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Europe Now Has Its Own "Most Wanted Fugitives" Web Page (eumostwanted.eu)
New submitter ffkom writes: European police organization Europol was probably jealous of the fame and popularity of the FBI's Most Wanted site, so they finally launched their own, European version. And if you want to know what a peaceful place Europe is, just consider this: You don't even have to kill anyone to get on the current "Most Wanted Fugitives" list. A mere fraud worth 12€ is currently enough to get you into this "Hall of questionable fame."
...but 12,563 euros. Some European countries use "." instead of ",".
Still not much in the grand scheme of things though!
The place where the editors don't know the "." is the thousands separator in several European languages. ;-P
It was 12K euro not 12 euro.
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new owners, same god aweful outright wrong summaries. 12 Thousand Euros not 12.
I could pardon not knowing what decimal and thousand separator is. But there is what is written : "12.353," see 6the comma at the end ? The submitter did not even THINK why there would be a comma at the end. Even if I did not knew that , can be a thousand separator in some regions , if I see 12,000. $ it is quite obvious the . is a thousand (or hundred in some region !) separator and the comma a decimal separator.
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switched , and . at that last sentence. Mistyped.
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Yeah, I know some places use a "," instead of a decimal point. That's why it's a good idea if dealing with an international audience to use a space separator for thousands. But using a full-stop as a thousand separator and a comma for the decimal point is just whacky. Not as whacky as writing dates in MM-DD-YYYY format, but close. Perhaps one party really did think that the transaction was just twelve-and-a-half euro.
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As many have pointed out; it's 12.523,- EUR, not 12,523 EUR.
But that aside, it remains correct to doubt whether such a person should be considered 'the most wanted' on a list of Europol. By any standard, he shouldn't be on there, if one looks at it objectively. Alas, no doubt there was some political pressure or a behind-the-doors-deal or whatever, so he got on there - while persons or companies making a million+ fraud don't, apparently.
It's a pity, because it undermines the very essence of a 'most wanted' list, namely a warning and look-out for the most dangerous and vile criminals. Nothing with mere fraud should be on there. Not because fraud isn't criminal, but, compared to things that ACTUALLY are life-threatening - say, terrorists killing dozens of civilians - you want to set your priorities right. After all, stealing some bread is also a criminal act: is one going to put that to on the 'most wanted' list? It's diluting the purpose for what it is meant.
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The stupid part is the ambiguous separator.
In some countries a space is the separator.
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Our criminals don't seem to be very ambitious XD
That's a Europe region web page for an Europe audience in an Europe zone by Europole and therefore use convention that most of europe uses (e.g. decimal notation). Do you have any other extremely evidence question question ? Alternatively you go there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and count the countries in Europe which uses point as decimal separator. Hint : only UK , and SWISS (only for currency). In fact the majority of the world use comma as separator. Look at the picture.
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No it can't. Decimal place isn't even a character.
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They do that in Norway too. It can generate a rather awkward moment and funny look when you are presented with a bill for 12,500 Kroner, (about $150) and tell them they can keep the change from a 500 Kroner note.
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Since it's obvious that there was no conviction of 3 years in jail for 12 €, why not updating the article?
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I noticed they were all men, except for one woman. Men are bad, real bad. I think we need to start rounding them up and monitoring them more closely. Except for me. I'll take care of the women. When you men start behaving better you can come back.
I suspect it's because he's been a fugitive from justice for 8 years.
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TFA says "12.523 EUR".
Of course the fixation of (continental?) Europe to use decimal points as thousands separators is a bit stupid (saying that as someone from there).
Except that Europe doesn't use the decimal point as thousands separators, you use the period character. The traditional anglophone decimal separator is a mid-height dot, which I'd demonstrate for you, but it doesn't seem to be available in the default iOS keyboard. What happened is that it was missed off some mechanical typewriters and was left off the keyboards and character sets for most computers. Computer programmers cheated and used a period instead of a decimal point, and as publishing moved to digital formats, it was easier for people to use the period in place of the point. By the time Unicode finally introduced the decimal point into computing, it was already dead.
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Sorry, but it is not me who cannot read: The text of the story that I submitted specifically said 12 k€, see: http://slashdot.org/submission...
I've got no idea why the "k" before the "€" mysteriously disappeared when the story was published.
We'll stop using the comma when you stop celebrating the bombing of the world trade centre November 9/11/2001 instead of September when it actually happened.
You know, it's hilarious that you still didn't notice how your link has been dead for ages.
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Get with the times. As long as they don't steal money from a corporation, nobody gives a shit.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I celebrated that everyday until I found out the US government was the one that did it.
The people looking at sentences in the mid-twenty year range are all wanted for violent crimes (murder, attempted murder, terrorism) meanwhile the people looking at mid-thirty year sentences are wanted for drug trafficking and fraud. Seriously? You actually kill someone and you do less time than facilitating their high?
I thought Europe was supposed to be a more progressive place since everyone is always making fun of the screwed up priorities here in the USA. I guess we've been working extra hard to export our stupidity along with the rest of our culture.
What happened is that it was missed off some mechanical typewriters and was left off the keyboards and character sets for most computers. Computer programmers cheated and used a period instead of a decimal point, and as publishing moved to digital formats, it was easier for people to use the period in place of the point.
That's only part of the story. Another important part is that the mid-dot (AKA interpunct) was being used in mathematics to symbolize multiplication. For example, is 12 <imagine mid-dot here> 523 equal to 12 + 523/1000 or 6276? For that reason the SI explicitly rejected the interpunct for a decimal mark. This lead Britain to standardize on the decimal point in the 1960s... long before publishing went digital in any significant way. The United States always used the decimal point. Contintental Europe largely followed France's lead in using the comma. SI says that either decimal point or comma may be used as the decimal mark, and specifies that a space should be used as the thousands separator.
ISO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601) says 2001-09-11 ... year first, then month, then day. Europeans complain about American date conventions, but then use their own idiosyncratic ones anyways. insensitive clods!
They don't know, they're too busy laughing at people using the dominant form of notation on their planet to actually add up their side of the joke and make sure they're not just being unprofessional at work.
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I'll just keep using ISO dates, like programmers have been doing for the whole millennium.
Clever, but no.
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I just tried what seemed to be the safest method of verifying the claim, & sure enough:
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Hush! I was hoping he'd click his own link!
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The web page was maybe in english (because that's a language which can be shared in europe) but it STILL is directed at person of the Europe region which will expect their way of counting. Why the heck should they adopt the decimal point at the same time they use English ? That is a stupid argument sorry. The language and the numerical convention are separate. And in this case since it is an europe web page, it is expected to use the comma point convention as decimal separator because it is expected to be read by people using that convention.
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We'll stop using the comma when you stop celebrating the bombing of the world trade centre November 9/11/2001 instead of September when it actually happened.
I think there are some folks on a small island off the coast of France who don't use the comma as a decimal separator and who label 2001-09-11 as 11/9/2001.
(But I suspect some folks in Europe might not consider the folks from that island Europeans.)
hungary - really? and austria, home of the proto-nazi? that's victor orban on one side and a minister of interiors who last week boasted that they had made one of the strongest immigration laws.
sure, you could say that austria, germany and sweden took in by far the most refugees over the last year, but unfortunately, xenophobes are on the rise there as well.
Yeah, xenophobic/islamophobic German girls who object to being groped, molested or raped. How intolerant and hateful of them not to hand over their cunts to those suffering refugees from the Eastern Mediterranean.
Not to mention that Europe has a greater duty to take in Muslim refugees from Syria than Muslim countries around Syria, such as Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Kuwait or Emirates.
You beat me to it. If they are envious, all they need to do is fill in the names of all the 'refugees' that they've let into Cologne and those other German cities that had those record rape incidents on New Years Eve. That should keep them busy for a while.
Of course, they do have to have the balls, in a manner of speaking, to tolerate Muslim names on those lists, which would bust that myth of the peaceful, suffering, innocent Mohammedans.
Interesting. I just wish someone had told my school teachers that -- we definitely were still using the interpunct until the end of primary, and I started high school in the early nineties! I'm pretty sure even my high school teachers preferred interpunct over period too...
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Didn't that cause confusion in math classes? Or did they not use it for multiplication as well? Per wikipedia (which cites a Nature article), the Ministry of Technology made the point the official decimal mark in 1968, though the other candidate was the comma, not the interpunct.
The EU must be doing a great job of rounding up terrorists if only two of the ones left at large were bad enough to equal a less than100k fraudster.
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I wasn't introduced to interpunct for multiplication until university. Multiplication in high school was either by juxtaposition (3y, yz etc) or by the multiplication cross symbol. All xs for unknowns were written in the italic style (two curves that meet tangetially) rather than crossing straight lines.
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> where does the seven come in?
1000^7 thousands.
1000^7 thousands = septillion
1000^6 thousands = sextillion
1000^5 thousands = quintillion
1000^4 thousands = quadrillion
1000^3 thousands = trillion
1000^2 thousands = billion
1000^1 thousands = million
1000^0 thousands = thousand
One may argue over whether the short or long system (1000x & offset by 1) makes more sense, but they both have a logical relation.