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What Spotlighting Harassment In Astronomy Means
StartsWithABang writes: Geoff Marcy. Tim Slater. Christian Ott. And a great many more who are just waiting to be publicly exposed for what they've done (and in many cases, are still doing). Does it mean that astronomy has a harassment problem? Of course it does, but that's not the real story. The real story is that, for the first time, an entire academic field is recognizing a widespread problem, taking steps to change its policies, and is beginning to support the victims, rather than the senior, more famous, more prestigious perpetrators. Astronomy is the just start; hopefully physics, computer science, engineering, philosophy and economics are next.
Popcorn at the ready! :)
Here come the false accusations and public opinion trials where your guilt is presumed.
I'm an astrologer and I frequently encounter harassment from mainstream astronomers and academics, so it swings both ways.
Who are these people? Why did you separate a list of names with periods?
What did they (allegedly) do? How do you know there are "a great many more" who have done, and are still doing, the same?
For bonus points:
When were these things done?
Where were they done?
Why? How?
FUCK!
Shall we just call it human nature?
And oh, what a Captcha: playboy
everything in space is exactly what & where it should be... spirit of creation provides more than enough of all we need... truth+mercy=justice
"hopefully physics, computer science, engineering, philosophy and economics are next."
Don't you really mean, "hopefully this is only a problem with astronomy and no matter how deep we dig we will not find this issue in any other field"? Do you really hope this issue is widespread?
I have never seen so many incomplete sentences in one paragraph before. This is crazy. Poor quality topic, poor quality summary.
Is soulskill posting these angrily while coming down between crack cocaine hits? I guess slashdot is too annoying for him to remotely try, but it does pay for the cocaine...
His conduct was unwelcome to me! BURN THE WITCH!!
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Published on Jun 22, 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
As demonstrated by some of your moderation, analysis and intellectual response is unwelcome conduct in the field of social justice.
Well, you know what to do next time someone tells you to check your privilege -- by which they mean "shut up, independent white male". That kind of aggression is primarily based on race, sex, and ability.
It's the gravitational gravitational lensing created by Ethan's ego
So, the last link is for the Starts With A Bang blog, which is on forbes.com. They have their silly "turn off adblock" policy, so I don't get to read it because I use Ghostery. Not reading this particular blog is not a huge loss for me, after all it's a speck of dust in an infinite internet universe of interesting stuff. When enough feel like I do, it'll be a much bigger loss for the blog, and indeed for Forbes.
It's kind of sad when smart people implement dumb solutions.
Can you not turn slashdot into a fucking cesspool of faux-masculine, overcompensating, closeted homoerotic, self-labeled-as-alpha, hose-the-decks-down-with-cum, my dad can beat up your dad, flat-brim hat wearing, ass-slapping, sports-culture-vore douchebags? They have a reddit for that.
Yes, for the the snowflakes who consider the sentence "I disagree with you" to be hate speech, I must be a monster.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Mod parent down.
Chuuch. Preach. Tabernacle.
Does harassment exist? Sure they do. So do sociopaths, thieves and other lowlife scum. However, I remain unconvinced that this is any sort of widespread problem. More than thirty years in tech, and I have yet to see first-hand, or hear second-hand, of one, single harassment case. I read about incidents in the news, but like weird accidents, they seem to make the news precisely because they are unusual.
The people pushing this stuff claim to be helping women. In actual fact, they couldn't hurt women more if they tried. In a professional context, men actively avoid meeting one-on-one with women. Two people need to talk about a project? If it's a man and a woman, the man (if he has a brain) will refuse to meet anywhere but a public space. No man will mentor a women, for fear of being accused of ulterior motives. Male-dominated teams actively avoid hiring women, because doing so risks unfounded harassment complaints, gender discrimination lawsuits, etc..
We have a new shill for Forbes.com
Remember: StartsWithABang submits articles for the sole purpose of driving traffic to his own articles on FORBES. Forbes is unworthy both for supporting content like this, and for their aggressive pro-malware stance for adblock suppression.
They forgot to add:
"harassment, defined as unwelcome conduct that is based on race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, disability or genetic information (unless it's directed against a white heterosexual male, who it's impossible to discriminate against)."
What harassment? Sexual? Physical? Racial?
You can't just go on about something you haven't even told us about yet.
It's gender discrimination the editor was talking about by the way. You have to be clear in these situations because every special snowflake is being "discriminated against" in some way either because the way someone fucking sits or because someone doesn't automatically know they are a genderfluid, cross horse/dragonkin from Planet Zarblox X and are only attracted to slightly rounded triangles.
It's a good thing that problems like this are being tackled, but nowadays I'm always skeptic when people start trying to make a deal of it because most of the time it's someone being over sensitive because they wore cat ears and a tail to a job interview and yell "DISCRIMINATION" or "CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE" when they don't get the job.
That's what SJW's have done to actual battles for equality: they've bastardized it and made it less than it actually is by yelling louder than the people who experience the ass slaps or slurs or unprofessional jokes.
Everyone's so eager to be offended.
Well, that's not quite right.
"Unwelcome conduct" is unidirectional. If you are anything than a white male, you are good to go. I'm uncertain of this weeks' iteration of the progressive stack, so some groups have more standing in this regard, but the claims only move along the stack.
I mean if a transgendered midget lesbian black woman had made the same comments as Tim Hunt, there wouldn't have been even close to the same degree of scrutiny.
But a white male? Now we have a harassment problem in the sciences.
slashdot, can we focus on stuff that matters to nerds and dispense with the SJW fridays, please??
thank you.
That's not how most sane, non-SJW's define it.
That's how it's been defined in private industry for decades (although it has eased off a bit in recent years).
If a member of a protected class feels threatened or uncomfortable, they were harassed. Period. Should I tell a woman I like her new haircut? Nope - that can be taken as a sexual advance - lawsuit time.
Too bad it's on Forbes and there is no way I will turn off my adblockers to view the page.
It should be investigated in all scientific disciplines. The more theoretic a field is, the greater the chances of "appealing to authority".
Click here to find out what happens next! The answers will shock you! -Ethan
I can't believe that in this day and age people are harassing astronomers with spotlights. It's not only anoying in that it constricts the astroner's pupils and allows them to see less light and fewer stars, but if the spotlight is biright enough and the magnification of the telescope is strong enough, that bright light could cause blindness.
First it was lasers aimed at airplanes, now it's spotlights aimed at astronomers. What's next? Shooting bottle-rockets at cattle ranchers?
I tell a woman I like her new haircut? Nope - that can be taken as a sexual advance - lawsuit time.
Yeah, but if you don't talk to her, then you're excluding her--which is also harassment.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
I read the mashable article and of the 6 panel ad at the bottom, 2 of the panels had a picture of a mostly naked woman. And I browse with self-destructing cookies, so this was their random ads for an unknown pageviewer.
At the very least, it was written in a "clarity, logic, and grammar are optional" field of some sort.
Mars' surface is red, not the atmosphere which is practically invisible since it is so low pressure.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
You mean the comment to your coworker that "The view of Uranus is lovely tonight!" is no longer considered appropriate? Kill joys!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Just so you know, the relentless barrage of articles about alleged rampant harassment in science and technology is harassment of your main audience. If you want Slashdot to be a feminist blog, just say so. I think the appropriate warning is: Careful what you wish for. I have cancelled decade-long subscriptions to magazines which thought it wise to "expand" their audience by sucking up to the feminist agenda.
If we all get together, we can end this deplorable practice in a few months. There is no reason why we have to allow this harassment to go on! It really pisses me off that most victims have to face this alone and afraid.
If you know anyone who might be a victim of this pernicious evil, or who falls into one of the demographics likely to be exploited by it, please make sure that they get a copy of the Survival Guide ASAP. It can literally change his life.
The rest of the book is pretty good too.
See that "Preview" button?
Yeah, but how else would Slashdot get clicks for internet drama?
Some people don't believe in fairies. I don't believe in The Patriarchy.
Friday (check)
SJW stock (check)
StartsWithABang (check)
Yeah, let's bring a Beowulf clusterfuck of this!
This is actually a step up from his usual posts which only include a link to his blog. Unfortunately he's missed the memo that many if not most Slashdot readers are tired of the gender/race in STEM posts.
Astronomy is the just start; hopefully physics, computer science, engineering, philosophy and economics are next.
Fuck you, Dice.
Just who harassed the person I was mentoring until she quit? Me? Another programmer?
No. It was a gaslighting asshole manager, probably not too different from the asshole managers in control at Dice. Literally the only reason that guy was even hired was because of how skilled of a confidence man he was. And holy fucking shit, sexual harassment was just the tip of the iceberg when it came to him.
What do I get for it? I get a fucking SJW airhead babysitting my mentoring sessions with the next one until he realized that truth tables were way too far over his fucking head to even understand while my student grasped the concepts instantly.
Also, why is one of the best hackers I know out of work, and why did she get outright *fired* from a software company by a gaslighting asshole manager? If she wins the lawsuit, I had better see the news on Dicedot's front page!
So there, if I include myself, you can have 3 skilled and experienced female programmers right now, this instant, two of whom are not in IT jobs because of gaslighting asshole managers.
This is the reason why you should get out of IT as fast as you can. How long until your name is going to be on SJWdot's front page because some airhead used your assigned gender at birth and profession as conclusive evidence that you must be sexually harassing somebody somehow and that your field is filled with pro-rape misogynerds who are all sexual harassers and think women shouldn't be in the field?
Isn't there a poll about fallacies around here somewhere?
Also, how did philosophy and economics wind up in that list? Are there no professions that are immune to this hysteria? Well, I guess burger flipping is immune. Nobody's ever called me a sexist for being good at flipping burgers or insinuated in the slighted that I didn't think women could flip burgers. I just have to keep my sanity together for a little more now, and I can go back to flipping burgers, having positive relationships with my colleagues, satisfied customers, and meaningful work.
That's not how most sane, non-SJW's define it.
That's how it's been defined in private industry for decades (although it has eased off a bit in recent years).
If a member of a protected class feels threatened or uncomfortable, they were harassed. Period. Should I tell a woman I like her new haircut? Nope - that can be taken as a sexual advance - lawsuit time.
You're not making any argument that this is a sane definition. But maybe you knew that.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
I read "What Spotlighting Harassment in Astronomy Means" to say they were going to explain some harassment of astronomers by people with spotlights.
The headline should have said something about Sexual harassment, and "Implications of ..." rather than "What ... Means".
Is the headline's author not a native speaker of English?
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Does it mean that astronomy has a harassment problem? Of course it does
Does it?
Or does it just mean that some people have a "harassment problem" and that by the law of averages some of them will work in astronomy, or engineering, or botany...
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
But SJWs only care about micro-aggressions.
When a woman tells me she likes my hair, I don't usually take it as a sexual advance unless she is trying to touch it in which case I find this awkward and a little uncomfortable. Most times it turns into a conversation about hair care products although not always.
I have long hair and have no problem talking about how I keep it or what unmanly products I have to use to make it shiny. I've never complained that a woman sexually harassed me but probably should have on a couple occasions.
In the course of eight years as a professional astronomer, I've seen significantly more female-on-male abuse than male-on-female. However, if I remove the vocal feminists from the sample, the correlation disappears. My tentative conclusion: neither men nor women are especially more likely to be abusers, but feminists are.
Since the US seems to be host to a large contingent of feminists, I'm mildly inclined to avoid it in my future career.
Ok, that's it, I'm done. Where's the delete account button? In the olden days I'd probably ask if someone wasn't my ID, but nowadays that's ableism or some kind of crap like that, right? Because no fun allowed.
This "harassment is everywhere" trope is just like the "you're all rapists" trope: 100% made up and fake.
Did anyone read this article?. "Geoff Marcy, a leader in the field of exoplanet research, has resigned from his position as a professor of astronomy at the University of California, Berkeley, following an investigation that found he violated the school's sexual harassment policies."
Or how about this one? "Results from a recent AAS survey were reported at the last week's plenary session on harassment, defined as unwelcome conduct that is based on race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, disability or genetic information. Some 82% of astronomers have heard sexist remarks from their peers; 44% heard sexist remarks from supervisors; 9% experienced physical harassment from peers or supervisors."
Those articles do not read like SJWs and the do seem to indicate some sort of a problem.
I read the whole story summary and I still don't know what "spotlighting harassment" means, in astronomy or anywhere else. I assumed it meant preventing people from engaging in astronomy by shining bright lights or something, but then other fields are mentioned.
Maybe the linked articles explain it, but from the summary it doesn't sound like they do.
Secession is the right of all sentient beings.
fucking whiny cry babies. stick up for YOURSELVES or get the fuck out.
Atmospherist!
/ Triggered
You transparentist!
"I demand a safe space where I can act like an asshole."
Watch people's head explode.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
First of all, we should stop the harassment of astronomers and astrophysicists just because they wore tacky shirts in a press conference. Once we're satisfied that's been settled (say, 5 years with no incidents), we can start working on the rest.
Feelings are part of being human.
Just as important as any other aspect of humanity like traditional intelligence, other talents (that some call intelligences), personality, physical body aspects, sexuality, genetic makeup, etc.
Just as with any other offense, some actions against feelings are minor and others are outrageous, even rising to the level of violence. Violence is not just physical - it can be mental or emotional, or take any other form that can affect the complex being with multi sensory inputs and multi-state processing that human beings are.
It is inhuman to completely ignore others' feelings when checking your own behavior. Please try to be human, even if you have to fake it.
Disclaimer: I also restrain from giving female co-workers compliments for the same reason. I previously had great respect for one of the women who's called me sexist to my face and thought she was an intelligent, rational, worldly person. They're out there. It's a minefield. I'm hoping after I complete gender transition I will be able to compliment other women on their hair or dress (hint: a good way to do this is to ask where she bought a certain item).
Also, feminism at present seems to have declared war on me. Keep that in mind the next time you think feminism is on the side of trans folks. AmiMoJo will tell you differently, but it's definitely different where s/he is than it is here. I live within a day's drive of the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival.
Anyway! On to the point.
Sometimes, bald-faced gender discrimination does happen. Guess where it comes from? Gaslighting asshole managers. Companies who employ and are directed by those gaslighting asshole managers need to be held accountable so they're less inclined to hire gaslighting asshole sexists.
Long story short, best hacker I knew got "outed" (she wasn't deep stealth and was open about it, just a certain gaslighting asshole manager hadn't heard about it yet) and then promptly fired. I'll bet the gaslighting asshole thought "What! A liberal SJW feminist tranny? In my business? He's really a man anyway, so no discrimination here. B&!" (She's also anything but SJW.)
Heh, I'll bet he crapped his pants when the letter from the lawyer noted that not only is being a woman a protected class, but in the jurisdiction there, gender identity is also protected.
Let me cast "Circle of Protection: MRAs, feminists, SJWs, and anti-SJWs" on my friend. It was my idea to start the lawsuit, and another one of her friends and I talked her into it.
So, in summary, the true tragedy of all this SJW Gish galloping is that cases of real, provable, illegal discrimination do happen but get lost in the noise and then swept up in a stereotype that these lawsuits are people just looking for an easy payday. Also, real, disgusting, creepy as fuck sexual harassment does happen, but it gets lost in the noise of microaggressions. The only way to deal with this is to find cases where it's actually happening, prosecute, and be prepared to blame the real culprits instead of nerds and geeks: gaslighting asshole managers.
or worse.. "I think you are wrong."
I have a severe yet mostly invisible disability from an injury and find most discrimination complaints insulting. I would give everything I have to trade places with most people. I'm offended that people are offended at such tricial crap when half of my day is sent vomiting or knotted up in a whole body cramp. People don't care about me because this is too rare to matter. People are all hypocrites.
Accusations require proof. Blanket, widespread accusations require remarkable proof. This listen and believe guilt-by-accusation campaign is problematic, toxic, widespread, and needs to stop.
But it got better. WITCH! WITCH!
Anyone labeled as privileged, such as white males, ironically are denied the privilege of being free from harassment or "unwelcome conduct".
I read somewhere that the sexual harassment investigation was instigated by a fellow facility member at Berkeley. The head of some women's group who actively sought out students to make a complaint against Marcy. Yet another case of political correctness gone insane.
.. asked Oldham whether the university was doing all it could to address allegations involving sexual harassment of students by a faculty member" ref
"The 15 April 2011 complaint, the first in the documents, involves a witness report from someone who described Marcy rubbing the bare shoulder of a female undergraduate student"
"On 18 March 2014, someone writing from outside Berkeley
“There is a concern that protecting the campus may be a higher priority than addressing the problems” ref
Reading the title, I thought that "spotlighting harassment" literally meant shining bright spotlights where astronomers use their telescopes. Which is, I guess, an effective way to piss them off.
More than thirty years in tech, and I have yet to see first-hand, or hear second-hand, of one, single harassment case.
There is safety in posting as an anonymous coward. ---
But, to my ears, you describe a male-dominated workforce that has circled the wagons and s profoundly hostile and suspicious of women:
men actively avoid meeting one-on-one with women. Two people need to talk about a project? If it's a man and a woman, the man (if he has a brain) will refuse to meet anywhere but a public space. No man will mentor a women, for fear of being accused of ulterior motives. Male-dominated teams actively avoid hiring women, because doing so risks unfounded harassment complaints, gender discrimination lawsuits, etc..
You can't claim that all of this stuff is so unusual that it is newsworthy and then a paragraph afterwards say that it's so common that men everywhere are actively avoiding women. Pick a story and stick to it.
My own anecdote, btw, says that mild forms of discrimination happen relatively often in male-dominated professions (jokes, phrases, or inappropriate conversation) but that serious harassment is relatively rare (I've never seen it). On the other hand, most women I've worked with have been competent and reasonable - and a number of them tell dirtier jokes than the guys and nobody minds. The main rule seems to be Don't Be an Asshole and things will most likely work out fine unless you're fantastically unlucky.
Ye gods! Put a trigger warning next time, will ya?
Does it involve shining spotlights at astronomers? Wouldn't the perpetrators simply be fired?
Or you mean just "harassment". That is fairly well defined legally and is generally a crime, if you are the victim of harassment, then you should collect evidence and talk to the police.
And why the hell are the only sources between Forbes and CNN? Since when do they do anything scientific or actual news?
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more social justice bullshit.
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
yeah, I'm going to call sjw shenanigans on this one. I used to believe we had a problem with things like this... until exposed to sjw's. Now I'm a cynic. Garbage, garbage, garbage. crawl back into your hole, sjw's, we don't need your witch hunts.
Have you *any* idea how hard it would be to turn something like that into a lawsuit? Have you any idea how often men do *entirely* inappropriate things to women that go unreported?
Considering your posts are rated at -1, troll, it seems that they have proven you right.
And let the games begin....I guess this is our own fault given that these types of articles always read hundreds if not thousands of comments implying that they are of more interest to the Slashdot community than other articles with substance.
So WTF I guess I'll do my part...when you click on any of the links & the fundamental message is 'If its unwanted its harassment" than you know there is an 'agenda' with a problem. I want someone/anyone to tell me how anyone is supposed to know with 100% accuracy prior to saying or doing something if it is 'unwanted'...and NO I'm not talking about grabbing someone's breasts or ass (assault) , I'm talking about making a comment that someone "doesn't want"...I have personally told someone at a bar 'you look yummy tonight' and I can truthfully say it wasn't meant 'as a line'...it happened to be a woman I knew in University, and saw a fair amount...an 'acquaintance' more than a 'friend', knew she had a boyfriend & simply was a way to say she was looking good (e.g. I was simply trying to complement her)...lo & behold she asked me back to her apartment when the night 'broke up'. therefore I have to assume my comment was 'wanted'..in today's environment I could EASILY see how a woman could claim that it was 'unwanted' & that I therefore 'harassed' her...
/.: Clickbait for SJWs. Stuff that shouldn't matter.
Who buys their first telescope to look at stars? Bunch of peeping Tom's is what they are I tell ya.
I initially thought "Spotlighting" was as an adjective here qualifying harassment. So I was wondering if some group was harassing astronomers with spotlights clipping their sensors or something and being a nuisance.
You're totally correct I just had no way to edit or reply due to the way slashdot handles anon posts.
he said things like âoeDo you think I am a shady person because I let myself be emotionally involved with my student?â and âoeI think I may actually be prone to this sort of thing.â The guy knew he was in the wrong, but instead of correcting his own behavior, he just moved on to the next student he could harass the same way.
All he did was express normal human sexual attraction. Many of the modern-day claims of sexual harassment and misogyny really are just complaints about typical human sexual behavior. I will gladly defend this individual and say that he did nothing wrong. The individuals who complain about this sort of 'harassment' are trying to use sexual mores and taboos to their advantage in an attempt to gain greater social status.
Gaslighting asshole managers...gaslighting asshole managers...gaslighting asshole sexists...gaslighting asshole manager...gaslighting asshole...gaslighting asshole managers....
In the future, could you please define your terms? I have no idea what you mean by a "gas lighting manager". Is this some new slang amongst the gender studies folks?
I'm all for stopping harassment. The problem is there's no definition of harassment. Anything a male says or does can be labeled harassment by any female for her convenience or entertainment. The accused male is then promptly crucified by both his employer and by society at large, usually (read 99% of the time) without the legal definition of harassment being met.
Women can destroy men's lives with a sob story to HR or the police even when the male has done nothing at all. Pointing this out will inevitably lead to accusations that I'm a "fat neckbeard basement dwelling virgin misogynist" instead of debating what I've written.
Is Mars really red?
More importantly, is it really angry?
The almost violent manner in which this pogrom against perverts is being prosecuted has caused some zealots to overlook the fact that even the perpetrators need help more than they need to be punished. However they do need to be controlled if they cannot control themselves.
Sure our entire society has an issue with how people interact, that is obvious, but a social maturing process should be achieved in a nurturing rather than a punitive manner. Not only do we need to educate potential perpetrators (which means, everyone) as to their responsibilities and where they can seek help with behavioural, control, issues, we also need to educate potential victims (again everyone) as to best cope with other people's conduct and how to seek help in correcting it before incidents progress to the point where the solution becomes destructive. The third part of this strategy is to ensure that the required support structures and processes are in place, that everyone is able to access them, and that they are comprehensive enough to ensure that nobody falls through the cracks and that all behavioural aberrations are identified and corrected as quickly and subtly as possible,
> "Unwelcome conduct" can be literally ANY conduct, is purely subjective, and is completely out of the control of the "perpetrator."
Ask any woman if she's ever been sexually harassed by an attractive man. The answer is always 'no.'
I don't know your condition, but if it helps, your symptoms indicate cannabis flower. If you have a medical marijuana law available, I'd highly recommend at least giving it a shot. Some people are allergic, however. For others, cannabis flower can be the only thing that lets them regain their lives. I hope you're in the latter group.
Jupiter is just claiming that after harassing all ofthdeose asteroids, and keeping the from reaching better orbits . . . no-one wants to talk about this, but this "gas ceiling" is a real problem.
hawk
My apologies. Gaslighting derives from the title of the movie The Gas Lights. In a nutshell, it's a psychological abuse tactic that causes the victim to question their perception of reality and their sanity. Would you like to know more?
*raises hand*
Well, it was an honest mistake. I was presenting as male and he was trying to be buddy-buddy cums with me. For some reason it just creeped me the hell out. So I asked him to stop, and he did. Problem solved!
Ah, but when you agree with the Borg you must not clap as that is 'triggering' The Borg are sensitive to clapping. You must use 'jazz hands':
http://www.breitbart.com/londo...
And when a SJW tells you that disagreeing with them is rape, but you are a racist if you oppose traditional Muslim gang rape (Taharrush gamea) of 'infidel' girls, then you must also use jazz hands to show you are one with the SJW Borg Collective:
http://www.breitbart.com/londo...
#GamerGate invictus ! down with all Orwellian Thought Police SJWs !
They're gonna start running out of wells to poison pretty soon. I don't blame SJWs for this - they are just exploiting the environment - an environment is created by "moderates" and fence sitters that credulously give the benefit of the doubt to any loser with a wolf story - and enthusiastically dog-pile on any voices that dare to express skepticism. And these 'moderates" are for the most part stupid, well-meaning white males - that most demonised and despised of social demographics.
smilies are for reetards
>In the United States, as late as the 1880s most States set the minimum age at 10-12, (in Delaware it was 7 in 1895).[8] Inspired by the "Maiden Tribute" female reformers in the US initiated their own campaign[9] which petitioned legislators to raise the legal minimum age to at least 16, with the ultimate goal to raise the age to 18. The campaign was successful, with almost all states raising the minimum age to 16-18 years by 1920.
Also: see: Deuteronomy chapter 22 verses 28-29, hebrew allows men to rape girl children and keep them: thus man + girl is obviously fine. Feminists are commanded to be killed as anyone enticing others to follow another ruler/judge/god is to be killed as-per Deuteronomy. It is wonderful when this happens from time to time: celebrate)
Imagine marrying a nice cute 7 yr old girl or two.
She would be pretty for a long time.
No seriously, fuck them all until they die of anal bleeding.
STEM is the last place that has people who are intelligent. Keep the retards that are into political correctness out of it.
Here ya go.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
You need to look up the definition of 'sexual harassment.' Hitting on someone is not it.
Fuck you slashdot. The great amount of poo in this article has triggered me and now I need a safe room with kiddy toys, low lights, soft music, hookers and blow to get through it. I'll send you the bill.
Liberty.
> I was presenting as male and he was trying to be buddy-buddy cums with me.
Best. Freudian slip. Evar!
Ablock is literally internet rape culture you obnoxious shitlord!
The sweeping generalisation is this: There is harassment in almost every field of human activity. The majority is done by men. It appears to be the way we are made.
The problem is what we should do when an extreme aberration (let us say child-molester) creates something useful. The science is sound, but the person is abhorrent. What happens at the moment? Do they get credited?
I don't run Adblock, but I do run with noscript. It doesn't work with that either. No the hell way I'm going to allow a bunch of scripts to read that article.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
slashdot, can we focus on stuff that matters to nerds and dispense with the SJW fridays, please??
Yeah you're right. We should just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist lest our precious little feelings get dented. Oooh us nerds are such special little snowflakes we can't bear to believe that there may be some bad apples among us.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
The SJW ideology defines harassment as something that can only can happen to them, never caused by them.
If there are universities that reject the SJW ideology, let them thrive.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
I don't know if these people have done anything or not; you might think that people that intelligent would not stoop that low. I will offer this though.
One of the persistent and compelling illusions I had in life was that somewhere, there existed a self-selected group of people for whom a primary concern was to just be decent to each other.
I am not sure where I got this idea from, but if you have it, if you think that *this* group of people united by *this* purpose or POV or goal or whatever is going to be some kind of refuge from Assholedom, then you owe it to yourself before you waste any more of your life looking for such a group to just stop. Put it down and walk away.
My first pursuit of this mythological beast was with a community of artists and counter-cultural types. I thought without jocks or grades or the pursuit of money or even fame people would have nothing but each others fellowship to rely on and that would be a kind of uniting force, or something. How very young and wrong I was .
After some years spent pursuing that ghost, I next chased another another idea I had always had in my head- that academics, university types, were just naturally a cut above in terms of decency and non-aggression. In my imagination they were people to whom the stated ideals of a university- diversity, the pursuit of truth, respect for excellence,
valuing of curiosity and the impartial unbiased pursuit of knowledge - were real living things. The university was THEIR place which abided by THEIR values and stood as a bastion against Assholedom.
So I went to university and I did meet people as described- a couple. And the rest were sort of Super Assholes - people who nourished grudges, pursued revenge via administrative back-channeling and complaint processes, for any perceived slight or offense, advanced themselves through undermining others, sincerely worked to
undermine others simply because they didn't like them, and worked the system as best they could to horde time, reputation, money and power. It was one of the worst
environments I've been in. At one point a recent-hire prof confided in me that "they" - the other professors in the department- "had taken him into a room and gone to town on him for spending time preparing for his classes. If he wanted them to recommend him for tenure, it was going to stop. The gist f it was that there was no reward for teaching,
only for publishing and grant getting- things that brought the university prestige and money. Nothing else mattered and the degree to which nothing else mattered was total. I
asked him who "they" were, exactly, and his reply was "all of them. Every one of them." Of course the teaching is what you'd expect given the above. And that's not even the
worst dirty trick- and that's what it was- I saw there. Not by a long shot .
After that I got it into my head that business, corporation, out of necessity, would be a place where the reality principle reigned supreme. Even if it wasn't friendly per se, at least it would be grounded in some kind of market discipline and that discipline would realize itself in the relations between people within the company.
I know, but in my defense, this was around 2000.
Here's the thing. If it's true, -but then harassment charges are just another arrow in the quiver or these types - this is not surprising , because *that's what people are*. If for some reason that actually doesn't describe you and you know it,then know with certainty: you're on your own There is no *good* group of people united by any property or purpose out there. The best you can hope for is a occasional light from someone you are completely removed from, say whose books you read. If you really want to swing for the wall, the trifecta is your mother, your spouse and your dog. If you can trust all three of those , then know you're luckier than most .
Well, you know what to do next time someone tells you to check your privilege -- by which they mean "shut up, independent white male". That kind of aggression is primarily based on race, sex, and ability.
Saying "Check your privilege" is harassment. Report it. (Unless you're being a jerk, in which case, also re-think what you might be doing to evoke such responses—you are aware of whether you do this or not.)
This is just like when a manager's secretary would frequently tell me (presumably others not of her genetic background), "You're goin' to the back o' the bus." That was harassment, racist in this case. Such racist comments do nothing to help people get along. BTW, I left before reporting, but had reported some other, bigger issue already (whistle-blowing).
Larson knew about this.
They forgot to add:
"harassment, defined as unwelcome conduct that is based on race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, disability or genetic information (unless it's directed against a white heterosexual male, who it's impossible to discriminate against)."
Well, that is only if you are dumb enough to expect HR to do anything about it. They won't. Then, you report to higher authorities (government, the press, etc.) and possibly use the courts. This is one reason that courts exist – to address such issues.
TFS shows exactly what is wrong with these topics and discussions. It is presented in a biased and inflammatory manner. It is also void of pertinent information, either because they expect everyone is already aware of these cases, unlikely, or will just assume the posters explanation that the situations are outrageous is true.
Terrible.
Er... that's not a Freudian slip.
Of course, all things gender and sexuality become confused with my current absurd situation. I am attracted to men, and I have a female mind and soul and a male reproductive system. Thus, I, from time to time, become attracted to men I know through my roles obtained by playing the feminist game and presenting as male for business purposes.
Yes, it was a "homosexual" attraction I felt. I think perhaps that the reason I felt creeped out is that I was running my male simulation program one might say. That program is not sufficient to install in me male sexuality. Thus, the conflict.
(Why am I at cold war with feminism? Ask them. I don't know. I don't even fucking understand it. They're the ones who called me and every other trans woman out there a rapist and an impostor, and they're the ones who mesmerized the rest of you into believing their lies with economic consequences for anyone with a clitoris two millimeters too big. Why are lesbians screaming at my friends in public that they're not real women because their breasts aren't large enough and because they've been poisoned by testosterone? I don't fucking know. We should be allies, but they've declared war with you as an ally and there's nothing else to do.)
It's like creating problems where there are none
> Er... that's not a Freudian slip.
I thought you meant to type "chums" not "cums," was I mistaken?
The SJW ideology defines harassment as something that can only can happen to them, never caused by them.
If there are universities that reject the SJW ideology, let them thrive, and all others fail.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.