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Software Freedom Conservancy: Distributing Linux With ZFS Is Illegal (phoronix.com)

LichtSpektren writes: Phoronix reports that Bradley M. Kuhn and Karen M. Sandler at the Software Freedom Conservancy (SFS) have posted a blog post today arguing that Canonical's plan to distribute Ubuntu 16.04 LTS "Xenial Xerus" with support for the ZFS file system violates the Linux kernel's GPLv2 license.

On February 18, Dustin Kirkland at Canonical wrote on his blog: "We at Canonical have conducted a legal review, including discussion with the industry's leading software freedom legal counsel, of the licenses that apply to the Linux kernel and to ZFS. And in doing so, we have concluded that we are acting within the rights granted and in compliance with their terms of both of those licenses...The CDDL cannot apply to the Linux kernel because zfs.ko is a self-contained file system module — the kernel itself is quite obviously not a derivative work of this new file system. And zfs.ko, as a self-contained file system module, is clearly not a derivative work of the Linux kernel but rather quite obviously a derivative work of OpenZFS and OpenSolaris. Equivalent exceptions have existed for many years, for various other stand alone, self-contained, non-GPL kernel modules. Our conclusion is good for Ubuntu users, good for Linux, and good for all of free and open source software."

The SFS's blog post of today states: "We are sympathetic to Canonical's frustration in this desire to easily support more features for their users. However, as set out below, we have concluded that their distribution of zfs.ko violates the GPL."

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  1. No winners here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not sure what anyone would stand to gain by arguing that Ubuntu is violating the GPLv2 license. It seems kind of ridiculous.

    1. Re:No winners here. by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As usual, it has less to do with the specific example as it has to do with precedents that may not be desirable. It seems like if you release these two things "separately", then nothing is wrong. However by including this other binary with this problematic license as part of a single distribution you are "apparently" breaking the terms of the GPLv2 which requires the distribution be under GPLv2.

      Hairs can be split about what a "distrubution" is. I can add ZFS to my own system and not be wrong. Why cannot a script add ZFS to my system for me during install? When does it become a "distribution", given that most of us don't install from optical media anymore, and frequently download bits and pieces as we need them for our system anyway. I'm trying to see the evil here that this narrowly avoids, but I don't yet...provided the terms of the various pieces of software are still met on their own.

    2. Re:No winners here. by epine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Having the user compile them is just another means of distributing a binary.

      You're the reason the rest of us have to constantly write IANAL as if that's the only thing that makes it permissible to so much as clear your throat, when all that really needs to be clear is that we're capable of distinguishing A from B to any necessary degree.

      "Having people cook their own pseudoephedrine is just another means of distributing methamphetamine."

      Actually, no. What you actually distribute, and the end result of what people are perhaps likely to do with it are two entirely different things. This is not Hair Splitting 101 with a laser scalpel. This is retiring your flexible plastic picnic knife. There exist, of course, various ways to spin language to link these things together, if that is indeed desired. But then we should be analyzing that extra language, not wishing it into existence by waving our hands and muttering "kids there days".

      Digression: Lawyers might make better guesses about the "necessary degree", but in practice lawyers are about as useful as political pundits empanelled on ISIS Today in speculating about the future will of the court. Maybe we should just all write CTLNKS instead (concerning the law, nobody knows shit). The main difference between critical thought at large and your lawyer is mainly that your lawyer can get into heaps of trouble by giving you a failing grade of shit. Pretty much the only thing I really want from intelligent agents of xmas future is to see the profession of law refactored, with all of their muddles and uncertainties hopelessly exposed to eternal ridicule, until we actually find in necessary to draft legislation to a sane standard (including an automated regression test suite, an unintended consequence verification gauntlet, and some Valgrind fuzz testing).

      Back to the matter at hand, I completely disagree that this analysis should start with the semantics of static/dynamic linkage.

      The real question should be this: if zfs.ko is erased from your system, does what remains function 99.99% the same way, minus only those features that zfs.ko provides?

      With static linkage you can't do this, and thus you can't ask this question, either.

      The key issue here is separability. What natural line exists between dynamic linkage and a ZeroMQ socket layer? And what about Joyent's "double hull" virtualization where ZFS is native to the underlying OS which provides a Linux API to the client OS? "Linking" is just indirection with more established history. And we all know you can solve every problem in computer science with another layer of indirection, except for too many layers of indirection.

      I think my "separability" question above is far more likely to be legally productive, but then IANAL YMMV & CTLNKS.

  2. SFS? More like FFS... by Bearhouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why oh why do we have to keep shooting ourselves in the foot?
    OK I'm a BSD user so, well, stones and glass houses, but even so the open source community's continuing ability to why things should not be allowed is depressing...most people in our crowd want our stuff to be USED by as many people as possible...

    1. Re:SFS? More like FFS... by edtice1559 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The goal of the GPL is not to get the most widely used software (although that's a noble goal). The goal is to ensure that the users of the software are able to maintain and secure it so they don't get left hanging out to dry if something happens to their upstream vendor. When you receive software under the GPL you expect to have these freedoms. When software with multiple licenses is combined, users have to become lawyers to know what rights they actually have and whether these freedoms are protected. I'm not sure it's a concern in this particular case since both GPL and CDDLv1 protect the user's rights. (It's only distributors who are affected by this). But knowing that you can secure and maintain software is valuable. It would be undesirable to get into a situation where you think you have that right, but it turns out that you don't.

  3. It isn't features, it is stability + features by poet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Linux does not have a stable file-system and volume manager that can come anywhere near the performance and stability of ZFS.

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  4. SFS/FSF does not get to rule on GPL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Linux Foundation, as the copyright holder of the Linux kernel, gets to determine what is and is not allowed.

    This is matter does not involve Software Freedom Conservancy (SFS) or Free Software Foundation (FSF), they are are not even parties to the copyright license used for the Linux kernel.

    In my professional opinion, Canonical can feel free to tell SFS to go pound sand.

    1. Re:SFS/FSF does not get to rule on GPL by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. The SFC is not the owner of either of the works in question and is not the author of the license in question. They have no stake or standing in the matter.

      As authors of the GPL itself, I would say that Stallman or the FSF do have some say in the matter.

      The SFC can go pound sand...

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    2. Re:SFS/FSF does not get to rule on GPL by slashping · · Score: 4, Insightful

      SFC only advises and warns, just like the FSF could do. Ultimately it's the copyright holders that can sue in court, and then it will be a judge or jury that decide the matter.

    3. Re:SFS/FSF does not get to rule on GPL by edtice1559 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      IANAL but it's not required to assign the copyright to the Linux foundation. Many people contribute to the Kernel. It's GPL so you could fork it. And the Linux Foundation would definitely *not* automatically get copyright to your version. It's ultimately the Linux Foundation who could prove copyright to large swaths and take action bu the foundation could not take the kernel as is and relicense it under GPLv3 for example. They'd have to rewrite all the parts for which they don't hold the copyright.

    4. Re:SFS/FSF does not get to rule on GPL by Olipro · · Score: 4, Informative

      Copyright of the Linux Kernel is actually spread across all its contributors, The Linux Foundation doesn't have any overriding ownership. Though of course any particular author(s) code could be excised from it in order to make their copyright irrelevant.

      In any case though, the copyright holders get to determine what licenses or permissions to grant over the work, they don't get to then decide how the license should be interpreted - that's up to an arbitrator or a court. If Canonical's lawyers are incorrect in their interpretation then someone will need to bring a court case to have it resolved.

    5. Re:SFS/FSF does not get to rule on GPL by Lord+Crc · · Score: 5, Informative

      The SFC is not the owner of either of the works in question and is not the author of the license in question. They have no stake or standing in the matter.

      It seems they do have a stake:

      The GPL Compliance Project for Linux Developers is comprised of copyright holders in the kernel, Linux, who have contributed to Linux under its license, the GPLv2. These copyright holders have formally asked Conservancy to engage in compliance efforts for their copyrights in the Linux kernel. In addition, some developers have directly assigned their copyrights on Linux to Conservancy, so Conservancy also enforces the GPL on Linux via its own copyrights in Linux.

      From https://sfconservancy.org/copy...

  5. Re:Software Freedom? by slashping · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's no such thing as unlimited freedom. You have to pick the freedoms you care about, and then forbid those that would violate it.

  6. Linus doesn't object to binary kernel modules by edtice1559 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Regardless of the legal situation, the holder of the copyright to the vast majority of the kernel doesn't object to binary modules. There are those who would argue that even certain user-space binaries are a GPL violation. Fortunately those voices haven't prevailed. I guess, at some point, to squelch any doubts, ZFS will have to get turned into something akin to a hybrid driver where code to load interchangeable binary blobs with a certain interface is contributed to the kernel under GPL and the blobs come with their own license. In this case it will be CDDLv1. This is somewhat of a PITA but it's actually good in the medium-term because it means that users face less ambiguity in terms of knowing under which license they are receiving code.

  7. Hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >The FSF, stewards of the GPL, have stated many times over the past decades that they believe there is no legal distinction between dynamic and static linking of a C program and we agree.

    The FSF is almost certainly wrong in this. Linking isn't going to even be considered in a court room. What they *will* consider is whether or not zfs.ko contains derivative work from Linux. Headers are now subject to copyright (as is my understanding) so it's very possible that it does. However, if they use "api-only" headers, such as posix stuff and it does not rely on being compiled against the GPL-ed version of the headers, then they are most likely going to be free and clear of any issues.

    Personally, the SFC can go eat a bag of dicks and die in a fire.

  8. What's the Conservancy's role in this? by bradley13 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Reading their piece, they sound like they are lawyers looking for a client, like they want to take Canonical to court over this. One likes to think that anyone who defends OSS must be on the side of the light, but I note that the Conservancy sued companies using Busybox over the objections of at least some of the copyright holders. This quote is kind of interesting:

    "But that didn't stop them from creating a self-funding legal machine where they never found any actual useful code that should have gone upstream, but they still demanded $15k or so in legal fees each time so they could go sue the next company."

    For those who didn't RTFA, the core of the question is this: Is a Linux distro that contains a ZFS module a combined product, derived from Linux and/or ZFS? Or are they two independent items that happen to be delivered in the same package. The Conservancy states "we have yet to encounter a Linux module that — when distributed in binary form — did not, in our view, yield combined work with Linux", and then they go on to say that the intend to "exhaust every diplomatic option...before seeking resolution from the courts".

    Only: nobody is asking them to take anyone to court. If Oracle doesn't like this (they are the primary holder of ZFS copyrights), I'm sure they have their own lawyers. So WTF is going on here? Instead of a patent troll, maybe we have a GPL troll?

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  9. Re:Software Freedom? by drew_kime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, Software Freedom means that you can't do what you want with your software? Is this one of those Richard Stalin - I mean, Stallman - groups or something?

    If you didn't write it, it's not your software. You can acquire the right to use it in exchange for your agreement to the terms of the license. The freedom part comes in where the terms of the license say that you get to modify and distribute it without anyone's permission. Again, in exchange for your agreement to the terms of the license.

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  10. Software Freedom Conspiracy by wjcofkc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've read both arguments, and since I know everyone posting here has also (right?), I won't bother with too much of a critique.

    I have to side with Canonical on this one. Their short and sweet post pretty much puts to bed the legal ramblings of the Software Freedom Conservancy. The SFS article reads like they started out trying to make a point, then has to fallback on an academic lesson on GPL Incompatibility and Combined/Derivative works. I would go so far as to say their verbosity defeats their own argument, while managing to inset the letters "ZFS" wherever they can find room.

    Past that, as someone who uses ZFS on FreeBSD, ZFS is pretty fucking useful. Canonical's legal inclusion of ZFS as self-contained file system module is a big step forward for Linux.

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  11. Re:Software Freedom? by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's not like Stallman makes no sense. Imagine 2 societies. Society A in which you are free to enter into any contract want, and society B which is exactly like Society A except that contracts that involve slavery are not legal. Which society has more freedom?

    Society A provides the additional freedom to to sell oneself into slavery, so society A is more free.

    Society B lacks the freedom to to sell oneself into slavery, so society B is more free.

    Which of these statements is true? It's just a pointless semantic debate that depends on your personal definition of a "free society". Is agreeing to use commercial software similar selling yourself into slavery? Not really, but I think it's still an appropriate analogy even if the magnitude of the consequences are not comparable.

  12. Lawyer: Linux is not *quite* GPL by hawk · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am a lawyer, but this is not legal advice. If you want legal advice, pay my retainer.

    There is a *really* big hole in the analysis.

    Linux is *not* quite GPL; it, like many others, is better understood as "quasi-GPL", or QGPL.

    Since pretty much the beginning, the Linux developers approved, condoned, and encouraged binary, non-GPL modules. Standard legal analysis means that this trumps the boilerplate of the license/contract.

    The second serious error is arguing about the FSF position on linking. Under the rules of legal analysis, the author of a document's opinion is weighted at pretty much nothing: the author had his chance, and later comments are irrelevant. That is, there are about 7 billion people whose opinions on interpreting it come first.

    Now whether distributing Linux with that module violates Sun's CDL could be an entirely different issue; I've never looked at it.

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