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Microsoft Plans To Make Windows 10, Xbox One Game "Crossbuys" A Habit (pcworld.com)

Gamers who preorder Remedy's upcoming Xbox One game, Quantum Break, will receive a free digital copy for Windows 10 PCs -- a "crossbuy" strategy that Microsoft's Xbox chief plans to make a "platform feature" of the gaming console.

Behind the scenes, Microsoft has worked to tie its Windows 10 and Xbox One operating systems closer together, sharing features and data. The Xbox One includes versions of Skype and Microsoft Edge, and Microsoft has said that universal apps written for Windows 10 can theoretically run on the Xbox One, as well as Windows 10 PCs and Windows 10 Mobile phones. Eventually, Microsoft envisions a world where PC and Xbox One gamers will drift between platforms, and where gamers on each platform will be able to compete with one another.

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  1. In related news: Steam by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I bet the news will motivate Steam to port even more games to Linux. And who knows, we might see some Linux-only blockbuster exclusives soon.

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    1. Re:In related news: Steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A game can't be a blockbuster and Linux exclusive. The simple fact of tiny marketshare ensures this is simply not a possibility at the moment and the only way a company would do this is if Steam gave them massive funding (10's of millions) which I doubt is on the cards given how poorly steamboxes have done.

    2. Re:In related news: Steam by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, even as a Windows user, I'm happy Linux is getting more games, but let's please not kid ourselves. A Linux-only blockbuster exclusive is right up there with "year of the desktop" wishful thinking. Windows still has 95% of the desktop market, or something thereabouts. Its only real competition is other platforms which are eating up previously desktop-exclusive functions. The closest we'll get to a Linux-exclusive AAA game in the near future is if it's released exclusively on Android.

      Anyhow, the notion of different platforms competing against each other ignores a pretty obvious issue that gamers and most game designers have known forever. It's not a technical limitation that restricts PC games and console gamers from playing together. It's a difference in control hardware, which ends up making console and PC games very different games with respect to control schemes, and thus game design. For instance, pit a PC FPS player against a console player, and everyone knows who's going to generally have a huge advantage. Same thing with a RTS. It's not a knock against consoles - it's just a reality that a mouse and keyboard is a far more precise and flexible input device, so has a massive advantage in most cross-platform play that's geared to those devices.

      And as far as making cross-platform games... again, the biggest hurdle is not really technical, assuming you're working with a decently designed game engine. It's one of adapting the game design to different form factors and control schemes. My game engine is written in *very* portable C++, with just a very thin layer for OS-specific stuff. It's actually pretty straightforward to port it to new platforms, so long as they have comparable APIs for rendering video and audio, etc.

      Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of cross-buying games across platforms. Many Steam games already do this, so I'm glad they're joining the party.

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    3. Re:In related news: Steam by blind+biker · · Score: 2

      A game can't be a blockbuster and Linux exclusive.

      At the moment.
      Sure, if I had to bet, I'd bet on Windows becoming the de-facto software marketplace, and Microsoft eventually crushing Steam and all the non-Windows game development. But still, Steam and Linux have a chance. Not an insignificant one, either.

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    4. Re:In related news: Steam by Blaskowicz · · Score: 3, Funny

      What about a linux game that ships with compatibility libraries for Windows :). We could even inflict things like a version of Pulseaudio on Windows. Linux users who can't run the linux version on linux will be able to try to run that mess in Wine.

    5. Re:In related news: Steam by interval1066 · · Score: 2

      I hope that happens, I would love to be able to play name brand games on Linux, Windows 10 isn't a habit, its a necessity for most games. A habit I'm loath to have, but there it is.

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    6. Re: In related news: Steam by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      If a studio releases a title for PlayStation 4, they're basically there on a Linux port.

      Not really, no. The PS4 runs a variant of FreeBSD, but that's not the most important distinction. The most important difference between PS4 and Linux is that on the PS4 you can be sure that all the drivers are well-supported.

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    7. Re:In related news: Steam by dimko · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And there is a very good chance it(DX12) won't become one. Vulkan can do pretty much same thing, but also works on Mac, Linux, Android, Iphone, and PS4 and others. It will be released very soon and some big players are already developing engines on it or said will do it as soon as it's released.(any week now it will be released) A few years ago people were sceptical about Linux gaming, now I play Grid Autosport on Steam Controller, and ALL OF THAT is native. And oh boy I like steam controller, and I am a PC gamer! No words can explain how sceptical I was at start.

    8. Re:In related news: Steam by Woldscum · · Score: 2

      Last holiday 2015. PS4 sold 35M. Xbox did 15M. I read some where it is 2 to 1 on total sales. PS4 has games people want to plan. Xbox not so much. Halo 5 was a flop.

    9. Re: In related news: Steam by scdeimos · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'll let you in on a little secret: what host operating system is used is not a pressing issue for most game developers.

      File system access APIs are probably the least critical item on the road map. The biggest problem is the graphics API. Windows favours DirectX, most linuxes favour OpenGL, OS X tends towards OpenGL as well. PlayStation 4, on the other hand, uses Sony's proprietary GNM and GNMX APIs to get access to the custom silicon in the GPU. While PS4's use of GDDR5 is great for on-GPU operations the bandwidth between the system and GPU is atrocious and leads to a whole slew of different performance tuning issues and considerations than you'd see on desktop system. Once you have your engines nailed down on each platform most work goes into tweaking assets to keep graphics performance consistent.

  2. Re:In other words by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Xbox and PS4 are both x86 PCs. If anything every console game is just a specific quality setting that's been well polished. This notion of controls being crappy is ludicrous--it's been 10 years since console controls have seen any major change for first person shooters. It's been 30 years since there's been a major change from WASD and Mouse+Keyboard. It's not like developers have to spent a ton of time refining controls these days. Some games play better or worse with a control pad. I enjoy Rocket League with a control pad and I play Fallout 4 with a control pad... and I just use an XBox One controller on the PC for both. Steam works great with a control pad. I play Battlefield 4 and TF2 with a mouse and keyboard.

    Porting for Windows 10 takes nearly no work. You're developing either a DirectX12 game for Windows or you're developing a DirectX12 game for Windows. Create your art assets at multiple detail levels. Polish your shaders to run at levels that run smoothly on the XBox One. Then for the PC give people the option of cranking the settings and resolution to the Max.

    I don't like to buy Xbox One games anymore because I want to also be able to play them on my laptop with a controller plugged in when I'm on a plane or in a hotel while traveling. I like to be able to play games on my PC at work during lunch. But I also would love to be able to play my same games on my Xbox at home which until recently had a better video card and cpu.

    The Xbox One is just becoming one of many reference PCs like the Surface Pro line. The Xbox One Controller is now available for PC and Xbox One. The Oculus Rift is shipping with an XBox One controller. I can't see how you can defend lock-in with consoles. Why wouldn't you want to play your PC games on your XBox? Why wouldn't you want to play your Xbox games on the PC?

  3. Re: Too much gathering and sharing "data" by blind+biker · · Score: 2

    I have no problems using Linux. I've been a Linux user since 1995. The problem is applications. Without Word, Solidworks and a few others, I am dead in the water.

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  4. Re:In other words by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2

    perhaps because the graphics cards are at least last generation on the consoles?

    Because PC games never release options to run on older graphics cards?

    The PC Master Race has always run a wide variety of hardware from multiple generations, multiple operating systems and hugely diverse control sets. You could play a game like flight simulator on an ancient dinosaur of a business all-in-one or you could crank up the quality settings for the day with the latest in volumetric cloud rendering and atmospheric effects. You could play it with a keyboard, or you could play it with a full custom built cockpit featuring a yoke and pedals.

    But you don't think that a game could target both older PCs and a console which is probably better than 80% of the PC customer's hardware? Give me a break.

  5. Re:In other words by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would a PC game that happens to be running on a console run badly on a PC? I've got breaking news for you: PC games also manage to run on lower spec crummy desktops. The Minimum System Requirements are usually a few generations *older* than the latest consoles. So if you're going to make a cross-release game you just make the PC version and then hardcode the resolution to "1920x1080" and the quality settings to "Textures: Good, Models: Better, Shaders:Best,Lighting: Good." And hit ship.

    Also, this might surprise you but every PC Game you probably play today will work great with an Xbox One controller. Just plug it in and you're good to go. The controls don't suck.

  6. Re: Too much gathering and sharing "data" by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know, every time I try to seriously use Linux, I end up hitting a brick wall of some sort. A few years ago, it was a driver issue that accelerated my laptop's pointer to about 10x faster than I could control, and this was on the lowest setting. Could never figure it out after half a day's research and tinkering, and that was enough for me. Off it went.

    My latest attempt was with Linux Mint (which I really like, btw) in a VM. The most up-to-date version w/ Cinnamon crashes immediately on startup, so I have to use an older version (not a confidence-inspiring start). Initially, my machine connected to my NAS share fine using Samba. Unfortunately, Mercurial can't actually seem to lock files (Windows and Mac have no issues), so I can't push patches to the NAS shared repository, which I use to sync my development machines. Setting up an actual web-based repository - the recommended approach - doesn't look trivial for a Linux noob. Then, my network connection to my NAS disappeared (maybe after an update? not sure), and it won't come back for anything. It's just gone, and a few hours of research and tinkering hasn't brought it back. I looked at trying an alternative protocol (NFS), but had no luck figuring out how to get that to work either. Very frustrating.

    This is how my experience with Linux goes. Every few years I get a hankering to try it, get beaten back by glitches, and think "ok, maybe I'll try again in a few years."

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  7. Re:In other words by jfbilodeau · · Score: 2

    I think that Mass Effect, Tomb Raider and Dragon Age fall more in the RPG category. Not quite the same.

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  8. And yet... by Guspaz · · Score: 2

    Last time Microsoft released a first person Halo game on PC? 9 years ago, with Halo 2, and even that was three years after the console version.

    Put your money where your mouth is, Microsoft.

  9. Re: Too much gathering and sharing "data" by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    I have no problems using Linux. I've been a Linux user since 1995. The problem is applications. Without Word, Solidworks and a few others, I am dead in the water.

    I needed cross platform compatibility, so that makes Word a non-starter. If a document prepared in word on a Windows machine breaks when you take it to Mac - it's a big fail

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  10. Re: Too much gathering and sharing "data" by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know, every time I try to seriously use Linux, I end up hitting a brick wall of some sort. A few years ago, it was a driver issue that accelerated my laptop's pointer to about 10x faster than I could control, and this was on the lowest setting. Could never figure it out after half a day's research and tinkering, and that was enough for me. Off it went.

    My latest attempt was with Linux Mint (which I really like, btw) in a VM. The most up-to-date version w/ Cinnamon crashes immediately on startup, so I have to use an older version (not a confidence-inspiring start). Initially, my machine connected to my NAS share fine using Samba. Unfortunately, Mercurial can't actually seem to lock files (Windows and Mac have no issues), so I can't push patches to the NAS shared repository, which I use to sync my development machines. Setting up an actual web-based repository - the recommended approach - doesn't look trivial for a Linux noob. Then, my network connection to my NAS disappeared (maybe after an update? not sure), and it won't come back for anything. It's just gone, and a few hours of research and tinkering hasn't brought it back. I looked at trying an alternative protocol (NFS), but had no luck figuring out how to get that to work either. Very frustrating.

    This is how my experience with Linux goes. Every few years I get a hankering to try it, get beaten back by glitches, and think "ok, maybe I'll try again in a few years."

    Here here.

    The rapid anti Windows 10/8 on slashdot has many users screaming the world is coming to an end and I am switching to LINUX!

    In reality I experienced the opposite by 2011 and gave up. Back then Windows 7 was amazing and aero was everything I wished gnome 2 would turn into when gnome3 came out :-( At the time I never had the wildest claim that MS would ever release a bad GUI so Windows fanboy I became after years and years of anti MS hatred.

    What the changed me was my exwife. She said get this garbage off your system and go get a better job. I said excuse me?? She said her Vista works just fine but funny how I can't ever get Linux to just work. I went on saying WINDOWS SUX LINUX RUX etc etc. She claimed well how is it that you re-install that OS each time an update comes and xorg breaks? How about that time you tried to get ngnix working and forget how to fix it? Sigh

    She was right. I was a freebsd fan at 1st and felt Linux to be more grown than designed and after 10 years gave up on Linux.

    Folks I know this is a pro Linux website and I am serious not a troll as I read my posts from 2002 threatening to leave IT forever if Windows Server takes :-) ... but, let's face it. Why do people need to be liberated? Windows most of the time is reliable and works thanks to NT/XP replacing 98. The 1990s are long long over and MS is not based on DOS anymore people! If you haven't ran Windows in 15 years this maybe surprising but for gamers like my exwife she wants ventrillo and World of warcraft to always work and not have an update break something or use a hack in WINE.

    The only arguments I hear is spyware (but you all run smart TV's and use Android phones and Chrome) , reliability (Windows is more reliable on the desktop for about 10 years now), GUI (Windows 10 is fine and it is fear of change and familiarity). It is the same start menu but the icons now are more animated. OMG END OF THE WORLD. So take the tiles off and bam you got XP style start menu again.

    I love FreeBSD and yes Linux. No really it has it's use as VM for development work and for certain servers. But I hate it on the desktop. I prefer Windows or MacOSX for the desktop and Unix for the Vm's. Let's face it who the hell wants to replace Excel, Witchers 3, and Photoshop for OpenOffice, TuxRacer, and the Gimp or kIllustrator? You love screwdrivers and that is fine. But hammers are needed too

  11. Re:In other words by kuzb · · Score: 2

    The part where your ridiculous argument tends to fall apart is that most modern games still run on 5-year old hardware.

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  12. Linux on 5 laptops and 3 desktops by future+assassin · · Score: 2

    in the last 10 years and the only issues I had was getting the Broadcom wifi chip working on the Dell Inspirion laptops. Hell I had Hercules RMX/MIXXX operating with a few tiny issues.

    Sure there might be some issues here and there you might run into but you make it sound like a cluster fuck when you try Linux. I can't even phantom why anyone would want to go into Windows 10 with the we'll rape you in the ass while spying on you features.

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  13. Re:In other words by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    RTS... Mass Effect....

    *faceplam*

  14. Re: Too much gathering and sharing "data" by bingoUV · · Score: 2

    The only arguments I hear is spyware (but you all run smart TV's and use Android phones and Chrome) , reliability (Windows is more reliable on the desktop for about 10 years now), GUI (Windows 10 is fine and it is fear of change and familiarity). It is the same start menu but the icons now are more animated. OMG END OF THE WORLD. So take the tiles off and bam you got XP style start menu again.

    1. Spyware : Why would people cribbing about spyware in Windows use smart TVs? Android phones run cyanogenmod with Xprivacy nicely - and Google's shit can be culled once and for-all, and important security updates on cyanogenmod don't reinstall Google's shit unless you block 153 Google hostnames / IP addresses. Firefox still beats Chrome in privacy enhancement and tree-style-tabs add-ons - and on Linux the performance problems of Firefox are nearly non-existent.

    2. Reliability : Does it yet shut down unmounting all file-systems reliably in 3 seconds, without different applications calling attention to themselves when you are trying to shut down your computer. Does it have reliable update mechanism for most of the applications one is likely to use - and doesn't depend on the application having write permission on its own executable? Because that is a horrible security escalation risk. Hell - is the alt-tab behaviour reliable yet where windows are ordered in last used order - or Microsoft reorders your windows according to its own whims every few minutes?

    Do I sense the reliability of snapshotting filesystems on Windows yet? Or the reliability of simple file copy backups without other programs that opened the files prevent simple applications from copying the files at all?

    3. GUI : Does Windows give you choice of changing GUI every day vs. stable GUI since 1995 (FVWM) according to your tastes? In spite of getting security updates, which are really security updates rather than "telemetry" ? Does it give you the right to fear and avoid change vs welcome change in your daily work flow without annoying pop-ups to update your work-flow to suit Microsoft?

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  15. Re: That's nice and all but by m76 · · Score: 2

    Haven't you heard? MS laid off most of it's QA staff. They're basically leaving testing to the end user, that's why they gone out of their way to implement telemetry. Windows will never be final from now on, it'll remain in a perpetual alpha state, as new and new untested updates are installed forcibly.