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Copyright Expires On Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf

HughPickens.com writes: Adolf Hitler's Nazi manifesto Mein Kampf was originally printed in 1925 — eight years before Hitler came to power. After Nazi Germany was defeated in 1945, the Allied forces handed the copyright to the book to the state of Bavaria who refused to allow the book to be reprinted to prevent incitement of hatred. Now BBC reports that under European copyright law, the rights of an author of a literary or artistic work runs for the life of the author and for 70 years after his death — in Hitler's case on 30 April 1945, when he shot himself in his bunker in Berlin, so for the first time in 70 years, Mein Kampf will be available to buy in Germany.

Authorizing the book's release into the public domain has been a tortuous process. In 2012 it was agreed, after much consultation between Bavarian authorities and representatives of Jewish and Roma communities, that a scholarly edition should be planned in an attempt to demystify the book. Munich's Institute of Contemporary History will publish the new edition with thousands of academic notes, will aim to show that Mein Kampf (My Struggle) is incoherent and badly written, rather than powerful or seductive. From the original book's 1,000 pages, the publisher has produced a two-volume book that is twice as long as the original, with 3,700 annotations. Christian Hartmann, one of the team of five historians who spent several years working on the academic edition, described his relief at being able to analyze the text, even if he felt in need of regularly airing his tiny Munich office in order to cope with the task. "It is a real feeling of triumph, to be able to pick over this rubbish and then to debunk it bit by bit."

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  1. Why the fuzz? by boa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why the fuzz over this old book?

    The book has been available in almost all countries except Germany, it is available on Amazon in both German and English, and it is of course available on the Internet, e.g. on www.hitler.org. Anyone interested in Mein Kampf can read it for free or for a few dollars. It hasn't caused a neo-nazi uprise anywhere so far, and it won't even if it is published in Germany.

    I don't get it.

    1. Re:Why the fuzz? by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now Disney can make an animated movie of it.

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    2. Re:Why the fuzz? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      I think because it's a symbol of censorship. Not just censorship, but of censorship attempting to kill an ideology in a conquered regime.

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    3. Re:Why the fuzz? by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Any neo-nazi fanboi able to read could have already read it; it's not like the lack of official publication made it impossible to attain.
      I don't really care to read it myself and more than I'd like to read some other politician nutjob's manifesto, but if the fear is that people reading it will become nazi's... those types people rarely require any reading to be like they are.

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    4. Re:Why the fuzz? by mjm1231 · · Score: 2

      Meh, I'll wait for the movie version of the Broadway adaptation of the animated movie based on the book.

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    5. Re:Why the fuzz? by boa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good points.

      As a history geek, I've read parts of it. It wasn't very interesting, except for the fact that Hitler so described his Lebensraum plans. There was no doubt at all that Hitler planned to invade eastern Europe and attack Russia. (http://hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch14.html )

      This fact raises the obvious question: why the hell didn't the Western powers stop him earlier? Why did they try to appease a man who so clearly stated his intentions? Were they, England and France, complete morons?

    6. Re:Why the fuzz? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Informative

      Appeasement? Or at least the tendency of most leaders not to rush into a war from which very little can be gained. And history is repeating itself, albeit at a smaller scale: see Turkey and Erdogan.

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    7. Re:Why the fuzz? by phantomfive · · Score: 2
      Here are my answers (which you may purchase for the small price of sending properly formatted electrons to the Slashdot server):

      This fact raises the obvious question: why the hell didn't the Western powers stop him earlier?

      Because they were tired of war, and really didn't want to fight anymore. People who favored stopping Hitler were accused of being "warmongers." I can't particularly blame people for not wanting war after the carnage of WW1.

      Why did they try to appease a man who so clearly stated his intentions? Were they, England and France, complete morons?

      I think they underestimated the strength of Germany. They thought something like, "We just beat them down, they are weaker than us, and too weak to stand against the allied powers. Let them take weaker countries like Poland and Czechoslovakia." The misjudgement of the strength of Germany can be most clearly seen in the Maginot Line.

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    8. Re:Why the fuzz? by rochrist · · Score: 2

      Um...the Americans were the victims of the Malmedy Massacre, not the perpetrators. Also, too, you talk about war crimes on all sides, but some wars crimes absolutely fucking dwarfed others. There's a major difference between say, killing 30 prisoners of war and slaughtering 20 million plus men, women and children because of their religion.

    9. Re:Why the fuzz? by bmo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      However, nobody ever speaks much about the horrible attrocities (sic) the other countries commited (sic) during the war: [list]

      Really? Fucking Really?

      The fact that you were able to rattle examples of other atrocities right off the top of your head means that yes, there are a /lot/ of books and other media about the other atrocities since you have read them.

      Let's see, what can I find on just one atrocity done by the Japanese during WWII

      1-12 of 4,299 results for Books :
      "bataan death march"

      On Amazon alone.

      >unfair to the nazis

      Please. Fuck. Off. And. Go. Back. To. Stormfront.

      Please.

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    10. Re:Why the fuzz? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Sometimes, I wonder whether Stalin was secretly in bed w/ Hitler regarding that,
      Depends what you mean with "regarding that".

      Stalin was openly in bed with Hitler as both agreed to conquer Poland and divide it up amoung themselves.

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    11. Re: Why the fuzz? by WoOS · · Score: 2

      *cough*
      Even as a Putin sock-puppet you should get your facts straight: The Western Allies fought Hitler already for 2 years before he invaded the Soviet Union. Once that happened the Soviet Union received massive amounts of Lend-Lease equipment from the US. Doesn't sound like a war by proxy to me.
      The Soviet Union (not Russia!) suffered the most casualties due to (probably among others) Stalin's Purges which drained the officer corps and removed any intention to disobey central command from the remaining officers which lead to huge encirclements. Hitler managed to do the same when refusing an early breakout out of Stalingrad.

    12. Re:Why the fuzz? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When the war against "Islam" is over, you will certainly find another resource somewhere on the planet where you can fight over.

      Then you will suppress people of nationality X,
      impose "the american way of live" on them,
      depose the legally voted or heritage based government,
      set up your puppet government,
      enable them to violate human rights and capture, torture, kill regime critics,
      actively helping your new cronies with your CIA and companies like "Blackwater",
      in parallel you set up a secret underground movement, to either
      capture/know/surveil the members of the group,
      or to prepare for a coup in case the crony government does not "behave" ... ... ...

      Of course in the end you have to (ab)use the conspiracy organization to overthrow your crony government, and surprisingly:
      the new government won't do as you wanted and fights you directly,
      or the new government ignites a new freedom movement, which will in the end fight you.

      Anyway, after 50 years you have a new enemy who is smart enough to fight you on your own ground ... surprise surprise.

      Rest assured, as the world is running out of religions: your next enemies will be more or less of mixed religions: 10% Atheists -- perhaps a bit more, 30% Christians, 30% Muslims, 20% Hindu.

      THEN: you finally will figure the people attacking the western civilizations are not doing that because they are Muslims and we are not. They attack us because *we* kill their families, children, mothers, grandmothers constantly/continuously since end of world war II.

      Your standard of living, the miracle that the US have one of the highest GPD per capita is because of the bloodshed you cause all over the world. You behave like a nation of pirates and idiots like you attempt hard not to notice.

      I'm an atheist, you fucking moron. If I would live in Afghanistan, I would either bomb Moskow or New York or both. No damn religion involved! What the fuck are you thinking? Everyone there who has nothing left to lose is an easy target for demagogue, the key attributes are:
      anger and rage (your family is dead, killed by bombs, disease, famine ... all avoidable)
      frustration, poverty, hunger
      loneliness, no family to come back to, no way to found a family
      etc.
      If now a "caliph" or "priest" comes and praises to you: stand up and fight and gain entrance to the paradise! The chose is easy for many of them!

      Anyway, blaming "modern war fare" on religion and calling the "warriors" "terrorists" is like calling "the resistance" terrorists.

      But you idiot don't even know how incredible big a "million" "billions" are ... so good luck with your religion ... hope your god smiles on you when you meet him.

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    13. Re:Why the fuzz? by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Mah, worth a read. As is Das Kapital and other "bad" books. I found it amusing. A bit repetitive. But every once and a while for a few pages I'd totally agree with him then it would be "because of the dirty jews" and I'd be thinking what wait, what?

      Example: he sees it as the job of the state to ensure that there are sufficient resources for the populous. Foreign/non-contiguous colonies aren't the answer because they are hard to defend and tend to revolt/separate. So you need to expand in your own boundaries. Germany being the largest population logically then should fight to have the largest landmass in europe. Also people of similar cultures and language should group together (hence Austria). A bit aggressive for my tastes but logically consistent. But then as mentioned, go off and blame all the problems on Jews and such, seems very tangential. Anyways worth a read.

      It perhaps sucks to be the author is such cases but I think at some level books that have truly historical significance shouldn't be copyrightable. It is one thing for the latest Star Wars movie or whatever, regardless of what they'd like you to think, not having seen it wouldn't be a great loss to you. You might miss out on a few inside jokes but your political/humanistic/whatever you want to call it growth wouldn't be stunted. Of particular obvious (to me) example for things that shouldn't be copyrightable: religious texts Scientology, translations of the Bible, etc for example. You shouldn't be considered a tax exempt charity because you are "working for the benefit of humanity" while charging a fee for the right to print your propaganda. They shouldn't be tax exempt at all IMO, but if they are they definitely shouldn't be able to prevent you from getting a hold of their books as cheaply as possible (your tax dollars have indirectly already supported their cause).

    14. Re:Why the fuzz? by jareth-0205 · · Score: 2

      Not to mention that it had been less than 20 years since the First World War ended, there was very little public support for another until it was obviously inevitable.

    15. Re: Why the fuzz? by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      No, Stalin expected Hitler to invade. He just thought Germany wouldn't invade until after they had defeated Britain/France /the US. Massive fortifications such as the Stalin line took years to build. The amount of fortifications Germany encountered in Russia (networks of interlocking bunkers and trenches miles in depth) give testament to this. The timing of the purges of the Red Army also points to the fact that he expected an invasion at a later date.

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    16. Re: Why the fuzz? by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Germany actually advanced pretty deep into Soviet territory, getting to the outskirts of Leningrad, Moscow and Rostov. They advanced as far as Stalingrad before the tables turned. What helped the Soviets was their strategic depth in territory - something that none of the conquered countries from France to Poland had. A lot of industry was just moved to Siberia so that it would be out of reach of the Germans in case Moscow fell. But all that was AFTER the invasion started.

    17. Re:Why the fuzz? by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Excepting that all of Western Europe was either already allied to Germany (Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria) or overrun by it (Poland, Benelux, France, Yugoslavia, Greece). Only countries in Europe that managed to stay out of it was Spain, which had a new Fascist regime in Franco, and a few others - Portugal, Switzerland and Sweden. Britain was fighting for dear life, and US public opinion at the time was strongly against entering a war.

    18. Re:Why the fuzz? by dywolf · · Score: 2

      war fatigue over WWI was a big part of it, which really, people today have forgotten just how utterly devastating that war was. But there was a reason people at the time called it The War To End All Wars: not because of the large numbers of people and countries involved, but for the sheer distaste for war it left in everyone's psyche. The numbers of maimed survivors and killed. The devastated countryside, thousands of square miles reduced to rubble and wasteland, littered with bodies.

      as well as for the same reason we don't stop Trump. dont forget that Hitler and party were popularly elected as resentment swelled. And among free democratic nations, we were hesitant to step into other countries and disagree with their elections, and try to change outcomes (that changed for the US following WWII ....). So should Trump be stopped now? He's spouting the same sort of populist rhetoric, appealing to the same desperate base of people. Should another nation step and stop him? Or let democracy take its course?

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    19. Re:Why the fuzz? by dywolf · · Score: 2

      There is no war against Islam except in the fantasies of extremists who wish it to be true.
      That means both extremists seeking to harm our country, and extremists like you seeking to harm an entire religion.

      You dishonor yourself, the thousands who died that day, the first responders who worked so tirelessly to save the survivors, and the countless American citizens who answered the call to serve their nation following the attacks. First responders like Police Cadet Mohammed Salman Hamdani, who died digging though the rubble. Or the 6000+ Muslim veterans who have served in the US Armed Forces since 9/11, some of whom I've had the pleasure to serve with, and some of whom died in that service.

      Frankly you're just the other side of the same terrorist coin.
      You and the others like you.

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  2. 3700 annotations isn't "demystification" by sehlat · · Score: 2

    It's more like an attempt to bury the book completely in the annotations so nobody wants to read it, including scholars. Which is probably the point of the exercise.

  3. Expiration by CanEHdian · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is about copyrights actually expiring thus "unlocking" the material from the equivalent of the Disney Vault (_citation_) so to speak; oh, if I only had a dollar for every person on Earth that does not know copyrights have an expiration date...

    That being said, in still Pre-TPP Canada, our expiration date is "only" half a century after the entire remaining lifespan of the author, so in this (and in many, many others) Mein Kampf has been in the public domain for two decades, and I don't see a large National Socialist Canadian Worker's Party.

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  4. Re: Great event! by TWX · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why would he be considered more than an editor at best? It is not The Diary of Otto Frank, or The Diary of Anne Frank and her father Otto Frank, it is The Diary of Anne Frank. He may have censored some of her adolescent sexual thoughts, but he didn't create any new content for the diary, he only removed existing.

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  5. Re: If only we could apply this to other works too by bestweasel · · Score: 2

    I was thinking the opposite, just publish it. Our societies are more and more afraid of letting people make up their own minds (however much of a struggle that may be) without guidance and context which add their own, often hidden biases.

    After reading that editor's comments, I half expect the book to be published with lots of crossings-out and big red scrawls saying, "WRONG!!! Do it again!!!! F minus".
    I hope the added material will try to be measured and reasonable for a critical reader to accept and not just say "Hitler bad". Which he was.

    I'd not heard of fisking before (outside file-systems) but I highly recommend Robert Fisk's "The Great War for Civilization".

  6. Re:Doesn't fair use permit critique? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Informative

    Have you read it? It's the mindless ramblings of a delusional madman with a combination of a persecution- and superiority complex.

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  7. Re:If only we could apply this to other works too. by unixisc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If only we could apply this to other works too... I'd love it if all copies of The Communist Manifesto came pre-Fisked. It would help people from getting confused their first year in college.

    That, and the Quran, Hadiths, Tafseers and Sira - the 'sacred' books of Islam. That is, take all these works, annotate them heavily w/ the critiques of Ali Sina, Srjda Trifkovic, Bat Yeor and others who have studied it from something other than a devotional approach, and then release it. Outlaw the original versions of Bukhari, Ibn Khatir, Ibn Ishaq, Jalalayn, Mawdidi and so on. It would help decontaminate the mind of today's Nazis i.e. non-agnostic Muslims.

  8. Re: If only we could apply this to other works too by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree - just publish it. If you're afraid that the population will be seduced by it, you have bigger problems than the book.

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  9. Re:Great event! by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Informative

    To be clear: there are two Anne Frank Foundations, both founded by her dad Otto. The Swiss Anne Frank Fonds which owns the copyrights to the diary, and the Dutch Anne Frank Stichting which amongst other things manages the Anne Frank house in Amsterdam. The Fonds claims that the father is co-author and that this means their copyright holds until 70 years after his death. The Stichting disputes the claim that Anne's father should be considered a co-author.

    One copyright expert has said that the claim of the Fonds has no legal basis whatsoever: a court will first have to recognize Otto as co-author, and it is very unlikely that they will do so for the original diary. Until that happens, they can not continue to claim copyright. One exception may be certain parts of the diary that have been published in 1986. Back then, copyright law in several European countries protected a work for 50 years after its first publication instead of until 70 years after the author's death.

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  10. Godwin's Law by tylersoze · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know who else wrote a book? Hilter!

  11. Re: Great event! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is free beer vs free speech personified. Why should we have to pirate what should belong to the world?

  12. Re:Just in time by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    IMHO, the book is probably only interesting to historians

    There is still a Nazi movement in Germany. When I was in school, there were people who liked to read it, although I wasn't sure why. Probably as a symbol of rebellion or something, I was never sure if they liked to read it or just carry it around with them.

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  13. Re:If only we could apply this to other works too. by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

    The same for the Bible since there are many different versions, not to mention the Old and New Testaments or the many books the Vatican refuses to acknowledge as part of its history, such as the Gospel of Mary.

    If one could get into the underground Vatican library and root around for one day, the amount of contradictory material and hidden treasures of Catholic doctrine being butchered would be very enlightening.

    I know someone who's sister does translations of old Latin and has been to the library. According to her, if you don't know the exact title of the book or manuscript you are looking for, the librarians play dumb.

    If you do give them the correct name, they get it for you. You are not allowed to go to the shelf/drawer/whatever to get it, presumably so you can't see what else they have hidden.

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  14. Henry Ford wrote large chunks of Mein Kampf by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Mein Kampf" was arguably a derivative work itself. There were a lot of others writing similar racialist pamphlets or books in the late 19th- and early 20th- centuries.

    Such as Henry Ford. Much of Mein Kampf is plagiarized from a German translation of Ford's The International Jew.

  15. Re:If only we could apply this to other works too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >Outlaw the original versions

    Outlawing books? What THE FUCK is wrong with you?

  16. Re:Doesn't fair use permit critique? by newbie_fantod · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's the mindless ramblings of a delusional madman with a combination of a persecution- and superiority complex.

    Are you referring to Trumps book or Hitlers book?

  17. Re:Just in time by Deadstick · · Score: 2

    There is still a Nazi movement in Germany

    Hitler's chalet above Berchtesgaden, the Kehlsteinhaus*, is now a tourist attraction, with a nice restaurant and tour guides who are quite upfront about the history. However, it has an ongoing problem with Hitlerpilger, "Hitler pilgrims" who hike up at night and leave little bouquets and love notes for the Fuhrer around the ruins of his Berghof nearby.

    *Non-German media call it the Eagle's Nest, after a metaphor attached to it by a visiting journalist circa 1938; but in Germany it is and always has been the Kehlsteinhaus, named for the minor peak it sits on.

  18. Copyright Law by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

    When can we end this insanity that is copyright? How does anyone think it is a good idea to allow copyright to be used to totally prevent and suspress the use of intellectual property?

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  19. Re: If only we could apply this to other works too by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    See, freedom isn't free. A lot of Captain Freedom types forget this, but the ideal of free speech doesn't exist because speech is harmless. It's simply a compromise - the oppression of dangerous speech is considered more harmful than the speech itself.

    Populations can be and have been seduced by this kind of material. In fact we are talking about a book that is quite famous for doing just that.

    If you truely believe in the principle of free speech you need to engage with this fact honestly and say "I am comfortable with the danger". Others (especially minorities) might take a different view.

    It was war reparations and the collapse of the German economy in 1931 and then the Great Depression that led to WW2, not a book, and especially not this book.

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  20. Re: If only we could apply this to other works too by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

    Hence the continued popularity of Che t-shirts.

  21. Re:Just in time by KGIII · · Score: 2

    Meh... I'm mixed racially, certainly not a skinhead or a Nazi, and I've read it. I even read it while I was still a teen. I did a report on it for a history class. The teacher was, shall we say, right pissed but she was unbiased in her grading. We had a *discussion* about what was and what was not appropriate material to present for in-class reports. That would be the same year I did an entire oral biology report on a sperm whale's penis. It was a rebellious year. It was the early 1970s, it's what we did.

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  22. Re:Doesn't fair use permit critique? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Have you read it? It's the mindless ramblings of a delusional madman with a combination of a persecution- and superiority complex.

    Yet apparently some academics think we need to be spoon fed their refutations alongside the book. So, in their eyes, it must be a powerful tome indeed.

    Which is really silly. I think most people are aware of the horrible things done under Hitler's rule - we don't need some academic to point out he was a madman. We should be able to read just the original text, and draw our own conclusions. I don't think many people will somehow conclude Hitler was a great thinker and visionary. Even if he somehow turned out to be eloquent, we have the lens of history to help us interpret his words.

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  23. Re:Just in time by Deadstick · · Score: 2

    Better Bier und Weisswurst than we ever had hereabouts...

  24. Re:Doesn't fair use permit critique? by rtb61 · · Score: 2

    Yet factually literally, it is still not as bad as the Bible, The Koran or the Torah, yet government does not do anything serious to reign in those works and force the editing to align with law, especially prior to their distribution to minors. When those works recommend or even worse demand behaviour outside of the rule of law, those who distribute them should be challenged, no excuses). Whether it is an older work or a more modern work they should be held accountable to the same laws equally, especially when the contents are actively taught to minors.

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  25. Re: If only we could apply this to other works too by ultranova · · Score: 2

    If you truely believe in the principle of free speech you need to engage with this fact honestly and say "I am comfortable with the danger".

    I am not comfortable with danger, which is why I'm trying to minimize it. And that means not giving the next Hitler wannabe a fully functional censorship machine to silence any opposition with.

    Others (especially minorities) might take a different view.

    They're free to do so, but in the light of the entire human history that makes them either idiots or Hitler wannabes.

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  26. Re: If only we could apply this to other works too by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    You know what I find really weird? 364 comments and NO mention of Godwin's Law. Oh well, someone has t do it!

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  27. A last! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    Donald Trump has his total party platform free of charge.

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