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Europe Now Has Its Own "Most Wanted Fugitives" Web Page (eumostwanted.eu)

New submitter ffkom writes: European police organization Europol was probably jealous of the fame and popularity of the FBI's Most Wanted site, so they finally launched their own, European version. And if you want to know what a peaceful place Europe is, just consider this: You don't even have to kill anyone to get on the current "Most Wanted Fugitives" list. A mere fraud worth 12€ is currently enough to get you into this "Hall of questionable fame."

208 comments

  1. Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...but 12,563 euros. Some European countries use "." instead of ",".

    Still not much in the grand scheme of things though!

    1. Re:Not 12 euros... by Livius · · Score: 1, Informative

      Some European countries use "." instead of ",".

      The UK and Ireland - where they speak English - do not. The website is wrong.

      Though Slashdot should do better than blindly copying an obvious error.

    2. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but 12,563 euros. Some European countries use "." instead of ",".

      Still not much in the grand scheme of things though!

      Amazing how many other commenters "informed" us of this fact long after you had.

      Anyway, yes €12k fraud in a furniture deal seems a strange reason to be on this list... I counted 3 people on the list who weren't wanted for murder, rape or drug offences. This guy is either a scapegoat, or there's something they're not telling us...

    3. Re:Not 12 euros... by Opportunist · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Who gives a shit about exactly those two countries that could barely be less European but still qualify for the EU?

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    4. Re:Not 12 euros... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1, Informative

      You couldn't even point to Europe on a map, you fat bastard.

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    5. Re:Not 12 euros... by ffkom · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but it is not me who cannot read: The text of the story that I submitted specifically said 12 k€, see: http://slashdot.org/submission...

      I've got no idea why the "k" before the "€" mysteriously disappeared when the story was published.

    6. Re: Not 12 euros... by Fragnet · · Score: 1

      Not making strong immigration laws is what's empowering the far right in Europe. So twisting your knickers about this is quite a stretch.

    7. Re:Not 12 euros... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I've got no idea why the "k" before the "â" [1] mysteriously disappeared

      There shouldn't be anything before the € anyway.

      http://publications.europa.eu/...

      [1] Slashdot mangles it, as you can see. Better to use the iso code. It's EUR.

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    8. Re:Not 12 euros... by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Informative

      Notice that the submitted story had it right: http://slashdot.org/submission...

      A mere fraud worth 12 k€

      After edited by timothy it changed to:

      A mere fraud worth 12€

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    9. Re:Not 12 euros... by ffkom · · Score: 2

      The publication.europa.eu site you cite makes other even less ASCII-compatible and some outright stupid proposals:

      They propose to put a "hard space" between the currency and the value, but "hard" or "non breaking" spaces are not included in ASCII.

      They propose "m EUR or bn EUR may only be used when space is insufficent for spelling out", which is outright stupid because there is a SI prefix "M" for "million" already, and "m" is also an existing SI prefix meaning "milli" - 1/1000.

      However, it's a pity this site does not support Unicode, like almost every contemporary software.

    10. Re:Not 12 euros... by r1348 · · Score: 1

      Exactly, how is this guy on the same page of Matteo Messina Denaro, a Sicilian mafia boss who killed the child son of a rival boss and dissolved his body in an acid vat?

    11. Re:Not 12 euros... by arth1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They propose "m EUR or bn EUR may only be used when space is insufficent for spelling out", which is outright stupid because there is a SI prefix "M" for "million" already, and "m" is also an existing SI prefix meaning "milli" - 1/1000.

      And also stupid because the EU countries are split on what "bn" or billion would mean. In most of the EU, a billion means a million million, but then there are a few countries that use the short scale like the US, and a billion means a thousand million.

    12. Re: Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People being unable to differentiate between individuals and groups is what empowers neo-nazis. (Don't want to call the far right since they economically are pretty much in the center.)
      Neo-nazis groups and criminal gangs tend to grow the most when school fails, otherwise they mostly consists of young men that didn't have a suitable father figure growing up. It is not really surprising that the neo-nazis you see write a lot on internet forums lately can't even spell words in their own language correctly.
      It has very little to do with the actual politics going on right now, but rather what went down ten to thirty years ago.

    13. Re:Not 12 euros... by Samour · · Score: 1

      Yup. That's almost a small claims court dispute.

    14. Re:Not 12 euros... by rossdee · · Score: 2

      > Some European countries use "." instead of ",".

      spreadsheet data stored in a ..CSV file must really confuse them.

    15. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some European countries use "." instead of ",".

      The UK and Ireland - where they speak English - do not. The website is wrong.

      Though Slashdot should do better than blindly copying an obvious error.

      You'd think the Irish would have changed that to match the rest of Europe long ago as part of their ongoing effort to expunge any remaining traces of 800 years of benevolent British rule in Ireland.

    16. Re:Not 12 euros... by ericloewe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ISO 31 specifically states that both "," and "." are valid separators.

      If one cannot infer what the number is in this particular case, they have no business writing anything at all. Confusing 12€ with 12 523€ is a new level of stupidity.

    17. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where can I buy garden furniture for €12? Count me in. My check won't even bounce.

      Still, even getting on the "most wanted" list for €12K is somewhat questonable...

    18. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The UK and portions of Ireland also don't use the Euro. What's your point?

    19. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It matters now. From the friendly article:

      "The total amount of money was 12.523 EUR."

      Even to the untrained observer, incapable of telling a "." from a "," there is still dead dead giveaway. Yes; the 3 digits after the punctuation.

      A: "How much is this doughnut hot-dog?"
      B: "That'll be 12 dollars and 523 cents please"

    20. Re: Not 12 euros... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      "The empowered far-right" refers to democratic parties, not skinheads and criminals. And they are bolstered by the ongoing immigration crisis and the total absence of adequate measures to prevent or mitigate the resulting problems. Worried but otherwise moderate people are increasingly voicing support for what is termed the "far right" because none of the other parties appear to be interested in taking action.

      By the way, that has nothing to do with the inability to differentiate between individuals and groups. Moderate, reasonable people know the distinction and while they may (rightly) fear the problems of mass immigration, that does not mean they have anything against individual immigrants, against the group of immigrants who are here already, or against bona fide refugees. It does not mean that they are xenofobes who hate foreigners or their culture. They just want less immigration overall as they see the effect it is starting to have on their countries' culture, safety and finances. And some don't even want less immigration but stricter selection and integration processes, and effective repatriation policies.

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    21. Re:Not 12 euros... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Parsing a CSV is harder than you'd think, for that reason amongst others. Even Excel doesn't always get it right, I remember having to get some 3rd party library to correctly read all cases, and it was quite a lot of code. Not just fields=split(line,",")

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    22. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      To his defense, "k€" probably looked to timothy like a typical unicode mishandling by slashdot.

    23. Re:Not 12 euros... by flopsquad · · Score: 1

      I've never understood the rationale for the non-US billion. Both 10^6 and 10^9 (and to a lesser extent 10^12) are numbers that come up all the time, why not have explicit names for them? SI has a prefix at every thousand mark. You gain very little by "stretching" the scale, since numbers 10^15 and up are exceedingly rare to encounter in a form that's not already SI-prefixed (e.g. petabytes).

      So to bring home the story for the American audience:
      Because of differences in comma/period conventions and the short/long billion scale, it turns out this guy didn't scam a few bucks worth of patio furniture; he defrauded Europe to the tune of twelve trillion euro, comparable to the entire Eurozone's GDP. Don't you think that warrants inclusion on the Most Wanted list?

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    24. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Notice that the submitted story had it right: http://slashdot.org/submission...

      A mere fraud worth 12 k€

      After edited by timothy it changed to:

      A mere fraud worth 12€

      Yah! Timmy! Showing off his best abilities to stuff things up to his new bosses,

    25. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although it works in this case, I can assure you that "just infer from context" is a bad idea in general as it's not guaranteed to work. To prevent a problem in the future it's best to shame this European organization for mixing the English language and a non-English locale for numbers.

    26. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you save as "CSV" in Finland (for example), it will be saved as semicolon delimited and not comma delimited. Excel also won't open CSV files properly unless you use the text import wizard. Yes it's annoying.

    27. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who said they were writing in British or Irish English? Perhaps they were writing in European English, a language made up just to piss you off. No, really, there is no trademark on the language, we are free to have our own rules.

      In fact, it is really confusing to have a tiny dot indicating the fractional part and a bulky comma where a space could have been more useful, you guys should really swap the comma and the dot.

    28. Re: Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One man's "xenophobe" is another man's patriot, trying to protect what previous generations spent their lives building. Those attempting to cause civil unrest by flooding the country with incompatible culture are traitors and should be viewed the same as a foreign general bringing in an army.

    29. Re:Not 12 euros... by KiloByte · · Score: 2

      Uhm, you're missing the word milliard. And yeah, we need two scales with confusing names about as much as we need systemd.

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    30. Re:Not 12 euros... by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "If you save as "CSV" in Finland (for example), it will be saved as semicolon delimited and not comma delimited."

      Hardly. The comma or the semicolon are the field _separator_, not the delimiter, hence the name Comma SEPARATED.

      The delimiter for text fields are quotes, because these fields may contain the separator character.

    31. Re:Not 12 euros... by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Where can I buy garden furniture for €12? Count me in. My check won't even bounce."

      The simple white injection mold chairs are currently available for $8.09

      http://www.kmart.com/gracious-...

    32. Re:Not 12 euros... by arth1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've never understood the rationale for the non-US billion. Both 10^6 and 10^9 (and to a lesser extent 10^12) are numbers that come up all the time, why not have explicit names for them?

      Um, that is the rationale. There are names.

      Million = 10^6
      Milliard = 10^9
      Billion = 10^12 = million^2
      Billiard = 10^15 (and a game)
      Trillion - 10^18 = million^3 ... and so on

      It also makes it easier to figure out that a septillion is a million^7. Likewise, to go the other way, 10^30=10^6^5, i.e. a pentillion.

      The US short scale system has no good relation between the names and the actual numbers. A septillion in US terminology is 10^24 - where does the seven come in?

    33. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its the same logic used when a murderer often gets 2-3 years and someone who committed copyright infringement can get 7 years.

      https://torrentfreak.com/87-mo...

    34. Re: Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't try to mask your fascist views with a claimed underdog representation - pan-european sentiment is much more complex.

    35. Re:Not 12 euros... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Some Latin American countries copied both the European way and the American way, so you might see a sign for a burger that is 12.32, next to a sign for a car that is 12.476

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    36. Re:Not 12 euros... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It is very common for Europeans, who pride themselves on being multilingual, use disagreeing locales for words as for numbers. It helps to make sure nobody can understand anything without referring to the original language document, and also it maintains the appearance of a translation.

    37. Re:Not 12 euros... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      They're just numbers representing money, stop letting money rule your life, who cares? What could it hurt?

      Oh, wait.

    38. Re:Not 12 euros... by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      There is only systemd, and when I choose it, I know exactly which one I'm choosing.

      If only I could say the same for Gtk, or European numerical units.

    39. Re:Not 12 euros... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Wait, isn't that the broken AI editor that taco installed in the 90s? If they're not going to publish the code, I say pull the plug.

    40. Re:Not 12 euros... by Incadenza · · Score: 1

      So you tell me that this guy bought 12k € of garden furniture? He must have a hell of a garden. Maybe he's just camping in his back yard?

    41. Re:Not 12 euros... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      In the example you listed, I'm inclined to believe the cents before believing it is thousands. Well, except I'm familiar with the European numbering conventions. Anyhow, I mean, who would pay over 12.5k EUR for a doughnut hot-dog?

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    42. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's Million 10^6, Milliard 10^9, Billion 10^12, Billiard 10^15, Trillion 10^18, Trilliard 10^21, ...
       
      By the way the U.S. doesn't use U.S. billions but French billions. The French changed from short scale to long scale in the early sixties, while the British changed from large to short scale in the mid seventies. So the French now use the non French system and the English speaking countries use the French system.

    43. Re: Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily as clean exponent-wise, but the short scale sort of counts the number of places after a thousand. So for your septillion, you'd see

      Where n = 7 (because of septillion)

      1000 x 10^(3 * n) = 10^24

      Basically it's telling you to make 21 places after the first three.

    44. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In fact most of the Europe uses comma (,) as a decimal separator.

      See here for details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark

    45. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God, I hope the new owners fire the current editors and replace them with someone competent in the English language.

    46. Re:Not 12 euros... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      But the text fields may also contain quote characters, so those need to be escaped. But they may also contain the escape character... there's a reason there are libraries for parsing that sort of thing.

    47. Re:Not 12 euros... by flopsquad · · Score: 1

      Yeah I found those terms in my searches. Maybe they sound natural to people who've grown up with them; they sound odd and contrived to my ears (but that's just me). "The global economy is projected to grow to over a trilliard EUR by 2250." "There are 7 milliard people in the world." Meh.

      I don't see 10^6n [and a separate construction for 10^(6n+3)] as particularly more intuitive than 10^3(n+1). I get the rationale you put forth about exponents of a million. But I'm left wondering how useful it is to make it easy to discuss 10^30.

      Using up good "-ion" terms on numbers >=10^18--that have almost no physical representation or relevance to most people--means you have to call in "-iard" to fill the gaps for numbers that get talked about like 10^9 and 10^15.

      I dunno... to those for whom long billions are working, cheers and more power to you.

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    48. Re: Not 12 euros... by Ahnahmoley · · Score: 1

      Anon is... Right?!?

    49. Re:Not 12 euros... by ericloewe · · Score: 1

      I'd prefer an unequivocal standard. Lacking one, we all just have to do our best to make things unequivocal. That means spaces as digit separators and a single character as decimal separator. Simple enough that even a computer can trivially figure it out and everyone gets to use their own favorite decimal separator.

    50. Re:Not 12 euros... by KevReedUK · · Score: 1

      When you consider that the furniture in question was for installation in a restaurant, it's not that incredible.

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    51. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'MERICA!!!

    52. Re:Not 12 euros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of a restaurant can you furnish for 12 Euros? 12K isn't all that much. A dozen sets of good quality dining table + chairs + umbrella at 1000 a pop and you're there.

  2. 12.523 EUR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, well, well... There is a tiny difference between a decimal separator and a thousands separator.

  3. Ah, Slashdot. by aix+tom · · Score: 3, Funny

    The place where the editors don't know the "." is the thousands separator in several European languages. ;-P

    1. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ignorants. Really you would believe you steal 12 EUR and you get on that list? What a ****** you must be!

    2. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      I wonder what the editors though the ",-" part meant in "12.523,- EUR"?

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    3. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The place where the editors don't know the "." is the thousands separator in several European languages. ;-P

      Which is fair enough - a lot of people in the world don't know that either.
      However, I would expect that when the page says it is displaying english, it would use the english thousands seperator.
      Makes it a bit of a fail for a website launch.

    4. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It means no cents, as in 12.345,67 EUR. When you're casually declaring a value, you can omit the cents part, but some places enforce the declaration -in theory, for example, is needed when writing a check. In practice is seldom enforced-, so you have to write 12.345,00 EUR or alternatively 12.345,- EUR

    5. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a knowledgable individual you are. Too bad you didnt answer the question.

    6. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 2

      Nor do they know that in English the Euro symbol goes in front of the numerals representing the value, not after (same for the Dollar sign by the way).

    7. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Nonsensical question though.

      /. editors thinking?! THAT would be news for nerds...

    8. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by edittard · · Score: 1

      I would expect that when the page says it is displaying english, it would use the english thousands seperator.

      Well, you're clearly an expert.

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    9. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Europe. I've not written a paper checque in nearly 20 years.

    10. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by sanosuke001 · · Score: 1

      There is a dropdown at the top to change language; english is selected when I go to the site. If they have different languages, they should use the language appropriate thousands separator character. Though, three-digits isn't a valid sub-currency-unit value anywhere I know of so it's still not a valid excuse.

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    11. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Language in itself isn't always a reliable/full indicator of what format to use. Which date format should they use D/M/Y or M/D/Y?

      There's a reason for language codes like
      en-AU English (Australia)
      en-BZ English (Belize)
      en-CA English (Canada)
      en-CB English (Caribbean)
      en-GB English (United Kingdom)
      en-IE English (Ireland)
      en-JM English (Jamaica)
      en-NZ English (New Zealand)
      en-PH English (Republic of the Philippines)
      en-TT English (Trinidad and Tobago)
      en-US English (United States)
      en-ZA English (South Africa)
      en-ZW English (Zimbabwe)
      and even here they confuddle things by mixing GB and United Kingdom... en-IE English (Ireland)

    12. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by frootcakeuk · · Score: 1

      We don't use the Euro at all!! £12k is how we would write it.

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    13. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by frootcakeuk · · Score: 1

      Gah! Fucking Unicode!! I'm really beginning to resent this place!! It used to be fun!

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    14. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by Aighearach · · Score: 0

      If you look at how few convictions they achieve, it is perfectly believable that the police have downsized their list to the level of criminals they can actually catch. It isn't like they break up known organized crime groups on a regular basis.

      They have statistics that list very low crime rates, and yet poorer Euro countries are heavily dominated by organized crime and corruption.

      Europe lists low murder rates, too bad they also list high missing persons rates. What is the crime rate in a country with a serious organized crime problem, serious enough to prevent foreign investment? Low! And the authorities make no attempt to correct the tabulation.

      I don't have any trouble believing that European law enforcement intentionally phrased their "most wanted" list so that it was confusing and downplayed the crimes. They don't expect to succeed in catching many of them anyways, so how bad do they want them to look?

    15. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I wonder what the editors though the ",-" part meant in "12.523,- EUR"?

      You make three obvious mistakes here. The incorrect pluralization of editors, the missing t on thought, and the idea that slashdot editors think.

    16. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      €12k, you mean? Umm... It's really not the fault of Unicode. You might say it is the fault of /. but, really, this system has been in place (and the same) for years.

      Do you use U+1235 to insert it? Don't. Use keyboard layouts. Do not use the modifier key thing from Apple either - it has never worked. This system has been this way for a very, very long time.

      © ® ¼ ½ ¾ and even ¥ all work. You just need to insert them properly. You can do so with the ampersand, as far as I know, like < as an example. Or, you can use an international keyboard layout and use the alt-key method. You can even type El Niño if you want.

      Your name (and post) indicate that you might be from the UK. Use a UK keyboard with the UK keyboard layout and it should work? I just use US International (with a few silly other names behind it like ALT GR W/ DEAD KEYS ENGINEER OMG WTF BBQ - I don't even know what they all mean) Layout as the default so that I can insert the £ as needed on Slashdot.

      Yup. I do it just for Slashdot. Not that it's special or anything. It's just that Slashdot is the place I type the most and try to be reasonably accurate because it is the home of pedants and people with mental health issues. Which is a long way to explain that I simply figured out how it worked so that I'd make fewer mistakes. It has been this way for years and is the reason I use the layout.

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    17. Re:Ah, Slashdot. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I know you can set the defaults on some OSes. Maybe it's possible to have a page display according to the user's defaults so that we don't need to worry about localized conventions? Note: That is a question, not a presumption or anything like that.

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  4. Lol'd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's 12k€, not 12€, silly muricans

  5. Are you stupid or is this supposed to be a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In parts of Europe they use the dot as digit grouping. It is of course a fraud of 12523 EUR.

  6. Wrong Amount In Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not 12 Euro. It's 12K Euro. The decimal and thousands separators are interchanged in Europe. So 12.523 EUR = 12K

    1. Re:Wrong Amount In Summary by mikael · · Score: 1

      They do that in Norway too. It can generate a rather awkward moment and funny look when you are presented with a bill for 12,500 Kroner, (about $150) and tell them they can keep the change from a 500 Kroner note.

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    2. Re:Wrong Amount In Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, what? It's currently about 8 NOK to the US dollar. If you meant that your bill was "12 and a half" NOK, that'd be about one and a half US dollars. If you meant "twelve thousand, five hundred" NOK then your bill was more like US$1400.

      So you're off by a factor of either 10, or 100--which is it? :-)

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    3. Re:Wrong Amount In Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're interchanged in the UK and (former) colonies. Continental Europe uses them in the normal way (comma to separate decimals; full stop to separate thousands).

    4. Re:Wrong Amount In Summary by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      They don't know, they're too busy laughing at people using the dominant form of notation on their planet to actually add up their side of the joke and make sure they're not just being unprofessional at work.

      Wasn't Beavis from MTV Norwegian?

  7. Not 12€, 12523€ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As silly as it sounds, a lot of mainland Europe uses the decimal place where other countries would use a comma.

  8. Gee learn to read by aepervius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It was 12K euro not 12 euro.

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    1. Re:Gee learn to read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In which languange?

    2. Re:Gee learn to read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      12 Kelvin-euro? 12k€, surely ;)

    3. Re:Gee learn to read by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2

      12 Kelvin-euro?

      Economic growth is barely above absolute zero....

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    4. Re:Gee learn to read by Livius · · Score: 1

      Twelve kelvin-euro, now we're talking about some serious crime.

    5. Re:Gee learn to read by WallyL · · Score: 1

      Relatedly, interest rates are barely above absolute zero.

  9. not quite 12â... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the link says "in the value of 12.523,- EUR"

  10. 12k€ not 12€ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TFA says "12.523 EUR".

    Of course the fixation of (continental?) Europe to use decimal points as thousands separators is a bit stupid (saying that as someone from there).

    1. Re:12k€ not 12€ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TFA says "12.523 EUR".

      Of course the fixation of (continental?) Europe to use decimal points as thousands separators is a bit stupid (saying that as someone from there).

      What is 'stupid' about this? There is a 'wrong' and a 'right' way? Did not know that. Probably you also prefer the imperial system and writing the a date with month and day in the wrong - I meant right - order.

    2. Re: 12k€ not 12€ by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      The stupid part is the ambiguous separator.

      In some countries a space is the separator.

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    3. Re:12k€ not 12€ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TFA says "12.523 EUR".

      Of course the fixation of (continental?) Europe to use decimal points as thousands separators is a bit stupid (saying that as someone from there).

      But they aren't decimal points to us, we have the decimal comma, so why shouldn't we be free to use the '.' as the thousand separator? (Though I'm from where we use space instead)

      Could it be that Americans (USians) don't realize that the world is bigger than the US, and that everyone is doing it their way?

    4. Re: 12k€ not 12€ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. I totally agree. Different countries using different localisations, how stupid is that? You know what else is stupid? All those different languages. Man, wouldn't the world be much better if we had one single one-size-fits-all language and one single one-size-fits-all culture. All this diversity is stupid indeed! Monotony ftw!

    5. Re: 12k€ not 12€ by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2

      You might be interested in my new book, Learn Franglo-Sinaic-Hindpañesish. Lénga de la fùtven is-ji.

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    6. Re:12k€ not 12€ by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 5, Interesting

      TFA says "12.523 EUR".

      Of course the fixation of (continental?) Europe to use decimal points as thousands separators is a bit stupid (saying that as someone from there).

      Except that Europe doesn't use the decimal point as thousands separators, you use the period character. The traditional anglophone decimal separator is a mid-height dot, which I'd demonstrate for you, but it doesn't seem to be available in the default iOS keyboard. What happened is that it was missed off some mechanical typewriters and was left off the keyboards and character sets for most computers. Computer programmers cheated and used a period instead of a decimal point, and as publishing moved to digital formats, it was easier for people to use the period in place of the point. By the time Unicode finally introduced the decimal point into computing, it was already dead.

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    7. Re:12k€ not 12€ by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

      We'll stop using the comma when you stop celebrating the bombing of the world trade centre November 9/11/2001 instead of September when it actually happened.

    8. Re:12k€ not 12€ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, in typesetting it is recommended to use an unbreakable mid-size space instead. Unless your writing an accounting book or building a calculator program, in case of which the point might be just fine.

    9. Re:12k€ not 12€ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I celebrated that everyday until I found out the US government was the one that did it.

    10. Re:12k€ not 12€ by shawn2772 · · Score: 1

      What happened is that it was missed off some mechanical typewriters and was left off the keyboards and character sets for most computers. Computer programmers cheated and used a period instead of a decimal point, and as publishing moved to digital formats, it was easier for people to use the period in place of the point.

      That's only part of the story. Another important part is that the mid-dot (AKA interpunct) was being used in mathematics to symbolize multiplication. For example, is 12 <imagine mid-dot here> 523 equal to 12 + 523/1000 or 6276? For that reason the SI explicitly rejected the interpunct for a decimal mark. This lead Britain to standardize on the decimal point in the 1960s... long before publishing went digital in any significant way. The United States always used the decimal point. Contintental Europe largely followed France's lead in using the comma. SI says that either decimal point or comma may be used as the decimal mark, and specifies that a space should be used as the thousands separator.

    11. Re:12k€ not 12€ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? It is a lot clearer than abusing commas for that purpose. Even after decades of exposure to the English custom, it still looks wrong and confusing to me.

    12. Re:12k€ not 12€ by anon+mouse-cow-aard · · Score: 1

      ISO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601) says 2001-09-11 ... year first, then month, then day. Europeans complain about American date conventions, but then use their own idiosyncratic ones anyways. insensitive clods!

    13. Re:12k€ not 12€ by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I'll just keep using ISO dates, like programmers have been doing for the whole millennium.

    14. Re: 12k€ not 12€ by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Hmm... So, about this book... Go on? You can't just leave me hanging like that.

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    15. Re:12k€ not 12€ by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      We'll stop using the comma when you stop celebrating the bombing of the world trade centre November 9/11/2001 instead of September when it actually happened.

      I think there are some folks on a small island off the coast of France who don't use the comma as a decimal separator and who label 2001-09-11 as 11/9/2001.

      (But I suspect some folks in Europe might not consider the folks from that island Europeans.)

    16. Re:12k€ not 12€ by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I just wish someone had told my school teachers that -- we definitely were still using the interpunct until the end of primary, and I started high school in the early nineties! I'm pretty sure even my high school teachers preferred interpunct over period too...

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    17. Re:12k€ not 12€ by shawn2772 · · Score: 1

      Didn't that cause confusion in math classes? Or did they not use it for multiplication as well? Per wikipedia (which cites a Nature article), the Ministry of Technology made the point the official decimal mark in 1968, though the other candidate was the comma, not the interpunct.

    18. Re:12k€ not 12€ by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      I wasn't introduced to interpunct for multiplication until university. Multiplication in high school was either by juxtaposition (3y, yz etc) or by the multiplication cross symbol. All xs for unknowns were written in the italic style (two curves that meet tangetially) rather than crossing straight lines.

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  11. correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fraud is actually about €12000

    In many European countries they use comma instead of the decimal point, and dots for grouping digits, so 12.345,67 is in the tens of thousands not just over a dozen.

  12. 12 THOUSAND Euro not 12 by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

    new owners, same god aweful outright wrong summaries. 12 Thousand Euros not 12.

    1. Re:12 THOUSAND Euro not 12 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least now we know for sure they new owners are right wing nutjobs; who else could fail so magnificently at reading numbers?

    2. Re:12 THOUSAND Euro not 12 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Left wing nutjobs?

    3. Re:12 THOUSAND Euro not 12 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      At least now we know for sure they new owners are right wing nutjobs; who else could fail so magnificently at reading numbers?

      Americans? In Europe '.' is a thousand separator, the ',' character is a decimal separator, a billion is 10^12 not 10^09 and a trillion is 10^18 not 10^12 and I'm not trying to paint Americans as stupid, it's just a culture thing. Kind of like your misunderstanding about Hilary Clinton being 'left wing', the Nordic countries being 'Socialist' and the unshakable belief of your spelling/grammar Nazis that the American English grammar and the American way of spelling English is are the only correct ways.

    4. Re:12 THOUSAND Euro not 12 by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      The fact that he made the most wanted list for fraud of less than $14,000 USD is still pretty pathetic. You have to hit at least 6 figures to make the FBI's white collar most wanted list.

    5. Re:12 THOUSAND Euro not 12 by ffkom · · Score: 1

      The text of the story that I submitted specifically said 12 k€, see: http://slashdot.org/submission...

      I've got no idea why the "k" before the "€" mysteriously disappeared when the story was published.

    6. Re:12 THOUSAND Euro not 12 by loufoque · · Score: 1

      Americans gotta be American.
      I find it entertaining to watch how uneducated, narrow-minded and chauvinist American are.

    7. Re: 12 THOUSAND Euro not 12 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The worst part is that the submission said 12kâ. Timothy decided to try editing for once and this is what we got.

    8. Re:12 THOUSAND Euro not 12 by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I find it entertaining to watch how uneducated, narrow-minded and chauvinist American are.

      How humble, broad-minded and inclusive of you.

    9. Re:12 THOUSAND Euro not 12 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you actually think 12k of fraud and running from justice to avoid your prison term qualifies as "mere" and "questionable".

    10. Re:12 THOUSAND Euro not 12 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he also fled. So it isn't just because of 12k Euro debt, he was sentenced and fled to avoid incarceration, even the US that is enough to make it onto the list.

    11. Re:12 THOUSAND Euro not 12 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but it's slashdot... we are not here for the stories or even the summaries it's all about the comments ; )

  13. Worst than that by aepervius · · Score: 1

    I could pardon not knowing what decimal and thousand separator is. But there is what is written : "12.353," see 6the comma at the end ? The submitter did not even THINK why there would be a comma at the end. Even if I did not knew that , can be a thousand separator in some regions , if I see 12,000. $ it is quite obvious the . is a thousand (or hundred in some region !) separator and the comma a decimal separator.

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    1. Re:Worst than that by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You could pardon some random bloke down the pub not knowing, but if you're writing an article about it for all the world to see then it behoves you to do a bit of background reading.

      The (apparent) three decimal places should have made bell ring for anyone with a bit of intelligence.

      Now before somebody pastes the first thing they find on Google, I'm aware that there are (or were) currencies based on a thousand subunits. But neither the Euro nor any of its predecessors is among them.

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    2. Re:Worst than that by arth1 · · Score: 1

      The (apparent) three decimal places should have made bell ring for anyone with a bit of intelligence.

      You're falling into the same cultural trap as those you criticise. Some regions (including the most populous country on Earth) use groupings of four, and a grouping of three won't ring a bell.

      But nevertheless, one should always familiarize onerself with whatever is copied, and especially so if making presentational changes. And the original text also has a strong hint that at least older Americans should catch: the use of ,- at the end to denote no cents.

      If changing, I would change to ISO specs, where space and not comma or period is the separator, and is dropped for four digits.
      EUR 12 563 seems unambiguous to me.

    3. Re:Worst than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know the true irony here? You getting so high and mighty about how stupid the submitter was for not getting that right, when as has been shown elsewhere that the submitter did get it right as was shown in the original submission, and it was then edited to be wrong, which kind of makes you look like an idiot.

    4. Re:Worst than that by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You're falling into the same cultural trap

      Please. It's not Friday. Spare me the SJW crap.

      Some regions (including the most populous country on Earth) use groupings of four, and a grouping of three won't ring a bell.

      Groupings and decimals aren't the same thing. If it was a grouping of four it would have appeared as 1.2xyz and not 12.xyz.

      Also, last time I heard, China don't use the Euro.

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    5. Re:Worst than that by Zeroko · · Score: 1

      In Japanese, at least, while numbers written in words or spoken use groups of 4, numbers written using digits use groups of 3 separated by commas.

  14. looking up designer 'weather' on alphabet.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    phewww... https://www.youtube.com/results?sp=EgIIBQ%253D%253D&q=wmd+weather+media+censorship ... truth+mercy=justice.. in the moms we trust..

    1. Re:looking up designer 'weather' on alphabet.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally! a comment not about the number twelve!

    2. Re:looking up designer 'weather' on alphabet.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you see the 12 in the idiot summary let me tell you /. is total shit like you wouldn't believe........

    3. Re:looking up designer 'weather' on alphabet.com by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 1

      You know it's spam because it's not complaining about a typo.

  15. switched , and . at that last sentence. by aepervius · · Score: 1

    switched , and . at that last sentence. Mistyped.

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    1. Re:switched , and . at that last sentence. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Maybe they didn't have the ability to edit after they submitted, what then? Wait for Timmy to fix it?

  16. Wrong, it's 12523 € by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unlike in the US, most countries of Europe use a comma as the fractional digit divider. Why 12523 € places you on this list is another question.

    1. Re:Wrong, it's 12523 € by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      I suspect it's because he's been a fugitive from justice for 8 years.

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  17. Wanted for crimes against decimal points by Dynamoo · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I know some places use a "," instead of a decimal point. That's why it's a good idea if dealing with an international audience to use a space separator for thousands. But using a full-stop as a thousand separator and a comma for the decimal point is just whacky. Not as whacky as writing dates in MM-DD-YYYY format, but close. Perhaps one party really did think that the transaction was just twelve-and-a-half euro.

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    1. Re:Wanted for crimes against decimal points by Livius · · Score: 1

      The decimal marker is a more significant separation than the thousands marker, therefore it uses the bigger symbol.

    2. Re: Wanted for crimes against decimal points by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      In some cases a colon is used as a decimal separator.

      To me the date format YYYY-MM-DD is preferred.

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    3. Re: Wanted for crimes against decimal points by iTrawl · · Score: 1

      Colon is also used to indicate ratio, division, so using it as a decimal separator is probably not a good idea. The best we have now is to localise the separator to the language (maybe local variation thereof*) that is being used.

      *Some guy posted a link in a comment earlier that showed that Mexico use the decimal point. I guess that Spanish texts written in Mexico and Spanish texts written in Spain will confuse the heck out of the other nation's people. By now they'd probably invented a vim-like comment to indicate if the text uses tabs or spaces for indenting... I mean point vs comma.

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    4. Re:Wanted for crimes against decimal points by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      The comma may be physically bigger, but in usage it's smaller. Commas separate parts of a sentence. Sentences end in a period/stop/full stop/dot.

      So if you're being consistent with where else those symbols are used, the period is right.

      I can't believe I'm actually writing a comment on this. I mean, I seriously don't actually care. If I'd grown up with the other usage, I'd probably comment on the discrepancy between sentences and numbers but otherwise feel the comma as decimal is totally the right thing. Is there anything else of complete unimportance we can have an argument about? Personally I thought Abram's Star Trek was better than ST:TMP, but The Wrath of Kahn was way better than his sequel. Anyone care to put in a counter argument, preferably someone who both believes ST:TMP AND After Darkness were better than Star Trek and The Wrath of Kahn? I mean, at least that'd be more appropriate for this website.

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    5. Re:Wanted for crimes against decimal points by loufoque · · Score: 1

      Congrats, you just demonstrated that you know nothing about typography.

    6. Re:Wanted for crimes against decimal points by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Care to elaborate where I said anything about typography?

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  18. Period is the thousands seperator lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In many places in Europe the decimal place can be the thousands separator. In this case it is 12 THOUSAND and 523 euro and no euro cents.

    1. Re:Period is the thousands seperator lol by edittard · · Score: 1

      In many places in Europe the decimal place can be the thousands separator.

      No it can't. Decimal place isn't even a character.

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  19. That's nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But i am allot more worried about those in power (or close by proxy) who don't need to be fugitives.

    Is there a page for those who are tax fugitives? Or what's the euphemism they hide behind of currently? Optimization, optimizing? Some other Non-profit organization "plans"?

    The type of sociopaths clinging to government & EU tit for entrepreneurship aid while mouthing off on TV and financial websites agains't minimum wage increases above inflation of just the last year, god forbid if it were from last decade or 3 they would cry crocodile tears.

    If there ever was a much needed list it should be of the currently most corrupt.

    1. Re:That's nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Minor addition/Correction/addendum.

      That list should be of the actual persons (and companies attached to) and not some vague perception from society by country.

    2. Re: That's nice. by IBME · · Score: 0

      No shit. They are considered "terrorists". Some of them look fairly deranged and dangerous but the real crooks are not on the list. Fuck the EU and their lists.

  20. My god Timothy, you are stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    see subject.

  21. the burden of the attorney general by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    an individual who assumes responsibility to protect us citizens from any & all nefarious doings... &/or physical harm... deception... long list

  22. Timothy trolls us again... Genius! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Place error in summary
    2, Watch clicks and comments increase
    3. Ad revenue increases
    4. Profit!

    No ????????? step needed.

  23. Is this by CBravo · · Score: 1

    The new 'onion'?

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  24. Demofraphics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I will be shot down for this, but it's remarkable that nearly all listed criminals are from either eastern European or islamic background (origin is listed). There is a quite large Chinese population in Europe, one could wonder why they are underrepresented. Same goes for natives, such people from Belgium or Switzerland. Of the 50 listed, I can spot one or two Brits, one Frenchman and a Finnish girl. Lists such as this show why most western Europeans are against more 'refugee immigrants' and it's not just bigotry.

    1. Re:Demofraphics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The crime statistics I see from Denmark also indicate that immigrants from the middle east, and some eastern European countries are overrepresented.
      But not like this list where it is a factor 10:1.
      The reason might be that persons deeply rooted in a country are less likely to become a fugitive, than an immigrant.

    2. Re:Demofraphics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm. Wow. I think you may have just rediscovered the standard overlap between poverty and crime.

  25. 'most wanted' should set its priorities by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 1

    As many have pointed out; it's 12.523,- EUR, not 12,523 EUR.

    But that aside, it remains correct to doubt whether such a person should be considered 'the most wanted' on a list of Europol. By any standard, he shouldn't be on there, if one looks at it objectively. Alas, no doubt there was some political pressure or a behind-the-doors-deal or whatever, so he got on there - while persons or companies making a million+ fraud don't, apparently.

    It's a pity, because it undermines the very essence of a 'most wanted' list, namely a warning and look-out for the most dangerous and vile criminals. Nothing with mere fraud should be on there. Not because fraud isn't criminal, but, compared to things that ACTUALLY are life-threatening - say, terrorists killing dozens of civilians - you want to set your priorities right. After all, stealing some bread is also a criminal act: is one going to put that to on the 'most wanted' list? It's diluting the purpose for what it is meant.

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    1. Re:'most wanted' should set its priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As many have pointed out; it's 12.523,- EUR, not 12,523 EUR.

      But that aside, it remains correct to doubt whether such a person should be considered 'the most wanted' on a list of Europol. By any standard, he shouldn't be on there, if one looks at it objectively. Alas, no doubt there was some political pressure or a behind-the-doors-deal or whatever, so he got on there - while persons or companies making a million+ fraud don't, apparently.

      It's a pity, because it undermines the very essence of a 'most wanted' list, namely a warning and look-out for the most dangerous and vile criminals. Nothing with mere fraud should be on there. Not because fraud isn't criminal, but, compared to things that ACTUALLY are life-threatening - say, terrorists killing dozens of civilians - you want to set your priorities right. After all, stealing some bread is also a criminal act: is one going to put that to on the 'most wanted' list? It's diluting the purpose for what it is meant.

      Keep in mind that Europol is not a national entity like the FBI, it is a multi national agency and all the nations who are a member of it probably have a chance to get some of their top criminal(s) on the list. While the biggest criminals in the Netherlands, for example, is a guy wanted for counterfeiting and piracy of products kidnapping, illegal restraint and hostage- taking, murder, grievous bodily injury, the biggest criminal in Luxembourg may be a guy who cheated a couple of family cars off a car dealer (of course the biggest scoundrels in Luxembourg are bankers but the chance of one of them ending up on this list are next to none). Having said that, putting a guy who cheated ~12.000 Euro out of a furniture company in with a group of terrorists, drug dealers, human traffickers, rapists, murderers and paedophiles is odd. Surely the Czech police has bigger fish than him on the run somewhere in Europe. Then again, maybe the summary is overly brief and he may have cheated others? Police can be very economical about details concerning investigations.

    2. Re:'most wanted' should set its priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a two requirements to get listed, no matter what crime you have committed:

      * Police must know who are you. That is, if you commit a crime, but you do it so good that you are not suspicious, you can't get in the list.
      * You must escape. If you commit a fraud of 1000 millons, and you are at home while investigators are trying make a case. you can't get in the list.

      Who's there then?
      * Little and stupid criminals that have been caught by cameras.
      * Terrorists. And only those who have been identified, not that usual.
      * Serial murderers. And only those who have been identified, not that usual.

      I wonder how many criminals have been caught thanks to "most wanted". Very few I think. I think it's more a matter of propaganda than a real tool. If fact, I'm afraid that "most wanted" is an outdated idea.

      Nowadays police, to search criminals, doesn't depend that much on people calling. They scans mobiles, credit cards, bank movements, relatives, friends and lovers etc. Nowadays you can't disappear easily. If you are on the lam, you can't withdraw money from bank, you can't take a plane, you can't rent a house, you can't open a new bank account easily. Times when people could get a bunch of money in bills, move 500 Km and disappear, are over. If you do that nowadays, you'd be suspicious.

      And in Europe even more, you need and ID card in most countries to do almost everything (book in a motel, get credit card, get a drive license, buy a car or a house).

    3. Re:'most wanted' should set its priorities by ffkom · · Score: 1

      Just to set the record straight: The text of the story that I submitted specifically said 12 k€, see: http://slashdot.org/submission...

      I've got no idea why the "k" before the "€" mysteriously disappeared when the story was published.

    4. Re:'most wanted' should set its priorities by KGIII · · Score: 1

      This does not alter your statement/conclusion one bit but it is salient, so I'll add it. It's probably not the value, it is probably that they've been a fugitive from justice for eight years.

      However, it's hard telling. They have some Finn lady who committed fraud twice but it was some sort of fraud that was potentially gonna impact the EU. I have no idea what that means or how one gets that charge. Well, I have a couple of ideas about the charge but I haven't looked it up or anything. Some of these charges seem rather minimal. I guess they might be "the most wanted" but they're probably not necessarily "the most dangerous."

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    5. Re: 'most wanted' should set its priorities by IBME · · Score: 0

      It should have read 12GB â. Now that's universal.

  26. Dumb Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's Twelve Thousand!

  27. 12k Fraud gets you on europes most wanted list. by NoZart · · Score: 1

    Our criminals don't seem to be very ambitious XD

    1. Re:12k Fraud gets you on europes most wanted list. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your biggest criminals are the ones running the countries, EU, and the banks. Merkel, Draghi, Rothschilds, etc.

    2. Re:12k Fraud gets you on europes most wanted list. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Socialist societies rob people of motivation. It's pretty obvious.

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  28. Abysmal comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comparing Europol to the FBI, even just insinuating that, is simply wrong on too many levels to count.

    They really have nothing in common worth speaking of.

  29. Which region you mean ? by aepervius · · Score: 2

    That's a Europe region web page for an Europe audience in an Europe zone by Europole and therefore use convention that most of europe uses (e.g. decimal notation). Do you have any other extremely evidence question question ? Alternatively you go there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and count the countries in Europe which uses point as decimal separator. Hint : only UK , and SWISS (only for currency). In fact the majority of the world use comma as separator. Look at the picture.

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    1. Re:Which region you mean ? by iTrawl · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your point doesn't take one aspect into account: most of Europe doesn't use English as the primary language. The decimal point is pretty much an English language feature these days (although Mexico appear to use it too, in distinction from all the other countries that use Spanish, and China and India probably do so because of English language influence). Canada seems to do it right: decimal point when the text is in English, decimal comma when it's in French. Europol should be following this convention too, as the editors weren't the only ones confused.

      Too many times I have to second guess numbers written by non-English folks in English texts because of this variation, but it usually ends up like this: if there are three digits after the point, they made a mistake and meant "thousands separator". If there are two digits, they meant "decimal separator". Ditto for when the use the comma. What I hate about it is the "garden path" I have to take when parsing the numbers.

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  30. What about the immigrants ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How are they going to fit a million dirty moslem sex offenders names on that website ?

    They won't even fit !

    1. Re:What about the immigrants ? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Get with the times. As long as they don't steal money from a corporation, nobody gives a shit.

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    2. Re:What about the immigrants ? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      You beat me to it. If they are envious, all they need to do is fill in the names of all the 'refugees' that they've let into Cologne and those other German cities that had those record rape incidents on New Years Eve. That should keep them busy for a while.

      Of course, they do have to have the balls, in a manner of speaking, to tolerate Muslim names on those lists, which would bust that myth of the peaceful, suffering, innocent Mohammedans.

  31. how about updating the article? by yeupou · · Score: 1

    Since it's obvious that there was no conviction of 3 years in jail for 12 €, why not updating the article?

    1. Re:how about updating the article? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Timothy is on his third lunch break. Give him a few days.

    2. Re:how about updating the article? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Up...date? You can update articles now? When did that happen? On /.? Never. What is that "up date" you talk about?

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    3. Re:how about updating the article? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      This is just a wild guess, but I think this up-dating thing is probably the new name for re-posting the same story?

      Shake that second-breakfast out of your neckbeard and get to it, Timmy.

  32. All men by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    I noticed they were all men, except for one woman. Men are bad, real bad. I think we need to start rounding them up and monitoring them more closely. Except for me. I'll take care of the women. When you men start behaving better you can come back.

    1. Re:All men by loufoque · · Score: 1

      It's probably just positive discrimination letting women off, or some white knights taking the blame for women.

    2. Re:All men by zonk+the+purposeful · · Score: 1

      Maybe we should stop them coming in, until our lawmakers get a handle of the situation

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    3. Re:All men by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, could we PLEASE start a petition for equal treatment of the sexes when it comes to most wanted lists? I really would love to see SJWs explode in the dilemma of which side to be against.

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    4. Re:All men by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guys, is it even possible for you not to bring gender wars into everything?

    5. Re:All men by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Women still know their place in much of Europe and leave the risky things to the guys.

    6. Re:All men by Fragnet · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps it's that women are far more easily caught and men tend to find it easier to disappear.

    7. Re:All men by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, every thread must contain some comments by whiny little boy-men about how the feminazis and the SJWs ruined everything (and something about systemd). That's slashdot today.

  33. Submitted story DID say 12 k€! by ffkom · · Score: 2

    Sorry, but it is not me who cannot read: The text of the story that I submitted specifically said 12 k€, see: http://slashdot.org/submission...

    I've got no idea why the "k" before the "€" mysteriously disappeared when the story was published.

    1. Re:Submitted story DID say 12 k€! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ahh, good to see not much has changed in editorial quality since Slashdot's recent acquisition. Gotta keep the traditions alive!

      (and yes I know it's not realistic to expect much to change immediately after a change of ownership, but that doesn't mean we can't still be snarky about it)

    2. Re:Submitted story DID say 12 k€! by KGIII · · Score: 2

      It not only doesn't mean that you can't be snarky about it - it means you should. So far, I like the new group of masters. It's probably best that we break them in properly. I, um... I left the guy a few comments in replies to his comments in the thread about the sale. I even left a reply indicating that we'd be needing a picture of them naked and covered in chicken fried steak batter if they wanted any success. I mean, it's the only way...

      So, you have an obligation to be snarky. It's your/our duty. You don't go "putting on airs" for guests.

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  34. Europe is becoming a big shithole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Europe is becoming a big shithole

  35. Are the new owners of slash media on the list??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the only real reason it should be on here!!

    Oooo look a website how novel... Give that guy a raise!!

  36. Re:di3k by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    You know, it's hilarious that you still didn't notice how your link has been dead for ages.

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  37. Is merkel listed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is merkel listed?

  38. Bizzix improved on the Unicode filter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot strips trailing zeroes now:

    worth 12€

  39. You do not suffer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The financial abuse of being as poor in Europe as Americans do.

    Hence not so many broken people.

    You are free to political spin as much as you want.

    But the facts speak for all of our dead.

  40. This Timothy guy who edits the submissions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is not the brightest bulb around, is he?

  41. Glad to see Europe has its priorities straight by Duckman5 · · Score: 1
    Has anyone looked at the actual website? The fist six people are either looking at around 24 years or around 35 years.

    The people looking at sentences in the mid-twenty year range are all wanted for violent crimes (murder, attempted murder, terrorism) meanwhile the people looking at mid-thirty year sentences are wanted for drug trafficking and fraud. Seriously? You actually kill someone and you do less time than facilitating their high?

    I thought Europe was supposed to be a more progressive place since everyone is always making fun of the screwed up priorities here in the USA. I guess we've been working extra hard to export our stupidity along with the rest of our culture.

    1. Re: Glad to see Europe has its priorities straight by IBME · · Score: 0

      Nah, the guillotine was deemed politically incorrect.

  42. Apparently rape isn't a crime in Europe anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or there would be a bunch of wanted "refugees."

  43. Comma versus decimal point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry but you are out by a factor of 1000.

    None English speaking countries tend to use a , not a . as a decimal point marker.

    A space is use instead of a comma for thousands separater

  44. Re:di3k by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    Clever, but no.

    I'm not going to ask how you claim to know. I'm gonna pretend this happened in Vegas.

  45. False equivalency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't even have to kill anyone to get on the current "Most Wanted Fugitives" list. A mere fraud worth 12€ is currently enough to get you into this "Hall of questionable fame."

    Now, that's just because Europe is run by organized criminals who make sure any real crimes are either successful or punished by sending the perpetrator to sleep with the fishes.

  46. Re:di3k by Zeroko · · Score: 1

    I just tried what seemed to be the safest method of verifying the claim, & sure enough:

    Host goat.cx not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

  47. Re:di3k by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Hush! I was hoping he'd click his own link!

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  48. It does not matter by aepervius · · Score: 1

    The web page was maybe in english (because that's a language which can be shared in europe) but it STILL is directed at person of the Europe region which will expect their way of counting. Why the heck should they adopt the decimal point at the same time they use English ? That is a stupid argument sorry. The language and the numerical convention are separate. And in this case since it is an europe web page, it is expected to use the comma point convention as decimal separator because it is expected to be read by people using that convention.

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  49. Not only that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only do they have a most wanted, Peter "Columbo" Falk is on that list https://eumostwanted.eu/#/fazzalari-ernesto

  50. Xenophobic Europe... by unixisc · · Score: 1

    hungary - really? and austria, home of the proto-nazi? that's victor orban on one side and a minister of interiors who last week boasted that they had made one of the strongest immigration laws.

    sure, you could say that austria, germany and sweden took in by far the most refugees over the last year, but unfortunately, xenophobes are on the rise there as well.

    Yeah, xenophobic/islamophobic German girls who object to being groped, molested or raped. How intolerant and hateful of them not to hand over their cunts to those suffering refugees from the Eastern Mediterranean.

    Not to mention that Europe has a greater duty to take in Muslim refugees from Syria than Muslim countries around Syria, such as Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Kuwait or Emirates.

  51. Wow only 2 terrorists by joeboomer628 · · Score: 1

    The EU must be doing a great job of rounding up terrorists if only two of the ones left at large were bad enough to equal a less than100k fraudster.

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  52. Short vs. Long by tmh+-+The+Mad+Hacker · · Score: 1

    > where does the seven come in?
    1000^7 thousands.

    1000^7 thousands = septillion
    1000^6 thousands = sextillion
    1000^5 thousands = quintillion
    1000^4 thousands = quadrillion
    1000^3 thousands = trillion
    1000^2 thousands = billion
    1000^1 thousands = million
    1000^0 thousands = thousand

    One may argue over whether the short or long system (1000x & offset by 1) makes more sense, but they both have a logical relation.