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Help Is On the Way In the War Against Noisy Leaf Blowers

HughPickens.com writes: Perry Stein writes in the Washington Post that the fight against noisy leaf blowers is gaining momentum, in part, because residents are framing it as a public health issue. Two-stroke engine leaf blowers mix fuel with oil and don't undergo a complete combustion, emitting a number of toxins, like carbon monoxide and nitrous oxide, which their operators inevitably inhale. Municipalities throughout the country have moved to ban them. "You find two-stroke engines in poorer countries because they're cheap," says James Fallows citing a 2004 National Institutes of Health study showing that two-stroke engines on two- and three-wheeled vehicles in Delhi, India, account for a significant amount of air pollution. "You don't find them in richer countries because they're so dirty and polluting." In Washington DC leaf blowers can't exceed 70 decibels as measured from 50 feet away. (A normal conversation is typically about 60 decibels.) Haskell Small, a composer and concert pianist who is helping to lead the leaf-blower battle in Wesley Heights, describes the sound as "piercing." "When I try to compose or write a letter, there is no way for me to listen to my inner voice, and the leaf blower blanks out all the harmonic combinations."

But help is on the way. A new generation of leaf blowers is more environmentally friendly as the emergence of battery-powered leaf blowers takes us closer to the Holy Grail of equipment that is both (1) powerful and (2) quiet. Fallows supports the notion of a kind of trade-in program, where loud, old leaf blowers are exchanged for the less offensive kind. Ted Rueter, founder of Noise Free America, facilitated one such scheme. In the heat of his front lawn dispute with his neighbor, he offered a solution. "If you agree to use them, I will buy you two new leaf blowers," Rueter told his neighbor. "The offer was accepted and the noise level in his front yard was restored to a peaceful level," says Lawrence Richards. "When it comes to the balancing act of protecting landscaping jobs while reducing noise and emissions, it helps that someone was willing to pay for progress."

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  1. FWP by hjf · · Score: 4, Informative

    First World Problems.

    1. Re:FWP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      First World Problems.

      Leaf-blowers themselves are very much a product of the first world. They're a problem we created because we thought it necessary to move leaves around with air, which probably isn't the most efficient method in the first place.

      In any case, the first-world created this problem, so, yes, it's naturally up to the first world to fix it.

    2. Re:FWP by kheldan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The noise is annoying, yes, and the exhaust emissions are nasty, yes, those things could be addressed technologically. But those issues aren't the real problem with leaf blowers at all. In the debris on the ground, there are all sorts of things that should stay on the ground and not be stirred up by the equivalent of hurricane-force winds that come out of a leaf blower. This includes all sorts of microorganisms, mold spores, allergens, and toxins. Also they should not properly even be called 'leaf blowers', they should be referred to as 'debris blowers', because they're as often as not used to blow trash and dirt and everything but plant material around. They should be banned, they're a public health nuisance, far and away worse than they are noisome or noisy.

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    3. Re:FWP by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 2

      Of course it would have been better to just use a mulching mower and put the nutrients from the leaves into the soil instead of sending the leaves into the woods. The problem is some people think they need a perfectly green lawn with absolutely no imperfections.

    4. Re: FWP by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, but after removing the leaves, the lawn fanatic dumps chemicals into it to keep that poor over managed grass alive.

      Our yard has a big ten foot round faerie ring of mushrooms in it. I don't fuck with it because it's neat to have a many decades old mycellium in the soil near our house

    5. Re:FWP by hackertourist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is it really too much to ask not to pollute the entire neighborhood with your noise? Especially when quieter, non-annoying alternatives are available?

      It's either your freedom to annoy people, or everyone else's freedom from being disturbed.

      I, for one am looking forward to quieter leaf blowers being mandated. And we're far from them being used once or twice a year. For several months every year, I have a whole brigade of them coming round once a week to clean up the municipal green areas around my house. This takes an entire day, making working at home impossible that day.

    6. Re:FWP by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well hell, I should just be allowed to burn my garbage (just stay upwind if you don't like it), and let my sewage flow into the street because I want to "freedom" to neglect my plumbing. I only take a shit once a day, so what's the big deal?

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    7. Re:FWP by Joe+Branya · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I live in an Austin, TX condo and hear the Echo backpack leafblowers every Monday. At 10 feet I measured one at 98 db. The operators are all illegals, 18-20 year-old kids from the hills of Michoacan in Mexico. None of them are given ear protectors by the foodchain of subcontractors-of-subcontractors who are used to provide legal cover for the condo associations (including mine) who hire illegals because they are cheap, obedient and unlikely to complain. Most will be half-deaf at 30. But nobody here cares. No American would put up with the working conditions or they would call OSHA.

      Don't kid yourself; illegal immigration and leafblowers are connected. This is both a first and third world problem; a first world problem for the students who would have the jobs and be earning $15/hr if the illegals were not here and a problem for the kids from Mexico who get $7.50/hr and who will go deaf. Talk about a conspiracy of silence...

      The situation pisses me off for both reasons.

    8. Re:FWP by hackertourist · · Score: 2

      Wanting unlimited freedom for yourself, damn the consequences is immoral and ignorant of how reality works.

    9. Re:FWP by ozborn · · Score: 2

      Using "First World Problems" to describe this problem is not really helpful. It is inappropriate in this case because it is nothing more than a means to discredit and dismiss the problem at hand without any real debate - especially when you wrote nothing more than those 3 words.

      First off, I would be surprised if leaf blowers were only used in the first world - they are no doubt more common there but I am sure they can be found throughout the world.

      Secondly, the main victims of leaf-blowers are the people who operated them who suffer from the fumes and from hearing loss if they don't wear the appropriate equipment. Using FWP ignores the class dimensions to this problem.

      Third, climate change is a whole world problem (although poorer countries will suffer disproportionately) so using inefficient engines to do IMO stupid stuff can definitely be discussed outside the context of FWP.

    10. Re:FWP by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      You would find yourself hurt and in life threatening situations. My 115 lbs rottweiler would likely jump threw the window and attack you should you throw rocks and break it. The cameras would catch you screwing with the mail box and I would just have the feds answer that question. As for the tires, well you would have to trespass onto my property and carry a tool of some sort which I could construe as a weapon when I shoot you in self defense trying to figure out why my other dogs (a little yard shitter mut but has it's own doggy door) is going apeshit crazy around the car.

      Of course that is if you disguise your face in order to avoid being detected by the cameras. Otherwise, I would just give the footage to the police and my lawyer and proceed to make your life a real living hell.

    11. Re:FWP by Gavagai80 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Get yourself an MP3 of leaf blower noise, put on your headphones and crank up the volume. Have fun.

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    12. Re:FWP by bitingduck · · Score: 2

      Is it really too much to ask that i keep my freedom even if it somehow bothers you one or two days of the year? I mean the alternative isn't going to be as rosy as you think when your freedom annoys someone else at some point in time. Hell, just look at drones or the state of children walking to school.

      You clearly don't live in Southern California. A substantial fraction of people have "gardeners" (even if they live in cheap rentals) who show up once a week and mow/blow/go, often with a couple of backpack leafblowers going at once. They can spew so much unburned gas that you smell more gas from your neighbor's yard than when pumping gas (we have emission controls on gas pumps). If you live anyplace with suburban or denser single family housing you pretty much hear them constantly from about 8 am to 3:30 pm, year round (live oak trees, among others, drop leaves year round, though acorns are seasonal and not even every year) . Many people have their gardeners twice a week-- and they blow the whole lawn even if there are so few leaves it would be faster to just walk around and pick them up by hand.

    13. Re:FWP by bitingduck · · Score: 2

      As someone who used to care for a large lawn next to woods, a two stroke engine powering a lawn mower sized leaf blower/vacuum is the best for blowing leaves into the woods. Turns a four man job with rakes into a one man job. Even electric leaf blowers are noisy. Do they plan on increasing the fan size?

      I live on the edge of a national forest. There are trees and leaves and wild animals. I'm always amazed when people are trying to hold back the tide and make it look like a lawn at disneyland and get rid of the wild animals. All those things are the reasons to live here and if you can't accept them it's better to go live in Irvine or someplace else with a mediated experience.

    14. Re:FWP by skam240 · · Score: 2

      There's a sinister connection between leaf blowers and illegal immigration? So If there were no leaf blowers there'd be no illegal immigration? Or would it be if there was no illegal immigration there'd be no leaf blowers? Both seem pretty preposterous to me.

      The people who do the yard work in the condo complex where I live (California) all have ear protectors. They're mostly Hispanic but if they're illegals they arent recent arrivals as all of them that I've talked to speak pretty good English. Now both of our stories are anecdotal but I see plenty of grounds keepers wearing proper ear protection while operating leaf blowers where I live.

      Specifically in regards to your issues, have you tried becoming an active member in your condo association? As one of the board members for mine I've generally found there to be a shortage of people willing to be involved. Even if you're a renter in the complex you can often have some sort of role. If you havent then stop complaining in internet forums about conspiracy theories and get involved with your condo association to get your grounds keepers proper ear protection.

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    15. Re:FWP by Dahamma · · Score: 2

      Isn't your infringement of my freedom the same? I mean if I am not free to do something because it annoys you, aren't you infringing on my freedom?

      No, it's absolutely not, that's so obviously a false equivalence you can't be seriously suggesting it. It's like the argument that "calling me bigoted makes you bigoted for being against bigots". You are welcome to do anything that only affects you. You are often not welcome to do something that affects other people negatively (of course you may be legally allowed to do it until it's made illegal).

      Shoot yourself, I couldn't care less (IMO making suicide illegal is idiotic). Shoot someone else, not so much. OD on drugs, fine, sell them to a kid who ODs, you'll go to jail. Same with smoking in a restaurant vs just fucking going outside.

      CA already has "spare the air" days where you can't burn wood fireplaces, etc because the air quality is so bad. I see no difference between that and using a leaf blower that emits literally visible clouds of pollutants into the air. That said, if you'd like to close your flue and light your fireplace, or run your leaf blower inside your closed garage, you are welcome to do that. If that doesn't sound safe to you, why the hell would any of your neighbors want to breathe it, either?

      And if they are using leaf blowers 5 days a week, they are doing something wrong.

      Eh - you do realize it's possible to have more than one neighbor, right? I have 5 bordering my house and another 3-4 across the street who all use different gardening services on different days.

      Honestly if it were 30 minutes a week (especially when I'm not home) it's still annoying, but tolerable/ But when it's every morning, for 1-2 hours, it's not. That's why we have regulations like this (hell, that's why we have civilization with police forces), some people are just selfish and won't considerate to others unless forced to.

    16. Re:FWP by mjwx · · Score: 2

      Is it really too much to ask not to pollute the entire neighborhood with your noise? Especially when quieter, non-annoying alternatives are available?

      Motor powered leaf blowers have advantages that electric ones don't, specifically the ability to operate for longer periods and away from power points, Especially if you're maintaining a large property that has a lot of greenery (I.E. an apartment block, commercial park or municipal building).

      In Australia we have a simple solution. We classify all of these things as power tools and in residential areas we have a ban on power tool usage before and after a certain time (which time depends on the council who issued the ban). We accept that you can own loud tools, but you accept that using them at 10PM at night is not socially acceptable.

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  2. Another inane Hugh Pickens submission. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a fucking inane submission. Why the fuck is this on Slashdot?!

    Leave the goddamn leaves on the ground. Or if you really must collect them, just use a fucking rake.

    Holy shit, this submission makes me pine for the days of Roland Piquepaille. At least his submissions had some relevance, no matter how small.

  3. Say What?! by Dereck1701 · · Score: 5, Informative

    "You find two-stroke engines in poorer countries because they're cheap,"

    No, you find two-stroke engines in applications where you need high power but extremely low weight. Their cheapness is simply a byproduct of their simplicity (hence, weight savings). There are plenty of applications where a 4-stroke engine simply wouldn't work because it would weigh too much (leaf blowers, chain saws, etc) or would be too bulky (mopeds, model airplanes, lawnmowers, etc). Sure their efficiency needs some work, or replacement if a viable alternative is created, but at the moment there are several applications where 4-stroke engines or battery power simply wouldn't work.

    1. Re:Say What?! by oic0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They arent inherently loud. In fact, their power greatly improves with what would be a very restrictive exhaust on a four stroke. Cheap leaf blowers are just loud because they are cheap and have tiny crappy mufflers. Two strokes also don't have to be inefficient. In larger applications they can generally have a lot more power density than a four stroke and very similar emissions / fuel economy if used with direct injection. Their main problem is that they blow intake charge out with the exhaust when not at the optimal resonance frequency with their exhaust expansion chamber. If you dont add the fuel until the port is closed, its not a problem.

    2. Re: Say What?! by TheReaperD · · Score: 2

      If you want to go full on libertarian dystopia, then fine. You can use whatever noisy, polluting piece of garbage you want because your too lazy to use a rake... and I can shoot you for it. Problem solved. Yes, the battery versions are not perfect but, if your too damn lazy to use a rake, than it is the solution you will have to deal with. The reason that laws like this have to be created is because people are too self-centered and lazy to do what is best for everyone; they only care about themselves, without a single thought as to how it effects their neighbours.

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    3. Re:Say What?! by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      I would extend your arguement on the environmental side:

      National Institutes of Health study showing that two-stroke engines on two- and three-wheeled vehicles in Delhi, India, account for a significant amount of air pollution.

      In other news the solar energy as measured at the sun would instantly kill us so solar is unsafe. Oh what there's a difference in concentration? Well blow me down with a battery powered leaf blower! I didn't realise that a handful of people using a leaf blower for 5 minutes on their law once a week as the same thing as filling up a highway with motorcycles.

      But hey as long as we have that environmental angle. I'm sure 10minutes less running a 2 stroke per week will solve all of our problems.

    4. Re:Say What?! by valnar · · Score: 2

      I agree! I didn't bother reading the article because I assume it was written by a moron.

      I live near woods and have to blow leaves into the woods several times during the season, or my yard would be covered by oak leaves 5 times over. My hand leaf blower gets used 20% of the time. The other 80% is with a Little Wonder push blower. It's loud as fuck, but the only thing that'll get the job done. There is no way with modern technology to make that thing quiet that I'm aware of.

    5. Re:Say What?! by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Forget two stroke. I want one of these

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    6. Re:Say What?! by nukenerd · · Score: 2

      you find two-stroke engines in applications where you need high power but extremely low weight. Their cheapness is simply a byproduct of their simplicity (hence, weight savings). There are plenty of applications where a 4-stroke engine simply wouldn't work because it would weigh too much... or would be too bulky

      You forgot the main reason that 2-strokes are used in hand-held kit, especially chainsaws : being sump-less they work at any angle and tolerate being tossed around, because the lubricating oil comes in with the fuel. This can be done with 4-strokes with fancy sump design having swivelling pick-up nozzles (like in acrobatic aircraft), but it is expensive and less reliable.

  4. emergence of battery-powered leaf blowers by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...the emergence of battery-powered leaf blowers takes us closer to the Holy Grail of equipment that is both (1) powerful and (2) quiet....

    and (3) runs for only 10 minutes before the battery drains down.

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    True, the weaker battery-operated leaf blowers can have battery run time that is beyond 10 minutes. However, if you're looking for a battery-operated leaf blower that as powerful as one with a two-cycle engine, then you're looking at leaf blowers with a useful battery life of around 10 to 15 minutes.

    Note: when the manufacturers rate the battery run time of leaf blowers in their advertisements and on their websites, they usually rate the battery life with the leaf blower running on its lowest speed. That's how they can say the battery lasts for an hour or more.

    If you're just looking to blow the leaves off your patio or sidewalks, then the battery operated ones are fine. But don't expect to clean any reasonable sized yard of leaves..

  5. General trend as battery technology gets better by JoshuaZ · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is part of the same general trend as battery technology gets better: we don't need fossil fuels for nearly as many things as we did previously. To some extent this one is a bit of a no-brainer, because leafblowers are not technologies where one has to worry terribly about being stranded if there's no nearby recharge station or if the range isn't far enough (which helped hold back electric cars). It will be interesting to see how far this goes. Some optimists (such a Elon Musk) think that we'll eventually have boats and airplanes which use batteries, thus relegating fossil fuel use to essentially some rockets which require the very high energy density, plastic and other petrochemical derivative production (which will take a lot longer to find alternatives for), and energy in the grid. Note by the way that because large generators like power plants are more efficient than small ones, as long as one has decent batteries and doesn't have terrible power plants on the grid, that's still a net gain.

    However, I'm pessimistic about this sort of trend for a few reasons. First, many countries are still producing coal power plants, and although a natural gas or oil plant is often cleaner than a car or other device burning gasoline, this is often not the case for coal plants. In some developed countries, like the US, the total percentage of power produced by coal is going down but the total amount of coal production is roughly constant and projected to remain so for at least a few decades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_of_the_United_States. While newer coal plants are more efficient and cleaner, this is only by a comparatively small degree. Of course, if do eventually get cheaper nuclear (such as with more modern reactors or maybe even with thorium reactors) this situation may change- right now the fact that nuclear is held to much higher safety standards than fossil fuel plants is a large part of its very high cost.

    More seriously for the very long-term hope of making batteries handle all transport technologies including ships and airplanes, it isn't clear that battery technology will improve that much over time. The primary thing that matters is energy density, which has two forms, energy per mass and energy per volume. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density Both need to be much better than they are today for electric airplanes to have any chance (lifespan and and number of cycle uses also need to improve but that's in some ways less of a barrier.) Energy density of batteries by both metrics batteries has increased by 5%-10% a year depending on the exact metric and choice of examples https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-battery-energy-density-improves-5-8-per-year which is exponential growth ( but with a much slower doubling time than something like Moore's Law. One has a doubling about once every 8 or 10 years.) Jet fuel has an energy density of around 45 MJ/kg, The most efficient batteries have a little under 1 MJ/kg. So one needs at least about 5 doublings before batteries can reasonably compete which will start to occur if they have an energy density of around 32/ MJ/kg. Similar remarks apply to energy density measured by joules per volume. However, there are technical reasons to think that batteries will stop doubling before that (see theabove quora link for details which argues that we can't make batteries much than four times as efficient before we start running into serious theoretical limits). At around 20 MJ/kg, one maybe could run planes practically but they would be much less convenient and practical than today's jets and that would be at the very upper end of the plausible limits. So it is likely that we will still see fossil fuels used for jets for the next 40 or 50 years.

  6. Re:What's wong with a rake by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I already have an environmentally friendly, much much quieter leaf mover called a rake. And best of all it is cheap to own and maintain.

    Exactly.

    And if you have a lot of leaves, buy a cheap heavy tarp. Rake leaves onto tarp. Drag tarp to desired location to deposit leaves. Done.

    Not only that, but it's exercise. I'm always amazed at the people who show up at the gym or go running around the neighborhood, but they don't take advantage of natural opportunities for exercise. Instead of buying the leaf blower, buy the rake. Instead of the riding mower or the "self-propelled" push mower, buy a decent reel mower (they are a lot better than they used to be) and run around the yard with it. Instead of buying the power edger, get the manual one and dig. Rather than the rototiller for your garden, dig it up and turn the soil with a shovel. A lot of times you get a decent workout while actually accomplishing something, and you frequently end up using different sets of muscles for different yard tasks, rather than having to come up with an artificial "routine" to try to keep your whole body fit.

    And if you say, "But, but... my yard is too big for this sort of thing -- it would take me way too long to maintain it manually." Well, then have a smaller yard. Even if you have a large piece of property, install perennial flower beds, install ground covers that don't require cutting every week (and often excessive fertilizer and irrigation), plant some trees. If you're rich enough to own a large piece of property and pay people to keep it like a golf course, pay a landscape designer to make it lower maintenance and with greater variety than a giant lawn or whatever.

    That's actually the real problem behind all the leaf blower noise -- Americans in the suburbs often have giant pieces of property with unnecessary huge lawns and unreasonable expectations that they be kept up continuously as if they were part of a golf course. Maybe we should attack the underlying problem -- like avoiding giant unneeded lawns or getting rid of this notion that any leaves on the ground are bad or "untidy" (they can actually be good fertilizer if they aren't excessive).

  7. Leaf Blowers and OCD - Bad Combo by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had a neighbor that could not stand the sight of a single leaf on his lawn or driveway. He'd patrol his yard three times a day with his leaf blower running until the last leaves fell off his oak trees. All the neighbors hated him because you couldn't complain about the noise, it was legal, etc.. People tried to convince him that a few leaves were not a problem - could not get through to him. We all really wanted to stuff his shirt with leaves, douse him in 2-stroke fuel mix, set him alight and fan the flames with the leaf blower.

    He finally fucking died of a heart attack...while blowing leaves. Not a life well spent.

    With a rake, he would have been the nice quiet old man next door who liked to exercise by working in his yard, and everybody would have some peace. With a leaf blower, he was the asshole/lunatic that everybody wanted to see dead. There are certain technologies like leaf blowers that seem to throw personality disorders into sharp contrast and are simply obnoxious. Nobody seems to think about noise pollution when designing and marketing (and buying) these things, they just assume everybody won't mind 2-strokes running all damned day. I don't know what the solution is, but it is getting harder and harder to find quiet in the world because of stuff like this.

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  8. Re:Quiet leaf removal option without fuel or batte by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not for long. What most American voters don't realise is that Trump has invested heavily in leaf blower manufacturers, deporting Mexicans is simply a way of boosting sales.

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  9. Re:Margins issue by bitingduck · · Score: 2

    More likely in play is that people who have invested in on level of technology rarely upgrade without a very compelling reason. The "quieter" reason is not a reason that impacts the person who is using the tool, he's already invested in ear protection. The "quieter" reason is a reason that impacts the person who's not using the tool.

    Most people around here who use them have no hearing protection and at most a simple bandanna over their face for "dust" protection. They're typically illegal immigrants or maybe legal but don't have enough education or english skill to get any other job. Both cleaner and quieter would help protect them, but people don't want to do their lawns themselves and don't want to pay much to have their lawns done, and are either deaf or at work when their gardeners come. In LA there are huge amount of people who work at home in the entertainment industry (writers, editors, sound design) and are disrupted by their neighbors' gardeners.