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Senate Passes Bill Making Internet Tax Ban Permanent (consumerist.com)

kheldan writes: Nearly two decades ago, Congress passed the first Internet Tax Freedom Act, establishing that — with a handful of grandfathered exceptions — local, state, and federal governments couldn't impose taxes on Internet access. Problem is, that law has had to be renewed over and over, each time with an expiration date. But today, the U.S. Senate finally passed a piece of legislation that would make the tax ban permanent.

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  1. That's great by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now we get to see what the Republican-controlled House does. Surely they hate taxes too...

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    1. Re:That's great by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

      The senate is controlled by Republicans, too

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    2. Re:That's great by Alypius · · Score: 1

      You do know the GOP controls both the House and the Senate, right?

    3. Re:That's great by fnj · · Score: 1

      You do know the GOP controls both the House and the Senate, right?

      For some definition of "control". If you do not have a supermajority, you do not have REAL control in the Senate. The House is not subject to the filibuster; neither the real kind like the one in Mr. Smith Goes To Washington, nor the watered-down fake "I-threaten-a-filibuster" kind that are all we see nowadays, but are enough to get the job done.

    4. Re:That's great by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Now we get to see what the Republican-controlled House does. Surely they hate taxes too...

      So lets see now. Before, your in-store purchases provided tax revenue that the state used for roads and infrastructure. Other parts of that tax would cover public housing and some essential services.
      Now, the senators have said, No internet taxes. Does that mean that the state has to raise sales tax, or impose sales taxes on items previously untaxed, such as food? Look to your electric and gas bills to have taxes incremented.
      I believe that the internet tax should be for the destination address of an item. If the item is destined to non-USA site, no taxes are applicable.
      What we may also see is a jack-up of the selling price to allow the seller to cover taxes assessed by states.

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  2. well, until it's amended. by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    the US Constitution does that, too.

    1. Re:well, until it's amended. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Here's a link to the definition of the word permanent:
      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/permanent

      It's meaning is very specific: "lasting or continuing for a very long time or forever : not temporary or changing." It doesn't mean it can't ever be changed, just that it is not temporary like the previous laws that have an expiration date. It doesn't mean no one can ever change it, ever.

    2. Re:well, until it's amended. by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      It won't take an amendment.

      Some states, such as California, impose "use taxes" on items imported from other states. These "use taxes" are exactly the same percentage as sales taxes in those areas, but because they aren't technically taxing the sale, they get away with it under our constitution.

    3. Re:well, until it's amended. by crackerjack155 · · Score: 1

      It won't take an amendment.

      Some states, such as California, impose "use taxes" on items imported from other states. These "use taxes" are exactly the same percentage as sales taxes in those areas, but because they aren't technically taxing the sale, they get away with it under our constitution.

      Actually court rulings imply that if someone was able to get a lawsuit to the supreme court the court might find that to not actually be legal, because they have found anything even indirectly related to interstate commerce is controlled by Congress. The supreme court has ruled that even growing and using your own stuff falls under interstate commerce because your not buying it elsewhere.[1] If the courts say something like that falls under the commerce clause then I bet they would include something that actually seems like it should be. The Constitution covers anything involving interstate commerce, not just sales taxes, so it would appear that it Californias "use taxes" on goods from other states may not actually be legal. It isn't relevant whether you call it a "use tax" or a "sales tax" anything effecting interstate commerce is under Congress and putting a tax specifically on stuff from another state is clearly interstate commerce.

      [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

    4. Re:well, until it's amended. by mysidia · · Score: 1

      I bet they would include something that actually seems like it should be.

      You assume their judgement will not be bent by the needs of the states.

      I read from this article a little notation, about how some Supreme court justices may want to re-consider the case due to the change in economic climate (regarding internet commerce).

      It sounds a bit legislative to me, But I guess that is the nature of our newly Politicized Supreme court, which can now be viewed a progressive-demo-socialist corrupted institution (No longer so impartial or objective, certainly not indifferent anymore to what elected legislatures of certain political parties want.).

      justice Anthony Kennedy’s concurrence. In addition to his “unqualified join and assent” to the “complete and correct” opinion of the Court, he wrote separately to emphasize his view that the Court should overturn Quill v. North Dakota and allow the states to impose sales taxes directly on the business of online retailers. The opinion is much more harmful now to the states than when it was decided; Justice Kennedy reports mail-order commerce of $180 million at the time of Quill (1992 – a few years before internet commerce), compared to more than three trillion dollars in 2008. Given the increased harm and the transformational effect on our society and economy of electronic communication, he calls for the Court to reconsider Quill as soon as possible.

    5. Re:well, until it's amended. by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      I think the idea behind calling it permanent was that it remains law without any further action from congress as opposed to sun setting and needing renewed.

      But yes. I thought the same thing. No law or constitutional provision is permanent in the strict sense because after some arbitrary time in the 1800s, it can all be amended.

    6. Re:well, until it's amended. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Yet the governments still manage to pull in taxes proportional to GDP, keeping up with GDP growth (rather than proportional to population, or to a set of well-planned needs, gawrsh how old school I am!)

      So...again to hell with that. No new taxes to start ratcheting up!

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  3. Re: Bad idea to ban internet taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know it's /., but did you not even read the summary? This has nothing to do with good purchases online. This is only about taxing internet access.

  4. Re:Bad idea to ban internet taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RTFA... This is a ban on taxing internet access. Not goods purchased via the Internet. Had you read the article, you would've read the last paragraph that states this does not resolve the long debated issue of taxing purchases made online.

  5. Re:Wait I thought we already were paying taxes by TypoNAM · · Score: 2

    This for banning taxes on internet service, not taxes related to purchasing goods over the internet.

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  6. "Permanent"? by mariox19 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No Congress can pass a law that a subsequent Congress can't repeal. There is no such thing as "permanent."

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    1. Re:"Permanent"? by Ironman126 · · Score: 1

      Sure, but this means they will have to argue, fight, and filibuster if anyone ever wants to change it.

    2. Re:"Permanent"? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Permanent" in context means that they don't have to keep renewing the law.

    3. Re:"Permanent"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm just going to copy-and-paste my other response because I really can't believe people are so stupid they don't know what the word "permanent" means.

      Here's a link to the definition of the word permanent:
      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/permanent

      It's meaning is very specific: "lasting or continuing for a very long time or forever : not temporary or changing." It doesn't mean it can't ever be changed, just that it is not temporary like the previous laws that have an expiration date. It doesn't mean no one can ever change it, ever.

    4. Re:"Permanent"? by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      You shouldn't claim snide technicalities based on intentional misunderstanding to make yourself look smarter, unless you know what you're talking about or want to be taken down a notch.

      No Congress can pass a law that a subsequent Congress can't repeal. There is no such thing as "permanent."

      Sure they can. With a two-thirds majority in each house, they could pass a joint resolution for a Constitutional amendment abolishing Congress. Once they do that, it's out of their hands -- they can't repeal it, even if it hasn't yet been ratified by the states. And if ratified, any other laws Congress already passed wouldn't be able to be repealed by a subsequent Congress.

      They could also accomplish something similar without outside approval, by sufficiently messing up their Rules of Proceedings.

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    5. Re:"Permanent"? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      I believe the problem here is that there's no word for "not temporary" that incorporates the meaning here but not the usual meaning of the word "Permanent".

      This bill is not temporary, that is, it doesn't have a time limit or expiration date that kicks in if Congress doesn't act.

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    6. Re:"Permanent"? by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Until the States call a convention and pass an amendment repealing the prior amendment and restoring congress. Even your route is not permanent.

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    7. Re:"Permanent"? by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      "Permanent" in context means that they don't have to keep renewing the law.

      Which is kind of a big deal, considering this congress has trouble passing routine legislation, and for all we know the next one could be even worse.

    8. Re:"Permanent"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silly AC, nobody cares what you have to say if you're not going to bother logging in.

    9. Re:"Permanent"? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      What is bothersome to me is we now exist in a state of massive overspending, with tax cuts being only temporary.

      Hooray for this win! A new, additional tax to ratchet up is not, in fact, born!

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  7. Re: Bad idea to ban internet taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Learn to read. It's not sales tax it's tax on access. You know the same sort of taxes your parents paid on their land line. Something your probably never used from their basement

  8. Four more years for grandfathered states by SydShamino · · Score: 2

    According to TFA, states with existing taxes have four more years to phase them out. Why give some states even one more minute of special taxes that other states aren't allowed to impose?

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    1. Re:Four more years for grandfathered states by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      States have fiscal commitments, they would raise hell at having a funding stream removed, and would put pressure to bear on their own legislators at the least, possibly more direct action in a judicial forum, and otherwise stink things up.

      Basically, avoiding political infighting by giving your roommate/ex-spouse/former partner time to deal with business before precipitous action.

    2. Re:Four more years for grandfathered states by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they were grandfathered in, maybe? It's similar to, but not the same as, a law coming into effect making something illegal. It wasn't illegal yesterday, so why should someone be prosecuted for something that wasn't illegal when ti was done? It's a concept that has been around since ancient Rome and Greece, so shouldn't be that foreign and hard to understand.

    3. Re:Four more years for grandfathered states by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because then those states that do have taxes implemented would fight harder to keep them, thus decreasing the chances the bill would pass.

      If you allow the other states that do not have a tax implemented currently to impose them during the phase out period, there's an incentive for creating taxes with an abnormally high rate to capitalize on them while the state can. So it's prohibited.

    4. Re:Four more years for grandfathered states by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because election year.

    5. Re:Four more years for grandfathered states by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does this mean the 9% New York State sales tax I pay on mobile Internet access will go away in four years? I don't live in New York State, but the company is based over there I guess.

    6. Re:Four more years for grandfathered states by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I could probably come up with some plausible-sounding reasons, but in practice I'm guessing it's because the lost tax revenue will be the problem of the next people in office and not the current crop.

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    7. Re:Four more years for grandfathered states by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      states with existing taxes have four more years to phase them out.

      you mean they have four more years to change it to a "network communications" tax or some other bullshit instead.

  9. Re:Impact? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2

    No, because this has nothing to do with sales tax.

  10. Meh by Tailhook · · Score: 1

    So as you can see reading comprehension is a rare and precious commodity and most of these people think this is about sales taxes....

    Anyhow, I'm ambivalent. If governments could tax internet service they would be more inclined to accommodate providers with right-of-way and other regulatory favors for digital build-outs and upgrades, so service availability might actually improve. On the other hand, I have no trouble imagining states like Illinois just pummeling citizens with stupid high taxes so they can pad their bonuses, benefits and pensions harder. They would drive people off the Internet.

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    1. Re:Meh by omnichad · · Score: 1

      As an Illinois resident with a state job and tiny step toward a vested pension, I have to say you're misinformed about the pensions. Workers pay 8% of their own income toward the pensions and do not deposit into nor are eligible for Social Security benefits. The payout is not spectacular unless you were overpaid to begin with.

      Most everything about Illinois corruption is true, but the pensions just aren't one of them.

    2. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waaay off topic but... ...why in the fuck would someone want to live somewhere like that? I've been to Illinois...there's nothing special about it.

    3. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to say you're misinformed about the pensions .... Most everything about Illinois corruption is true, but the pensions just aren't one of them.

      I'm not misinformed about a god damn thing and the state pension system you're trying to get yourself into is a racket of monumental proportions. When all the gears finally strip because your corrupt borrow-and-spend anti-business state destroys its tax base you'll end up screwed and you'll deserve it, just like the UAW pensioners and the city of Detroit pensioners and every other clutch of fools that set themselves up for it.

      This is your fate: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-illinois-pensions-detroit-public-klickna-iea-perspec-0310-jm-20150309-story.html

      Enjoy.

    4. Re:Meh by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I know I'm screwed, but the pension itself was never the problem - it's been gutted for its money and would have been solvent enough on its own. I'm working to get out, but I know others who never will. Rauner tried to vilify the state workers themselves and a LOT of people believed it blindly. That's what I was arguing against - because it seemed that the OP implied that the pension was padded with so much money.

      But there's no point linking me to a paywall. Especially the Tribune.

    5. Re:Meh by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      I am the original poster, and the post with the Tribune link was me as well. Honestly not sure why that went up as AC; I fully intended to put my name to it.

      Rauner tried to vilify the state workers themselves and a LOT of people believed it blindly. That's what I was arguing against

      As far as I'm concerned state employees deserve vilification. It's your employee pressure groups — unions and lobbyists — ripping off the system. You elect them. Your dues pay them. You vote for the politicians they need to enable all this. The only way any of this could ever get corrected is if you employees reformed the institutions that represent you, but we all know you won't. You knock back the kool-aid, hating on whom you're told to hate (Rauner, herp derp) until the whole thing lands in a bankruptcy court.

      No, you deserve it. 100%.

      But there's no point linking me to a paywall. Especially the Tribune.

      Chrome+Ghostery hides that simplistic paywall. I never saw it, but hitting the link "incognito" does indeed reveal the paywall.

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    6. Re:Meh by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I'm not represented by a union. It's true that there are some union-represented groups who were able to get more out of a contract than they should have, but that's not the general case.

      You didn't address that there is nothing wrong with the pension system as it was created. And if it tanks, it's not because it failed on its own. It's because money was stolen from it and was unable to earn anything because it wasn't sitting where it was supposed to.

      The only way any of this could ever get corrected is if you employees reformed the institutions that represent you, but we all know you won't.

      Which means what, exactly?

      hating on whom you're told to hate (Rauner, herp derp)

      Are you kidding? Nobody told me to hate Rauner. I decided to vote for him after a democrat governor goes to jail. And he said the right things at first, for the most part. But the first thing he did was drop the temporary income tax increase. Before fixing the spending problems. This is just a setup intended to cause the current crisis.

      You're very angry, but you really don't know much about what you're talking about. You're one of the people drinking the kool-aid. You can't think rationally with that much anger, and that's why you're going for attack arguments instead of facts.

    7. Re:Meh by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      I'm not represented by a union.

      That is highly unlikely. If you're employed by the state and eligible for a state pension it is difficult to imagine the powers-that-be would have forgotten to put you under one of their many umbrellas, and if they have then you're a special snowflake and I'll confine my remarks to the 99.999% of state employees that are union members and are part of the problem.

      there is nothing wrong with the pension system as it was created

      I'm sure that argument is going to have a big impact with the judge that will have to unwind who knows how many decades of corruption.

      Nobody told me to hate Rauner.

      No one had to tell Louis Lerner who needed to be targeted. No one had to order the Cologne police to cover up the rapes. The fact that you weren't explicitly instructed where to put your loyalties means exactly nothing to me. You know the score and you don't need to be explicitly told anything.

      You're very angry

      You are ruining this world and my time in it. My entire family are effectively refugees of governments run by people with your mentality. You destroy things. We are enemies. And if that's news to you then I'm pleased to have that advantage.

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    8. Re:Meh by omnichad · · Score: 1

      You are ruining this world and my time in it. My entire family are effectively refugees of governments run by people with your mentality. You destroy things. We are enemies. And if that's news to you then I'm pleased to have that advantage.

      Polarizing the issue and demonizing people is exactly the political game right now. If you don't see that you're dehumanizing people and trying to ruin other people's lives just to keep yours from being ruined, you're blind to it all and I can't argue this further. You can't fix decades of abuse with a quick fix in a few years on the backs of innocent people.

      Since you singled out the pension programs, I'll mention that mine is ONLY funded by payroll, through an organizaton that has received zero in appropriation from July through February. The entire funding of that pension is employees paying 9.1% of their earned wages. And the state pays 12.71% on top of that instead of 6.2% to Social Security. That means that the pension itself only adds 6.5% to the cost of an employee. And I'm already being paid less than half of market rate.

      You see a couple cherry-picked examples of executive-level administrators who were overpaid to begin with getting a large pension (or had pensions from multiple jobs) and you use that to vilify the whole lot. If you believe that kind of propaganda, you're part of the problem. You know, state payroll is public record and you can look for yourself to see that my situation is a lot more common than you think.

      I'm 100% certain I'm not represented by a union - I'm not stupid and I do know how to read a paystub. And yes, unions here are as corrupt as the IL government, but they're an opposing corrupt force - not the same one. They are not the reason unions exist, and if none existed, there would be no protection at all.

  11. How will the congressman from Amazon vote? by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    Why not tax the internet? I can see not taxing it when it was a fledging system but there's no technological or bussiness reason not to tax it. Even amazon is open to this.You can be against taxes but if were going to tax regular stores it makes sense to tax the internet.

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    1. Re:How will the congressman from Amazon vote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because the government doesn't deserve more tax money.

    2. Re:How will the congressman from Amazon vote? by Adriax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tax on the connection, not goods purchased using it.

      If you let them tax the connection you'd quickly get states and cities imposing either per user taxes or a per meg tax based on 1995 average webpage size and traffic statistics.
      If the ban had lapsed, you can bet the first words out of my city mayor's mouth would have been "email postage".

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    3. Re:How will the congressman from Amazon vote? by mysidia · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why not tax the internet? I can see not taxing it when it was a fledging system

      The internet connectivity is sometimes taxed through telecommunications taxes, particularly federal ones.

      The ban is on state/city taxation of network access.

      It prohibits things such as providers having to pay a "Franchise tax" for every city, discriminatory taxes, E.g. "LAN Tax per Port", "bit tax", "bandwidth tax", "Tax per E-mail message", "$0.05 per Instant message, Tweet, or Facebook update"

      The Tax Freedom act does not prohibit things such as Sales Tax on real or digital goods, and taxing the providers' profits.... Internet-based transactions are still subject to tax; it's the internet connectivity itself that is protected.

    4. Re:How will the congressman from Amazon vote? by dywolf · · Score: 1

      (note that this is access tax, not tax on sales over the internet)

      It would depend what the tax was for.
      If the tax was similar to that levied on phone lines to help fund the rural build out, then it is completely reasonable.
      if the tax is one meant (or abused) to prevent or discriminate access, then not so much.

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    5. Re:How will the congressman from Amazon vote? by MercTech · · Score: 1

      Because state, county, and local governments are constrained from taxing INTERSTATE commerce. That is the purview of the federal government. The internet is an interstate communications network. Any tax revenue from the internet is accumulated by taxes on the internet service provider's profits.

      We don't want to go there. Not at all. We don't want an internet tax. Implementing something like one mil per gigabyte usage tax would require a nightmarish expensive bureaucratic infrastructure to implement. Tax profits of tech companies that profit from the internet. Tax the profits of the internet service providers.

      "Taxing the internet" is just an insane concept to even consider implementing. A good example of fuzzy wuzzy logic. "Yep, make dem damn millennial kids pay a penny a tweet in taxes and get rid of the national debt."

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  12. Re:Internet service, not stores. by hackwrench · · Score: 3, Informative

    Various government agencies do collect tax on purchases made using the internet. This is just no tax on the connectivity provided by an ISP.

  13. Only Executive Orders matter anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This bill is equivalent to replacing the furniture on the titanic

  14. Re:reading comprehension by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I have a saying, "You need to know when to read." Reading comprehension doesn't enter the equation until something has been read.

  15. Re: Bad idea to ban internet taxes by ravenspear · · Score: 2

    did you not even read the summary?

    You must be new here.

  16. Expiration date? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    All laws should have one. The entire government should have one. End the careerism

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    1. Re:Expiration date? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      All laws should have one.

      Alternatively, the law should be limited to a maximum size. Any new law requires removing an old one that was passed during some time of moral panic and no one cares for any more, for example, in order to create space.

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    2. Re:Expiration date? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a fresh out of college coder.

      It's all a mess and I don't know why any of this cruft is here. Let's rewrite the whole thing with Ruby. We'll worry about bug fixes after the rewrite is done.

    3. Re:Expiration date? by Alypius · · Score: 1

      Congresswoman Mia Love is trying to do something similar. Her bill basically says that bills can only be on one subject and "poison pills" can't be entered (i.e. no gun banning attached to a budget to hold it hostage). It has no chance of actually becoming law, of course, but it's still nice to see.

    4. Re:Expiration date? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      More like *Time to yank out the old cables clogging the tray*.

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  17. Semantics by tsotha · · Score: 1

    No Congress can actually make something permanent without a change to the constitution. It should really read "permanent until we change our minds".

    1. Re:Semantics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By that definition, *nothing* is permanent, including your house, the Pyramids, the Great Wall of China, or the Sun.

      Fortunately, permanent also means something not intended to be temporary.
      The law has no expiration date. Therefore it is permanent. The fact that it can be *destroyed* has not impact on that fact.

  18. Cell phone service taxes by spork+invasion · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Forgive me if this is a stupid question. Lots of jurisdictions impose taxes on cell phone service. Where I live right now does so. I have LTE, in which everything (voice, texts, data) is sent as data. Essentially it's purely an internet connection. If Congress makes it illegal for anyone to tax internet access, wouldn't this also cover wireless services? For previous generations of wireless technology, it could be argued that the portions not sent as data were what was being taxed. That doesn't seem to be the case for LTE where it's all data. Unless there's some specific exemption for wireless services that I'm not aware of, shouldn't this mean that my city imposing a tax for cell phone services on me is illegal under federal law?

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    1. Re:Cell phone service taxes by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      According to my reading, the law only addresses wired internet connections.

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    2. Re:Cell phone service taxes by spork+invasion · · Score: 1

      The bill the Senate voted on is HR 644, which simply references existing law and indicates that the moratorium on internet taxes is to be made permanent. Here's the text of the existing law. From reading it, it seems clear that it refers both to wired and wireless internet connections, so I'm interested in where you see otherwise. This is what I see, as it defines internet access:

      (4) Internet.-The term 'Internet' means collectively the myriad of computer and telecommunications facilities, including equipment and operating software, which comprise the interconnected world-wide network of networks that employ the Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol, or any predecessor or successor protocols to such protocol, to communicate information of all kinds by wire or radio.

      I think the real issue is whether it's still really a telecommunications service, which I think is questionable. The major carriers generally only provide plans now that include data and it's treated as a single package. It seems like providers such as Verizon basically give away unlimited talk and text and charge for data use. I'm not sure that really qualifies for an exemption from the law, which reads:

      (D) Internet access service.-The term 'Internet access service' means a service that enables users to access content, information, electronic mail, or other services offered over the Internet and may also include access to proprietary content, information, and other services as part of a package of services offered to consumers. The term 'Internet access service' does not include telecommunications services, except to the extent such services are purchased, used, or sold by a provider of Internet access to provide Internet access.

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    3. Re:Cell phone service taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about mobile Internet? You know, hotspots without phone services.

    4. Re:Cell phone service taxes by omnichad · · Score: 1

      LTE is a network, not THE Internet. It's a last mile that happens to include Internet data along with voice data.

      You might as well say that Cable TV is becoming all switched digital video now and is thus also Internet. It's not. It may be data, but it's not Internet.

    5. Re:Cell phone service taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LTE is a communications protocol. The network consists of the medium over which the protocol is transmitted/received.

  19. Lobbying by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    An internet tax hurts the dominant players in the communications industry because it makes overall prices higher, making people more likely to switch provider to a lower cost provider. Verizon alone has spent tens of millions of dollars lobbying Congress, so Congress votes in their favor.

    See, e.g., https://www.opensecrets.org/or...

  20. Just proves those republicans hate us... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and want us to die.

    1. Re: Just proves those republicans hate us... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hatez iz dey waz of dere kind.

    2. Re: Just proves those republicans hate us... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Republicans want us to die. Want us to die.

    3. Re: Just proves those republicans hate us... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are truly the party of death.

    4. Re: Just proves those republicans hate us... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Republicans want us to die. Want us to die.

      I miss the old /. that was about tech topics instead of liberal/SJW crap.

    5. Re:Just proves those republicans hate us... by Alypius · · Score: 1

      Nothing is stopping you from paying more taxes, sparky.

    6. Re: Just proves those republicans hate us... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Because conservatives are the torch-bearers for abortion and right-to-die laws. Imbecile.

    7. Re: Just proves those republicans hate us... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Die? Nah. Just quit voting so the grownups can talk. Or at the very least stop repeating yourself. Repeating yourself.

  21. Terrible summary -- access tax, NOT sales tax by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 1

    The article summary is very misleading -- it reads like sales tax on Internet purchases has been banned, which is not the case. This law deals with the taxation of Internet access.

    1. Re:Terrible summary -- access tax, NOT sales tax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the title may be misleading, but the summary isn't. In the very first sentence it says they're talking about taxes on internet access.

    2. Re:Terrible summary -- access tax, NOT sales tax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...local, state, and federal governments couldn't impose taxes on Internet access.

      It looks pretty clear to me. What part of this is misleading?

  22. Re:Mark in case House pass the bill but Obama veto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wuh? Your non-nonsensical remark was so non-nonsensically nice you had to say it twice.

  23. In celebration Comcast and Time Warner by sabbede · · Score: 1

    raise prices.

    1. Re:In celebration Comcast and Time Warner by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      (Don't forget Verizon). But that's just what I was thinking, now they'll all definitely have to be more creative in finding a way to impose more hidden fees, they won't be able to claim it's related to an Internet tax for a long time coming.

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    2. Re:In celebration Comcast and Time Warner by RoknrolZombie · · Score: 1

      You think they'll have a hard time finding new ways to charge us more? These are the remnants of Ma Bell; I doubt her playbook was lost.

  24. Obvious Confusion Opportunity by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1
    Hey Whiplash,

    You and the new management team seem to be doing right by the community so far. Article quality has improved on Slashdot, and you guys announced the end of that stupid affiliate program that SourceForge had.

    I clicked on the link to this Slashdot story after seeing the title in my RSS feed. Since I was already familiar with the bill, I waited for the tab to load thinking "I bet Slashdot is going to be all gung ho for sales taxes on e-commerce purchases, despite the fact that the bill deals with something else entirely." Obviously, the Slashdot community didn't disappoint.

    When there's stories like this where there's an OBVIOUS confusion opportunity, it would be helpful if you guys could put the clarification in the story's TITLE. It's ALWAYS been a part of Slashdot culture to not read the article, and the amount of people who read the summary has been in steady decline for a while. That's an easy fix that would make Slashdot better, and "Making Slashdot better" seems like it's a goal of your team.

    Thanks for listening.

    1. Re:Obvious Confusion Opportunity by RoknrolZombie · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up.

  25. So much for broadband USF by omnichad · · Score: 1

    So broadband universal service will be subsidized by landline and cell users.

  26. Re: Bad idea to ban internet taxes by Alypius · · Score: 1

    RTFS is the new RTFA.

  27. Re: Bad idea to ban internet taxes by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    What the fuck does reading the title have to do with anything?

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  28. Re:Internet service, not stores. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, right...except there is, just called another name. The pipe into my home is taxed, heavily, by multiple agencies, because they all supply a needed service...and think of the children. Like the mob, except without cool accents.

  29. Chicago's Internet Tax by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 2

    Chicago introduced a tax last summer on streaming and cloud-based services.

    http://www.theverge.com/2015/7...