZah · · Score: 1

      Ah, that must explain why they tend to be so weird and misshapen.

  18. Why your article won't be read by Cowclops · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not even making a slashdot-type "nobody reads the article" joke here - literally no one anywhere is going to read the article when you use high-level SAT words and phrases like:

    incestuous words
    regime (not referring to a country's leadership)
    protean
    epistemic
    doctrinaire

    If its supposed to be ironic, I get it, but if its not then you failed miserably and don't even understand your own ideas.

    I think its good to have as big of a vocabulary as possible and I actually recognize most of these words or could figure it out from contrast, and I consider myself to have a fairly above-average vocab due to having an English teacher for a Mom, but repeatedly using "big" words like those is just a shortcut to letting us know you're an asshole without much to say.

    tldr version:
    tldr.

    1. Re:Why your article won't be read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems like your Mom forgot to teach you the difference between "its" and "it's".

    2. Re:Why your article won't be read by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Its not that big a deal, it's meaning is still clear.

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    3. Re:Why your article won't be read by tsqr · · Score: 1

      I actually recognize most of these words or could figure it out from contrast

      I figured out what you meant there from context. And, I agree completely with your point.

    4. Re:Why your article won't be read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It must be great to be as ignorant as someone like you. Not a care in the world. Nothing "big" weighing down your little worldview. I bet the phrase "lofty thoughts" tickles your pompous-o-meter, because you're so wrapped up in trivial bullshit that substantial ideas and complex argumentation are positively offensive.

    5. Re:Why your article won't be read by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it means YOU are the philistine and cannot understand the things the adults are saying.

      You don't even know what philistine means, do you? It is the attitude of anti-intellectualism that undervalues and despises art, beauty, spirituality, and intellect. A philistine person is an individual who is smugly narrow of mind and of conventional morality whose materialistic views and tastes indicate a lack of and indifference to cultural and aesthetic values.

      How can you say he is "an asshole without much to say"? Not only does he have far more than you to say, but he is a Professor of Literature AND he can get what he writes heard on The Daily Dot as well as Slashdot. Vladimir Nabokov had a lot to say about you people, and if you think Nabokov is a pervert just because he wrote a famous novel about a man who becomes sexually involved with a 12-year-old girl, you're a philistine too. Your prudish attitudes are the result of being contaminated with bourgeois values.

      Now please note that I do not for a minute agree with any of this - but a rather large portion of the world's decision makers think this way. They have nothing but contempt for you and your kind, and your philistine attitude is their justification. If you find Nabokov, Woody Allen, or what Roman Polanski did despicable, you're one of them and your views are not worth listening to. They have simply decided that their own views are correct, and yours are wrong. That argument about your Mom being an English teacher? You'd be laughed out of any independent theater in the world.

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    6. Re:Why your article won't be read by thegarbz · · Score: 0

      While I agree with most of that, what do you have against the use of the word regime in that context? I certainly find it a lot more commonly used than referring to leadership.

      The rest of examples I agree are verbal self gratification, but regime in common use when I hear it is a way of doing something, like a workout regime or a daily regime.

    7. Re:Why your article won't be read by chihowa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      His use of "contrast" instead of "context" might not have been an accident, which highlights one of the reasons that I have a hard time reading much of what is written today. You get a huge serving of it here on Slashdot, but even people who are paid to write in English often regularly try to use words that they don't actually know: from the famous "intensive purposes" to the use of "idealistic" instead of "idyllic" (which made me cringe while reading an article this morning).

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    8. Re: Why your article won't be read by tsqr · · Score: 2

      Illiteracy - it has electrolytes.

    9. Re:Why your article won't be read by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Things would go so much better if people would quit whining and tow the line. Else we all loose.

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      His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
    10. Re:Why your article won't be read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rarely used words are just part of the author's agreement with the search engines. The reader is forced to search for the meaning and to be exposed to some quality advertising.

    11. Re:Why your article won't be read by clovis · · Score: 1

      Totally agree.
      The article didn't embiggen my vocabulary, and it was annoying to read. Plus, I would not have used "epistemic" like that.

      Also, give me your lunch cookie. If you don't, I'm going to tell you mom you left out the comma after "I think its good to have as big of a vocabulary as possible".
      There's more, but I'm saving those for later

  19. He rants... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...because we skim. We skim because we're confronted with an ungodly amount of junk to read, of which the article posted is an excellent specimen. Obviously I've skimmed through it.

  20. Re:My great heart is filled with liquorice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IN SOVIET RUSSIA, strawberry liquorice heart fills YOU!

    What a country! ah ah ah!

  21. Whole Novels on Slashdot now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with the hypothesis. I find that I can not read and concentrate like I used to be able to do. It might be age, it might be the Internet 'fast read & skim'.

  22. Legitimately good? by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who's to say what is "legitimately" good?

    There are several points of view that all encompass "good." A piece of writing might be
    - funny
    - insightful
    - artistic
    - emotional
    - provocative
    - motivational
    - well-crafted

    Each of these (and other characteristics) might characterize writing as "good" even if it doesn't possess all of them.

    In other words, beauty (or goodness) is in the eye of the beholder.

    1. Re:Legitimately good? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      A minor correction: A piece of writing might be:
      - funny
      - insightful
      - informative
      - offtopic
      - flamebait
      - normal
      - troll
      - redundant
      - interesting
      - overrated
      - underrated

    2. Re:Legitimately good? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the original post was a suggestion for the revision of the slashdot rating system though.

    3. Re:Legitimately good? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I had mod points, I would mod you "motivational".

  23. Internet is changing the way we read by kn9sli01 · · Score: 1

    If it is changing the way we read it's making people forget how to spell,punctuate, use proper grammar and think before they hit enter.

  24. Re: A glut of information, a lack of attention spa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wikipedia is a great place for historical revisionism. I just edited an article about France to make history realize that the French lost all their wars because they were too busy having sex with cheese to fight off the dirty huns. Now this fact will appear in countless undergrad term papers. Eat your heart out, Proteus.

  25. Shut up you windbag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, what a windbag. Here is a hint fuckface, one can read both novels and drivel on the intergrated face system too. They are not mutually exclusive. If anything though, people are reading more in general. I'm sure there are a lot of people who only read anything because of the internet, in past times a lot of these people wouldn't ever read anything.

  26. "We"?? by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    I, for one, still prefer hardbound dead tree versions.

    So you can join the rest of the oh-honey-look-it's-the-new-shiny-shiny-64G-Orgasmatron-from-Cupertino-that-I-traded-for-Princess-Leia-in-a-slave-girl-outfit-worshipping crowd.

    In other words, the rest of your attention deficit is stuck back there with your gadget.

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    1. Re:"We"?? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      I, for one, still prefer hardbound dead tree versions.

      I'm with you, my dead-tree appreciating brother.

      A Kindle or a real book? I'll take the real book any day.

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      Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    2. Re:"We"?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I much prefer stone tablets. The true way language was meant to be read.

  27. Nothing has changed by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    That's why websites are so anxious to sell whatever piece of your attention span they can muster to advertisers. That's why web page advertisements constantly try to hook and reel in your attention.

    And that's how we get Honey Boo, Little people who own pawnshops and cut logs in swamps, and in their spare time hunt alligators.

    Because as time has moved on, the stupid people have gained access to technology that only smart people once used, and lo and behold.....Twitter!

    People such as myself still have the attention span we used to, and the interent becomes a treasure trove for our personal research

    The stupid, or those who have a shorter attention span than a goldfish http://time.com/3858309/attent... are there to consume facebook and twitter, and all the other internet venues that cater to this sort.

    The pity is that the pruveyors of this utter shit seem to think that the condition is universal, hence the death of intelligent entertainment.

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  28. This. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the context of Slashdot, I ignore any (me-too) post begining with "This." .
    Reason? Unoriginal thinking.

  29. Ha ha by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    TL;DR

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  30. Young ignorants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Helps explains why young people are growing up ignorant. Often you find what the author wants you to think right away, and hides how the facts show that he is wrong at the end of an article. This is how "climate change" got a big following, people don't read enough of the article to see that every prediction is wrong, and only computer models are used to predict the future, which have yet to have any to be correct.

    Then we have tweets/text, don't know about everyone else, but i NEVER trust a tweet till I verify it, you are a fool if you do. Talking about news type tweets, not from people you know.

  31. Ironic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's ironic. For generations, professors dreamed of day when voracious readers were the norm. Growing up, the message to read -- to read anything -- to read pretty please was everywhere.

    Now we are voracious readers. We read. We read novels worth of information. We read about what happened to our friends, neighbors, and family. We read about current events. We read about history. We read about fiction. We read about all kinds of science. We read how to do all sorts of amazing projects. We read about new skills we can learn and places we can go and the result? These gilded idiots complain about it.

    Some of the criticisms are incredibly myopic. One argument I've been hearing more and more is that the human brain is made less because people use reference materials more today. This argument acts as if this is some brand new concept! Some of the reference texts I personally use are 90 years old. The one I use more than any other was written in 1969. The Internet didn't just magically make reference materials come into existence for the first time.

    Others, like this criticism, are beyond myopic. "People read differently now!" -- Actually, the people who are going to read through War & Peace for fun probably haven't gone anywhere, and they're probably still reading it. The difference is that now people who wouldn't have read at all in the past are now also voracious readers.

    In both cases, the arguments feel like the complaining of an ideologue that their monkey's paw wish didn't look like what they expected to. It feels like these folks thought we'd all become erudite professors of literature like they did, but it turns out the great unwashed masses who read more than ever in the history of mankind still read about things that interest them.

  32. Re: A glut of information, a lack of attention spa by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    NoW had you made a real edit, say to fix a spelling error, it would have been instantaneously reverted.

  33. TF;GO by epine · · Score: 2

    Wow. I had no idea literate people found this level of prose the least bit difficult. The ornate lexicon in the summary text dented my customary reading speed hardly a yod.

    But then, when I clicked through to the full article, my eyes refused to focus anywhere in his text. Apparently my Joo Janta 300 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Neural Implants went into filter mode, removing the black letterforms while leaving behind only the whitespace between and around the words and letters. (Obviously, this is not an optical process, but hooks somewhere deeper into the visual–cognitive semantic stack.)

    I've never even remotely figured out how this works. I take a brief glance at a wall of text, and even before I've consciously read more than a phrase or two, some subliminal thesis detector goes "nope, no cigar" and then my eyes defocus into paragraph at a time mode and pretty soon I've assessed an entire piece from end to end without having read a full sentence anywhere.

    So I figure, "there's no farting way my brain could be passing judgment on a complex text while skimming at this speed" so I randomly force myself to read a sentence or two ... word ... by ... painful ... word and just about every time, same end result: no thesis detected.

    Maybe this is why I've never really understood the whole TL;DR meme. Closest I ever come is TF;GO (too fuzzy, glassed over).

    Length, as such, has nothing to do with it.

    1. Re:TF;GO by kackle · · Score: 1

      Yes. YES. YES! I have noticed the same thing!

      I read a lot on the Internet and off, mostly technical stuff. I find much is poorly written, in the end only conveying a confusing or pointless message. Somehow, though, I've noticed that often I am skipping over entire paragraphs that my eyes "don't want to read". I assumed it was some sort of temporary mental laziness, so I would force myself to go back and painstakingly read the text, sentence-by-sentence, only to find again and again that my eyes were correct! The text was indeed a waste of my time!

      I'm guessing there's a lower, faster comprehension taking place before my full consciousness receives the messages. It's fascinating, and I'm glad you posted about what I thought was only in my head.

  34. And you know it's authentic by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    ....because real Literature professors use words like 'epistemic'.

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  35. I agree, but not sure if I blame the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have family members who constantly forward me pseudo-scientific garbage. Usually it is about politics or health. I am constantly amazed that they cannot seem to differentiate a research article from a random diatribe of unrelated statements. Prior to the internet, those crazy diatribes were hard to find. They came in door-to-door letters, or self-published books that bookstores rarely carried. Even when they were on the newsstand, everyone knew that "The Enquirer" wasn't reputable like "Time Magazine." But now people can't tell greennewsletter.com versus nature.com. I find spending a lot of time debunking insane raves rather than having intelligent debate.

  36. I've authors to say what they were saying by jader3rd · · Score: 1

    Reading has become a relentless exercise in self-validation, which is why we get impatient when writers don't come out and simply tell us what they're arguing.

    Well before I started using the internet I've always been impatient with writers who don't say what they're trying to say. The internet didn't change that. I'm sorry, but I've never liked fluff; and honestly never got the whole obsession with reading between the lines and interpreting other meanings from something that 'should' be implied by what the author was writing. It's probably why I would get frustrated with how I loved to read, would read more than most of my peers, but would struggle in English class, or on reading tests.

  37. Trolling? by Zanadou · · Score: 1

    ... which is why we get impatient when writers don't come out and simply tell us what they're arguing...

    How ironic.

  38. slashdot by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Interesting article to read on a site that made it's name shortening full news stories to a paragraph; on which still only around 20% read the full article.

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  39. We just read click-baits now by m00sh · · Score: 0

    There used to be a time when the writing on the internet was for reading.

    Now, it's just to generate clicks.

    The only metric that anyone uses of the quality of the writing is the clicks and so the only thing that shows up everywhere is click-baits.

  40. Millennials... by zawarski · · Score: 1

    ...is there nothing they can't ruin?

  41. And this is why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [Flame On] [Pompous Idiot Mode Engaged] The summary of this article is a perfect example of why most people ignore and/or annoy literature "professors" - as most individuals of that ilk have nothing better to do other than produce a constant effluvium of pedantic and verbose clap-trap to disguise the fact that their "education" was limited to constantly critiquing The Scarlet Letter. I would rather be a stamp collector (oblig. XKCD reference. Look it up, you've got Google) than to waste, nay, sully... such a entertaining word that is... my life with such a noble pursuit. [Normality restored][Flame Off]

    For goodness sakes. A literature professor trying to make a point about communication when using a lexicon that only those mentally perverted by exposure to other literature professors? What were they thinking???

  42. or alternatively... by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    Another way of looking at it is that text used to be scarce due to the cost of publishing and distributing it, so people read a lot of crap, like the musings of impoverished Frenchmen or the escapist poetry of disenfranchised Germans. These days, people actually read stuff that matters to them: writings by people they care about, dating profiles of people they can actually meet, stories about places they can actually visit.

  43. WTF great epistemic galaxy of words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF is this guy saying? great epistemic galaxy of words ???

    Calvin and Hobbes said eventually language will become a barrier to understanding.

    That day is now.

  44. Literally... really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps if 'no one is going to read' works like this literally, they can attempt to do so figuratively...

    BTW, gratz on your newly found clairvoyance!

  45. A professor of "literature" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who apparently doesn't know what the word "incestuous" means?

  46. A Most Intriguing Read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TL;DR

    Blown out from the hermetic chasm of the literary stratum -- one full of ideas, albeit often tortuous -- a most thought-provoking (if ever so slightly unoriginal) introspection on the habit-forming ways in which we peruse of our societies's contemporary collective oeuvre.

    To me, the question that remains is the following: Notwithstanding its fickler, unsure and often ephemeral versimilitude, shall we concern ourselves with the unintentionally purported crassitude of said oeuvre? To which I am, if ever so slightly, inclined to answer: Mayhaps we must, peradventure we might.