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Google Is Shutting Down Picasa In Favor of Photos (engadget.com)

Google has been steadily migrating its resources towards the Photos ecosystem since the company first announced it at last years I/O developers conference. Today, Google announced that it will shut down Picasa. Starting May 1st, Google will start phasing out Picasa from its product lineup, moving over to Google Photos.

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  1. I hope they keep the Picasa desktop app around. by log0n · · Score: 4, Insightful

    March 1.. lame. It's a very useful photo library manager. Not much better out there, especially when you factor in the $free$ness of it.

    1. Re:I hope they keep the Picasa desktop app around. by acroyear · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is on the slate to be removed. Existing copies still work, but 1) no updates (so an O/S or library change that breaks it is permanent), and 2) no promises that it will still be able to upload files after the transition.

      Yes, very frustrating, as it is my primary post-processing tool.

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      -- Joe
    2. Re:I hope they keep the Picasa desktop app around. by Solandri · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The website is what I'll miss (picasaweb.google.com). It gives you access to the same photos as photos.google.com, but has a lot of options which are missing in the latter site, like managing albums. If they transition that capability to the Photos site, then all will be fine.

      But if they insist on the dumbed-down so easy a caveman could do it approach that Photos currently uses, I'm going to have to figure out some other way to present my photos online. I recently learned that Amazon gives me unlimited photo storage with my Prime account. And not limited to 2048x2048 resolution like with Photos (if you want free unlimited storage) - I've already switched my phone's photo backup to Amazon.

    3. Re:I hope they keep the Picasa desktop app around. by Kinematics · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Picasa hasn't been updated in yeaaaars. I have a download of 3.9 from March 2012. There were a bunch of minor issues in it that they never addressed, and a bunch of feature requests that never got added.

      It's always sat on that cusp of "almost useful", for me. It's one of the better image managers out there, but all that means is that most image managers are crap, and Picasa manages to *almost* be 'good' (but fails in enough ways that I still eventually abandon it).

    4. Re:I hope they keep the Picasa desktop app around. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's Google. They are notorious for stripping away useful functionality and switching around entire services for no reason. I don't use Picasa or Google Photos, but you can be sure that whatever they took away will remain gone in the new service.

      This is why I stopped trusting things like Google Drive. I have no confidence that tomorrow they won't say they are removing some key functionality or that they are migrating the service to something else or that they are shutting it down completely. This is why local storage will always be king. I can be certain that nothing is going to happen to my stuff.

    5. Re:I hope they keep the Picasa desktop app around. by Bob_Who · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Absolutely true. The more you get to know Google, the less you like them.

      Apparently, the feeling is mutual, since once they've accumulated the exploitable data, they could give a shit about being useful to anyone. It's like all media that is funded by advertising - the user is the product, and whatever attracts us like moths to the light will be used to manipulate their asset. We are treated like human traffic by the evil pimps who eat us up and spit us out like a spent piece of used jet trash.

      Anyway, Picasa has been loosing support for over a year. The writing was on the wall, I suppose. They just want to shake loose all of the storage now that they have accumulated all of the photographic data that was required to put names onto faces for their facial recognition profiling.

      Google sure as hell is up to no good most of the time that they give a service away to anyone ever. - They are doing everything in their power to profile every living soul on the planet web.

    6. Re:I hope they keep the Picasa desktop app around. by nwf · · Score: 2

      Desktop apps compete with Google's main business model: selling advertising in could-based services, search being the prime example. I'd imagine photos and mail are thought of similarly.

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    7. Re:I hope they keep the Picasa desktop app around. by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 2

      I don't really use a photo manager, just folders of photos sorted by year, then by month / event. That way they are completely platform agnostic. I still have my photos from the turn of the century Windows 98 days easily accessible.

      To replace the awful Windows photo viewer, I use JPEGView.

      You have to manually install it (eg: extract it to a folder in Program files, Right click a Jpg, and "Open with- choose default", then navigate to JPEGView, then remember the association.

      For basic photo viewing it's dead simple. It loads automatically in full screen, left and right arrows navigate through the folder, and up/down (temporarily) rotate. It will also honour EXIF rotation tags, and F2 will quickly show EXIF data.

      The big thing is it's FAST. When scrolling through a folder files load in no time.

  2. Geotagging? by jeffy210 · · Score: 2

    Does Photos allow you to geotag and display maps as easily as Picasa? One of the things I really liked about that was that I was able to put location tags on all of my travel photos and then have a nice map of where I have been. I hope they don't lose or hide that feature.

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    1. Re:Geotagging? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Adobe Lightroom does, but it's a bit more expensive than free.
      It has far more features but it is a commercial product costing actual money.

  3. That's a shame by uniquename72 · · Score: 2

    I can't for the life of me figure out how my photos in Photos are organized; the collections are randomly placed, and automatically uploaded pics from my Android phone clutter up everything (I've turned this off repeatedly and it keeps resurrecting itself). And when looking at an individual picture, I can't tell whether it's been shared or is part of a collection. And finding any single picture when you don't know which collection its in is nearly impossible without opening each individual collection, which isn't nearly as easy as in Picasa.

    Plus Picasa's desktop photo organizer was nice.

    1. Re:That's a shame by acroyear · · Score: 2

      oh, it is easy: it is just like Apple's photos app. strictly chronological on date-taken (unless there's no exif data, in which case it is by date created or last update or, well, whatever, who cares). Plus albums. Unlike Picasa (but like Flickr) you can put a photo into multiple albums without it making copies of it.

      And unlike the Android, the web version doesn't mix-n-match your online photos with the ones on your phone as if there was no difference between them.

      Beyond that...it is one hell of a step backwards as far as features go.

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      "But remember, most lynch mobs aren't this nice." (H.Simpson)
      -- Joe
  4. The Cloud? No thanks. by imidan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have been working on scanning and organizing our family photographs for a few years, now. I've enjoyed using Picasa for certain features, such as facial recognition. I appreciate geotagging. I haven't done much with the touch-up tools or anything. I'm mainly working on getting them all digitized, not on making them pretty. I keep them backed up on a separate hard drive that's not in my home. I organize the originals into a set of binders with the hope of never having to open them again and just making new prints of any photo that someone wants.

    I have absolutely zero interest in uploading my family photos to Google. I don't know exactly why Google wants them. Presumably, as a corpus to improve their image processing technologies. I realize that nobody else cares about our photos. If they started leaking through my Google+ account or at any of the other various points where I interface with Google, it wouldn't be a grand disaster. Still, the idea does not sit right with me. Not everything has to be on the Internet. Storing my photos at Google doesn't make them better, it just means that I've lost control of them.

    Now, get off my lawn!

    1. Re:The Cloud? No thanks. by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      I don't know exactly why Google wants them. Presumably, as a corpus to improve their image processing technologies.

      And as a way to improve their facial recognition software, because you'll tag people and then Google will be able to identify the same individuals in other photos. Heck, one feature of Google Glass was to have it upload the photos and Google recognizes everyone on the street. The only way this can happen is if Google has a large corpus of faces so they can identify people in every photo.

    2. Re:The Cloud? No thanks. by imidan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And I guess I can understand that. But it somehow feels a little bit icky for me to upload my family to Google so they can improve their facial recognition to drive up profits. I don't know. I'm okay with being "the product" when I join services such as Facebook, but I'm not certain that I have the right to donate my family history the same way. Maybe that's crazy, but as I say, it just makes me feel a little... I don't know.

  5. So...anyone want to suggest replacements? by Sowelu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Non-Google replacements, free or not, whatever.

    1. Re:So...anyone want to suggest replacements? by Voyager529 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Photo organizers, locally installed, Windows:
      Zoner Photo Studio
      xnView
      Nero Mediahome
      Windows Live Photo Gallery
      Media Pro (Not Freeware)
      ACDSee (Not Freeware>
      Corel Aftershot (Not Freeware)

      Photo editors, browser based:
      Pixlr
      Polarr
      Fotor
      iPiccy

      Image Hosting:
      Piwigo (free to self-host; first party hosting available)
      Zenphoto (free to self-host; third party hosting available)
      JuiceBox (freemium; self-hosted only)
      Flickr
      Amazon Prime Photos (you have to be Prime)

      Okay, I'm tired of adding links...but depending on what functions of Picasa you're looking to replace, there are plenty of alternatives.

    2. Re:So...anyone want to suggest replacements? by graphius · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Lightroom is pretty good, and has a lot of other functionality, but Digicam is an awesome photo organizer. Works great in Linux, ok in Windows and kind of sucks on OSX.
      PS. I am quite a serious photographer and have worked professionally in the past. Picassa was always a joke for anyone who took a lot of photos.

    3. Re:So...anyone want to suggest replacements? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      FastStone Image Viewer free for home users

    4. Re:So...anyone want to suggest replacements? by Sabriel · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think you meant digiKam, not digicam?

    5. Re: So...anyone want to suggest replacements? by stimpleton · · Score: 2
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  6. Word: being bought by google actually sucks. by acroyear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pretty much everybody and everything Google has acquired, they've pretty much killed off. They bought Picasa, and are finally killing it with a product that has FAR fewer features (and nothing to replace the capabilities of the desktop app at all).

    They bought picnik a few years ago, made it the online editor for Picasa and google+ photos for a while, but then over time ditched ALL of it in favor of a handful of crappy instagram filters.

    So all of the features, all of the tech, all of the MONEY in Picasa and Picnik is gone. Utterly gone. No legacy left. Google, once the most functional of photo online services out there, is now a second-hand copy of Apple's iCloud...just as everybody was basically complaining that Apple's online/mobile photo approach is damned annoying and nobody wants it and they're all out looking for something better.

    At least Flickr has actually *added* functionality (as well as performance) in the last few years. I just hope whomever they get sold to will be able to keep it alive.

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    1. Re:Word: being bought by google actually sucks. by misexistentialist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      let's hope they buy twitter

    2. Re:Word: being bought by google actually sucks. by turbidostato · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "They've adapted the old Microsoft method (adapted, of course, to make it not evil):

      Embrace, Un-extend, Extinguish "

      No, that hasn't been the case because there has been no need for it.

      Look: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish is not chosen by chance and it only works on said order.

      You first need to start with something already popular and with an obvious leader.

      Then you first embrace the technology of your competitor so users can move from your competitor to you, and you do it in a funneled way: easy to move from your competitor to you, difficult to impossible to do it the other way.

      After that you Extend your competitor's technology so users *do* migrate from him to you because of the added (or percieved) benefit. If the Extend step is working, after a no-return point you extend in non-compatible ways, on one hand just to follow your strategy from the Embrace step, and to take advantage of the network effect to put your competitor pinning for the fjords on the other.

      Once your competition is not a risk any more, you enter the Extinguish step were you go where you really wanted from the beginning.

      For the most perfected example of Microsoft's application of this model see what they did to Novell, starting in the days of Windows 3.11 for Workgroups with its end on Windows 2000 Server.

      But Google is not doing this (not here, at least): Google was not even trying to funnel users away from other photo albums, much less from Picasa. They just bought it and, since Picasa was a Google's competitor no more, there was no need for the Extend step, therefore there were no Extend step.

    3. Re:Word: being bought by google actually sucks. by wbr1 · · Score: 2
      You know why it is a copy of iCloud?

      Not hurr durr because apple. It is because the more advanced features are expensive to maintain and used by only a small subset. If 95% of people do not use the advanced capabilities and just want quick backup, tagging, and filters, then that is what they get. If you want more, then be prepared to pay someone for it.

      You can bat that any service that is given freely or sold cheaply will be pared down to what the most people use that is cheapest to maintain while still providing some benefit for the parent company.

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  7. god damnit by jemmyw · · Score: 2

    I just today reinstalled Picasa after restoring my photos from backup. I spent some time researching options and decided Picasa was still the best tool.

  8. Any Chance they might open source the desktop app? by Marco+Polo · · Score: 2

    I would like to add it to my unicorn and Pegasus collection.

    maybe a kickstart to buy the code? [like blender?]

  9. Turn it OPEN SOURCE by martiniturbide · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...give us at least a chance !!!!

  10. And everything of value was lost. by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I just logged in to Photos to see if it would serve as a replacement (I use and like Picasa), and was I unpleasantly surprised! TLDR: A half-arsed clone that misses all the good in Picasa.

    My first reaction: material design is great and all, but a clean interface that is undiscoverable (or requires five clicks to get anywhere) is useless. I see my Picasa albums on the home screen, except they show a date instead of the album name (I get the idea, it is just a timeline of photos ignoring my organization). Because a date is so much more informative. Also, there is this thing called Collections - because they added some abominations called Stories and Movies, which are also types of Collections (?). Except that Stories and Movies don't show up in my list of Collections, so why bother creating something called Collections in the first place?

    When I go to collections, I see all my Albums (with names). Clicking on one takes me to the page with all photos.The map is gone (I like seeing all the places I've been on the home page of picasa).

    They do have something new called Stories, and something called Movies. They both look like slideshows, except Movies is a YouTube video, while Stories is a interactive slideshow with some map integration to make it cool. Except I don't see how I can make my own story if I wanted, and the defaults are terrible.

    All of this wouldn't be an issue if there wasn't one clear problem: Google is killing off Picasa. And why? To make way for Stories? It seems like an internal politics issue to me ("Look, I spent 2 months building this piece of shit, and I want it shipped and adopted, and I'll kill picasa if I damn well have to."). I get that some people might like the new features, and I can learn to live with the UI changes. Except that the best part about Picasa (and what was truly great about flickr) was the simplicity. They understood that there was a group that was interested in photography, creating and sharing albums, and that's it. And while you can still do most of that (I have no idea if the Picasa client will still work - that would be a deal breaker for me), we have to be subject to a bunch of crap just because someone wanted their pet project to get visibility.

  11. I will never adopt another Google product by dpletche · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Google Photos could be the greatest thing ever, but it's too late for that. No thank you, I will pass on adopting Google's latest momentary fancy.

    Google can't be trusted as a custodian of users' valuable data. Google has the attention span of a sleep-deprived toddler. In the past, it created amazing products, which I wove into my life. Then Google got bored and dropped those products, replacing them with other products I didn't like as much, again and again.

    The incentive to destroy and replace products is baked in to Google's performance management ritual. I'm weary of the resulting churn and refuse to be burned again. In addition, I'm fed up with Google's fixation on low-contrast designs. I'm patiently disentangling myself of all Google dependencies.

    Disclaimer: I was a software engineer at Google for four years. Hello to a friend who still works on Google Photos...

  12. Re:Let Google Know How You Feel - LINK by Proudrooster · · Score: 2
  13. Two kids and their toys by ErnoWindt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Larry and Sergey run their company like two kids on Christmas morning. They're initially enthused, open package after package, play with their new toys for a while, then lose interest and move on. Let's hope they don't decide to arbitrarily pull the plug one afternoon on driver-less cars while millions of them are on the road.

  14. Alternative Photo Viewer? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    There's lots of talk here about Picasa the image organisation tagging and management program, but does anyone have a decent alternative to Picasa Photo Viewer?

    Absolute critical must have feature:
    - Colour management with support for a display profile (my monitor has a non standard gamut)

    The things I like about Picasa:
    - Has the critical feature.
    - Is lightweight
    - Looks sleek an unobtrusive (auto full screen with no window border, no scroll bars).
    - Stepless zooming and panning.

    Other software I've tried and what's wrong with it:
    - ACDsee, used to run version 3. Version 5 took longer to open an image than Outlook. The cut-down viewer didn't support colour management.
    - Windows Picture Viewer, clunky and horrible.
    - Windows 10's Picture Viewer, worthless piece of shit which can't even render a 40mpxl image without breaking.
    - Irfanview, messy interface, very strange control scheme for moving between images, zooming etc.

  15. Re: Google - more like scewgle. GNAA SAYS GAY NIGG by KGIII · · Score: 3, Funny

    They post it to make you angry, ask questions, and to elicit a response. When you reply, you give them what they want. Sometimes, it's fun to give them what they want but it's not always beneficial.

    That's nothing new, that's copy/paste from a bunch of 'em. You can find 'em all cross the net but Pastebin has a bunch of them. The GNAA is kind of famous, sort of, as a group of remarkably creative people who expend that creativity on trolling. They once rolled a live Linux (Lunux) distro up that did nothing but show images - namely the famous gaping ass known as 'goatse.' The distro was called "Linux for Niggers" I do believe. Keep in mind, some of the authors of that are black.

    So, yeah, it's just a part of what the 'net is and, honestly, what it should be. Laugh, shrug it off, ignore it, whatever... You can't stop it and it's just done to piss you off. If you let it piss you off then you're giving them the power to control you. If you let it make you angry, you're telling them that they have the power to control your emotions. Every time they get a response, they're seeing someone tell them that they are willing to be controlled. If I let you make me angry then I've conceded the power over my emotions to you.

    They're just pixels on the screen. Mostly harmless.

    However, this sort of shit (the history of the 'net - and that certainly includes a chapter on things like this) should be damned near mandatory.

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  16. Re:With regularly tested incremental offsite backu by KGIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I take it you test your offsite backups regularly?

    I know you weren't addressing me but, yes... Yes I do verify backups and keep regular copies at disparate locations - including shunting 'em over a network to entirely different geographical locations - some a bit distant. I can even do this from the house in Florida. I not only do it for myself but I have it configured to work properly at other people's houses and we all share out connections (with logins) between each other and have access to specific networked shares and/or hardware.

    For example, I have a desktop system sitting at a buddy's house and it has tons of storage. I can connect to it a few ways or, if I want, I can then tunnel into his network or I can connect to it directly. From there, user controlled shares of storage work. I can just as easily use VNC and actually use the hardware remotely.

    With connectivity as ubiquitous as it is, bandwidth so cheap, and hardware so plentiful... I can't think of a reason to *not* have this sort of configuration.

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  17. Re:Google is shutting down Picasa .. by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 2

    we are kindred spirits. i fart in google's general direction, yet i've been migrating to my owncloud at glacial speeds. I still sync contacts and calendars with evil :(. mainly because i'm afraid if i suddenly die, nobody will be able to maintain my servers. i don't want to leave my whole family stuck with a suddenly broken backend.