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Magic Leap Raises $794 Million To Accelerate Adoption of Secretive AR Tech (roadtovr.com)

An anonymous reader writes: A massive new $794 million Series C investment in secretive AR startup Magic Leap puts the company among the world's most valuable startups, now reportedly valued at $4.5 billion. The company has aggressively teased what they believe to be revolutionary augmented reality display technology, allowing a mixture of the real and virtual dimensions in a way previously not achieved. Although they've played coy to the public, offering little more than bold claims, investors like Alibaba, Google Ventures, and Qualcomm Ventures have bought into the company's vision to the tune of $1.39 billion in total raised by Magic Leap thus far. Also at Network World, which notes that their demo must be amazing.

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  1. well, it is a Leap year by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    might as well be Magic, too.

  2. Nothing new by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Magic Leap projects a digital light field into the observer's eyes,

    The japanese have been there, done that

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    1. Re:Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While few people have knowledge about what this company's product actually does apart from what they tout publically, i think this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwCwtBxZM7g) is closer to what they do than a retinal projector (the link you provided)

  3. Nostradamus time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    There's another financial crisis coming soon, and it's going to make 2008 (and the dot-com bubble burst) look like a small hiccup in comparison. Senseless transfers of billions of fiat dollars around companies like this and various shitty social networks that have never made a single cent in profit are a sign of that.

    1. Re:Nostradamus time by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well - give them some more money. . I want one or more of these. I don't care if they go broke or the economy collapse. Just imagine the porn - err I mean possibilities.

    2. Re:Nostradamus time by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think it will be that bad, but yeah I think there will likely be a simultaneous collapse of both real estate bubble 2.0 AND tech bubble 2.0. Neither of these bubbles are as big as the ones that preceded them though, so we'll probably see a simple recession.

      And because people like to blame the president for recessions (even though it's never actually been the president that caused it,) whoever wins the next election will be a recession president, and unless there's a significant turnaround in that time, they'll be a one term wonder.

    3. Re:Nostradamus time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's incredibly optimistic of you to think we'll only have to deal with said president one term. We had to deal with bush and obama 8 years a peice, when neither was all that great in the first place.

      I suppose if Trump some how wins, we may only have him for four years, but I imagine anyone else that wins will likely get two terms.

    4. Re:Nostradamus time by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      That's incredibly optimistic of you to think we'll only have to deal with said president one term. We had to deal with bush and obama 8 years a peice, when neither was all that great in the first place.

      Well I recall about early 2003 when the Democrats were on the campaign trail prior to the party elections, they kept throwing around "3 million jobs lost" seemingly every other minute, and said it was all Bush's fault. That made no sense to me though because of two things: The first tech bubble was during Clinton, and was in the middle of crashing just as Bush took office. Then shortly after that, 9/11 happened, which made things worse.

      However the economy turned around by 2004, and those 3 million jobs AND SOME, had returned. That wasn't because of Bush however, it was just our old friend the business cycle. But nonetheless, when the economy isn't doing shitty, presidents tend to (but not always) get reelected.

    5. Re:Nostradamus time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was badly aggravated by two very expensive wars, both of which we've very effectively lost. Saddam and Osama are gone, but both Afghanistan and Iraq are both once again pouring political poison into that entire Middle East.

    6. Re:Nostradamus time by Comen · · Score: 1

      What "shitty social networks" are you referring too?
      It is normal for money to be invested in VR and AR companies, no one knows what company will be at the forefront of the tech when it completely matures, but everyone knows that some company will be leader and that company will be seeing a ton of growth.
      AR has a ton of potential for many different uses, but I think beyond the optics we are still years away at being able to create the software needed to merge our surroundings with software that can really understand what it is seeing and display back critical information about what it sees. VR should see thing happen faster with things like games that can already today be pretty amazing and will only get better.
      But there is no doubt it is coming and quick, so people will invest now.

    7. Re: Nostradamus time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to be an ass, but both of which Clinton precipitated through inept and weak foreign policy. Bin Laden saw how weak we were internationally and took a well timed shot, just a few months too late, and Clinton had 8 fucking years to stop getting Amerricans shot at over the no fly zones in Iraq.

    8. Re:Nostradamus time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was badly aggravated by two very expensive wars, both of which we've very effectively lost. Saddam and Osama are gone, but both Afghanistan and Iraq are both once again pouring political poison into that entire Middle East.

      Those wars amounted to an economic stimulus package that helped bring the economy out of the doldrums post dot-com bust and 9/11.

    9. Re:Nostradamus time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AR has a ton of potential for many different uses

      Especially porn. Do not underestimate the power of porn.

  4. Secret sauce patent application by JesseEnjaian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think funding numbers can be deceptive about the engineering accomplishments of a tech because I'm sure that money gets returned if the ten people running Magic Leap blow through $1-2m without results. Here's the patent (490 pages...): http://pimg-faiw.uspto.gov/fdd... For $4.5b, I'd pirate the heck out of that patent.

    1. Re:Secret sauce patent application by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      the ten people running Magic Leap

      So, pretty much you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You can just come right out and say it, if it will make you feel better.

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    2. Re:Secret sauce patent application by zlives · · Score: 1

      is there any real info?

    3. Re:Secret sauce patent application by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      If you're paying attention to the industry and the hires, you know that there are a LOT more than "ten people running Magic Leap." That notion doesn't even pass the smell test.

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    4. Re:Secret sauce patent application by asdfman2000 · · Score: 1

      is there any real info?

      If you're paying attention to the industry and the hires, you know that there are a LOT more than "ten people running Magic Leap." That notion doesn't even pass the smell test.

      So your answer is no, you don't know anything different.

      Your condescending response that is the equivalent of "educate yourself" is less than worthless, seeing as that is exactly what he/she was trying to do by asking you this question.

    5. Re:Secret sauce patent application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For $4.5b, I'd pirate the heck out of that patent.

      Pirate the AR tech, you say? Arrr matey!

    6. Re:Secret sauce patent application by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      No, I'm replying to someone's ASSERTION that there are "ten people" running a company with $4B in market cap. Anyone who needs education before understanding that that's preposterous on the face of it cannot be helped by Googling things for them.

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  5. Advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not entirely sure I want my advertising to be both virtual, and beamed directly onto my retina.

    This is the future, sadly. I can easily visualize a world where most of my interactions are with completely artificial virtual entities that only exist in my head, thanks to tech that beams shit effortlessly onto my retina, just as easily as your ear buds do the same for your ears.

    Signs that are otherwise blank, showing personalized virtual adds as you direct your gaze at them. Cars that have huds, phones with true 3d holograms etc etc.

    I'm not sure I'm going to enjoy the transition or not, but I won't be able to prevent it, and I'm sure there's both good and bad that can come from it.

    Hopefully the good will outweigh the bad.

  6. Demo... by Arkh89 · · Score: 4, Informative

    They have released this demo : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw0-JRa9n94 which looks pretty decent. You can find some artifacts (mainly the occlusion of the little robot which could be better). The depth of field looks pretty cool in the second part and the resolution seems decent (at least for the 1080p camera and for the few frame it is actually in focus, might not be perfect for the eye though).
    I have no idea on the volume/weight of the device though.

    1. Re:Demo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like exactly what the Hololens should have been. The Hololens is a huge let-down because the field-of-projection is a very small subset of the visual field, which totally destroys the immersion. There is also the problem of the images not being sufficiently opaque, so too much of the real world bleeds in to the "holograms" (unless they are in a dim room or against a white wall).

      Here is to hoping these problems are fixed with magic leap.

  7. Vaporware and a guess about the secret. by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    This think is varporware connected to a highthroughput press-release ink jet.

    Even apple can't keep it's secret sauce secret. Why? because at some point they have to make the thing and tell developers how to work with it. So it leaks out the supply channels. the Magic-vape folks ought to have that problem if this existed. and they also ought to have the problem from investor briefings. but not a peep. So one suspects it's non-existent investor bait similar to the rigged demos of cold fusiion.

    Now judging from the words like enhanced sensors my guess is they are tackling the tough problem of 3D vision. most of these things go after a single method of 3D cueing and drop the others. But real human perception requires multiple cues to work. You want stereo vision but you also need the focal plane to change as the eye changes focus. If you look at their demo it looks like that might be happening. You also need to have it align correctly with shifting head angles, pupilary distance, glance angle. 3D doesn't look right if your point of focus is different than the distance to the object or it doesn' change as you glance. this why you get a headache. additionally you want to barf if there's too much lag as you move your eyes or head. you can't tell if that's there from the mono-vision you tube but they definitiely had some defocusing out of the focal plane going on it looked like.

    hence I think what they are pedaling is what you would get if you had an infinite budget for sensors, refresh rate and processing power. Which means this may not be affordable and by the time it is Occulus will not only get there too but already have a cash flow revenue system in place built on the cheapo art of the possible.

    or so I'm guessing.

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    1. Re:Vaporware and a guess about the secret. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They might be screwing with saccades. I wonder if the sweep angle is correlated with distance to the focal plane.

    2. Re:Vaporware and a guess about the secret. by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

      You want stereo vision but you also need the focal plane to change as the eye changes focus.

      Fortunately, there's a cheap and easy solution to this: age. By the time you're 50, it's extremely unlikely that you'll have enough focal accommodation to matter.

      This means I'd be totally ready for VR, if not for my extreme susceptibility to lag-induced motion sickness.

  8. They are all missing a trick by MarkH · · Score: 1

    Billions in vr. Where is feedback loop? Touch, smell, pressure. Without that just a bunch of folk staring out of spacecraft and waving arms in nothing.

    1. Re:They are all missing a trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Current researchers seem well informed on the limitations of VR technology and do seem to be working on solutions.

      There was a really good keynote recently by Michael Abrash that gives a good overview on the work left to do for VR. He talks about current limitations with vision, but also talks about taste, smell, hearing, haptics and the vestibular system. Beyond this type of feedback you mention he goes on to talk about world perception / sense (e.g.: real time 3D space capture and presentation to viewers) and then interaction.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYwKZDpsjgg

      This is just another level of immersion, another step on the path. Like the Wii controller it is something new to get people physically engaged and it is something that I think will engage people who traditionally aren't interested in gaming with. I have technologically ... challenged ... family members who have even heard of the Rift and wanted to know what it's all about.

    2. Re: They are all missing a trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Touch smell and pressure your mind can create itself, with the right suggestions, if you believe what your eyes are telling you about the new universe you're in.

  9. My guess as to what it REALLY is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An updated Segway!

    That was the last time I remember some (non-Apple) super secret tech project getting this much attention.

  10. Amazing? by LeonPierre · · Score: 1

    Absolutely nothing amazes me.

    Unless their VR defies physics, it's just another piece of tech that no one has made, but surely someone has imagined at some point.

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    1. Re:Amazing? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Rainbows End, by Vernon Vinge

      Doubt it is the first but it's certainly well fleshed-out with what this tech would be capable of when it works.

      Hint: You think furries and bronies are annoying now...

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  11. What I've been suggesting by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Combine a mass spectrometer and a projector that can bounce an image off objects in the room that puts the focal point of the light in front of or possibly behind the object, (my math isn't all that good, but I think I know enough that indicates part of what I'm saying is possible) and you may have something better than what we have now, without glasses and more than one person at a time can see it.

    1. Re:What I've been suggesting by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Combine a mass spectrometer and a projector that can bounce an image off objects in the room that puts the focal point of the light in front of or possibly behind the object

      What's the mass spectrometer for?

      I don't see how you can change where the focal point of the light is if you're just bouncing it off whatever happens to be in the room. You're just lightning an object.

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    2. Re:What I've been suggesting by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      The mass spectrometer is to determine precisely what all the things in the room will do when various things like electrons and light at various frequencies are lobbed at them. I don't know if more than one projector will be necessary to get light to bend in such a way that an arbitrary image will come into focus onto the retina. There are plenty of "Mirascopes" or "3D Mirror Scope Illusion Creators" that use this effect.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Read a few of the links on the Wikipedia entry and you might be able to grasp how you can change where the focal point of the light is. The links I followed were a little light on math, though. Then there's Pepper's Ghost.

  12. Arkansas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only person who doesn't know WTF "AR tech" is? Arkansas Tech?

    1. Re:Arkansas? by Translation+Error · · Score: 1

      Something to do with Accounts Receivable, I think.

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  13. AR = Augmented Reality by kinko · · Score: 2

    the summary and/or editor's blurb should have made it clear that in this context AR = Augmented Reality.

  14. Might as well spend it by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    these crazy market caps are a symptom of income inequality. There's only so much for the 1% to spend their money on, so we're seeing some pretty big boondogles. Not sure yet if this is one or not but it looks like it. Not because the tech isn't real but because I don't think Joe & Jane average care about AR any more than they did about 3D TVs.

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    1. Re:Might as well spend it by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

      When its full promise is realized AR will be huge. All we have now is gimmicks but AR can draw a line on the ground to point you to your car; draw a circle around your child in the store; track your fallen contact lens; translate menus; show you the right size to chop your onion; alert you to a drunk driver ahead of you; teach you how to change your oil; display the names of people you're looking at; let you practice karate with virtual opponents; plan furniture movement and purchases; and on and on and on. In terms of actual utility they're way ahead of volumetric displays.

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    2. Re:Might as well spend it by monkeyxpress · · Score: 2

      I think AR will have a lot of uses, but in a marginal sort of way. Consider the rise of 3D CAD/CAM. We now have very complex organically shaped cars of exceptional build quality and safety, but fundamentally they don't make it any faster/easier to get around a city compared with their 1980s boxy counterparts. I can see AR being very useful for some professions, but it is not going to suddenly make people 50% more productive.

      The real quality of life improvements for the 99% would come from investing in the last 20% of automation for things like food production, construction, plumbing etc. The sorts of things that 99%ers still toil away to produce or get a slice of. But while we have our current economic model, there is little incentive for the wealth holders to invest in that sort of productive tech vs shiny consumerist gimmick, because eliminating jobs just forces down the cost of labour to compete with your new robot, which reduces the marginal return on further automation. That is the problem with having an economy where the goal is full employment, and where you pitch capital against labour. It is essentially why we aren't all working 3 day weeks at the moment.

    3. Re:Might as well spend it by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Since we're talking science fiction, how about the very real threat that it will be used to create virtual prison hellscapes for opponents of the government? That it will be possible to torture people without leaving physical evidence? That the media will create entirely convincing lies about reality and the news?

      The future is not all flowers and rainbows.

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    4. Re: Might as well spend it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bernie will fix income inequality and make sure there isn't any offensive investment or economic activity taking place.

    5. Re:Might as well spend it by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

      The things I spoke of are visual effects. The things you spoke of require physical intervention and/or are unrelated to this type of technology. We already have AR menu translation and a prototype for the name thing by the way. Wake up and smell the future.

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  15. I smell another segway wah wah wah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vaporware. . . no, holoware. . . er, realiware?

  16. Holodeck by kbsoftware · · Score: 1

    At $4.5 billion and what seems to be a continuing insanity of investing in this company the only way this bubble does not burst and those companies that have foolishly invested to this point don't feel a bit of a sting is if this company has invented the holodeck.

  17. The Game by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

    They just have to create a tech demo that emulates "The Game" from STNG.

    1. Re:The Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck that, they need to emulate the guest star.

  18. Phase manipulation? by Cyberax · · Score: 2

    How are they going to do phase manipulation? It's needed to achieve a true depth field - essentially you need to create a hologram to fool eyes. Google Glass doesn't need it since it shows everything in one plane and Microsoft's AR technology simply makes this plane moveable. That's why this movie shot through a camera is extremely misleading - they should have shown what happens when camera drastically changes focus.

    I checked their patent but they simply threw everything possible against a wall, hoping something will stick - like doing multiple layers with lenses between them, directly stimulating retina cells, using phased MEMS and so on. No clue how it can really work.

    1. Re:Phase manipulation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwCwtBxZM7g) is IMO very likely to be the basis of their tech. It's basically the same principle used in lightfield cameras but in reverse. The problem is in their demos the resolution seems to be a hell of a lot better than what a lightfield screen can do.

  19. Hope they make it very secure by dothasmurfysmurf · · Score: 1

    If it's a device beaming coherent light i.e. from a laser diode, I hope they make it EXTREMELY secure. How much fun would it be to be wearing these and suddenly have it hacked by someone perhaps overriding safety limits and blinding you, or creating a permanent spot in the corner of your vision advertising penis pills, similar to burn in on a CRT or AMOLED?