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Mercedes-Benz Swaps Robots For People On Assembly Lines (theguardian.com)

The usual narrative in the last few years is that robots relentlessly displace humans in today's highly mechanized workplaces (like factories and mines), but sometimes robots' speed and dexterity can't overcome their basic problem -- namely, they're robots. Reader jones_supa writes with this story from The Guardian about why robots aren't always the right tool, excerpting: Bucking modern manufacturing trends, carmaker Mercedes-Benz has been forced to trade in some of its assembly line robots for more flexible humans. The robots cannot handle the pace of change and the complexity of the key customization options available for the company's S-Class saloon at the 101-year-old Sindelfingen plant, which produces 400,000 vehicles a year from 1,500 tons of steel a day. The dizzying number of options for the cars – from heated or cooled cup holders, various wheels, carbon-fibre trims and decals, and even four types of caps for tire valves – demand adaptability, a quality that is still more easily fulfilled by humans than robots.

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  1. Predictable... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The robots wanted better working conditions and got replaced by humans. Damn corporations!

  2. Some jobs will always be safe by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The threshold for profitable robotic replacement does keep dropping.

    People are flawed creatures capable of manufacturing more profitable iterations of themselves for the workplace.

    What jobs are safest?

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    1. Re:Some jobs will always be safe by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "What jobs are safest?"

      Robot programming? Until they can program themselves of course.

      Of course once enough blue & white collar people are put out of work by automation and a threshold is crossed whereby massive social unrest ensues then the standard corporate goal of reducing costs no matter what will have to be re-evaluated. Either voluntarily or by force.

    2. Re:Some jobs will always be safe by MasseKid · · Score: 5, Informative

      If we can have Robots that make everything for nothing, including themselves, then we will be in a Utopia as no one will have want for anything. If there is a dictatorship (economic or not) that keeps people from having things that are no longer a scare resource, that is a problem that has nothing to do with robotics.

    3. Re:Some jobs will always be safe by peragrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well that sounds like the top 5% aren't giving the bottom 40% enough money to begin with. If the bottom 40% were paid more then they wouldn't need government redistribution.

      Seriously what makes a better company. Paying the employees who work for a living more or paying the cep another 2 million in compensation on top of his 10 million a year?

      The janitors generally work harder and longer hours than CEOs. As the janitors don't get 6-12 weeks of paid vacation a year.

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    4. Re:Some jobs will always be safe by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Seriously what makes a better company. Paying the employees who work for a living more or paying the cep another 2 million in compensation on top of his 10 million a year?

      Was Apple successful because of Steve Jobs, or because they had better assembly line workers than their competitors?

      The janitors generally work harder and longer hours than CEOs.

      Subsistence farmers in Africa work even harder.

    5. Re:Some jobs will always be safe by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For some start-up, sure, being the CEO does require a lot of drive and intelligence. You don't put together a company from scratch without a lot of talent and smarts.

      For some well-established company, no. A lot of those CEOs aren't all that intelligent. They got those jobs because of their networking skills; they went to the right colleges, joined the right fraternities, went to the right country clubs, developed the right contacts, etc. That's how they got those jobs. They don't have to be all that smart, they just have to be reasonably decent at picking VPs to do the hard work for them, and then just show up for all the functions they're supposed to show up for. Basically, a CEO at companies like that is little more than the public face of the company, a figurehead. A reasonably-intelligent and socially-skilled janitor could do it just as well.

  3. What's "They took yer jerbs!" in binary? by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe the robots can ask for unemployment.

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  4. not replacing robots by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Mercedes is shifting to what it calls “robot farming” - equipping workers with an array of smaller, lighter machines. ...
    The change will mean smaller, more flexible systems that work side-by-side with humans will replace some of the large traditional robotic machines, including in the production of the new Mercedes E-Class. A human or a lightweight machine will replace two fixed robots for the alignment of the car’s new heads-up display, which projects speed and directions on to the windshield.

    the basic problem is that Mercedes invested in large fixed machines that are limited in their abilities. they are temporarily relieving some of the large robots of certain duties to let more agile robots do the job. until the more agile robots are 100% ready, human will be assisting the robots.

    it's 2016 and it's about time companies start investing in manufacturing machines that have hands with dexterity equal to humans. also, robotics companies need to develop better programming interfaces so that the robots can be taught what to do rather than directly programmed.

    robots are still center stage here and humans are going to be on the sidelines again shortly.

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  5. Replicating the human hand by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    it's 2016 and it's about time companies start investing in manufacturing machines that have hands with dexterity equal to humans.

    For specific tasks we have devices that already exceed human dexterity. Sometimes by a lot. The challenge isn't really dexterity as much as programability. We can make devices that hugely exceed human precision for many tasks. Replicating a human hand as an end effector is kind of a pointless and expensive exercise for most tasks. There are much more optimal designs depending on what you are doing. For example having a robotic copy of a human hand holding a welding torch is pointless complication and adds a lot of cost. There are people working on anthro designs but mostly for academic rather than practical purposes. I suspect you'll see it in places but as a general proposition replicating the human body isn't often the best approach to problem solving.

    also, robotics companies need to develop better programming interfaces so that the robots can be taught what to do rather than directly programmed.

    Already done. I was working with VR programming of robots for assembly line work 15 years ago in my day job and there has been progress since then.

  6. Janitors do not work longer and harder than CEOs by sjbe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The janitors generally work harder and longer hours than CEOs.

    No as a matter of fact janitors do NOT work harder and longer than the CEOs. The fact that you say that shows that you have no idea what a CEO of a large company actually does or the sort of hours they put in. I'll presume you know what a janitor does but I've yet to meet one who works harder than a CEO. They also provide quite a lot less value to a company and are far more easily replaced.

    Are a lot of CEOs overpaid? Certainly. Are a lot of rank and file workers underpaid? Of course. But let's not get absurd about the relative value or typical work ethic of janitors.

    As the janitors don't get 6-12 weeks of paid vacation a year.

    Neither do most CEOs and even if they did, most couldn't really take it. Being CEO of a large corporation is a pretty all consuming job. You don't get to that job by taking a lot of time off and you certainly don't stay there by taking time off.

  7. Energy too cheap to meter - heard that before by sjbe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In a world without labor cost, where robots can produce windmills, solar panels, and geothermal plants, even energy will have near zero cost.

    Not according to anyone who has even a basic understanding of accounting. Even if the production of those things could be completely automated (it cannot without invoking science fiction) there still are costs of materials, cost of financing, limited amounts of land, environmental costs, cost of tooling, cost of design, and plenty of other non-trivial costs that you aren't considering. The fact that you take direct labor to approximately zero doesn't make it free. Not even close.

    By the way we've heard the "energy too cheap to meter" argument before. It was bogus then and it is bogus now.