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Quantifying How Much the Force Is Used In Star Wars (bloomberg.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Bloomberg has posted a data visualization for a very important subject: how much, how often, and to what effect The Force is used in Star Wars movies. As you may expect, we see the light side of the Force used much more often than the dark side. Luke Skywalker spends about 11 minutes using the Force, but pre-Vader Anakin clocks in at under 3 minutes of Force time — less, even, than Palpatine. It also turns out that Jedi really love Force Leaping, while the dark side has a monopoly on making lightning and choking people. It's kind of silly, but also kind of cool. Bloomberg even posted their methodology: "To arrive at a figure for total on-screen Force time, we decided to measure cumulatively, by scene. That means when multiple people use the Force simultaneously, we counted the time only once. Light-side and dark-side times are the cumulative durations that characters associated with each side are depicted using the Force. When multiple characters associated with the same side at the same time use the Force, that time is also counted only once. When light-side and dark-side characters use the Force at the same time, the durations are scored separately. Each recorded duration is rounded to the nearest second, and no use of the Force was assigned less than one second in duration." (That's just a fraction of it.)
Bah, they forgot all the times Darth JarJar used the dark side of the force, from the force jumps to using a combat droid attached to his leg as an aimed weapon.
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But that still doesn't explain why Geordi wasn't able to make the TARDIS land on Miranda.
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How does the Jedi force reconcile notions on the conservation of energy? Is a Jedi knight a perpetual motion machine?
Fun stuff, but they haven't done it on the awesome new movie yet. Baffling.
I don't remember the good guys using the choke... it says Luke did it once. When was that?!?!
In The Force Awakens, you wonder if Kylo Ren is using the dark side 100% of the time or not. How will that be handled?
Jedi Mind Trick... are some species really resistant, or is it an individual thing? Jabba just had a strong will it seemed.
One great thing I learned in the latest SW movie is that you don't even need any training to use the Force! Just select a Stormtrooper and say slowly and firmly a command. If it doesn't work the first time, just close your eyes and breathe out and try again. Voila! It will work! And then after that you can use that same new found power to kill a guy who has been trained to use the Force. I don't know why Luke would even bother to try to train Jedi in the Force. You can pick it up in 15 minutes.
Which is the measure unit? MegaMidichlorians M[Md] ?
That is of course, assuming you are strong in the force to begin with and just had a huge demonstration on how the force is used to get into someones mind...
Why do you not think she would be able to use force persuasion immediately after she successfully resisting Kylo's mind assault? It would have opened up new pathways into understanding how something could work, kind of like riding a bicycle successfully suddenly clicks with you...
What's sad is that every one of the supposed "plot holes" like this one you picked are in fact not holes at all if you simply take ten seconds to think about what happened in the movie up to that point.
To see someone tear apart mot of the other similarly small-minded supposed "holes", read this.
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Oh please. Even Harry Potter is better than LoTR.
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Perhaps it was a dissertation for an ma?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
The Dark Side clouded everything in the prequels, according to Yoda. It brings to mind vulgar images of what Sidious and Maul were doing in the back room in the lead up to the trade disputes.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
They're both lazy plot contrivances.
Too much of the Force ruins Star Wars like too much salt ruins beef jerky.
Too much holodeck ruins Star Trek like too much hot sauce ruins a chocolate cake.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki...
It isn't? I must be confused than, cause I remember Yoda hopping all over the place in his battle scene, and as that site mentions, Luke used it in his battle with Vader in Cloud City.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Hours? It felt like parsecs!
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Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
They list 10 minutes of Force use by Leia in the 6 movies, perhaps that is what they are referring to?
I was wondering what Force Leia used in those moves, as I don't remember her using the force in a visible way.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
It seems obvious to me but doing this by screen time is silly- how about in terms of force in physical force terms? I would assume that levitating an x-wing fighter requires more force than hurling a pipe or choking someone. Lighting could be converted into joules etc...
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Actually, didn't Luke force choke on of Jabba's guards at the beginning of RotJ? Then again, I've also read articles talking about how he was probably a darkside force user at that point on some head cannon webpage.
Thanks. Force leap and push are just kinds of telekinesis. They only exist as separate powers in video games. Speed might be that, too.
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Same for choke, by the way.
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Where's the accounting for Anakin using the force to win the pod race? Because it wasn't covered with extra voice overs, we don't count it? How about the force working without a human guidance? How else do you explain the timing in the motivator blowing in the other droid so Luke must end up with R2, who is one of the most force-attuned robots in the universe?
And the force was strong with Han. He shoots to save Lando while blind in EP6. And the flight skills of him is force-touched.
If I were making the movies, I'd make a 6-movie arc with the first 3 about the destruction of the first order, and the last 3 about the force. Ray should balance the force. The thing we were promised in Ep1 that never happened? Anakin brings about balance. But there never was balance. The monastic extremists called Jedi are not balanced. With vows of poverty and celibacy, if the universe joined them, extinction would follow. That's not balanced.
The balance in the force is finding someone that can use the light and dark sides of the force at the same time. Someone who isn't monastically good, nor emperor evil, but in the middle. Then this balanced person, opens up the force to everyone. People like Han, Poe, Finn and more all exhibit the force at some time or another. So why do the evil Jedi keep the force to themselves, limiting entrance to the approved few? The Sith will let anyone with force train with them. So those strong in force the Jedi won't take have no choice but the Sith. Balance would be Force for everyone (please use responsibly). After all, everyone has it, not just Jedi or Sith. Some just have it more or less than others.
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telekinesis involved moving things other than yourself without physical contact. Long-range physical influence. Leap and push are both using the opposing force of your weight/pressure. Force Leap/Push use the force to increase acceleration, and thus provide more force. So nya.
True, my mistake.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
It was in a verbal way, the Force Bitter Derogation.
Ex. Princess Leia Organa: "Governor Tarkin, I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash. I recognized your foul stench when I was brought on board. "
Of course, the Gov. was also skilled in the way of the Force Withering Ripost.
Ex. Governor Tarkin: "Charming to the last. You don't know how hard I found it, signing the order to terminate your life."
sensing Luke under Cloud City is the only one that comes to mind.
No, no, all they did was count up the seconds. From the title of the article I was expecting to see force usage estimated in newtons or at least calories. THAT would have been too much time on their hands.
Also the darkside hides from the light side. All that hiding has to be some sort of force use. Seems to me the measurement process is missing the passive sensing abilities, like the ability to feel a planet full of people die without even looking for it.
If you are going to measure the use of force you need units and a strength measure.
How much force is that in midi-choloridian-seconds? And how do you convert that to Newtons (kg*m/s^s)
Summation of Force used?
Nah, that sounds like Work.
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So based on this, the Light side ludicrously outnumbers the Dark side in all measures including number of people using the force, number of times it was used, and number of ways it was used.
So if you want to bring balance to the force wouldn't you start doing so by eliminating Jedi? i.e Darth Vader was the chosen one?
The Force Awakens seems to me to be the one thus far where the force is applied disproportionately. When this page is updated with those numbers, it should stick out like a sore thumb.
They list 10 minutes of Force use by Leia in the 6 movies, perhaps that is what they are referring to?
I was wondering what Force Leia used in those moves, as I don't remember her using the force in a visible way.
In ROTJ after the Death Start blows up:
Han: I hope Luke wasn't on board. (aprox)
Leia: He wasn't. I felt it!
And at the end of Jedi: "He's alright, I can feel it."
Upon actually reading TFA, it does list Luke and force choking somebody. Obviously somebody, let's blame the editor, has a strange definition of "monopoly".
About that whole... "choking people" thing. Turns out, not so much!
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
I'd have to re-read it (it's been awhile), but, IIRC, in the book version of Return of the Jedi, Luke feels "dirty" when he force-chokes the Gamorrean guards. He also strays a bit in the extended universe and has confidence issues with staying true to the light side thereafter. (Yes, I know JJ Abrams shot down the previous Extended Universe canon, but that's how things were explained previously.)
It's a make believe movie, who cares? I USE TO be a fan of the SW movies, but, the hype & marketing of this one... I haven't even bothered to spend the money to see it. I'll wait til it hits the Redbox/torrents/netflix before I watch it.
Did Palpatine use mind tricks to ascend to power and/or to turn Anakin, or was he just that devious?
Let's be honest in real consumer terms with regard to long term value the movie is not doing so well,
You have got to be kidding. This is the only movie in over ten years that I have even wanted to see multiple times, much less actually gone to do so (I've seen it twice now and have plans to see it at least once more). It's already gone over multiple box office records but more importantly people are still going to see it in large numbers, and people are doing repeat showings. Go on any weekend and there are still lines for the theaters before it opens... contrast that with the Martian which I saw about a month after release, there were six people total in the theater and four were my group.
If you thought the stories were lame, you missed out on the REAL stories being presented and I feel very sorry for you.
I really don't understand where the hate for this movie in some people comes from, but from talking to people from all walks of life I do know you are in a tiny, tiny minority of people and that is borne out by not just sales numbers but what real people are doing in regards to movie visits...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
After watching six movies where they talked about years of training, and mastery, and even the masters not using the light side of the force much
But the movies (ALL of the movies) showed that under duress, or with a lot of innate ability, great leaps in ability would happen quickly, not slowly. The Jedi were just vasty cautious about teaching people but not all the jedi they trained had the levels of ability that Luke, Rey, or Anakin did.
You may think what Rey did was convenient and too super-heroish but in that case she would have taken out Kylo back at the forest planet. She wasn't super-heroish at all, she only just beat a very wounded Kylo Ren. It seems like people also forgot THAT whole part of the movie also when they think it unrealistic she could beat Kylo in a lightsaber fight.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Your points are mostly well addressed in the link I provided, you REALLY NEED TO WATCH THE MOVIE.
And your inability to even properly spell Rey once also really undermines what you are trying to say.
You are utterly, utterly wrong about the writing being shitty, you've just converted it in your mind into something shitty because you DIDN"T REALLY WATCH IT.
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Agreed, but isn't it an interesting subject to bring up for Star Wars nerds?
So I have to ask, doesn't it count when, for example, Anakin jumps out of his cruiser and falls to other ones - I mean, you can't do that shit without the force.
Stupid sexy Flanders.
"sensing Luke under Cloud City is the only one that comes to mind."
Except that's not due to Leia's usage of the Force but Luke's that calls her.
You need two telephones in a phone call. Leia wouldn't have heard it without being force-sensitive herself.
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"You need two telephones in a phone call. Leia wouldn't have heard it without being force-sensitive herself."
Yeah, sure. And the stormtroopers are also force-sensitive since those aren't indeed the droids they were looking for.
They just ignore how much the force is used when there was no camera. Such a death star does not build itself.
Po is such a poor replacement for Wedge Antilles and his explanation for survive was so half-assed.
"Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
Fair point. I suppose one could theorize that long distance requires sensitivity on both ends, while short range with eye contact can be single ended. But that's just a theory. So really, we're down to her sensing that Luke made it off the Death Star 2 at the end of ROTJ and maybe being more receptive to Luke's call in Empire. I suspect they're counting the Empire part in their 10 seconds.