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US Gov't Confirms Clinton Emails Contained Top-Secret Information (thenextweb.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Just days before candidates begin primary season with caucuses in Iowa and New Hampshire, the Obama administration confirmed for the first time that Hillary Clinton's emails did contain sensitive information. The Associated Press reports that seven of these email chains, are being withheld from the press because they contain information deemed to be "top secret" and that 37 pages included messages described by intelligence officials as "special access programs" — meaning, highly restricted and closely guarded government secrets.
She already confirmed they didn't.
If you actually bothered to look into the DETAILS, usually it's right-wing spin. Often it's gray areas where if you don't like her, you won't give her the benefit of the doubt and vice-versa. Politics biases people.
As far as the "Bosnian sniper" issue, it's possible she mixed up two different events in her mind. I've done it also. Human memory is an odd thing. Fortunately I'm a nobody such that my mistakes don't mean much on the world stage.
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I'm not voting for her in the primaries, and she probably did fuck up w/operational security big-time. I don't think it was with malice
Doesn't matter. Carelessness with Secret information is a federal felony. These "Special Access" documents are "above Top Secret", and likely contained names of covert sources - that is, when this server was hacked by foreign intelligence services, this carelessness caused deaths. That's why it's a felony.
But there is evidence of malice - there is an email instructing a subordinate to strip off the classified header from a document and "send it insecure".
There are important issues like who does and doesn't get massive financial support from wall street to complain about.
Off topic, but Hillary's top lifetime donors have been investment banks and our friends the cable companies. That is the legal donors. The FBI is also investigating Hillary for illegal contributions to the Clinton fund.
We'll know the truth of all of this when it goes to trial, or we'll know we're in a banana republic if it doesn't. In either case, this isn't some trivial issue - people likely died behind this.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Unfortunately it's not how it works - if the evidence is classified it's hard to release it.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
To me the problem isn't so much the legality - regulations can be a huge pain and how can you remember them all while trying to conduct diplomacy in a complex world? What bothers me is the lack of judgement. Even if she tried to keep classified stuff off the server and did a pretty good job - she's the Secreatary of State. Nearly everything that is emailed to her is something an enemy might be interested in. She agrees to go to lunch with Joe from accounting again? Joe seems to have her ear he would be a great guy to gain influence over to get him to influence her policies and gain information.
I often don't like the choices people make, but I like the fact that people make choices. That's why I'm a conservative.
The people voting for her don't care.
The problem with democracy is that you can't keep people from voting badly.
Because an authoritarian president plus corrupt police forces and intelligence agencies is a recipe for success.
You do realize that she had to have known, right? Any program she had access to, she would have had to have been briefed on. The information is classified even if it's not marked as such...everyone who's ever worked with classified will tell you that. So, for example, if you create a document, email, etc., that has classified information, you're supposed to mark it properly.
So, for the sake of discussion, let's say she didn't know, even though she's said...
“I did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail. There is no classified material. I’m certainly well-aware of the classification requirements and did not send classified material.”
Then that could only mean a few things...1) she slept through the program briefing, 2) she didn't read the emails, 3) she read the mail, and didn't understand that it was classified...meaning her above statement shows clear lack of understanding, or 4) she's lying about the whole thing to cover her ass. Are there really any other possibilities beyond it being "a vast right wing conspiracy"?
One other detail...even if she never sent, and only received these items, as soon as she became aware that she had classified material, she would have been required to report it, and turn it over...immediately.
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Until the details come out of who sent them, when they were classified, and who should have known it was problem material, there is not much use in speculating at this point.
Also note that the "regular" office server she allegedly should have been using was NOT designed for classified info either. The same issue would still exist: classified stuff winding up on the wrong equipment. Whether anybody would then still know or care in that case is another matter.
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I wish news organizations would press her harder with followup questions. I was listening to a NPR (my main source of news) doing a question and answer with Hillary.
NPR: Did you send or receive classified e-mails?
Hillary: I did not receive or send e-mails marked classified.
NPR should have followed up with: Did you discuss with anyone over your private unsecured e-mails system anything that should have been classified? (To have done that would would have been illegal)
During this Q&A with Hillary, she laughed and said that one of the e-mails that is now being classified was of someone sending her a New York Times article. How could it be classified if it was in the newspaper?
(I spent a year in Iraq supporting the US Army. At one point, a co-worker gave a google earth picture to me (by hand) of area around us. He pointed out that the picture originally was not classified because it came from google earth. But then he pointed out that he had made some markings on the picture and now it was classified.)
NPR should have followed up with Hillary: In this e-mail did the person have classified knowledge about the subject of the newspaper article, and did he make comments about the article. (As in my example above, if someone with classified knowledge made any comments about the article and sent it over a non secure e-mail system, it would be illegal)
(disclaimer: I am a Bernie Sanders supporter)
Okay, let's forgive the Bosnian sniper for the sake of discussion.
I'm sure this was intended as just a cute family fairy tale...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10...
As was this...
http://www.politifact.com/trut...
And this was just a bit of hyperbole
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
And we know she was just kidding with
http://www.politifact.com/trut...
I'm sure she just forgot when she said
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/08/...
I could go on for many more lines, but it's late.
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This is yet another irrational attack by the Republicans.
The statement came from the Obama State Dept. Which Republicans are you referring to there?
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Unfortunately it's not how it works - if the evidence is classified it's hard to release it.
So we're just supposed to trust these Republicans when they claim she did something wrong? That isn't how things work in the US. You are innocent until proven guilty. There is no evidence against her, or the Repubicans would have already released it.
It's her old office (you know, the Obama State Dept.) that is slow rolling out the emails. But only because they were forced to. Otherwise we probably wouldn't have seen any of this for decades.
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Treason has specific legal meaning...What she did was criminal, but doesn't come close to treason.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...
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Well, it's not the Republicans investigating, it's the FBI, and Director Comey is one of the most non-partisan guys around (he threatened to resign if Bush continued his domestic spying program).
If you actually bothered to look into the DETAILS, usually it's right-wing spin.
I have heard her say, with her own voice, "There was no classified information on my e-mail server".
So, now we know for sure there was...
She is lying... That isn't spin, that is a fact.
Why yes, it is! And it is highly rewarded by the general public at large, for thousands of years.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
... what evidence of malice?
The e-mail from Clinton telling a subordinate to strip off classified headers and "send it insecure".
That malice.
Who got killed as a direct result of these emails being sent?
No one has to die for it to be an offense that sends you to prison.
Hilary clinton and most of the politicians in the USA, democrat or Republican they are all crooked.
I don't get the sense that either Bernie Sanders nor Donald Trump are crooked politicians. Trump isn't one (even if he is a walking ego trip) and Sanders strikes me as different.
Ron Paul is probably the same, but he has no chance so it doesn't matter.
Correct. She "did not receive or send e-mails marked classified" because she directed her aides to strip all the markings and send it via non-secure means.
There's at least three different networks: "NIPR" for unclassified, general internet usage; "SIPR" for stuff classified up to Secret, and "JWICS" for some (but not all) TS/SCI. It is very difficult to electronically (e.g. send email) from one network to another and usually requires a second reader (who is outside the organization) to scour and approve/deny the shift. However, there is very little that can be done to prevent someone from manually typing information to circumvent the system.
Saying that women have always been the primary victims of war is pretty damn insulting to those men and boys maimed and killed in wars they were forced to fight in.
And Bill routinely chose literally any woman other than Hillary. Shouldn't the voters feel the same way?
The impeachment (and subsequent acquittal) of her husband was clearly part of a smear campaign. It is of no interest to anyone but Bill's wife into whose mouth he puts his cock. The e-mail scandal, on the other hand, is a big problem.
I don't know what is " turbo-liberal" about Planned Parenthood: it's an organization that provides health services. Some people disagree with some of those services on religious grounds. The resulting debate is given far too much importance on the National political stage. In reality, the issue is used as a tool to divide the electorate and everyone seems to fall for it.
I don't much like Hilary, but I like less silly ad hominem like saying "incontrovertible proof of mental illness", which just lower the standard of discourse and contribute nothing.
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If I did this. I really, really don't understand how she did this, pretended it didn't matter. I held a clearance and my expectation is that I'd be making plans for my family to live without me for a bunch of years.
Yes.
What? Look at the Chinese economy and tell me that it ain't so!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Nope. The US population will pay for it. Dearly. In ways you couldn't imagine possible yet.
But it would sure be hilarious to watch this from across the pond. It's like our very own reality TV show, with over 200 million participants and a show host we already know from a few other reality shows.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
You really think she can use a computer, do you?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
There's no evidence (released) that it was classified AT THE TIME of her receiving it. Most if not all were retroactively classified.
That really isn't how it works...
If a document contains obvious state secrets, such as designs for modern nuclear weapons, yet it lacks any "classified markings", it isn't suddenly declassified.
The content makes it classified, not the markings.
Someone in Clinton's position should be able to know what sorts of things are classified and what are not. You might draw some gray areas when it comes to things that would fall under "Secret".
You'd have a harder time with Top Secret.
It is beyond absurd to suggest that Clinton, someone who has been in Government for 30 years, who spent 8 years in the White House, wouldn't know Special Access Program material when she saw it.
Such material doesn't have to be "marked", it is classified due to its nature and content.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
This is not run-of-the-mill stuff, It is "need to know" type info of the most sensitive nature.
If somehow Clinton DIDN'T know what it was, then she's simply not qualified to be Commander in Chief due to incompetence. If she DID know, then she has committed a very serious felony and broken her non-disclosure agreement with the US government.
Either way, she isn't eligible to be US President.
"I did not have sex..." , wait, that's the wrong Clinton.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
Just ask those that remember Nazi Germany.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
The US has had an all-volunteer military for over 40 years.
http://www.army.mil/article/10...
You are welcome on my lawn.
Look up the word, "volunteer".
http://www.army.mil/article/10...
You are welcome on my lawn.
Because no ex post facto law means that since the emails were not classified and were on a government owned server for unclassified emails and documents at the time means that Clinton isn't guilty of squat, any more than the entire US government is guilty because they owned the servers that these "classified" documents resided
You're doing it wrong here in a number of ways.
First off, Hillary had a privately owned server. She owned it, not the government.
Secondly, using a privately owned server to do Official Government Business is a crime even if the work is unclassified. (It violates the Freedom of Information Act, which says that the people have the right to demand records from the government so they can check for corruption.)
Also, the documents were classified when they were sent. The State Department is lying to protect Clinton when they tell you otherwise.
They were not classified when she dealt with them. Why do you post false information?
Chelsea Clinton apparently is already laying the ground work for her own political career... with an eye to being president one day. Its all quite delightful.
The Bush Dynasty is also burning. Watching Jeb fail to get anywhere is delicious.
We've had enough of Clintons' and Bushs'. Let someone else run. If the democrats really can do no better than Bill Clinton's wife then apparently they have not taken the office seriously. More is the pity.
And really, Hillary could have perhaps had it if she had so much as taken her gimme job of Sec State seriously. But she did not. She went home early while her diplomats died. She was told to not permit old Sidney access to the State Department and she did it anyway. And the email server... and the lies... so many lies.
We'll see where this goes... The FBI is furious at the lack of prosecution... obstruction from the "Justice" Department is going to have long term consequences if it is understood that the law bends in the favor of any party in power.
Really... we're getting nearer and nearer the moment where we just rip each other's eyes out of our heads from spite. And all because some people have a hard time with democracy.
Oh well... We shall see where this goes. Regardless... I shall enjoy the fires.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Saying that women have always been the primary victims of war is pretty damn insulting to those men and boys maimed and killed in wars they were forced to fight in.
OTOH, the leaders who sent them were generally all male as well. However, this argument presumes that female leaders wouldn't have done the same.
If you don't want the Times, fine. How about CNN?
I'm sure I'm not the first to say this on this article...why the fudge isn't Hillary in jail? Average Joe Citizen does anything even remotely like this and he'd be disappeared in a hurry...
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