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E-Mail Spam Goes Artisanal (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Spam filters have come a long way over the past two decades — but spammers have, too. Though email providers are better than ever at blocking spam, it's still big business, with a lot of money to be made. Security researchers are seeing a new trend in spam: less volume, and better targeting. The article mentions "snowshoe" attacks, which occupy the middle ground between massive spam campaigns and tiny phishing attacks. "Craig Williams, a senior manager at Talos, said the amount of snowshoe spam has more than doubled in the past two years and now accounts for more than 15 percent of all junk messages distributed globally." Security researchers have been pushing for a unified registry to help deal with these mid-range spammers, but it's hard to get a significant portion of providers on the same page, particularly when many are fond of running their own solutions.

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  1. snowshoe to you, too by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    my niece asked if i still used that old-fashioned email. i said no, i use stamps.

    1. Re:snowshoe to you, too by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      All of the companies that send me bills by mail are constantly hounding me to let them switch to bills by email. I may pay my bills online through my bank, but I insist on getting a paper copy of my bills. Why on Earth would I want the power company to know my email address?!?

    2. Re:snowshoe to you, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      emailing you a bill instead of mailing a paper one saves them ten dollars and they don't give you a dime of that discount for them

    3. Re:snowshoe to you, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why on Earth would I want the power company to know my email address?!?

      Use a forwarder.

    4. Re:snowshoe to you, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cricket wireless gives you a $5 discount if you autopay.

    5. Re:snowshoe to you, too by msauve · · Score: 2

      I'd like to know who the idiots are that respond and make spam profitable. Really, these enablers are ultimately responsible for spam and should also receive condemnation.

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      "National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
    6. Re:snowshoe to you, too by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      Why on Earth would I want the power company to know my email address?!?

      You wouldn't -- but you can always create a throwaway email address just for your power company to use, maybe even enable auto-forwarding to your real/top-secret personal email address, if you like.

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      I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
    7. Re:snowshoe to you, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's different. They're giving you a discount because they know their bill will be paid on schedule, by an automated system, not because they're saving on mailing costs.

    8. Re:snowshoe to you, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In Sweden most companies charge around $8 for mailing you a physical invoice. Electronic invoicing directly to your bank (without the company knowing your email address) is possible (and always free) though.

      You can also autopay, where you typically get a copy of the physical invoice so you know how much will be automatically deducted from your account, so it is not only about saving costs on mailing invoices.

    9. Re: snowshoe to you, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $10, really? Why?

    10. Re:snowshoe to you, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Sweden most companies charge around $8 for mailing you a physical invoice. Electronic invoicing directly to your bank (without the company knowing your email address) is possible (and always free) though.

      You can also autopay, where you typically get a copy of the physical invoice so you know how much will be automatically deducted from your account, so it is not only about saving costs on mailing invoices.

      "In Sweden" what's the penalty for the company randomly fucking up the bill by $600 in an overcharge?

      Round here, in less rapey infested by muslem lands, there is ZERO penalty for a company fucking up the bill with an $600 overcharge.

      While some people do auto pay, as many that say they do it, also say there have been fuckups with it. No company gets money from me without a paper invoice or a one-off charge on a credit card. They are too stupid and incompetent for that to be allowed.

    11. Re:snowshoe to you, too by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      I'd like to know who the idiots are that respond and make spam profitable. Really, these enablers are ultimately responsible for spam and should also receive condemnation.

      It's not the people that respond that are the suckers.

      It's the people that are sold the idea they can send out mail and make a profit.

      Spammer: "Hey, loser dumbass small business idiot person, I can get you lots of money by sending out your message!"

      Idiot Loser Dumbass Small Business: "OK! Here's some money for "impressions" on my web site!"

      Spammer: [sends out spam everywhere, generating useless impressions for a web site and annoying everybody]

      The spam doesn't have to WORK for it to be profitable for spammers. They just have to convince some idiot to pay them to do it.

    12. Re: snowshoe to you, too by Zaowulf · · Score: 1

      "Shipping and handling"

    13. Re:snowshoe to you, too by niftymitch · · Score: 1

      All of the companies that send me bills by mail are constantly hounding me to let them switch to bills by email. I may pay my bills online through my bank, but I insist on getting a paper copy of my bills. Why on Earth would I want the power company to know my email address?!?

      For money it pays to have a spare email address and a second credit card with a "sane" limit.

      I know this is the wrong place to be helpful but ask your bank about a "second internet" credit card
      with a small limit.

      Dust off an old laptop and install a linux (anything you know) and virtual machine manager.
      Copy VM image, start it, connect to pay, kill and flush the VM.
      Watch the patches for your minimum VM and update it any time a security
      issue gets discovered.
      Eventually do nothing outside of the safety of an updated dedicated VM.
      Old hardware has great value as single purpose tools.
      Complain if you need Flash to access the site.

      Update update update.

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  2. Haven't seen this one in a while by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your post advocates a

    (*) technical () legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

    approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

    () Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
    ( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
    ( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
    ( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
    (*) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
    ( ) Users of email will not put up with it
    ( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
    ( ) The police will not put up with it
    () Requires too much cooperation from spammers
    (*) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
    ( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
    () Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
    () Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

    Specifically, your plan fails to account for

    ( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
    ( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
    () Open relays in foreign countries
    ( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
    ( ) Asshats
    (*) Jurisdictional problems
    ( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
    ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
    (* ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
    ( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
    ( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
    ( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
    ( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
    (* ) Extreme profitability of spam
    ( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
    () Technically illiterate politicians
    ( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
    () Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
    ( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
    ( ) Outlook

    and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

    ( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
    been shown practical
    () Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
    (*) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
    ( *) Blacklists suck
    (*) Whitelists suck
    ( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
    ( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
    ( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
    ( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
    ( ) Sending email should be free
    (*) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
    ( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
    ( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
    ( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
    () I don't want the government reading my email
    ( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

    Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

    ( *) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
    ( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
    ( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your house down!

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    1. Re:Haven't seen this one in a while by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fail.

      • It's not about stopping spam so much as detecting mail that's not being sent from the servers the purported domain owner says it should be coming from.
      • It doesn't require total cooperation.
      • There are no jurisdictional problems with implementing DKIM/DMARC, and they were designed to work with SMTP (although they'll work with any other mail protocol when it comes to that).
      • One of the goals is to reduce the profitability of spam.
      • DMARC doesn't require email headers, and DKIM's header doesn't need to be legislated for you to implement it. Yes, that means the spammers don't have to implement it, but that won't help them evade it since the whole point of DKIM is to make it impossible for spammers to implement the header correctly (they don't have the correct private key to generate the signature, only the legitimate domain owner has it).
      • There's no blacklist, and the only whitelist is of valid outgoing mail servers for a domain maintained by the domain owner (who ought to know what mail servers his domain uses).
      • It doesn't demand that you trust any servers. It tells you what servers the domain owner trusts to send mail for him. Whether you trust that list or not, you can still trust the important fact needed: any server not on that list should not be trusted to be sending mail from the domain.
    2. Re:Haven't seen this one in a while by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Fail.

      That's fine, feel free to check your own boxes

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:Haven't seen this one in a while by khasim · · Score: 1

      Not only that but something does not sound right in TFA:

      Craig Williams, a senior manager at Talos, said the amount of snowshoe spam has more than doubled in the past two years and now accounts for more than 15 percent of all junk messages distributed globally.

      and

      Unsolicited junk mail accounts for 86 percent of the world's e-mail traffic, with about 400 billion spam messages sent a day, according to Talos, a digital threat research division of Cisco Systems.

      So 15% of 400 billion is ... 60 billion messages a day.

      And from the two examples in TFA, one is 5,000 messages and the other is 169 messages ... let's just go with 5,000 being average for the moment.

      That means 12 million "artisanal" SPAM runs every day. Each of 5,000 messages (on average).

      Or is my math off? Because it sounds like it should be pretty easy to spot the ISP's that are funnelling that much SPAM onto the Internet every day.

    4. Re:Haven't seen this one in a while by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The only reason to use any of these schemes is to make sure mail originating or passing through your MTA is delivered. It's lunacy to use it as any more than a weighting for anti-spam purposes. And, as I've seen some spam now that does indeed seem to be coming from legitimate servers (in other words it's not using some sort of spoofing) you're left with using Bayesian systems like Spamassassin to still weed out spam. Even greylisting doesn't work against these kinds of spam simply because they are operating as a proper MTAs and resending the email. Yes, it's a lower volume, but I'm seeing some phishing emails of fairly good sophistication in their layouts coming through. Sure the blacklists shut them down quickly enough, but domains are cheap so the scammers are quite happy to burn through several a month.

      In some ways, I miss the old days of joe jobs and dictionary attacks. Those were attacks I could deal with, either through tarpitting or greylisting, but I'm stuck now just try to build smart content filters to identify the nastier stuff, with more limited success.

      Personally I love email, and have no desire to jump on the Facebook wagon or any of the other social media messaging systems, but I really am beginning to think there's just no way to have an open delivery system like SMTP, no matter how much you to glue on identification and authentication schemes. I think in the end it's going to die, poisoned like Usenet has been. Damn pity, I miss the old days, but it's just getting ridiculous to manage email systems now.

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    5. Re:Haven't seen this one in a while by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Personally I love email, and have no desire to jump on the Facebook wagon or any of the other social media messaging systems, but I really am beginning to think there's just no way to have an open delivery system like SMTP, no matter how much you to glue on identification and authentication schemes.

      I've been thinking about that too.....imagine we had a "decentralized" friendship system, like facebook (or a system like Diaspora, but good). How would you keep the spam out? Facebook can kind of do it, because they have the ultimate power, although even they have problems. Would it be possible to keep the spam down with something like that?

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    6. Re:Haven't seen this one in a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brilliant post. And I complete agree with all your points. It reminds me a bit of how slashdot *used* to be...

    7. Re:Haven't seen this one in a while by JoshWurzel · · Score: 1

      This is the first time I've ever seen one of these forms that didn't check the "asshats" box. Asshats *always* screw things up.

    8. Re:Haven't seen this one in a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DKIM/DMARC are just somewhat more complicated SPF records. If an organization can't manage to keep SPF straight, how are they going to get DKIM/DMARC right? I constantly see emails hitting my office's spam filter that fail their organization's strict SPF policy.
      I mean, here are organizations specifically implementing a SPF for their mail servers. They get it, and are doing the right thing to prevent people from sending spam in their name. Then they blow it, usually by sending all their correspondence through a bulk mailer that offers them the service to avoid legislative problems with commercial email. The emails come through with unsubscribe options, properly labeled etc, but they're not coming from a domain listed in the SPF record! I've even seen emails from a web-hosting service and an IT Service Provider fail their own SPF record.

    9. Re:Haven't seen this one in a while by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Well, they are using a different definition of "snowshoe" spammer than the one I've heard used. To me, a snowshoe spammer is one that still sends large amounts of emails out, but spread them out over many, possibly dozens or more, hosting accounts. Much like how a snowshoe spreads your weight over a larger area of snow. The idea being that the volume from the individual accounts are low enough that it doesn't get flagged as spam and they can fly under the radar.

      I've got a couple that have been spamming me regularly. The technique is somewhat effective in the sense that it's about the only thing that (sometimes) gets through the spam filters. I've played whack-a-mole with them, but the problem seems to be smaller hosting companies located all over the world that seemingly don't give a shit.

  3. DMARC by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1

    One of the proposed solutions (that looks like it might be effective), DMARC, isn't even hard to set up. OK, you need DKIM set up properly on your outgoing mail servers, but that's not that hard to do. If I can figure out how to do it, starting from scratch, in an afternoon, any competent enterprise netadmin should be able to do it. Once DKIM's signing mail, DMARC is just a matter of publishing the DNS records. There's reporting software you can install to send reports back to domain owners when your systems receive problematic mail claiming to be from them, but to just let others detect problematic mail you just need the DNS record with your policies published. This is frankly not rocket science here.

    And if your mail software doesn't support DKIM or DMARC? Get better mail software.

    1. Re:DMARC by mysidia · · Score: 3, Interesting

      DMARC, isn't even hard to set up

      Except DMARC with SPF breaks E-mail forwarding between domains, and DKIM with DMARC breaks legitimate Mailing lists, so neither is viable

      However, Authenticated Receive Chain spec is promising.

    2. Re:DMARC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If I can figure out how to do it, starting from scratch, in an afternoon, any competent enterprise netadmin should be able to do it.

      The problem will arise when the 3rd party outsourced admin writes to their vendor's support team asking them to give precise steps to implement their requirements doc.

    3. Re:DMARC by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Howso? Domain A sends mail to domain B, domain B forwards mail to domain C in a new "envelope" just as currently happens. If domain B doesn't have a proper SPF record then yes, that's a problem, but it's a problem right now anyway.

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    4. Re:DMARC by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      You can do header rewriting. I certainly have done my share in Postfix, which I still regard as the best general MTA around.

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    5. Re:DMARC by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Yes, you have to do header rewriting. That's been around since the early SPF days over a decade ago. I was the admin for a small ISP back then, and it's part of the reason I discovered Postfix.

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    6. Re:DMARC by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      And, yet, we still have self-proclaimed experts that think it's a new problem that we don't have yet and can avoid by not implementing an otherwise workable solution. God I love this industry.

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      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
    7. Re:DMARC by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      In the end, that doesn't really solve the big problem. Yes, it allows schemes like SPF to function where email have to transit multiple MTAs, but no one is seriously going to deny an Email because there isn't an SPF or DMARC record. The best you do is give it a relatively small negative weight in your sad but necessary anti-spam system and still deliver external emails without such schemes in place to your local mailboxes if everything else seems kosher.

      Believe me, I've been fighting the spam war in one form or another for fifteen years. I have seen proposed schemes come and go, some stick like SPF, but they provide only marginal improvements. My best success has been with greylisting, but with these more low key kinds of spam attacks, the sending servers are still obeying the forms and have SPF or DKIM records, even that is failing. I'm literally left, with this new spam, using filtering to scan the incoming emails after my MTAs have accepted delivery. In a way, email is right back where it was a decade ago.

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    8. Re:DMARC by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Yes, you have to do header rewriting. That's been around since the early SPF days over a decade ago.

      First of all it's Not "header" rewriting. It's MAIL FROM rewriting The Rfc5321.MailFrom is not a message header; This is different from the Rfc5322.From header, which (outside of DMARC), has no relationship with SPF.

      It's almost irrelevent that YOU can do MailFrom. There is no mechanism you can use to force other people to do MailFrom rewriting when forwarding mail you (or one of your customers) send to a forwarded address, Or that your mail server receives from a forwarding server, and very often they do not implement the Sender rewrite scheme or other MailFrom rewriting. It's most often Other People's Mail servers, such as large ISPs that will forward without return path rewriting.

    9. Re:DMARC by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Howso? Domain A sends mail to domain B, domain B forwards mail to domain C in a new "envelope" just as currently happens.

      This is not what happens in practice. I can assure you that enforcing SPF Hardfail policy violations with SMTP rejects results in Numerous complaints from mailbox holders about "Lost e-mail" that is a result of such forwarding.

      And scoring it as spam generates complaints about spam filtering false positives and numerous whitelisting requests.

    10. Re:DMARC by BronsCon · · Score: 1
      On one hand you state:

      In the end, that doesn't really solve the big problem

      and it's fairly obvious that you realize it actually would solve the problem, because you go on to clarify:

      but no one is seriously going to deny an Email because there isn't an SPF or DMARC record.

      But, and buckle up because this might rock your world, that's an issue with the industry, not an issue with the solution. You (and I mean the general "you", not you specifically) say the problem is that most sending domains don't bother with SPF and DMARC? You're right, and there's a solution. Let Google, Yahoo!, and Hotmail start denying based on the existence of these records.

      People want their mail delivered and they're not gonna listen to Amazon (or anyone else) telling them they must switch mail providers because the one they're using has implemented a workable spam solution and they (the sender) can't be assed to make sure their domains comply. People will blame the senders, and they'll be right to do so, so the senders will comply. Then, who cares if all providers implement it? As long as your provider does, you're golden; all senders with any level of legitimacy will implement it in order to have the larger providers accept their messages and people will be free to choose providers who do or don't implement it (or to implement or not implement on their own servers) based on how big of a problem they perceive spam to be.

      All it takes is a relatively small handful of big-player providers agreeing to implement it and actually following through. Trust me, the senders will follow.

      the sending servers are still obeying the forms and have SPF or DKIM records, even that is failing.

      Right. This would simply allow you to deny mail from those domains, then. The same scanning and filtering that goes on today would still be necessary in order to identify spam domains, this just prevents someone from sending mail "From: somelegitaddress@google.com" and "Reply-to: iamascammer@myrandomdomain.nl" because their servers won't be allowed to send messages on behalf of google.com and, if they do happen to use the same servers, their user account won't have access to the signing key required to properly authenticate the message. Remember, security is always comprised of multiple layers; at least you won't have to guess whether or not you should deny mail from "google.com", because you'll know that message didn't legitimately come from Google, which kills an entire (and, in fact, the largest) class of spam right out of the gate, it kills 85% with, essentially, the flip of a switch. The remaining 15% can be dealt with by filtering, including domain age and mail volume as filter parameters.

      Will it ever be perfect? No, security can never be perfect, but if we can kill 85% of spam for users who care to bother, why should we not do it?

      And, for the record, the self-proclaimed expert I was referring to in my reply wasn't you.

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    11. Re:DMARC by mysidia · · Score: 1

      no one is seriously going to deny an Email because there isn't an SPF or DMARC record

      Not yet. But as it is a majority of domains have a SPF record, and some of the domains that most e-mail is from that are commonly spoofed have DMARC entries as well.

      I could see rejecting email because there's no SPF record, eventually, but not yet. Not until the Forwarding alias Problem is solved with a protocol such as ARC.

      And sorry, but Sender Rewrite Scheme is not viable; because SPF requires everyone to have implemented it first, and in practice --- nobody implements it.

  4. How do you tell when a spammer is lying? by Grand+Facade · · Score: 1

    "Security researchers have been pushing for a unified registry to help deal with these mid-range spammers, but it's hard to get a significant portion of providers on the same page, particularly when many are hosting spammers.

    There I fixed that for you.

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    1. Re:How do you tell when a spammer is lying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Security researchers are seeing a new trend in spam: less volume, and better targeting."

      In other words, the Spammers are using the same techniques, and the same Databases, that Madison Avenue are using.
      This is no coincidence; they are one and the same.

      I actually, across all of my email addresses, get maybe one Spam every six months or so. The last one was from... Apple.
      When I uncloak my computers, what advertising does make it through is for Cloud Hosting, Server Hosting, and Atomic Clocks.
      Yes, I really am that boring.

  5. A unified registry is a bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Security researchers have been pushing for a unified registry to help deal with these mid-range spammers, but it's hard to get a significant portion of providers on the same page, particularly when many are fond of running their own solutions."

    As soon as you create a unified registry, you create a gate keeper, and his arbitrary decisions as to what is spam. Like the DMOZ days of old, where a category editor would make arbitrary decisions as to whether a website was spam or ham, while actually receiving money to promote some websites behind the backs of DMOZ.

    Or like AdBlocker, that blocks ADs unless an ad provider has paid them a registration fee, in which case they let it through.

  6. spam? like from the 1990's? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Do people get spam still? I thought we all learned in the Spam Wars of the 1990's to use different disposable addresses for pretty much everything, burning them to the ground if they start to receive any spam.

    I can't even remember the last time I've gotten a spam email. Must be over 15 years. It's a 1990's problem, not a 2016 problem, unless you're doing something very wrong. Spam is optional.

  7. Email is almost useless now by kheldan · · Score: 0

    The signal-to-noise ratio in the average persons' inbox is so low that it's almost pointless to use email anymore. I could set up an email account with random alphanumerics and never use it for anything or tell anyone about it, and eventually it'd get filled with spam anyway.

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    1. Re:Email is almost useless now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ?? Only if it's a very short address. Otherwise, how would anyone know?

      I don't use a spam filter, and I don't get any spam. I just use disposable addresses to sign up for web shit, and only give my real address to friends. Problem solved. Been spam-free for eons now.

      Spam is only a problem if you don't have good privacy practices.

    2. Re:Email is almost useless now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the reverse of the truth. Spam filtering is more effective today than it has ever been. Almost any commercial or open source product you pick can reduce the amount of spam delivered to the desktop to the level of background noise.

    3. Re:Email is almost useless now by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      I have a special email address I only use to communicate with friends and family. I have spam filtering turned off. I have not received a single spam email in the several years I have used this email address.

    4. Re:Email is almost useless now by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Google does a pretty damned good job of getting rid of spam. I rarely see spam on my Gmail accounts these days, maybe once or twice a month. The problem is that Google has huge resources to manage filters, so it's success rate is going to be a lot higher than even most corporate mail systems. That's probably why a lot corporate servers are farmed out to Google and Microsoft. When our Exchange 2010 infrastructure finally reaches the end of the road in a few years, I imagine we will probably go to one of those services and bid a not-so-fond farewell to hosting our own email.

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    5. Re: Email is almost useless now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you're lucky, even if you never give the address to someone who will spam you, or even who might sell it to someone who might spam you, if there email is hacked your address will be harvested.

    6. Re:Email is almost useless now by alphatel · · Score: 1

      Google does a pretty damned good job of getting rid of spam. I rarely see spam on my Gmail accounts these days, maybe once or twice a month. The problem is that Google has huge resources to manage filters, so it's success rate is going to be a lot higher than even most corporate mail systems. That's probably why a lot corporate servers are farmed out to Google and Microsoft. When our Exchange 2010 infrastructure finally reaches the end of the road in a few years, I imagine we will probably go to one of those services and bid a not-so-fond farewell to hosting our own email.

      I am compelled to point out two glaring omissions which could help you discover meaning in life.

      Google acquired Postini in 2007, at the time the best cloud-based anti-spam solution in the world, used by everyone from NYT to IBM. Hence why Gmail is so good (because someone else created methods that were good enough for everyone).

      Email hosting is only as good as the person running it. It is not "magically better" somewhere else. Going to the cloud for mail storage and retrieval is both more expensive and less secure than your own infrastructure. I can verify this having migrated several enterprise customers to Azure/AWS/O365 despite the drawbacks. One of them is already considering spending another vast bundle of money to migrate back.

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  8. Fuck Spam Filters & Fuck Cloudflare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spammers suck and they exploit dynamic IPs to crap onto the Internet. Trouble is the dipshits at Cloudflare are blocking any IP which has had a spam or anything bad running from it. Spammers know this and disconnect from their IP after they have sent their spam. Deeeeerp. But now it means that honest citizens must begin their day by connecting and disconnecting until they get an IP that Cloudflare + stopspamforum and other dipshits haven't blocked.

    BTW Cloudflare say it isn't their fault: They blame their customers for using Cloudflare's "high security settings". But their customers don't realize Cloudlfare has set those so high their head is up their own butt.

    SO FUCK YOU CLOUDFLARE. I hope Putin bans you cockheads for good.

    1. Re:Fuck Spam Filters & Fuck Cloudflare by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      Problem solved with ipv6.

    2. Re:Fuck Spam Filters & Fuck Cloudflare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which the Chinese government *loves* because it allows tracking even through a NAT

  9. Spam not even one repeat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gmail. Check the box, then click tab at top that says more, then select filter messages like these, at bottom select create filter with this search. select delete box, also select apply filter to one matching conversation at the bottom, and click the create filter box next to it.
    You never have any email you dont want ever again that easy.

    You are welcome.
    Thanks Gmail team.

  10. Not even the correct definition of Snowshoe.... by Temkin · · Score: 3, Informative

    A snowshoe spreads the load of the wearer over a larger area, making it less likely the wearer will exceed the crush strength of the snow and sink in.

    Snowshoe spam spreads the SMTP submission task across many IP addresses. So if one gets blocked, they can simply discard it and rent another to replace it. Change IP addresses every hour, and it gets difficult to update the block lists fast enough.

    1. Re:Not even the correct definition of Snowshoe.... by Megor1 · · Score: 1

      I'd mod you up if I had points, had the exact same thought.

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    2. Re:Not even the correct definition of Snowshoe.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ditto what parent said about the definition of 'showshoe'.

      (I've run my own incoming email server for just over a year now.) I've been watching the trends in my logs and snowshoeing seems to be down for me. It's a little disappointing as I've found it quite easy to recognize (by human scanning) and very low with false positives. It was very high when I deployed my server, stayed quite high for 9 months, and has since petered off. Most of the spam I reject now appears to be coming from trojaned machine, but most of those have no rDNS or are identified by my DUL rules. That seems to cover more than half of my rejections before checking the rest of my rules.

  11. Nobody should be surprised by this by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course the spammers will find ways to get around the filters, they make money by doing exactly that. The companies behind the filters are patting themselves on the back right now because the volume of read spam is down, but they aren't bothering to tell you that the false positive rate keeps creeping up over time. The critical measurement lies there, in the signal to noise ratio.

    Any time the spammers can push down the signal to noise ratio, they win. It means a few more messages get through, and a few more sales are made. Alternatively, it means a few more non-spam emails are caught in filters, which causes people to adjust their filters to let more borderline messages through. The whole time, everyone on the internet is paying to be on the losing side of this arms race.

    At the end of the day, as I have said many many times here, spam is an economic problem. No technical, legal, or spiritual solution will stop it. As long as people can make money as spammers, they will keep sending out spam, with no concern for where or to whom it goes. There is only one way to stop spam, and that is by making sure the spammers don't get paid. As soon as the money stops coming in, the spam stops going out.

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    1. Re:Nobody should be surprised by this by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Never the less, it is the open nature of SMTP, developed in a kinder, gentler age that makes dealing with spam so difficult. That being said, walled gardens like Facebook have their fair share, but seeing as all messages are in strict terms internal it's easier for such systems to be altered to deal with more egregious spam attacks. With SMTP, you're stuck a number of solutions that still, if the system is going to be of any use, necessarily leave the door open a crack.

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    2. Re:Nobody should be surprised by this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Of course the spammers will find ways to get around the filters, they make money by doing exactly that. The companies behind the filters are patting themselves on the back right now because the volume of read spam is down, but they aren't bothering to tell you that the false positive rate keeps creeping up over time. The critical measurement lies there, in the signal to noise ratio.

      Unless you use CRM14. That's been bog stable, and effective. It does take training of the rulles. but the rules are created individually and tuned individually. And it accepts any standard to filter on that you want, including "contains evidence of criminal behavior".

    3. Re:Nobody should be surprised by this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did the spammers know of 5000 French-speaking & iTunes-using Email addresses?
      Is this an issue of browser privacy or online stalking, too?

  12. Re:spam? like from the 1990's? by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    It's very tedious to use multiple addresses.

  13. You missed the small subtelties. by DrYak · · Score: 1

    I'd like to know who the idiots are that respond and make spam profitable.

    No, not necessarily profitable for the seller of the product whose advertisement is forced into your inbox.(*)
    It's profitable for the crooks who are into the business of selling the *act of forcing SPAM into your inbox* to the clueless marketing that think that this a valid way to promote their products.

    Really, these enablers are ultimately responsible for spam and should also receive condemnation.

    The real enablers who should take responsibility for spam are those clueless enough to think it's a good idea and ask for it as a way to promote their products.
    As long as there's demand (we need that ad to reach inboxes, no matter what) there'll be offer (SPAM finding which ever techniques they can come up with to push shit into your inbox).

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    (*) speaking of which: I'm surprised that advertisers haven't started complaining about spam-filters just the way they complain about uBlock/AdBlock killing their business model.

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  14. Time changes... by DrYak · · Score: 1

    (* ) Extreme profitability of spam

    That is something that has changed a lot recently.

    SPAM *used* to be extremely profitable for seller:
    - sending an e-mail is basically free. (no stamp, unlike post. No phone connection fees, unlike fax)
    - even if you only manage to sell 1 single item, that's still 1 sell that earn the 1x price of item monetary gain
    - return on investment ratio: 1 / 0 = +Inf

    Nowadays spaming is a business it self, and that has changed:
    - for a seller they pay some crook for the spamming act: they pay someone to push the ad to inboxes.
    - but they need to make extra sell to make for these costs.
    - and the spam could be negative publicity for them
    For a modern day seller, living in an era where you subcontract spamming, SPAM isn't extremely profitable.
    BUT, the world is filled with stupid clueless seller that genuinely think that this is a genuine method to boost sales.

    - for a sleazy crook which sells the service of sending SPAM to inbox (using their botnet or whatever), SPAM is guaranteed to be profitable
    - they get paid by the clueless seller.
    - they need to invest some light resources (obtaining access to a botnet from other crooks)
    - as long as spam reaches inbox, even if they anything isn't sold, it's a success for the SPAMer.
    For a modern day SPAM pusher, SPAM is even better than before:
    you just get paid to push crap into people's inbox, no matter what happens afterwrard.

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  15. Re:spam? like from the 1990's? by JazzLad · · Score: 1

    Not if you're willing to spend a couple dollars a year on a domain (which, in my case, I own anyway).

    Amazon gets amazon@(mydomain), slashdot gets slashdot@(mydomain), etc & all point to 1 single inbox. I have a catch-all in place so I can assign them after the fact (typically I don't bother any more unless one picks up spam - and then I know what business not to trust anymore).

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  16. I'm not a spammer but I send "unsolicited" email by Notorious+G · · Score: 1

    Here's the deal, I'd be interested in your feedback.

    I send unsolicited email, anywhere from 100-200 per day depending on the email campaign and targets I'm after although 100 is by far the most common amount. These emails are 100% CAN-SPAM compliant: they come from my email, have my name, address and phone number, provide a opt-out link that is applied within seconds and you never get another from me, if you just email me to stop I apply that request immediately, etc. These are small, text only based emails that can easily be read on a mobile device.

    I do not send it to random people, I do my homework. I only send to people that I believe have a reasonable probability of wanting/needing what I'm selling as anything else is a waste of time and resources for both of us. Out of the about 100 per day sent, if I've done my job properly, I get around a 10% response rate asking for more information, a meeting, or something along those lines (sometimes more, sometimes less). Out of the roughly 400 I send a week (I don't send every day) I can expect to generate 2-3 new qualified opportunities that could lead to a sale.

    I do not believe this is spamming, the law agrees with that since I am CAN-SPAM compliant although I certainly see the the anti-spam "purists" could make the case that it is spam since it is unsolicited email. This approach has led to a significant increase in sales without a increase is staffing. It beats the hell out of cold calling. It used to take our sales guys about 100 phone calls a day, every single day, to generate 2-3 qualified opportunities a month and now our sales guys makes about 24 'warm' calls a day and generate literally twice as many qualified opportunities.

    This strategy works and works very well. With those kind of results and a highly targeted approach, I don't think we're crossing the line. What do you guys think?

  17. If only they WOULD email the bill by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wish they would email the bill. Alas, most just email you telling you that you HAVE a bill... then you have to go to their site to see it. (What? it's a security issue if my email gets intercepted and someone learns I need to pay the gas company $16.49?)

    What a hassle - another site to sign up at, more ridiculous and changing password rules to make you pick "good" passwords (if your favorite characters are even allowed).

    At least some of them DO send the bill to my e-bank, so that I can see the bill on the same site I am paying it.

    That said, I do auto-charge some to a credit card, like the land-line (wife needs it for FAX), toll road, couple of others. And guess what? As long as the amount looks about right, I never look at the bill. It's diabolical, they could be slamming me with small amounts that they no nobody will bother to quibble about, and now, I never even see the details.

    (And it does happen. The Long Distance carrier for that land-line comes to $3.68 per month, with Zero services used. That's right, $0.00, plus Federal universal service fund + Fed Telecom relay service + Federal regulatory recovery +Property Tax recovery +interstate services fee. Most if Federal, but CenturyLink has found a way to steal a penny here, a nickle there, every month, from every customer. I am sure it adds up.)

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  18. Re:spam? like from the 1990's? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yes, however I happen to use GMail, and as a very early adopter I've got a 7-character email name before the @ symbol. I also used disposable email address to prevent spam when signing up to make one single post to a forum for example.

    Then one day, some fuckwit (in an entirely different country, halfway across the globe!) decided to register himself with a bunch of shady pyramid-scheme type marketing websites and used *my* email address when doing so.

    As a result, I now get inundated with spam from al of these shady marketing websites as well as all the other shady websites that their mailing lists have invariably been sold to and so on.....

  19. Re:spam? like from the 1990's? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's very tedious to use multiple addresses.

    It's too bad you don't have access to a device designed specifically to automate repetitive tasks.

  20. Re:I'm not a spammer but I send "unsolicited" emai by marvinglenn · · Score: 1

    If any of my customers complained, or you hit any of my personal addresses, you'd likely by placed on my block lists. Can-spam compliance means next to nothing for my policy because of how it's been abused or used as an excuse by those who claim to technically be in compliance with it.

    The only thing that would likely save you from wrath on my server was if the message contained a reasonable explanation of where you acquired the email address you were sending to and why you believed that the message was well targeted and would be welcomed.

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  21. Re:I'm not a spammer but I send "unsolicited" emai by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

    You are sending 100-200 advertising emails a day with the expectation that 90% of the recipients will have no interest in them and never reply. That totally counts as spam. It may be a small scale spam operation, but that doesn't change its essential character.

    I receive tons of spam from people I suspect are very similar to you. Here's an example of one I got yesterday:

    Dear [my name],

    I hope everything goes well with you!

    I had contacted you regarding the peptide synthesis several months ago, your paper: [name of a paper I wrote] indicated that you may need synthetic peptides, so I am writing to you again to enquire if you need any new peptide recently?

    Needless to say, I have never used synthetic peptides in my life. The paper in question had nothing whatsoever to do with synthetic peptides. Had the person read even the abstract, that would have been obvious to them. But when you're emailing 100-200 people per day, you can't take the time to actually research each person. You just grab the address of every person who's published in a list of journals, and automatically fill in the names of their papers as a hook to make it look like your email was from a real person who actually read their paper.

    I get tons of emails like this, and I constantly curse the people who send them. And yes, I always hit the "unsubscribe" links, but I can't see that it's had much effect on the amount of spam I get. CAN-SPAM was nothing but a giveaway to the marketing industry. There are 30 million companies in the U.S., with thousands of new ones created every day. The idea that I should have to opt out of receiving spam from every one of them individually is a joke.

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