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Wired To Block Ad-Blocking Users, Offer Subscription (wired.com)

AmiMoJo writes: In a blog post Wired has announced that it will begin to block users who block ads on its site: "On an average day, more than 20 percent of the traffic to WIRED.com comes from a reader who is blocking our ads. We know that you come to our site primarily to read our content, but it's important to be clear that advertising is how we keep WIRED going," wrote the editors. The post goes on to offer two options for users blocking ads: whitelist wired.com or subscribe for $1/week.

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  1. Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bye then!

    1. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yep. Funny how suddenly, after years of abusing ads for profit, sites are now trying to act like innocent victims just trying to keep the lights on. Time to sleep in the bed you spent the last 20 years making.

    2. Re: Ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is selling ads "abusing" them?

      How is using *my* electricity, risking *my* computer's integrity, distracting *my* attention for *your* profit not abusing *my* resources?

    3. Re: Ok. by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh bullshit, they didn't sell any ads, they signed up to an abusive tracking filled ad network that did all of the work for them.

      If I start a convenience store and can figure out a way to stay afloat selling Snickers and M&Ms, then hooray for me, but please don't call me a confectioner.

      If they want to sell ads, actually sell the space like they did in their print version 20 years ago, and host them first party, and we'd have a hell of a time blocking them in the first place.

    4. Re: Ok. by epyT-R · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1. ads went from small simple banners to huge flash/js animated annoyances to javascript powered spyware.
      2. ad networks don't care about malware, making adblock a necessity, not just for sanity but for security.
      3. ads cover most of the screenspace these days, making sites illegible.

      Web 2.0 really did make this bed. Now it can sleep in it.

    5. Re: Ok. by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh bullshit, they didn't sell any ads, they signed up to an abusive tracking filled ad network that did all of the work for them.

      If I start a convenience store and can figure out a way to stay afloat selling Snickers and M&Ms, then hooray for me, but please don't call me a confectioner.

      I'm sorry, that's a totally lousy analogy. Here's a better analogy for you:

      I have a convenience store, and in order to make a healthy profit, I find a company that makes candy and *pays me* to give it away at my store. Unfortunately, a certain percentage of this free candy is laced with arsenic or cyanide or ricin. I know about this, but I don't care because I'm getting money from the candy-maker to give away this poisoned candy to my customers.

    6. Re: Ok. by zieroh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How is selling ads "abusing" them? The whole damn point of the enterprise is to make some jingle. You want free content? Go watch cat videos on youtube. You want something edited, well, someone's got to pay the writers and editors.

      Wired ads are among the most abusive and intrusive I have encountered at a mainstream site on the internet. I like their content, and I'd happily accept ads to read their content. I will not, however, accept that I have to be repeatedly assaulted with slowly-unfolding video popups, excessive DOM manipulation, extensive tracking, and other acts of advertising abuse.

      I will go so far as to say that it was Wired that made me finally install an ad blocker to begin with. They are that bad.

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    7. Re: Ok. by Mal-2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So they can host the ads locally and vet them for malware. They'll fly right past adblockers. Browsing without an adblocker is like fucking without a condom. You should only do it with someone you really, really trust.

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    8. Re: Ok. by HangingChad · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How is selling ads "abusing" them?

      I serve up ads on my website and adblock has never been a problem. The images come from my domain and I write ads inline with the copy and make them relevant to the posted topics. Not only does adblock not stop them, they're far more effective being embedded and relevant to the content.

      So, what I hear sites like Boomberg and Wired saying is we want to dish out obnoxious ads from third party advertising networks. They want to outsource advertising income and don't want to work at it themselves. They can't be bothered to make advertising deals for products and services relevant to what their readers want.

      This discussion isn't about ads, it's about dictating the terms on which those ads are delivered.

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    9. Re: Ok. by Coren22 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Browsing without an adblocker is like fucking without a condom. You should only do it with someone you really, really trust.

      I'm gonna use that as my signature, hope you don't mind.

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    10. Re: Ok. by david_thornley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I now do have a way of paying Wired, if I like. I don't know if I used to.

      You need to consider what's involved in paying for things. I'm happy to let people display some images on my screen so they get paid for it and support the site. However, accepting advertising nowadays means having people running arbitrary programs on my machine, including malware, with no accountability. If it were a transaction where I knew what I'd be getting, I'd consider it. For example, if I liked Wired a lot, I'd pay the subscription money. If somebody would be responsible for any damage caused, I'd consider it.

      Right now, running arbitrary advertising is a bad idea for the economy as a whole. The expected value for the gain for the site is much smaller than the expected value for the loss incurred by the user, which means that unchecked ads are destructive, net. If this causes problems for the websites, well, I'm sorry, but I'm the one taking all the risk here, and your website is probably not worth enough to me to justify the risk.

      I feel entitled to send HTTP requests to websites. Except in the very few cases where I've got an agreement, I'm not entitled to any particular reply, so if the reply is the HTTP equivalent of "Die in a fire!" I accept that and move on.

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    11. Re: Ok. by KermodeBear · · Score: 4, Informative

      When I reach the "10 Article Limit" on a site I just clear my cookies and continue reading.

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    12. Re: Ok. by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly right, we do not have to go to their sites. Wired can go bankrupt if they want without any of our help.

      I use adblock because you are never told up front how much it will cost you to support their ads, they don't tell you how much or your bandwidth they will borrow, they don't tell you if they have malware or not, because all you know is that someone said "here's an interesting link that you should read about this important topic". I never agreed to get their malware. I never agreed that in order to read 20 lines of text that I must also accept 20 megabytes of animated ads or that my fast broadband on my fast computer will take a very long time downloading it and executing the scripts.

      I am sure that theoretically there are good players out there. But I HAVE to use adblock for my own safety and to protect my internet service from abuse. I see Wired maybe once or twice a year which is far to little to deal with the hassle of adding to a whitelist, so it's simpler to just stop going there altogether. (I have allowed some sites to serve up ads in the past but Wired doesn't reach that bar for me)

      If sites really cared then those sites would serve up their own curated ads rather than relying on sleazy third party advertisers and would not serve up an overwhelming amount of crappy javascript.

    13. Re: Ok. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is using *my* electricity, risking *my* computer's integrity, distracting *my* attention for *your* profit not abusing *my* resources?

      This is like entering into a cage fight and then complaining about getting hurt. Noone makes you go to an ad-supported website and read their content.

      That's missing the point quite a bit. People don't walk into cage fights, clueless as to what's about to happen. There's informed consent. Not so with web pages. In fact, if I load a Wired page, not even they know what ads I'll see or what sort of malware they might be serving up, since they've offloaded that responsibility to third-parties who, as a group, have proven themselves untrustworthy (e.g. Forbes malware recently). Today's Web is like an endless hall of doors with barely-useful labels. The only way to find out what's inside is to open a door and step in. There's no consent. Just regret (see: goatse...actually, don't).

      Ad blockers restore informed consent. They give us the ability to say, "We're unwilling to pay the price you're asking". If sites want to deny us service because of that, that's how things are supposed to work. After all, if two parties can't settle on a price, there shouldn't be an exchange of goods or services. More importantly, however, ad blockers allow us to specify what we DO consent to. To the best of my knowledge, all of the major ad blockers are configured to permit first-party ads by default. If sites like Wired are willing to take responsibility for their ads and trust them enough to host them on their own servers, I'm fine with viewing them. My ad blocker will let them through. We'll both be in consent.

      Until then, it'll block the ads they're serving up from third-party ad vendors, and if they want to deny me service because I'm blocking them, that's fine.

      Well, "fine" inasmuch as it's a boneheaded move that'll bite them in the ass in the end, but still, it's their ill-fated choice to make.

    14. Re: Ok. by camg188 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Will WIRED at least pledge to screen the javascript for tracking and malware?
      I just checked and here is a list of all the javascript loading from their webpage: wired.com, optimizely.com, disquscdn.com, amazon-adsystem.com, ajax.googleapis.com, pinterest.com, adobedtm.com, scorecardresearch.com, mookie1.com, omtrdc.net, yldbt.com, demdex.net, dff7tx5c2qbxc.cloudfront.net, disqus.com, dy48bnzanqw0v.cloudfront.net, condenastdigital.com, facebook.com, outbrain.com, googlsyndication.com, googleadservices.com, polarmobile.com, twitter.com, mediavoice.com, doubleclick.net, zqtk.net, parsely.com, chartbeat.com, tiqcdn.com, typekit.net, googletagservices.com, moatads.com, mediaplex.com, twimg.com, adsafeprotected.com, dotomi.com, google-analytics.com

  2. Oops by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I forgot the third option. Stop reading Wired.

    Note to people submitting stories: No more wired.com links please. It joins forbes.com on the /. blacklist.

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    1. Re:Oops by Alomex · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Fourth option: have lightweight unobtrusive ads.

      I only started using ad-blocker when ads became a draw on performance.

    2. Re:Oops by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wired? Hell they still exist?

      I haven't read them in decades...

      Also, what's with the name, still? It's 2016: Calling a tech magazine "Wired" is like calling a car magazine "Horse and Buggy Monthly".

    3. Re:Oops by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There's a very important fourth option that they neglected to mention, yet is entirely in their control: stop delivering ads they don't host and haven't vetted.

      If a company is willing to vet their ads and host them on their own servers, it's unlikely I'll go to the bother of blocking them, especially since I no longer need to wonder about who's getting my data, and I can read just one privacy policy to find out how my data is being used. By default, however, I block everything from third-party servers, and that's unlikely to change anytime soon.

    4. Re:Oops by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a very important fourth option that they neglected to mention, yet is entirely in their control: stop delivering ads they don't host and haven't vetted.

      Pretty much this.

      Serve an ad from your own server, which doesn't require scripts, and doesn't rely on 15 external tracking sites to monitor my visit (OK, on that particular page it was 5), and I don't have a problem.

      What's that? You can't serve those ads, or having it be non-targeted isn't as effective? Too fucking bad.

      This bullshit about letting a bunch of external sites set cookies, run scripts, run plugins, and track everything I do ... that's your problem. Because I'm not trusting some 3rd party just because you're getting a few shekels from them -- I have no reason to trust those 3rd parties. That's an idiotic security model, and wired should know it.

      Serve a script-less ad from your own servers without external tracking, and I won't even bother blocking them.

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  3. What a shame by mitcheli · · Score: 5, Funny

    Guess I'll have to get my tech news from Slashdot instead.

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  4. $52/yr is a lot for a subscription by scorp1us · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since there's no pulp to push, the economics of the price are astounding.

    If ads were more intelligent and higher class, they wouldn't be so annoying. Nothing like continuing to see ads for something you bought, or putting up with taboola's brain-dead stupid tricks.

    Ads should be as good as the articles they parasitically feed off of.

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  5. Malware by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do they also intend to give us malware, as Forbes did? :-P

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  6. I'll consider unblocking ads ... by Monoman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I will consider unblocking all ads on their site if the accept all liability for the ads, content, and actions of their site.

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  7. Re:No problem by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Or just block the ad-blocker blocker script. Just like one can do for most of these sites trying to block ad blockers.

  8. Re:No problem by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or just wait an hour or two for AdBlock's anti-AdBlock killer list to re-fix their site.

    The advertisers need to understand that they really can't win this war - Even if it eventually comes down to letting every single ad and craptastic script on a page run in an invisible sandbox just to pass all their tests, we still won't watch the damned ads.

    Find a revenue model that doesn't depend on pissing off your customers, or you deserve to go out of business. Really that simple.

  9. The headline should read like this by kuzb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Wired to lose 20% of its readership"

    Most people are not going to turn off their ad-blocking software just to read Wired. Regardless, the quality of their content has been dropping steadily over the last decade.

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  10. What do you propose that they do? by dlenmn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    after years of abusing ads for profit, sites are now trying to act like innocent victims just trying to keep the lights on.

    I see this type of comment fairly frequently, and I understand the sentiment, but what exactly do you propose that they do instead? Just go bankrupt? Can they somehow regain your trust by running non-abusive ads? (Whatever that means. How do you know which ads aren't abusive? Do you check every site or just run your ad blocker everywhere?) What if non-abusive ads aren't enough to break even? Micropayments?

    Wired produces good content, so I'd hate for them to go under. I see other comments saying that you'll just get your content elsewhere, but that's just kicking the can down the road instead of solving the problem. The same problems apply to your new news source, which is probably going to ban ad blockers sooner or later too unless a long-term solution is found.

    (Moreover, what exactly does "abusing ads for profit" mean? Are you faulting them for trying to make a profit using advertising? Is the complaint not the ads per se, but the ads that track your every move? If so, that's not at all clear from your writing.)

    1. Re:What do you propose that they do? by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suggest they host the ads as first-party, no Javascript, static images/ text links on their actual domain. One would pretty much have to write an AI to block them, and there would be little reason to try.

    2. Re:What do you propose that they do? by stealth_finger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      after years of abusing ads for profit, sites are now trying to act like innocent victims just trying to keep the lights on.

      I see this type of comment fairly frequently, and I understand the sentiment, but what exactly do you propose that they do instead? Just go bankrupt? Can they somehow regain your trust by running non-abusive ads? (Whatever that means. How do you know which ads aren't abusive? Do you check every site or just run your ad blocker everywhere?) What if non-abusive ads aren't enough to break even? Micropayments?

      Wired produces good content, so I'd hate for them to go under. I see other comments saying that you'll just get your content elsewhere, but that's just kicking the can down the road instead of solving the problem. The same problems apply to your new news source, which is probably going to ban ad blockers sooner or later too unless a long-term solution is found.

      (Moreover, what exactly does "abusing ads for profit" mean? Are you faulting them for trying to make a profit using advertising? Is the complaint not the ads per se, but the ads that track your every move? If so, that's not at all clear from your writing.)

      They could start by taking ownership of what they display. Host the ads first party, do some basic checking that the ads you're serving to your customers are at least legit on the surface. If there isn't enough revenue to keep them going how about a merger or something with any of the other shitload of tech/news/light entertainment sites and combine their pools of readership. There are plenty of ways for failing business' to get back on their feet, or so I'm told anyway.

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    3. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Ken+D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you think that a magazine would print an ad in their product sight unseen?

      Of course not. They have guidelines for acceptable ads and screen each and every ad before accepting it for their print run.

      Why do/did they think they can just outsource their ads for their online product?

      Online advertising is just broken because they absolutely, positively cannot be trusted.

    4. Re:What do you propose that they do? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...I see this type of comment fairly frequently, and I understand the sentiment, but what exactly do you propose that they do instead? Just go bankrupt?...

      According to Wired, only 20% of the visitors to the site block ads. Hardly a reason for a site to go bankrupt.

      .
      But I would suggest that one of the first things that is done is get rid of the ad networks that track people around the Internet and also serve up malware. I see absolutely no reason for Wired ads to track me as I visit other websites. If Wired wants to serve ads, then wired.com should serve the ads.

      Second, make the ads a whole lot less intrusive. When there's an ad on the page, I see it. There is no reason whatsoever to make the ad obnoxiously prominent to gain more of my attention, as that added attention will not result in a positive opinion about the product the ad is trying to sell.

      There's more, but those two would be a good start....

    5. Re:What do you propose that they do? by jafiwam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suggest they host the ads as first-party, no Javascript, static images/ text links on their actual domain. One would pretty much have to write an AI to block them, and there would be little reason to try.

      There are large technical problems with that.

      The ad providers don't trust the content producers not to fleece them. How are they going to know? And how are they going go back to the widget seller and prove the ad was seen and worked?

      Those are all technically, unsolved problems still.

      On the other hand, the fact the ad networks think everybody is a shyster that will rip them off sort of demonstrates they are shysters themselves... everybody thinks others are just like them.

    6. Re:What do you propose that they do? by Nkwe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I propose that they offer a web site subscription for a reasonable price. The summary says that they are offering access to the site via an ad blocker for $1/week, which is $52 per year. The print subscription price is less than $25 per year and that of course includes physical printing and mailing. They are asking way too much to not view ads on their web site.

  11. You can't be fucking serious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    We're years past the age of reasonable banner ads and sidebar ads. Ad creators have killed the goose with their greedy bullshit behavior. The online ad industry is full of abuse:
    • Pop over ads
    • Pop under ads
    • Ads with fake close buttons that actually load MORE ads
    • Ads that automatically open other tabs or browser windows to shove more spam in our faces
    • Sites that spread thin, shitty content ("The Top 10 Ways Advertisers Are Assholes: Number 7 Will SHOCK YOU!!!") over multiple pages to generate more page views and ad revenue
    • Deceptive clickbait ads (like fake DOWNLOAD buttons that are bigger than the actual download link on the page)
    • Auto-playing video and audio ads
    • Ads that are disguised to look like regular content (a practice carried over from the print world): if you're lucky the word 'Advertisement' is shown somewhere in tiny tiny print, although these days 'Sponsored Content' seems to be the favored term.
    • Tracking cookies (not just one or two, but a dozen or more per page that eat your bandwidth and delay page loading)
    • Ads that deliver MALWARE, because the ad networks and content providers don't give a shit and it costs money to protect readers from the scam artists out there.

    Wired can just go fuck themselves if they think their readers should bend over and take this kind of abuse.

    1. Re:You can't be fucking serious. by war4peace · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, nice sum-up.
      However, that 1 dollar a week thing... isn't it exactly what people here and elsewhere asked for? Like, for so long?
      If the content's worth the money, pay up and peruse an ad-free, high quality website. Or if you deem it not worthy, don't visit it anymore.

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  12. LAST STRAW by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's it, I'm sending back my ::cue::cat !


    shit, that joke's old enough to drive...

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  13. Re:What!!!? by Aaden42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've never looked at a 19th century newspaper, but I'mma go out on a limb here...

    I'm pretty sure the ads didn't:
    1) Make noise.
    2) Move around annoyingly trying to get my attention.
    3) Make me sit and wait to read the rest of the page while they loaded.
    4) Cost me additional money (mobile bandwidth) to load.
    5) Report my location & reading habits back to the advertiser as I walked about London.
    6) Take up 80% of the page, requiring me to flip page after page to read a sentence or two surrounded by half a dozen ads.
    7) Cause an actual danger to me in damaging the device I was using to read them.

    Did I forget anything? I'll take 19th century advertising standards.

    There's a certain red-on-black alternative social networking site that does advertising right. Hosted on their own server, static simple images, reasonably sized, no animation, no sound, no JScript, no Flash, no BS. They actually host the images on a sub-domain of their main site. It would be trivial to block them. I don't because they're not annoying or dangerous. Occasionally they even advertise something interesting, and I (intentionally!) click/tap on an ad.

  14. They will just change the definition of ads by Stan92057 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I paid for a weather channel subscription years ago because it was cheap and they made the CLAIM no ads. That was as it turned out a flat out lie. I unsubscribed the very same day, turns out at the time a lot of people were doing the same. They will just change the definition of what ads are they cant help themselves.The urge to forge loopholes is just too great.

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