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US Gov't Confirms Clinton Emails Contained Top-Secret Information (thenextweb.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Just days before candidates begin primary season with caucuses in Iowa and New Hampshire, the Obama administration confirmed for the first time that Hillary Clinton's emails did contain sensitive information. The Associated Press reports that seven of these email chains, are being withheld from the press because they contain information deemed to be "top secret" and that 37 pages included messages described by intelligence officials as "special access programs" — meaning, highly restricted and closely guarded government secrets.
She already confirmed they didn't.
"The American People are sick and tired of hearing about [her] damn emails."
I'm not voting for her in the primaries, and she probably did fuck up w/operational security big-time. I don't think it was with malice-- I'm sure it is not anything beyond the usual hyprocritical fuckery from high up national security and diplomatic executives (didn't Clapper or someone just get their email hacked by a high schooler? guess so).
The real scandal in this arena is her simultaneous misinformed condemnation of Snowden, not this email "bombshell" three days before the first caucus. Seriously, who gives a shit? There are important issues like who does and doesn't get massive financial support from wall street to complain about.
and politicians never lie?
I swear, Clinton lives in her own little reality. Her husband was impeached. She was caught lying soooooo many times. People generally don't like and distrust her. She got caught in like a dozen scandals. Now she's in the middle of possible federal charges and she's running for president! In fact, she got endorsed by Planned Parenthood and even their turbo-liberal base started lashing out at her and them. On what planet does she think she's going to win the election? The fact that she's still running is incontrovertible proof of mental illness and I don't think that's a great qualification for president of the USA.
Hillary for Prison 2016!
And vote for Donald Trump! :-)
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Funny, I missed the part where Obama became a Republican?
Unfortunately it's not how it works - if the evidence is classified it's hard to release it.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
The people voting for her don't care.
The problem with democracy is that you can't keep people from voting badly.
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Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
You do realize that she had to have known, right? Any program she had access to, she would have had to have been briefed on. The information is classified even if it's not marked as such...everyone who's ever worked with classified will tell you that. So, for example, if you create a document, email, etc., that has classified information, you're supposed to mark it properly.
So, for the sake of discussion, let's say she didn't know, even though she's said...
“I did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail. There is no classified material. I’m certainly well-aware of the classification requirements and did not send classified material.”
Then that could only mean a few things...1) she slept through the program briefing, 2) she didn't read the emails, 3) she read the mail, and didn't understand that it was classified...meaning her above statement shows clear lack of understanding, or 4) she's lying about the whole thing to cover her ass. Are there really any other possibilities beyond it being "a vast right wing conspiracy"?
One other detail...even if she never sent, and only received these items, as soon as she became aware that she had classified material, she would have been required to report it, and turn it over...immediately.
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Until the details come out of who sent them, when they were classified, and who should have known it was problem material, there is not much use in speculating at this point.
Also note that the "regular" office server she allegedly should have been using was NOT designed for classified info either. The same issue would still exist: classified stuff winding up on the wrong equipment. Whether anybody would then still know or care in that case is another matter.
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I wish news organizations would press her harder with followup questions. I was listening to a NPR (my main source of news) doing a question and answer with Hillary.
NPR: Did you send or receive classified e-mails?
Hillary: I did not receive or send e-mails marked classified.
NPR should have followed up with: Did you discuss with anyone over your private unsecured e-mails system anything that should have been classified? (To have done that would would have been illegal)
During this Q&A with Hillary, she laughed and said that one of the e-mails that is now being classified was of someone sending her a New York Times article. How could it be classified if it was in the newspaper?
(I spent a year in Iraq supporting the US Army. At one point, a co-worker gave a google earth picture to me (by hand) of area around us. He pointed out that the picture originally was not classified because it came from google earth. But then he pointed out that he had made some markings on the picture and now it was classified.)
NPR should have followed up with Hillary: In this e-mail did the person have classified knowledge about the subject of the newspaper article, and did he make comments about the article. (As in my example above, if someone with classified knowledge made any comments about the article and sent it over a non secure e-mail system, it would be illegal)
(disclaimer: I am a Bernie Sanders supporter)
here's what i'm gathering from all this: the government has not secured its email system. if you are sending sensitive information outside of intranets you control, you have lost control of the information. so the question is, why will their email system send any information anywhere if it handles highly sensitive information? why aren't they using an encrypted email system? why does their security rely on the users? why is their system so damn insecure?!
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
... and still be elected, and people care about Hillary Clinton's emails? Isn't this political system a bit messed up??
We are all cows who have no future. Moo.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
You just changed it to something else.
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This is yet another irrational attack by the Republicans.
The statement came from the Obama State Dept. Which Republicans are you referring to there?
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Unfortunately it's not how it works - if the evidence is classified it's hard to release it.
So we're just supposed to trust these Republicans when they claim she did something wrong? That isn't how things work in the US. You are innocent until proven guilty. There is no evidence against her, or the Repubicans would have already released it.
It's her old office (you know, the Obama State Dept.) that is slow rolling out the emails. But only because they were forced to. Otherwise we probably wouldn't have seen any of this for decades.
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They have nothing. If they did, they would have released already.
Hillary? Is that you?
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Clearly, you're one of her campaign workers or we wouldn't be seeing so many AC posts coming to her defense.
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Nobody cares!
We do care Hillary.
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Treason has specific legal meaning...What she did was criminal, but doesn't come close to treason.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...
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And I really don't care. Gov servers had coded back doors being exploited this whole time. So pick your poison
Come on Hillary, if you didn't care, you wouldn't post.
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Well, it's not the Republicans investigating, it's the FBI, and Director Comey is one of the most non-partisan guys around (he threatened to resign if Bush continued his domestic spying program).
Correct. She "did not receive or send e-mails marked classified" because she directed her aides to strip all the markings and send it via non-secure means.
Which is controlled by the Republicans.
The State Department is controlled by Republicans? Put down the bong, step away from the keyboard, and let the grownups talk.
If they wanted to minimize the blow to her, they would roll it out in one big swoop. That way it would be a story for a few days and then be over (aside from the occasional snarky comment). Rolling it out slowly means that it will pop up many times during her presidential campaign. If anything it looks like her old office really, really wants her to fail.
The truth may be out there, but lies are inside your head
She had a home email server and knew how to use it. We should elect this uber geek. It'll be a win for tech circles everywhere!
And Bill routinely chose literally any woman other than Hillary. Shouldn't the voters feel the same way?
Maybe. Slow rolling is a good term for it - when damaging information comes out in dribs and drabs like this usually it means whoever is doing the leaking is trying to keep it in the headlines. From what I can tell they gave her enough rope to hang herself on this one, making sure she had an opportunity to try to lie her way out of it and then releasing proof she's lying.
At this point Obama pretty much has to support an indictment. He'll look crooked otherwise.
A lot of you seem to have completely lost your morals, and it's frankly disgusting.
If Hillary Clinton is actually found guilty of something, then yes she should be held accountable. We can throw her in jail, right after Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and any one else involved in what happened at Gitmo and elsewhere. Until all those assholes are behind bars, you can all shut the fuck up. Compared to torturing people who may not have done anything wrong (after all, they never had a trial), I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THIS STORY.
Because no ex post facto law means that since the emails were not classified and were on a government owned server for unclassified emails and documents at the time means that Clinton isn't guilty of squat, any more than the entire US government is guilty because they owned the servers that these "classified" documents resided that was meant for only unclassified material.
I merely see this as karma for what the Clinton campaign (with the willing and likely leading help of the mainstream media who don't want to see billions in political ads and the billions in viewer ratings to drop when money is taken out of politics) did to scupper and silence Bernie Sanders.
That still doesn't make Clinton a criminal on this issue, though.
He has been doing everything they tell him to the past seven years, so yes he is.
He's been doing anything ANYBODY tells him for the past seven years.
That gives me an idea.... [runs off to write a letter]
If I did this. I really, really don't understand how she did this, pretended it didn't matter. I held a clearance and my expectation is that I'd be making plans for my family to live without me for a bunch of years.
And her husband didn't have sex with that intern.
I'm pretty sure she's, just like him, technically saying the truth, depending on some definition of "there being some".
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Wait, you think only one side of The Party has the liars? C'mon.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
After years and years of various three-letter-agencies playing that game you should finally get used to it!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Does that suddenly matter? They're replaceable figureheads, don't act like it matters which one says what.
It's also by no means limited to that side of The Party, the one called Democrats is at least as filled with muppets.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Oh I dunno. This time we're getting close to not need him if we don't want to vote for the lesser evil.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
You really think she can use a computer, do you?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
In this story there's enough straws to build an army of strawmen.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
"I did not have sex..." , wait, that's the wrong Clinton.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
Assuming the FBI is a Republican tool.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
The main problem is that in this fucked up political system you don't vote for someone or something, you vote against someone or something. If one of the possible candidates and his or her position is so unthinkable that you cannot stomach the idea of it becoming reality, it doesn't matter what the alternative is. It could be a mass rapist and murderer and you'd still have to vote for this option.
Just ponder how much Trump has to alienate voters who consider themselves, as you put it, "enlightened and sophisticated" that they think this bitch is the BETTER alternative.
Sorry: The less horrible one.
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A GOP witch hunt orchestrated by the democrats? In case you failed to read the article, it is about Obama making the claim not republicans.
Well, I'm expecting the head of the FBI to resign if the DOJ doesn't press charges.
Om, nomnomnom...
And if so, who is it?
This. She had an obligation to report any mishandled classified information sent to her. In the case of the SAP material, she would have known that was only available from a private network. It is pretty clear that she (and many of her staff) just didn't give a fuck.
(1) The first sentence of the article straight up says she denies doing what you've accused her of.
(2) The article explains that it is completely normal to remove the classified parts of a document in order to declassify the rest of it. As someone who has held several clearances I did this on a regular basis as part of my job in order to get debug logs of classified computers out to support engineers at the manufacturer.
(3) The Washington Times is owned by the Moonies - they are not a reputable news organization. You've put your trust in them because they confirm your biases, not because they do trustworthy reporting.
Hilly started her public career coming out of college and working (I believe as an intern) on the commission investigating Watergate, yet nobody (as far as I'm aware) has drawn the obvious parallel to her release of 50000 emails (which we all know have been pre-culled; the "top secret" emails being mentioned here are the ones that slipped through that process) and the release of Nixon's Watergate tapes with 18 minutes missing.
-Styopa
I assume you are a Hillary supporter, or at least a Democrat.
What about her, aside from the "it's time" novelty of her gender, do you feel is so great about her? Clinton presidency terms 3 and 4? Is hanging off her popular husband's coat tails a worthy example of a woman grasping for power, especially when devoid of any real political personality (viz Sanders, Trump, Christie, wanna have a boring personality faceoff vs. Cruz maybe?)
She's even boring under the usual politician model of being skilled at getting supporters to project they'll fulfill your political fantasies. Except for one thing.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
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You are welcome on my lawn.
I'm sure I'm missing something but why do they actually have to find TS emails? It might not be illegal but it should be: if you have a reasonable expectation that you'll be receiving classified materials you should be responsible for ensuring you are prepared for securing them. She did the equivalent of having a PO box at a local FedEx and telling people to send her documents there. That alone should be illegal.
Somebody sent to me an on-line order confirmation including your name, e-mail address, billing address, date of birth, social security number and credit card number with 3-digit security code.
I forwarded it to Slashdot.org, a public forum.
I cannot be indicted for conspiracy to commit identity theft because It was not ``marked as private information at the time'' and there is no direct evidence that anyone has used it for any unauthorized purchases.
Yeah, right.
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this is an attempt to get her emails so they can leak 'em during a court hearing and create another scandal. The Republicans knew some of the docs would be reclassified to prevent that and then they could cry out "See!See!". It's a win-win either way, or to quote a fark-wit: truly this is Hilary's Benghazi.
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Fuck off troll.
They were not classified when she dealt with them. Why do you post false information?
Chelsea Clinton apparently is already laying the ground work for her own political career... with an eye to being president one day. Its all quite delightful.
The Bush Dynasty is also burning. Watching Jeb fail to get anywhere is delicious.
We've had enough of Clintons' and Bushs'. Let someone else run. If the democrats really can do no better than Bill Clinton's wife then apparently they have not taken the office seriously. More is the pity.
And really, Hillary could have perhaps had it if she had so much as taken her gimme job of Sec State seriously. But she did not. She went home early while her diplomats died. She was told to not permit old Sidney access to the State Department and she did it anyway. And the email server... and the lies... so many lies.
We'll see where this goes... The FBI is furious at the lack of prosecution... obstruction from the "Justice" Department is going to have long term consequences if it is understood that the law bends in the favor of any party in power.
Really... we're getting nearer and nearer the moment where we just rip each other's eyes out of our heads from spite. And all because some people have a hard time with democracy.
Oh well... We shall see where this goes. Regardless... I shall enjoy the fires.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
unless she wanted to run as an independent ala Ralph Nader.
She has to be at or near the top of the list of potential VP choices for Sanders, however....
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None of the information was labeled as classified or classified when she received it. It later became classified. Prior to being classified, she could have put it on TV for all the world to see without breaking any rules or laws. Further, most of the information was distributed throughout the department so that hundreds of employees read the so-called classified information. It seems that people like the CIA and the military posted the information and forgot to control or label its release. Her enemies are trying to create another false issue just as they did with Obama's birth certificates. The right wing is ultra dangerous and are trying to overthrow the US government.
The Republicans court the Christian Right by claiming to support the Christian cause. Despite years where they held all three houses, abortion is still legal in the USA.
It is the whole package
Benghazi
Her "Charitable" foundation
Her questionable financial supporters
Her claims of doing the people's interest when she is obviously a right wing (republican?)
(I have always insisted that the left wing exists only to do the right wings dirty work)
Her obvious lying, She is a proven bull shit artist of collossal magnatude
Then you add the email crap which (whether or not it was treasonous) was a complete security violation.
Do not distract yourself arguing single components of top secret communications, look at the big picture and the mentality/attitude behind it.
Is this who you want steering the ship?
Rick B.
If you don't want the Times, fine. How about CNN?
I'm sorry, but very few, if any, of Hillary's supporters were not already Hillary supporters when Trump entered the race. Which means, they thought Hillary was a GOOD choice to be President before there were any other candidates.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
The impeachment (and subsequent acquittal) of her husband was clearly part of a smear campaign. It is of no interest to anyone but Bill's wife into whose mouth he puts his cock.
(1) The impeachment was over lying to a judge in court while under oath. That it always illegal. It doesn't matter the topic.
(2) He was not acquitted. As part of the plea bargain he agreed to various terms including the surrendering of his license to practice law.
It's her old office (you know, the Obama State Dept.) that is slow rolling out the emails. But only because they were forced to. Otherwise we probably wouldn't have seen any of this for decades.
They should have done it like the Bush administration -- they routed their emails through a private email server controlled by Karl Rove so they could all be deleted once an investigation started.
Obama, what a rookie.
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They seem to be engaged in journalism.
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Times staffers collect 21 local journalism awards
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Isn't that what Huma Abedin was for? Two women scorned, working together for a common goals, global domination, and emasculation of the opposite sex.
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They were not classified when she dealt with them.
Why do you post false information?
A document isn't classified because it's mark as such. It's classified because of the material it contains. Please ask anyone who's ever dealt with it...you clearly haven't. I have.
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I have no doubt that Rove should have done time for his actions. I don't play sides when it comes to this shit.
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Hillary gave a press release somewhere (I can't find the link) shortly after that revelation where she said that cleaning the emails of their classified parts so that the unclassified portions could be distributed was a common practice, and her aide knew exactly what she meant. Her "remove heading" wording was merely shorthand, according to her, and that the aide was a fastidious person when it came to knowing how to clean per guidelines.
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They were not classified when she dealt with them.
Why do you post false information?
Your lie has been debunked at least a thousand times on slashdot. Why do you keep reposting it?
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Trump's hair is an insult to "straight white Christian males". His overall appearance is an insult. Every time I look at the clown, I want to either puke, or laugh. He doesn't have to say a damned word to insult me - he exists, and that is insult enough.
All the same, his blathering makes more sense than that of any other nominee.
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As much as I dislike Hillary (and the Clintons, in general), and with the experience I have with classified materials... *If* the information was classified long after the fact, I'm finding it hard to fault her (and this pains me to say). If it was classified at the time it was recorded, however, she should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, as *anyone* read into a Secret, Top Secret, or any SCI (or higher) classification signs an NDA with the US Government, with serious consequences. Just look at Snowden, who has no political ties. Same consequences should apply if she knowingly let at-the-time classified data be stored on systems that weren't cleared for it...
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While I don't entirely agree with all of your conclusions, you do paint a fascinating "what if" picture.
Well done sir.
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I am at a loss, since it said in one report she received Top Secret emails. IF they were classified as Top Secret, then they would have to be on the SIPRNET, which cannot email NIPRNET or the Internet. So if that is the case, HOW did the emails get to her own server on the internet? If she was sending, and they were classified as Top Secret, who did she send to the SIPRNET? Not condoning her actions or anything else supporting or bashing her. I am merely curious how this connection worked, since they are defied as to NOT be connected.
Please, none of the emails were classified at the time they were sent. These "charges" are all just political noise by people who'd rather see the Republicans running against Bernie Sanders.
I'm sure I'm not the first to say this on this article...why the fudge isn't Hillary in jail? Average Joe Citizen does anything even remotely like this and he'd be disappeared in a hurry...
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