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All 12 Member Countries Sign Off On the TPP (freezenet.ca)

Dangerous_Minds writes: News is surfacing that the TPP has officially been signed by all 12 member countries. This marks the beginning of the final step towards ratification. Freezenet has a quick rundown of what copyright provisions are contained in the agreement, including traffic shaping, site blocking, enforcement of copyright when infringement is "imminent," and a government mandate for ISPs to install backdoors for the purpose of tracking copyright infringement on the Internet.

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  1. It's official, you all live in a Dictatorship by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now any corporation can sure your country, but you can't vote on the selling out of your rights to foreign corporations.

    Are you happy yet?

    Days like this I wish I'd never helped create the Internet or the tools you use, or let it escape from academia.

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    1. Re:It's official, you all live in a Dictatorship by wardrich86 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pff, 1%ers don't surf the regular web. I call shens. Shouldn't you be on like... Billiondollardot or something? haha

  2. Frist! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't forget, we're putting covers on our TPP reports before we send them out now.

  3. Selling our sovereignty to corporations by Sebby · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The TPP (or as I've seen it referred to - the "Tyrant Protection Plan") is nothing but a sham, no part of it has anything to do with 'trade', and all of it having to do with corporations ensuring their profits, at the cost of those countries' citizens.

    Why else would they be permitted to sue countries/governments over alleged threats to their 'perceived potential profits' due to new laws (such as environment protections laws that might forbid those companies from operating under these new laws) passed by said countries.

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    1. Re:Selling our sovereignty to corporations by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      no part of it has anything to do with 'trade', and all of it having to do with corporations ensuring their profits, at the cost of those countries' citizens

      That's what "trade" means these days, didn't you get the memo?

      This whole TPP is basically the foundation of an international corporate bill of rights, which places the demands of corporations into law around the world.

      Pushed by the US government, who are conveniently on the payroll and dedicated to advancing those corporate interests.

      This "treaty" is pretty much the global oligarchy tightening the noose. Entrenching copyright, imaginary property, and making sure to be able to fight governments ability to pass laws is the entire fucking point.

      Citizens? This isn't to benefit us ... unless you mean corporate citizens.

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    2. Re:Selling our sovereignty to corporations by Sebby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Time they read this.

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  4. Re:The Republicans are destroying our lives by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Right, because an international agreement negotiated by a Democratic administration is some hope to be blamed on the Republican party.

    Pull your head out of your ass. The Establishment is the problem, If you are remotely considering voting for HRC or Rubio, THIS IS YOUR FAULT.

    Vote Sanders, or Vote Cruz as you like but do not allow HRC or Rubio to get nominated!

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  5. Signed, not Ratified... by Striek · · Score: 5, Informative

    It hasn't been ratified though. There are significant benefits to being an original signatory on any international treaty, and every member country is afraid of being left in the dust if they don't. There are provisions requiring signatories to ratify certain provisions, but it has not been ratified yet, only signed, and there is a big difference.

    The TPP might actually be a net financial gain for the United States - unfortunately, at the expense of other countries involved. A number of provisions in it give an unfair advantage to the US, because they have demanded that these provisions be put in.

    Michael Geist is doing a very good review of all the problems with the TPP, and has been posting daily about it for about a month now. It's a rather Canadian perspective on it, but a good read nonetheless.

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    1. Re:Signed, not Ratified... by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The TPP might actually be a net financial gain for the United States

      ...at the cost of a net civil rights loss for United States Citizens. And that's the fucking problem! The whole goddamn thing is an omnibus bill of all the freedom-destroying shit the oligarchs and lobbyists can't jam through Congress halfway-legitimately.

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  6. Trans-Pacific Partnership by Verdatum · · Score: 4, Informative

    Would it have been that hard to expand that initialism? I've got far too many TLAs floating around in my head to be able to figure out what context you are talking about. The inability to introduce a topic properly within a slashdot summary irks me more than all the other stuff people always moan about here.

  7. ISDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Investor-state dispute settlements here we come

    According to The Nation's interpretation of leaked documents in 2012, countries would be required to conform their domestic laws and regulations to the TPP Agreement, which includes provisions on government spending in certain areas
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership#Investor.E2.80.93state_arbitration_.28ISDS.29

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  8. + job losses everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The latest economics study on the TPP suggests it will "cause some job losses and exacerbate income inequality in each of the dozen participating nations, but especially in the largest — the United States"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/business/international/economists-sharply-split-over-trade-deal-effects.html

  9. Re:The Republicans are destroying our lives by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, only Malaysia has ratified.

    It is a silly headline. The 12 countries that agreed to have their negotiators, whose only authority is to negotiate the text, sign what they negotiated. This is not an approval step in any of these countries, or intended to be. It is just a signing ceremony. The news was months ago when they agreed to a text; countries that didn't agree then were not on the list they're using here. They make it sound like all the countries that negotiated signed. Not true at all. The countries that came to a deal, signed the deal as the first step towards referring it to their respective national processes.

    Republicans in the US House have suggested that the only chance they'll have enough votes is if they pass it during the "lame duck" session after this year's Nov election. I agree that is their one chance, but I think they might have a hard time selling it to voters this year and if it is a major election issue then it won't pass the Senate. Elected Republicans mostly like it, but most Republican voters don't.

  10. Re:The Republicans are destroying our lives by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ^^This, a million fucking times this!

    Corporatism knows no party, and cares for none but one driving ideology: profit.

    The sooner you partisan asshats get that through your skulls, the better off we'll all be.

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  11. NOTE TO MODERATORS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Moderators, please note that many of the comments in this thread are a troll replying to himself to make it appear like a conversation. It's one jackass who posts this type of spam on a regular basis, replying to himself as AC. And, of course, he never says anything of substance, just one line nonsense.

    Here's one example: http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8657315&cid=51359929 (posting about how Republicans want people to die)
    Another example: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8685139cid=51400945 (making BS claims about Facebook tolerating and promoting gun violence)
    Yet another: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8700601&cid=51428235 (Claiming that Republicans are always tracking and spying on everyone)

    There are others. It's almost certainly one assclown who ought to be banned or at least modded into oblivion. I'm hoping the new owners get rid of some of the shit like this. I don't really mind real trolls that post on-topic stuff. Some of it's actually pretty damn funny. Even some of the old -1 logged-in posters like cyborg_monkey were entertaining. Besides, they didn't waste mod points because they were already at -1 and you could easily avoid reading them. But I'd like to see really stupid nonsense like this go away. As one user said, real trolls would either make us laugh or piss us off; this guy does neither and is just a waste.

  12. Oh please let it pass. by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to Michael Geist, TPP requires implementation of a DMCA-style take-down notice system, while eliminating the good faith belief requirement. Oh please oh please let it pass. YouTube? I'm sorry, it infringes. All of it. Vevo? Infringing. Take it down. Redtube? Infringing. Take it down. If TPP is implemented, it is our duty to see to it that no automated take-down system in any of the 12 countries will work anymore. And it will be legal.

    Finally all those spam botnets will have a productive use.

  13. Re:The Republicans are destroying our lives by Bartles · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cruz does not support TPP. He does support TPA. Get your facts straight.

  14. Re: The Republicans are destroying our lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hillary being "against" it is hilarious because you have to remember that this thing has been going on long enough that she literally was involved in negotiating it. Her hands are already all over the TPP. The only reason she's "against" it is because Bernie is against it. Once Bernie loses the nomination (and he will, democracy doesn't mean shit to the DNC), she'll forget all about being "against" the TPP.

  15. Re:The Republicans are destroying our lives by Gavagai80 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Clinton and Sanders are both against the TPP. Not sure why you're spewing anti-Hillary stuff here.

    Clinton was in favor of the TPP until recently when she realized she has to be against it to win the primary. There's every reason to think she'd be for it again if elected.

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  16. Re:The Republicans are destroying our lives by HiThere · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, but Hillary was one of the authors of the TPP. And in the debate she didn't say she wouldn't support it when asked, she just waffled.

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