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Hellfire Missile Mistakenly Shipped To Cuba

HughPickens.com writes: NPR reports that a Hellfire missile that was supposedly shipped to Europe for military exercises in 2014 somehow ended up in Cuba. It's still a mystery as to how the missile reached Cuba but the incident has "confounded investigators and experts who work in a regulatory system designed to prevent precisely such equipment from falling into the wrong hands." According to sources, Lockheed Martin sent the missile to Europe for a NATO training exercise — and on its return, it ended up on a plane to Havana, where it was impounded. A US government official familiar with the situation calls it a "dummy" missile that lacks a warhead or guidance system. Originally designed to be launched from helicopters, Hellfire missiles have also been used to arm drone aircraft in recent years — one was credited with killing "Jihadi John" in a US operation. Since the missile arrived in Cuba in 2014, U.S. requests for its return have gone unheeded.

142 comments

  1. In other words... by Forthan+Red · · Score: 1, Funny

    No warhead. No guidance system. So basically we shipped them a big paperweight.

    1. Re:In other words... by athmanb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It'd still be quite interesting to have a look at that missile. Even really basic things like hinges and reinforcement hull struts might give you ideas how to improve other missiles.

      Not that they necessarily are better but being able to look at how other people solved problems and compare them with your own solution has always been one of my favorite ways to gain knowledge.

    2. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why ship it anywhere in the first place? There's a shortage of cardboard tubes in Europe?

    3. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, according to "sources". It could be anywhere from an empty box to a fully loaded missile.

    4. Re:In other words... by hawguy · · Score: 2

      No warhead. No guidance system. So basically we shipped them a big paperweight.

      Or so the Pentagon says. But that's the same pentagon that lost the missile in the first place, so I wouldn't assume that they really know how inert it is.

    5. Re:In other words... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The worry is that there some sensitive technology on the missile without these systems.

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    6. Re:In other words... by TWX · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It'd still be quite interesting to have a look at that missile. Even really basic things like hinges and reinforcement hull struts might give you ideas how to improve other missiles. Not that they necessarily are better but being able to look at how other people solved problems and compare them with your own solution has always been one of my favorite ways to gain knowledge.

      If all it's lacking are the warhead and the guidance system, depending on what guidance system means, they might have everything short of the electronics necessary for function enough to fly. Is the guidance system partially dependent on the warhead? If a specialized warhead necessitates a particular way to control the device then this would make sense.

      While the guidance system is a very, very important component, having a known-functional design including all of the concealed mechanical underpinnings takes a reverse-engineer process a large portion of the way there, and even if a lot of new R&D has to be done to develop a guidance system, efforts can be focused primarily there as opposed to having to develop both the physical, and the software, through trial-and-error.

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    7. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither are your "corporations are people too", but you can't vote *them* out...

    8. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No warhead. No guidance system. So basically we shipped them a big paperweight.

      No, we shipped them a working missile. Yes, it's missing the guidance system, and the warhead. The warhead is fairly easily replaced. The guidance package not as easy to get, but with friends like what the Castros have, it's not unthinkable they could get one of those.

      Not that I think they'd bother outfitting a single Hellfire, mind you. But the rest of what's there might be interesting to other nations.

    9. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No guidance means, at best, it's a rocket, not a missile.

    10. Re: In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The balls are inert!

    11. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, according to "sources". It could be anywhere from an empty box to a fully loaded missile.

      The fact they didn't mention propulsion or anything related to flight capabilities other than 'guidance' makes me think it's probably almost fully complete. I would hazard a guess that by 'guidance module' they mean some kind of modular board which has CPU, RAM, storage, and the autonav software, along with mapping data and that kind of thing. I'm guessing the communications module is partially or fully intact since they also make a point of not talking about it. Although it might be partially dependent on the 'guidance system'.

      Anyhow, the point is that there's actually a whole lot of technology still inside a missile which is only missing the guidance system and warhead.

    12. Re:In other words... by crow_t_robot · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'm totally sure he is sending ordnance to Cuba on purpose without any of the neocons that are still lodged in the massive bureaucracy of DC not noticing and voicing themselves as they love to do. BTW, didn't Reagan illegally sell arms to Iran?......................

    13. Re:In other words... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Funny

      I suspect it was not a mistake. You have to remember that our "Dear Leader" is not playing for the home team.

      Alex Jones called - He wants you to come back because this is a comspiracy that needs looking into.

      I heard it was Oblama, Helllary, Michael Moore, and Barny Frank, broke into the warehouse this missile was housed in, killed all the medal of honor winners who were peaceably having their Thursday night prayer meeting for the unborn babies and the second amendment, then held a satanic mooslim death mass, before shipping the missile off as a tribute payment to their leader, Fidel (God of the Democrats) Castroil.

      You can use that as part of your conspiracy, reboot. Alex will love ya for it.

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    14. Re: In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it doesn't make a bit of difference. The balls are inert.

    15. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alex Jones called - He wants you to come back because this is a comspiracy that needs looking into.

      I heard it was Oblama, Helllary, Michael Moore, and Barny Frank, broke into the warehouse this missile was housed in, killed all the medal of honor winners who were peaceably having their Thursday night prayer meeting for the unborn babies and the second amendment, then held a satanic mooslim death mass, before shipping the missile off as a tribute payment to their leader, Fidel (God of the Democrats) Castroil.

      Kittens. You forgot the kittens that the medal of honor winners were taking care of and that the unholy 4 Horse Democrats of the Apocalypse killed on the way to their death mass.... ;)

    16. Re:In other words... by cfalcon · · Score: 2

      That's way too fucking paranoid.

      Lets pretend that Obama somehow, for some reason, wanted to get a missile to Cuba. Would this be a smart way to do it? One where it's on record and looks ridiculous? Especially the conspiracy-theory version of Obama you are implying exists- that guy would have all manner of crazy ways to do things.

      It's just like... man, can't you be real? You know it's not on purpose, and you know it's not some crazy plot. Can't you stick to calling out politicians for the shit they actually do, instead of making up batshit insane nonsense?

    17. Re:In other words... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If all it's lacking are the warhead and the guidance system, depending on what guidance system means, they might have everything short of the electronics necessary for function enough to fly. Is the guidance system partially dependent on the warhead?

      I'm pretty sure that the warhead is coupled to a guidance system. If you read the published specs you'll see that each warhead comes with different guidance characteristics, or vice versa.

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    18. Re: In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol! The balls are inert!

    19. Re:In other words... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Huh? What are you talking about, Obama and Moore as usual didn't show up, they're obviously too good for our li'l cult.

      Damn wannabes!

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    20. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I suspect it was not a mistake. You have to remember that our "Dear Leader" is not playing for the home team.

      You realize when you say things like that, people can tell you're delusional, right? Of course not. You're brainwashed.

      A lot of money was spent to set up hate-radio, wingnut blogs, and Fox News to fill Conservatives heads with disinformation to keep them confused and angry, so they follow their worst instincts and vote for dangerously stupid, and malicious politicians. Unfortunately confusion and anger eventually led to mass insanity on the right.

      The brainwashing that ruined people like you included cult defenses, so that you classify any accurate information as "Liberal" and to be ignored. The biggest problem with this is that now even if the propagandists that brainwashed you try to dial back the madness, your delusion will just expand to make them tricky Liberals to be ignored.
       
      I don't know if there's any way for people like you to find your way back to reality, and become anything like well-adjusted, reality-based people. Sorry for your horrible situation. I know it's awful being you.

    21. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahahha. The propaganda brigade is already here.

    22. Re:In other words... by 6ULDV8 · · Score: 4, Funny

      > It'd still be quite interesting to have a look at that missile. Even really basic things like hinges and reinforcement hull struts might give you ideas how to improve other missiles.

      No way they'd do that and risk violating the DMCA.

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    23. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OH no now cuba will see the weapon America uses to destroy weddings and hospitals in the middle east it is hardly new hardware.

    24. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you remember to breathe and swallow being that dumb?

    25. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need any conspiracy theories. Either this administration did it on purpose OR they are royally incompetent. Neither one is better than the other.

    26. Re:In other words... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I suspect it was not a mistake.

      You may be on to something. Obama probably used his marxist mind control to get Lockheed Martin to ship the missile to Europe and then have them send it to Cuba.

      He's a really powerful wizard, you know. That's how he's able to be totally stupid, weak and feckless and the most devious tyrant the world has ever known, simultaneously. It's black magic.

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    27. Re: In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama purposefully sent an unusable missile that is one of the smallest in our Arsenal to Cuba? Is that really an idea in your mind? Please kill yourself.

    28. Re:In other words... by KGIII · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What's sad is there are people who think Cuba is a legitimate threat. I am not a qualified political scientist but I have been to Cuba twice and enjoyed my visits. I'm also fairly familiar with Cuban history - as mentioned in a previous post, I'm quasi-fluent in Spanish which means I do well enough when I go. I'm also probably going to go back if I can get the missus her passport before I end up going back home - probably just for a week visit. I like it there.

      There is zero chance, in my non-professional opinion, of Cuba doing fuck-all with this. I'd trust Cuba with nukes. Seriously, I'd trust them with nukes. All they want, from what I can tell, is to be mostly left alone and to get fair prices for their sugar and cigars as well as being able to access some modern media more easily. They know where they live. They know what the world is like. There's no major underground rebellion forming/formed to oust Raul, Fidel has to be near 90 now, and they don't live in the Hermit Kingdom of North Korea - they know what the world is like and are seemingly pretty damned happy where they are.

      There is, literally, not one iota of worry about this. I'd expect them, if they have it, to simply offer the damned thing back. Just giving it back would be great diplomacy and be a rather nice gesture to make. Kind of like being the bigger man type of deal. It's Cuba... They're not dangerous or anything. If you get the chance to visit then go. Jump on it, don't wait to be asked twice. Just go. It's absolutely fantastic and the people there are some of the most realistic, genuine, decent folks on the planet.

      I've been all over the place and, really, I'd probably consider moving there if they'd have me. I never looked into it as I assume they don't want me. I'm retired and all and I've got plenty of money but I think that would be why they wouldn't want me. I can understand and respect that. Still, it's one of the most enjoyable places that I've ever gone to, and that's saying something because the agent lied (or was mistaken) and I did not, in fact, have any 'net access at all at the hotel and absolutely no connectivity with my phone the last time I went. Yeah, I had no 'net and still enjoyed myself immensely.

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    29. Re: In other words... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Now that I think about it - it would be the coolest conspiracy ever. Why? Raul could just have it unopened, hit it with some tamper-evident tape, and give it back. That would really be one of the most awesome diplomatic moves ever. I don't think anyone really wants to maintain the embargo any more. Well, some grumpy old people in Florida but, for the most part, nobody really seems to give a shit any more and nobody should be seriously taking Cuba as a threat to anyone.

      Now, this conspiracy is entirely unlikely but it would be awesome. If you seriously think Cuba is a threat to anyone then, well, I'm not sure what to tell you. They're not exactly going to be able to do a whole hell of a lot with a Hellfire. They are, literally, about as dangerous as a Teddy Ruxpin and Fidel's ancient and reminds me of a Furby. How is that not awesome? The people are reasonably content, healthy, educated, and aware of their situation on the planet. They really seem quite happy with it. The last thing they want to do is increase the tension levels at this point in life.

      So, it'd be a great conspiracy but it's not very likely. It's about as likely as Fidel going on MTV to do the Jitterbug live with Mrs. Obama as his dancing partner. It's also just about as threatening.

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    30. Re:In other words... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Heh... You know it's fucking crazy talk if people are suggesting we've a reason to worry about Cuba. :/ I already posted enough but it's kind of silly to worry about Cuba and yes, yes I'm old enough to kind of, sort of, remember the Missile Crisis. They mostly just want to be left alone but they do want some of those soap operas and Spanish hip-hop type stuff. Oh, and translated copies of James Patterson. There's no accounting for taste. (Yes folks, that's what is on those USB thumb drives that they spread around. It's not something like plots to overthrow the government. They're actually kinda content with their government.)

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    31. Re:In other words... by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not like he's Bush or Reagan, presidents who did actually sell arms, and lots of them, to actual enemies.

    32. Re:In other words... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What's sad is there are people who think Cuba is a legitimate threat. I am not a qualified political scientist but I have been to Cuba twice and enjoyed my visits.

      The whole Cuban issue was just a weird sideshow, and teh Cuban expats were one of the few minority groups who would support Republicans, So they held enormous sway despit their few numbers. And they hated Castro, so the Republicans did their bidding.

      It even got the Republicans to try to do an end run around their famous family values in the Elian Gonzalez incident, where Republicans opposed reuniting a child with his remaining parent. (we have found out since then that that the rights they champion end at birth) Obviously a child should be with their loving parent - I remember feeling badly for Marisleysis Gonzalez, who menatlally adopted the boy then fell apart continuously during the whole charade. But I digress.

      I'm also fairly familiar with Cuban history - as mentioned in a previous post, I'm quasi-fluent in Spanish which means I do well enough when I go. I'm also probably going to go back if I can get the missus her passport before I end up going back home - probably just for a week visit. I like it there.

      I'm going to go at some point, and have a bottle of fine cuban rum, and smake a cuban cigar - you know, the ones the politicians have all the time. Que Bill Clinton joke. I digress again...

      I'd also love to see all the old cars they maintained since 1959.

      Love to see old Havana.

      Ohh - moving to Cuba. 99 percent of the time, it's probably damn near heaven. But it seems to get hit by a lot of hurricanes. My guess it would probably be like Key west. A bit cheaper place for all us parrot heads to live. Summers might be a bit hot for some though.

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    33. Re:In other words... by Dave+Emami · · Score: 1

      No warhead. No guidance system. So basically we shipped them a big paperweight.

      Since it's solid-fueled it's probably launchable (no need to fuel it). No guidance means it can't hit a small or maneuvering target, and no warhead means it won't explode when it hits, but a 45kg object travelling at over Mach 1 coming through (for example) the windows of an office building could still ruin a lot of peoples' day. The Cuban government isn't going to do anything stupid with it, and they have probably have plenty of real, functional Soviet equivalents anyway, but it's good that this didn't fall into the wrong hands.

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    34. Re:In other words... by KGIII · · Score: 2

      I typed you out a giant wall of text and then I realized you probably wouldn't read it all. It was about the culture and the value of the automobiles as well as some details on how to get there before it is too late to bother going.

      So, I'll redo it instead of sending you a reply that you won't read (and I don't blame you - I probably wouldn't read it all either.

      However, right now you still can't go there strictly as a tourist. You can go, with permission, with some various regulations and anything can be considered "educational." The first time you go, get a guide. After that, guide yourself when you get back. That latter is only realistically possible if you are fluent in Spanish or willing to show that you're working really hard to learn it.

      Basically, go to Mexico or Canada and fly from those destinations to Cuba. Put a piece of paper in your passport and have them stamp that (they don't care). Going to Cuba without permission is technically illegal still. Then just put the piece of paper away somewhere handy or discard it just before leaving. Cuba only stamps once per visit (or that's all they've ever stamped mine) but it's better to wait until the last moment - in case they should change their policy.

      Cuban cigars are overrated. They are sweet and inconsistent. They are very well made. They are the best cigar at those prices.

      Cuban rum is very underrated. It's what a Jamaican rum wants to be. It's nice enough to drink neat but fine with a splash of Coke or an ice cube.

      You can only bring back $400 worth of stuff and that might seem like a problem. However, out of that $400 that you can bring back, only $100 worth of cigars can be brought home with you. They can only be used for personal use. Personal use, in this case, is pretty broad. Do not sell or barter any. It's not like they are able to effectively afford to everyone but I'd still recommend just sharing them unless you want to risk prison.

      That might seem bad but you will be quite happy once you find out what $100 of Cuban cigars, purchased while in Cuba, is a whole bunch of cigars. I mean, that's a lot of cigars. The exchange rate is, as near as I can tell, pretty damned good. I expect this to change rapidly, in the middle of this year they'll start allowing plain old tourism. count as a reason for visiting. That's bound to beat up the exchange rate pretty hard.

      Finally, the cars won't be worth a hell of a lot. You'll find mismatching body panels, wrong engine in the wrong car, a LADA bumper welded to the front, and a tractor engine from 1948. There is not one single vehicle that has even 70% of its original material. They might have a novelty value but that's going to get old quickly. There might be some value to the parts but it's going to be tough to actually figure out what those parts went to originally unless you're *very* skilled and can retain a huge amount of cars. They're not pristine cars or anything like that. Look a bit more carefully.

      I think the first cruise to Cuba, from the US, in like 50 years means that gets to Cuba sometime in May or June. I'd not be surprised to see it all changed within a year and a half from that day. That's why I've been so seriously considering going to Mexico and flying out. I'd like to see it one more time before it changes too much.

      Ah well, that's as concise as I can make it. I'm exhausted so I'm gonna snuggle up with the missus and the dog and see if I can't get some sleep. Sorry for typos or completely out of place words or punctuation.

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    35. Re:In other words... by bkmoore · · Score: 1

      No warhead. No guidance system. So basically we shipped them a big paperweight.

      No, we shipped them a giant model rocket!!!

    36. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rofl, there's wikipedia for that.

    37. Re:In other words... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Cuba used to be a threat, back when they had the military backing of the Soviet Union. A USSR outpost so close to the US was dangerous indeed, as it would allow for the launching of a surprise attack. These days, they are no military threat at all - but old disputes die hard, and their human rights record is still poor.

      Plus they sit so close by, taunting the US with their far superior public health statistics on a fraction of the per-capita medical spending.

    38. Re:In other words... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      However, right now you still can't go there strictly as a tourist. You can go, with permission, with some various regulations and anything can be considered "educational." The first time you go, get a guide. After that, guide yourself when you get back. That latter is only realistically possible if you are fluent in Spanish or willing to show that you're working really hard to learn it.

      There is a gardening show on radio with a fellow named Mike McGrath or McGraff. Based in Philadelphia. He was travelled to Cuba to to some lectures and research, so that probably fit the educational aspect.

      Oh boy, the language. Having taken both Spanish and French in high school, I find myself in the awkward position of seamlessly switching back and forth among the two. Certianly Quebecois find me a laugh riot, because they have their own version of French. I'm a little better with keeping my Spanish to Spanish, but not much.

      Basically, go to Mexico or Canada and fly from those destinations to Cuba. Put a piece of paper in your passport and have them stamp that (they don't care). Going to Cuba without permission is technically illegal still.

      Every time I see that or hear that, I'm struck by the insanity of it all.

      Cuban cigars are overrated. They are sweet and inconsistent. They are very well made. They are the best cigar at those prices.

      Cuban rum is very underrated. It's what a Jamaican rum wants to be. It's nice enough to drink neat but fine with a splash of Coke or an ice cube.

      Interesting. I'm not a smoker - quit in 1976 - so I might rethink smoking some cubans - well maybe just one. The rum however remains a matter of great interest.

      Finally, the cars won't be worth a hell of a lot. You'll find mismatching body panels, wrong engine in the wrong car, a LADA bumper welded to the front, and a tractor engine from 1948. There is not one single vehicle that has even 70% of its original material. They might have a novelty value but that's going to get old quickly.

      I guess that makes good sense in a country where there is so much ocean exposure. Stuff rusts, and in reality, mid 50's cars were not made to today's standards. I'ts fashionable on Slashdot to bemoan modern cars, but modern engines are built at a quality level that would have been called "balanced and blueprinted" back in the day. And the bodies are much less rust lusting.

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    39. Re:In other words... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      BTW, didn't Reagan illegally sell arms to Iran?

      All that was proved is that North (now a director of the NRA) sold weapons to Iran and Hezbolla not who ordered it. The Presidential Pardon that saved North from execution for treason and many other charges going right down to embezzlement implies that he was ordered to do so, but for all we know the real orders may have just been to find a buyer.

    40. Re:In other words... by crow_t_robot · · Score: 0

      Even if Reagan was too pussy to accept responsibility for his subordinates (you know, that thing commanders are duty bound to do), the fact is that the Reagan administration illegally sold arms to Iran.

      It would be nice for once if conservatives held St. Reagan, The Divine, up to the same scrutiny they put on Obama and Hillary.

    41. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My issue with Cuba, is not Cuba.... but what Cuba could do... sell it to an enemy we do worry about :/

      And the issue with Cuba and nukes, wasn't that they were Cubas... you think they would have been fired because Cuba wanted them fired? The Soviets would have kept the keys for those pups back in the day. It amazes me how much people have forgotten about the Cold War in just 20 years or so.

    42. Re: In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh. The soviets actually shipped nukes and delivery systems to Cuba and they were not used. Of course, the soviets shipped enough military with it it to protect the site. .. from Castro.

      Castro if he had his way would have used everyone of them even though Cuba would glow for a century. And he could have hit only the southern tier of states.

      I am not saying he was wrong but I really really think it was a bad idea. And that is all just current events, not the background history.

    43. Re:In other words... by clovis · · Score: 1

      From where I sit, the only interest the US government has in Cuba is Florida's 29 electoral college votes.
      And those 29 votes are dependent upon Florida's 1.2 million Cuban-Americans who historically only ask for one thing: A hard line against the communist regime in Cuba. It's an easy call for any politician.

    44. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter, so how in the name of fuck did that even happen.

    45. Re:In other words... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I am in Florida, right this minute, and I just "yelled" to the missus who is in the bedroom. (I didn't have to yell, really.)

      "Hey, will you look under the bed please?"
      *rustle rustle* "Umm, okay?"
      "Did you see a furry face with a groovy hat?"
      "No, why?"

      I didn't answer so she'll meander out in a little bit to see what the hell I'm on about. She's used to it. At any rate, there's no Castro under my bed. I have visual confirmation. Perhaps if we can get *all* politicians to stop taking a hard line against Cuba then...

      Hey, it could happen. Well, it could...

      I am up in the panhandle though - not many Cubans up this way. I don't know but maybe we could stop letting small groups of people drive policy? I realize that minority voices need to be heard in order to prevent the tyranny of the masses but, frankly, foreign policy probably is not one of those things. If they want to take a hard line against Cuba (possibly a valid point) then maybe they can do so on a personal level?

      Ah well... I suspect I'm bordering on preaching to the choir and that you're familiar with the details. I've always kind of held a soft spot for Cuba - even as a fairly patriotic American. It's the root for the underdog thing, I think. Getting to visit there was awesome and the place is much like I'd hoped it was. They seem to wear the Communist suit well enough, it fits them and they're mostly pretty happy. You don't need a guide or anything, you can meander around and talk to anyone you want. It's a pretty nice place.

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    46. Re: In other words... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I have no idea what you're trying to say. I'm quite aware of the facts surrounding the Cuban Missile Crisis. I don't think those are even debatable - being facts and all. Are you insinuating that Cuba would be a realistic threat today if they had nuclear weapons? I sense you're trying to say something but I'll be damned if I can suss it out.

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    47. Re: In other words... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      All sides? I can only find information that indicates some arms supplied to the rebels. What US arms are being supplied to ISIS? Or are you talking of the situation like Reagan and Bush funding and training Al Qaeda? Arming a group that changes allegiance later wasn't a problem when the Republican's funded the 9/11 attackers, but is now, when Daesh isn't striking the US? Such hypocrisy makes you look like a party hack.

      The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy is a lesson the US has learned may times, and forgotten the day after every time.

    48. Re:In other words... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Having only your prior posts to base this on, I suspect you'll enjoy Cuba immensely. If you're fluent in Spanish then you'll be even more able to enjoy it.

      Yeah, the insanity part of going to Cuba is, well, insane. I remember the Cold War, the Missile Crisis, and all that. I know from what it is based and, still, I look at it and it is silly. It reminds me of the insanity that is inherent in bureaucracy and I think the mental image of Vogons sums it up well enough.

      Try a cigar, it won't kill you. Bring a few back for your friends, they're dirt cheap in Cuba.

      As an automobile aficionado, I'm in love with the newer models and innovations. I don't understand those who deem themselves some type of purist or anything. I've what can only be called a "stable" full of varied vehicles - most of which would be scoffed at by a serious collector. I've spent absurd amounts of money acquiring and repairing them. One of my favorites is a 1982 Volvo 245. I sent it out to the West Coast to have it torn apart and rebuilt. It's like a tank and it has rear wheel drive - it's fantastic in a foot of snow and more fun than most people would imagine. I love my brick but most collectors would scoff at it.

      That said, a Cuban vehicle would mostly be of value as a curio and not much more to most. As a geek you might marvel at it, how it somehow manages to still work, and the ingenuity that went into making it what it is. As a collector? I see no market for it. Maybe as art. There might be a buzz and a short-term market. I kind of doubt it but we'll see.

      So, don't dawdle. Go, go with great speed and before they change! It's a great place and the people are awesome.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    49. Re:In other words... by clovis · · Score: 1

      So you're actually in lower Alabama. Ayup, there's no Castro in them parts.

    50. Re:In other words... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Not just Iran, also a terrorist group that had killed over a hundred US Marines less than a year before the sale of weapons to them.

    51. Re:In other words... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Try a cigar, it won't kill you. Bring a few back for your friends, they're dirt cheap in Cuba.

      As an automobile aficionado, I'm in love with the newer models and innovations. I don't understand those who deem themselves some type of purist or anything. I've what can only be called a "stable" full of varied vehicles - most of which would be scoffed at by a serious collector. I've spent absurd amounts of money acquiring and repairing them. One of my favorites is a 1982 Volvo 245. I sent it out to the West Coast to have it torn apart and rebuilt. It's like a tank and it has rear wheel drive - it's fantastic in a foot of snow and more fun than most people would imagine.

      The 245's are trmendous vehicles. at 30 plus years, it should be just about broken in at this time! When I bought my son and his fiance a wedding present, it was between a BMW M3 or a Volvo of I forget the model. Hard to go wrong with either, but he went with the M3. German engineering, or Swedish toughness and safety are hard to beat. If I didn't love me my Jeeps, I think I'd buy one or the other. And speaking of Volvos, here's one of my favorites https://upload.wikimedia.org/w... A friend who is sadly no longer with us had one of these. I called it the cartoon car, because it looked exatly like the cars I would draw when I was a little kid. That being said, it was a tremendous vehicle.

      So, don't dawdle. Go, go with great speed and before they change! It's a great place and the people are awesome.

      You sold me! Now I gotta go and sell the wife on it.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    52. Re:In other words... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It's a hideous orange but that's the color it came with from the factory. I'll grab a pic of it when I get home, if I remember, but I know I've put pics up online before - I just can't find 'em.

      I have a 1973 Wagoneer, with a PTO even. It's not factory, however. It has a lift and different wheels as well as rack and brush guard - oh, and lights. They are still the correct shape! They just aren't the correct bulbs. They are still within the legal limits - I'm not an ass and I know it's a tall vehicle. It also doesn't spend much time on the road. Well, not what most people would call a road. When it's off road, there are a whole lot of lights to turn on.

      It does still have factory sound. We don't need no stinkin' radio where we're going. It's a whole bowl of fun. I dread the day I get it stuck beyond what the winch is able to help with. It's actually fairly reliable but that's because I spend a bit maintaining it. I'd be comfortable taking it cross country. Well, assuming I had AAA and a tool kit. ;-) Actually, I suspect it'd do fine - I'd just have it gone over with a fine toothed comb before taking off.

      Oh! The PTO was hooked up to a sawmill at one point. It was used to saw some of the wood that is in my Maine house. It might only be the deck but it's still a fun thing you can do with a Jeep. They're all very specific vehicles for very specific purposes. The Jeep's for fun. It can do lots of things but mostly it's really good at making me smile.

      Hmm... I can't be positive ('cause stranger things have happened) but a GIS for "1973 Wagoneer orange" looks like someone might have decided to claim they own my Jeep on Pintrest. It looks like they have older pics - after I'd had the lift and sneakers redone but not yet added the rack and guard. I dare say the pictures look an awful lot like I recollect the ones that I took. (I went digging a bit more to see if I could find pics.) Ah well... I should find 'em and send 'em a message, asking them if they want to sell. ;-)

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    53. Re:In other words... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You really need some help. Seriously. You and APK should go join some group therapy and get this sorted out.

    54. Re:In other words... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Hmm... I can't be positive ('cause stranger things have happened) but a GIS for "1973 Wagoneer orange" looks like someone might have decided to claim they own my Jeep on Pintrest. It looks like they have older pics - after I'd had the lift and sneakers redone but not yet added the rack and guard. I dare say the pictures look an awful lot like I recollect the ones that I took. (I went digging a bit more to see if I could find pics.) Ah well... I should find 'em and send 'em a message, asking them if they want to sell. ;-)

      Which brings to mind - I have one of the Toyota mini RVs. And since they are for some weird reason desirable, there are a lot of scams on ebay and Craigslist for the things. I belong to some yahoo groups of Toyhome owners, and many of them have had their photos lifted by these scammers.

      If there is any for sale involved, you might put in a notice to the site. Although messing with the scammer can be fun too.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    55. Re:In other words... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Good thinking. I took a look earlier and, as near as I can tell, there's no indication that it is for sale. They seem to be claiming it belongs to them but the verbiage isn't all that clear - it looks like it's actually referencing a comment from elsewhere - buggered if I can tell from where. It looks an awful lot like mine - even the pictures do. 'Tis tempting to link, name and shame, and have some fun. However, I'm a grown adult so I'll *snicker* send an email along and see if they're aware that the vehicle has an actual owner. I'm not sure if they're claiming it is their Jeep or if they're saying that it looks like their Jeep? It's not like Pinterest has a whole lot of insightful and complete dialogue. I'll dig it out of my history and give it another look after breakfast, if there's a problem then I'll see what mayhem I can cause.

      I did, on the other hand, find reference to a Craigslist (not concerning mine) where the person was seemingly trying to sell one very similar to mine except they were claiming that theirs was one of the only two Jeeps with the factory installed PTO. While technically possible, it's highly unlikely that *any* were factory installed. They were installed at the dealership. That's my understanding, at any rate.

      I'd no idea you were a Jeeper. I've owned a few. I had an old Comanche at one point - it was a yard truck though, it had a plow. I eventually "sold" it to a neighbor. Traded is more like it. It would never have been roadworthy again unless I wanted to pretty much rebuild it entirely. I've had a couple of CJs and a Cherokee. I've had two other Wagoneers though one was a "Grand Wagoneer."

      If you maintain 'em, they're great. I know where there's a '47 with fewer than 15000 miles on it but it's not really worth saving. It really has fewer than 15000 miles on it. I drove from Augusta to a blueberry mountain over near Rome, Maine. It went back to Augusta once. It has spent the rest of its life on the blueberry mountain and in the fields. I knew the original owner, his son, and now his grandson. (The original owner had a patent on an electric winnowing machine. He sold the patent and that's how he bought the Willys. Or so the story goes.) I've thrown a low-ball offer at the son but he's never taken me up on it. It runs just fine and it's even got 4WD still. The body is shot to hell and back and I have no idea how much it will cost to restore it but, well, if he ever takes my offer I'll find out but it'd really be a labor of love at that point. Ah well...

      Heh, reminds me. There's someone in town with one of those windshield stickers that sits at the top and also shades the Sun. It's intentionally written upside down and says, "If you can read this, flip me over!" That makes me chuckle.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    56. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Basically, go to Mexico or Canada and fly from those destinations to Cuba. Put a piece of paper in your passport and have them stamp that (they don't care). Going to Cuba without permission is technically illegal still. Then just put the piece of paper away somewhere handy or discard it just before leaving. Cuba only stamps once per visit (or that's all they've ever stamped mine) but it's better to wait until the last moment - in case they should change their policy."

      As a Canadian who has been to Cuba, they didn't even stamp our passports. They said that they don't do it just so that it wouldn't cause any problems for us if we ever tried going to the states in the near future.

    57. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. I am in the Redneck Riviera. This is the place where they have the home of Spring Break - and not much else. During this Spring Break - which takes place over about a month and a half as the various schools all take them at slightly different times, there's one week in particular.

      They call this week, in particular, FAG Week. It is when Florida, Alabama, and Georgia all seem to get the time off. It is also when the majority of accidents, police calls, and injuries happen. They hire extra beach patrol officers - from around the whole area, and bring in people from all around Bay County as they all come stomping to the Redneck Riviera.

      Judging by your vernacular, I'm going to assume a level of familiarity. You know the big platform swamp buggies? They're like 6-8' tall - at the platform, and then have rails and regular bus seats on 'em? They use 'em to go out hog hunting in the swamps? You must know what I speak of...

      I have seen that going down the road, followed by a cop chasing a kid doing wheelies on his four wheeler, with the cop being chased by a beat up old 80's Dodge K Car with no driver's side door (actively chasing the cop), and not one of them went to jail. I understand that many folks might not have the ability to appreciate that but there's something to be said for that kind of enjoyment - while you can drive to the daiquiri stand, get one to go (gotta have the paper on the straw and tape over the hole in the cover) and stop at the drive-thru liquor store for another half-gallon of rum.

      There's something sort of special about it. ;-)

      I'm gonna post this as AC 'cause I'm probably running low on posts - I've been babbling a lot today so I'm probably starting to get close to the 50 post limit. Yes, yes I was that bored. I still have email that I'm trying to finish up. Seriously, 50 is a stupid limit and it doesn't go higher no matter how much karma we get. It might have made sense when Slashdot was still popular. I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense now. Judging by the moderation, averaged over time (of course), I'd say that the folks have decided my posts add value to the site - that's the good karma. You'd think they'd want *more* value, instead of stifling value. But no, nobody ever listens to a KGIII.

      Ah well....

      -KGIII

    58. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, they just stamped the piece of paper for me. I actually am Micmac so I have dual citizenship by grace of heritage - I'm a First Nations People... *nods solemnly* I do, technically, have a current Canadian passport it is "clean" as I've never traveled on it. I leave it in that status for a reason. If I leave the US, as a US citizen, then I must travel that initial leg (by law, as I understand it) on my US passport anyhow.

      That means I have no idea what their customs are to deal with the Canadian passport. It probably was in one of my bags as a "just in case" measure. I don't always go to nice places (I've gone into some details over the years so I'll skip them now) and having a "clean" passport should I need to move in a hurry or have my US passport confiscated is a safety step that I like to take - without violating any laws.

      That said, I'd not be the least bit surprised to find out that they treat the Canadians differently. Canada's not in the habit of trying to off Castro with poison cigars or the likes. Canada's pretty friendly like that and Canada isn't really afraid of Cuba or mad at Cuba - unlike my first borderline mentally retarded government. I didn't actually apply for and get Canadian citizenship until I was in my late 30s. As I understand it - I had citizenship the entire time but it was unofficial. The application is just a formality and my citizenship is based solely on grace of heritage.

      I've got family, and now some property, up in Nova Scotia. I have another small piece that has a fishing camp on it, that's a little closer to my home in NW Maine and I drive there a few times a year and brave the mosquitoes and black flies. It's just off the lake itself and would be more on a stream but some friendly beavers have come along and built a rather robust dam. It's not so much a single dam but more like a series of them and the trout are delicious.

      I'm in Florida for the winter and the missus, we're fairly recently stuck to one another - a matter by happenstance but not unappreciated, does not yet have her passport. That, when remedied, will mean I can take her to Canada. Because I use my passport, and not my license, when I cross - I'm not actually sure if the Maine ID is a valid entry mechanism any more. I know they were crowing about it and, while I think it's fine to get into Canada, we might be obligated to have a different ID in order to return. The funny thing is, it's not the Mexican border... I can go from my house to Canada, by snowmobile trail, without actually seeing a border guard and without anyone actually noticing.

      Ah well - I am low on posts, I think, as I've been particularly chatty today and there's a silly 50 post limit no matter how high your karma goes. So, I shall post this as an AC. 'Tis obviously me, nobody else is this verbose, has grammar this poor, and will chat about such inanities. There can be only one.

      - KGIII

    59. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been down there now and again, but no way would I be able to survive the spring break now-a-days.
      But I could do Marvel character "The Watcher" thing and have some vicarious fun up to my 10:00 PM bedtime.

      In these days of people going on about "cops are all thugs", the whiners should spend a couple of days with the cops during spring break, see what those guys put up with, what they let slide, and how much the cops put into just trying to keep the kids alive.
      Yeah, I know from personal experience that they're not all up to Mother Theresa's standards, but I could not do their job.

      I like it a bit calmer so I stay in Destin at this place. It's been a few years, though.
      http://www.hendersonparkinn.com/
      However, it doesn't allow children, which they define as anyone under 25, so you would might have to sneak her in somehow.

      And nobody listens to me either. Among other careers, I taught at a school for disturbed kids, so I have low expectations.

  2. If you really want it back... by johanw · · Score: 0

    Then we'll fire it in the direction of some US spy plane.

    1. Re:If you really want it back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah because that wouldn't be a quick way to turn your island into an atoll.

    2. Re:If you really want it back... by magarity · · Score: 1

      Except they're ground attack missiles. Very poor targeting performance air-to-air.

    3. Re:If you really want it back... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Who the hell do you think you're fooling? Cuba's not even a toothless tiger, they're just toothless AND that's a good thing. You don't need to put on a brave face and be tough. I've been to Cuba, more than once even, and I loved it there. There's absolutely zero chance at Cuba doing a damned thing with it IF they even have it. The best thing they could do is just give it back. Better still, invite Obama down to come pick it up personally. It would be the most awesome diplomatic gesture ever.

      Cuba's not even a danger to herself. They are, quite literally, harmless and that's fantastic. They're not a threat, they're not a threat to the US, they're not a threat to anyone else. They'd like to sell sugar and cigars (maybe some rum) at fair prices and be mostly left alone while getting to consume some different media. I kind of suspect that you're not actually *from* Cuba.

      If you are from Cuba then there's a pretty good chance that I'll be there within the next few months but only for a week or so, I won't have time for much more than that. I'd very much like to have the time to return. It depends on how smoothly things go here and the new girlfriend hasn't ever been out of the country. I think Cuba would be a fine place for her to see first. I'm not sure why, if you're really from Cuba, you'd type such silliness on the 'net. It's not like some of us don't know better. You guys are pretty damned harmless unless someone goes there and starts screwing with you.

      Giving the missile back would be a wonderful diplomatic move. Inviting someone to come retrieve it, maybe even doing something to prove it's not been tampered with, would be even better. It'd be awesome if Obama could be convinced to go pick it up. Don't worry, they've given up on trying to make Fidel's beard fall out and they won't poison his cigar.

      Cuba is not North Korea and we know it.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    4. Re:If you really want it back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they want to SELL stuff ? to US ?
      damn capitalists. next they might want to compete with our corporations. cant have that at all.
      BURN THEM ALL AND TURN THEM INTO A SMOKING CRATER.

  3. Hellfire wasn't canon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although I have a sudden desire to play Space Quest. This is the tree where you found the lute.

  4. Odds of getting it back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ZERO. For everything else, there's Cuban Express Card...

    1. Re:Odds of getting it back... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      "What missile, amigo?"

      --
      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    2. Re:Odds of getting it back... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      ZERO. For everything else, there's Cuban Express Card...

      Actually the marked it "Return to Sender" and gave it back to the US Post Office. It's anyone guess what they did with it. It's probably been sitting in the back room of some remote post office in Nebraska all this time.

  5. Confounded experts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This confounds the very experts who will look like incompetent nincompoops when they say "our investigation revealed that your system is broken and we screwed this up." So, rather than say that, they say "this is so mysterious, we can't figure out how this happened, something really extreme must have gone on."

       

  6. Since 2014? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and we lifted the embargo on these jokers? Obama plz.

  7. "Where do I ship this, sir?" by swschrad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Says 'Hell' does it not? ship it to Cuba."

    and so it goes

    --
    if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
    1. Re:"Where do I ship this, sir?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Says 'Hell' does it not? ship it to Cuba."

      and so it goes

      I know you are trying to crack a joke but it is only funny if Cuba was really 'Hell on earth' to live in but it is not. Cuba may not be the best place on Earth to live but it is not 'Hell', by any stretch of the imagination. If that missile was really being sent to 'Hell' by mistake by some sawdust-for-brains Marine Corps NCO I'd expect it to end up some place like Raqqa in Syria. Now that wold be funny because Raqqa actually is a 'Hell on earth'.

  8. Mental retardation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have had mail addressed to Japan ended up in Iran (and then returned after three months.)
    How the USPS manages to route a piece of mail addressed to Japan to Iran, is just as mysterious.

    1. Re:Mental retardation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I talked to someone who worked a few years ago as a grunt for a shipping service, FedEx I think. He was telling me how they scan the package as it goes into the truck, and what a big problem it is if the package is put in the wrong truck. (Even in this case which I think was two trucks going to different places in the same city, but I think if they caught a package that wasn't supposed to be on either truck someone further upstream got in trouble.) I was pretty surprised when I found out catching the wrong destination was a manual process, even though they were scanning it. You would think the scanner would beep or something if that package wasn't supposed to go that way, but NOPE. So I guess that's why the tracking history will show leaving Chicago or something, ending up in Wyoming instead of New York, and then going all the way back.. it's because someone put it on the wrong truck/plane to Wyoming, and even though they scanned it as it was loaded the system software isn't smart enough to know, hey wait, package is headed the wrong way! It has to actually get to Wyoming for someone else to sort it into the pile headed in the right direction.

      So I imagine in the same way stuff occasionally mistakenly gets put on a plane to cuba from Europe, and probably usually gets put back unless it violates Cuban restrictions, and this package caught someone's eye. And this package was probably ok to ship classified material to countries that aren't NK/Cuba/Iran, but oops didn't go where it was supposed to.

    2. Re:Mental retardation by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      > How the USPS manages to route a piece of mail addressed to Japan to Iran, is just as mysterious.

      They probably stuffed it into the sack for "stuff destined for countries ending in -an", and then it got jostled later....

  9. School girls by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Since the missile arrived in Cuba in 2014, U.S. requests for its return have gone unheeded."

    But boy do they giggle like school girls every time the next request comes in.

    --
    Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
    1. Re:School girls by voss · · Score: 1

      Well they have our missle, we have 45 square miles of their territory.

    2. Re:School girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But we have wonderful relations with those Communists now. Obama told me so, right before he mentioned how ISIS was contained.

    3. Re:School girls by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      Historically, unless the countries are at war, these things are returned. When Cuban defectors flew MiGs to the U.S., the planes were returned. Completely disassembled and shipped back in crates, but they were returned. Same thing with the U.S. EP-3E which landed on Hainan Island. China returned it to the U.S., in crates after they'd completely taken it apart, but they returned it. The U-2 plane which the Soviets shot down was also returned, minus the film and a few pieces of the plane which are still on display in a Moscow museum.

      If Cuba won't return the missile, that puts them in the company of Iran, who flaunted International law and precedent by not returning the U.S. spy drone which landed in their country, and North Korea, which still holds the USS Pueblo.

    4. Re:School girls by germansausage · · Score: 1

      Flouted not flaunted. The English, she is very tricky, no?

    5. Re:School girls by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      We should give them hell.

      --
      Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
    6. Re:School girls by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      Cuba probably tosses those requests onto the pile of undeposited rent checks we sent them for Gitmo.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      --
      A NYC lawyer blogs. http://www.chuangblog.com/
    7. Re:School girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently giving the US "the finger" does not amount to nothing much if these two countries are used as a measurement then...?

    8. Re:School girls by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I don't want to give North Korea any credit here but we are, technically, still at war with Best Korea - sort of. The war is still at armistice stage and there is no formal treaty and the US will not sign a treaty at this point because of their nuke program.

      However, we don't have a damned thing to worry about with Cuba - seriously. I know, I've said this in the thread already but there's literally nothing to worry about. Canada is more likely to wage war on the US than Cuba is. (They're also able to do more damage than Cuba can.)

      And, again - seeing as you probably didn't see it, if you get the chance to go to Cuba then do not wait to be asked a second time - go. Jump on it. It is awesome, the people are awesome, and it's a fantastic place. I'm old enough to kind of remember the tension of the Missile Crisis (I was five, I think?) and then the continued propaganda about Cuba. Cuba's fine. They're kind of awesome, actually. There's someone professing to be from Cuba (or at least saying "we") but I don't think they're really Cuban or, if they are, they're trolling.

      Cuba is, literally, harmless unless you go poking at them. Even then they're not going to be able to do a whole hell of a lot but you're completely safe unless you go poking at them.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    9. Re:School girls by jandersen · · Score: 1

      If Cuba won't return the missile...

      Well, it's still early days. They will probably return it once they have analysed it throughly; possibly in the form of finely ground powder.

    10. Re:School girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh god damn it, you're letting them into our little secret. Don't you know that the thing Canadians and Europeans love most about Cuba is that there are no Americans there?

    11. Re:School girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If Cuba won't return the missile, that puts them in the company of Iran, who flaunted International law and precedent by not returning the U.S. spy drone which landed in their country, and North Korea, which still holds the USS Pueblo.

      Uhm.. Did you even think before writing that?

      "Oh, no! They are not returning our equipment that we violated their territory with! Them are the bad guys!"

      Yes, I'm sure the US will return any Russian spy drones flying over US territory too.

    12. Re:School girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that missile could make that a mere 37 square miles.

    13. Re:School girls by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 1

      Did you even read the grandparent's examples? The U.S. has returned equipment like that to hostile countries before. Yeah, I assume any spy plane would be taken apart, recordings deleted or destroyed, etc., but it still gets returned, assuming the owners admit to it being theirs.

      --
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    14. Re:School girls by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Maybe they're not done taking it apart yet?

  10. I call this "Late breaking news" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Missile shipped to wrong country almost 2 years ago and slashdot crowd just got wind of it. Definitely late breaking news.

    ROFLMAO

  11. Probably USPS' fault.. by GrBear · · Score: 4, Informative

    Seriously.. I ordered an open source Smoothieboard (for a 3D printer) from the US to Canada. It left Idaho, went to Los Angels and then went to Tokyo where it sat for two weeks.

    https://tools.usps.com/go/Trac...

    Doesn't surprise me anymore when shit ends up going to the wrong place.

  12. Why, not how by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's still a mystery as to how the missile reached Cuba

    On a plane. Says so in the summary.

    Why it went to Cuba is the mystery.

    --
    systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    1. Re: Why, not how by guruevi · · Score: 1

      But how does military equipment like a missile get on a civilian plane in the first place? Did it drop off the truck at the military airport and get mixed up with someone's luggage at the nearby civilian airport or did they just use UPS?

      --
      Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
    2. Re:Why, not how by aix+tom · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wall Street Journal seems to know. Sub-Sub-Sub-Contractor mix-up it seems.

      The people familiar with the case said the missile was sent to Spain and used in the military exercise. But for reasons that are still unclear, after it was packed up, it began a roundabout trip through Europe, was loaded onto a truck and eventually sent to Germany.

      The missile was packaged in Rota, Spain, a U.S. official said, where it was put into the truck belonging to another freight-shipping firm, known by officials who track such cargo as a “freight forwarder.” That trucking company released the missile to yet another shipping firm that was supposed to put the missile on a flight originating in Madrid. That flight was headed to Frankfurt, Germany, before it was to be placed on another flight bound for Florida.

      At some point, officials loading the first flight realized the missile it expected to be loading onto the aircraft wasn’t among the cargo, the government official said. After tracing the cargo, officials realized that the missile had been loaded onto a truck operated by Air France, which took the missile to Charles de Gaulle Airport in Paris. There, it was loaded onto a “mixed pallet” of cargo and placed on an Air France flight. By the time the freight-forwarding firm in Madrid tracked down the missile, it was on the Air France flight, headed to Havana.

      Attempts to reach Air France were unsuccessful.

    3. Re:Why, not how by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Vacationing with Rahm Emanuel

    4. Re:Why, not how by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple. It went to Cuba, because someone put it on a plane that went to Cuba.
      Why it was put on a plane going to Cuba is the real mystery.

    5. Re:Why, not how by dohzer · · Score: 1

      Because it was put on a plane bound for Cuba.
      Do I have to explain everything!?

    6. Re:Why, not how by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, not really. They were sent to Cuba, Portugal, Europe.

      Oh... and the local power elected around there is communist.

      (NATO Air force base near Beja city, Portugal)

    7. Re:Why, not how by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 1

      It's still a mystery as to how the missile reached Cuba

      On a plane. Says so in the summary.

      Why it went to Cuba is the mystery.

      Pretty sure why is answered too. It went to Cuba because it was aboard an a plane that went there.

      --
      "Oh no... he found the .sig setting."
  13. The Republicans wanted this to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They want war.

    1. Re: The Republicans wanted this to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's how they be.

    2. Re: The Republicans wanted this to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they're getting cuba's help with stacking us up like cordwood at Gitmo.

    3. Re: The Republicans wanted this to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And helping fascist juntas is the way of their kind.

    4. Re: The Republicans wanted this to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how they be is how they be.

    5. Re: The Republicans wanted this to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this also provides for corporate welfare when we have to give Boeing more billions because they gave away technology.

    6. Re: The Republicans wanted this to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this gives those Republicans an excuse to invade Cuba. invade Cuba.

    7. Re: The Republicans wanted this to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's how the Bush Crime Family got the SCOTUS to appoint a street thug as president.

    8. Re: The Republicans wanted this to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This will result in billions to be given to the military industrial complex that hates us and wants us to die.

    9. Re: The Republicans wanted this to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is the future those republicanz wantz 4 us all

    10. Re: The Republicans wanted this to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Witch iz why's dey due diz.

    11. Re: The Republicans wanted this to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > ...to invade Cuba. invade Cuba.

      Why do liberals always repeat themselves?

    12. Re: The Republicans wanted this to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And will use any excuse to murder.

    13. Re: The Republicans wanted this to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because of their small brain size. They can't remember anything that happens more than 5 minutes.

  14. Overkill by onkelonkel · · Score: 2

    Talk about overkill. A hellfire has a 20 lb high explosive warhead that can take out a main battle tank. They must have wanted Jihadi John killed really really dead.

    --
    None of them can see the clouds; The polished wings don't care.
    1. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasnt overkill, it was an easy way out. That monster *deserved* a slow beheading with a blunt pocket knife.

      But doing that would make us no better than that piece of shit.

      So hellfire it is.

      At least hes dead, he cant hurt anybody else now.

      Sigh...i sooooooo wish there actually was such a thing as Hell, just for dogs like him.
      Oh well, wishing wont make it so.

    2. Re:Overkill by Z80a · · Score: 2

      Well, we still don't have the technology to make missiles that slowly beheads with a blunt pocket knife.

    3. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A hellfire has a 20 lb high explosive warhead that can take out a main battle tank."

      Probably not against modern armour. 20lb undirected explosion will not destroy a MBT. Hellfire has a shaped charge warhead to created a high speed cutting lance to breach he armour in a small area and start an internal fire. Modern MBTs have armour designed to prevent this cutting lance effect from being formed properly. The more modern Hellfire II has a tandem shaped charge warhead to defeat a single layer of protection, which should defeat such protections on all but MBTs with multiple layers of protection. Hellfire II has multiple warheads depending on application, you've got HEAT for anti-armour, thermobaric for unprotected buildings, etc and a simple blast fragmentation for use directly against people. The later is what they would have used on Jihadi John.

    4. Re:Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was taken out by a drone, which carries the Hellfire II. The Hellfire II is produced is multiple variants besides anti-tank:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-114_Hellfire

      "AGM-114K high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT), AGM-114KII with external blast fragmentation sleeve, AGM-114M (blast fragmentation), and AGM-114N metal augmented charge (MAC)—achieve pinpoint accuracy by homing in on a reflected laser beam aimed at the target. Predator, Reaper and AH 665 Tiger, UCAVs carry the Hellfire II"

  15. Meanwhile in Afghanistan... by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile in Afghanistan, a marine is un-crating a gift basket with a letter expressing "joy and cooperation in our future". Nothing unusual with supply. Moves on to next crate without thinking about it.

    --
    For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  16. greenwow is an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's why everyone wants him to go away

  17. With no guidance system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What use would it have in an exercise?

    Oh we're just going to fire it and see were it goes?

  18. Dear Leader by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Now now...be careful....saying something against Hussein Obama could get you banished from /. ;)

    1. Re:Dear Leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congrats, wingnut propaganda ruined your mind.

    2. Re:Dear Leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, you can show us a user that was banned from /. because of ".saying something against Hussein Obama" ??

      Right ;)

  19. OH NOES!!! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    They lost a run-of-the-mill cold-war-era missile!?!? ZOMG TEH SECRET ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES!!1uno

    --
    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  20. Cacafuego by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    dammit.

  21. Well at least.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they didn't DROP them on Cuba.

  22. ups... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    strikes again. surprised they didn't set it off in-transit.

  23. Marco Rubio by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    I love how Senator Rubio fired off a public message condemning them for hiding the fact that they misdirected mail to Cuba. I can see the exchange now...

    "You've been concealing the fact that you used the wrong zip code on our missile from the American People!" --Sen. Rubio
    "And you've been concealing the fact that you're a Moron." --State Department
    "Touche."

  24. Old trade show trick by swm · · Score: 3, Informative

    on its return, it ended up on a plane to Havana

    Show is over.
    Everybody is tearing down and packing up; there is equipment and boxes everywhere; everyone wants to get home; no one is paying attention.
    Wander by a stack of your competitor's boxes, slap your shipping label on top of theirs; wander off.
    A week later you have their box on your loading dock.
    Reverse-engineer at your leisure.
    When you are done, call them up, tell them one of their boxes got misdirected, and where would they like it shipped to?

  25. first the Soviets, now the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does everyone keep shipping missiles to Cuba?

  26. With the Cubans ability to repurpose... by Jahmbo · · Score: 1

    Look for a 1953 Oldsmobile powered by a Hellfire rocket motor on the next episode of Cuban Chrome.

    1. Re:With the Cubans ability to repurpose... by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Look for a 1953 Oldsmobile powered by a Hellfire rocket motor on the next episode of Cuban Chrome.

      With the guidance fins welded to the rear-end. Sweet!

      --
      His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
  27. Receipt of Unsolicited Merchandise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From postal regs

    A company sends you a gift in the mail--a ball point pen, a key chain, a tie. But you didn't order it. What do you do? If you are the type of person this company is looking for, you may feel guilty about accepting the item without paying for it. Don't feel guilty! It's yours, and you are under no obligation to pay anything. You, the consumer, may only legally be sent two types of merchandise through the mail without your consent or agreement:

    • Free samples which are clearly and conspicuously marked as such.
    • Merchandise mailed by a charitable organization that is soliciting contributions.

    And in these two cases, you can consider the merchandise a gift if you wish. In all other situations, it is illegal to send merchandise to someone, unless that person has previously ordered or requested it. These rules are codified in Title 39, United States Code, Section 3009. That section of the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970 incorporates these protections for American consumers and makes the mailing of unordered merchandise unfair methods of competition and unfair trade practices under the law.

    If you do not wish to pay for unsolicited merchandise or make a donation to a charity sending such an item, you may do one of three things (in each case, by law, you have no obligation to the sender):

    • If you have not opened the package, you may mark it "Return to Sender," and the Postal Service will return it with no additional postage charged to you.
    • If you open the package and don't like what you find, you may throw it away.
    • If you open the package and like what you find, you may keep it for free. In this instance, "finders-keepers" applies unconditionally.

    Furthermore, it is illegal for a company that sends you unordered merchandise to follow the mailing with a bill or dunning communication.

  28. the joke was military command = ignorance by swschrad · · Score: 1

    but hey, point well taken. unless you like dissenting with authority, and having stuff. in which case, Cuba is still a notch below, say, Langdon ND in the depths of winter. 50 below does keep much of the riff-raff out.

    --
    if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
  29. Shipped to where? by clovis · · Score: 1

    It sounds to me like the missile was to be shipped to an address in Florida, but it was placed on an Air France airplane that had an intermediate stop in Cuba.
    Cuban customs found the missile and impounded it.

    Is that a little closer to what happened?

  30. "hellfire" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    send the fucker back. done.