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Samsung Ships 15.38TB SSD With Up To 1,200MBps Performance (computerworld.com)

Lucas123 writes: Samsung announced it is now shipping the world's highest capacity 2.5-in SSD, the 15.38TB PM1633a. The new SSD uses a 12Gbps SAS interface and is being marketed for use in enterprise-class storage systems where IT managers can fit twice as many of the drives in a standard 19-inch, 2U rack compared to an equivalent 3.5-inch drive. The PM1633a sports random read/write speeds of up to 200,000 and 32,000 IOPS, respectively. It delivers sequential read/write speeds of up to 1,200MBps, the company said. The SSD can sustain one full drive write (15.38TB) per day, every day over its life, which Samsung claims is two to ten times more data than typical SATA SSDs based on planar MLC and TLC NAND flash technologies. The SSD is based on Samsung's 48-layer V-NAND (3D NAND) technology, which also uses 3-bit MLC flash. Also at Hot Hardware

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  1. How much is it at Newegg? by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Funny

    I could REALLY use that for my gaming rig.

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    1. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by BlacKSacrificE · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sure, you need all that storage for a "gaming" rig.

      The toilet paper roll on your desk is just for wiping your nose as well, right? ;)

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    2. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      That and an 8-way Xeon system with a couple TB of RAM, I presume? To play a console port...

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    3. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      Not fair! I get slightly higher fps than a console.

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    4. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by vampyretech · · Score: 2

      Sure, you need all that storage for a "gaming" rig.

      Of course he does, have you seen the storage requirements for Quantum Break?

    5. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      You spelled porn wrong.

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    6. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by Gazzonyx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We're all guilty of having overpowered machines from time to time (because when we need that horsepower, there's no alternative to having it local). In a somewhat related subject, I've got triple monitors that have beautiful color... I assume. They've all got green on transparent consoles on them at about 120 columns wide. It's enough to make a graphic designer cry.

      That being said, my laptop is a special order ThinkPad (i7 w/ 8 threads@~3.2GHz, maxed out RAM, 1/2 TB SSD, etc) - I think I get maybe 90 minutes on a 12 cell extended battery and I have docking stations at home and work because all that power means it ain't really portable for most definitions of "portable" (or at least for very long). Also makes a great heater during the Minnesota winter. There's nothing wrong with wanting a powerful machine, so long as you accept the trade offs you're making to have that power.

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    7. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by rossdee · · Score: 1

      Thats why you buy from Newegg
      No sales tax

      At least where I live

      OTOH we have to pay sales tax at Amazon now.

      So which of the candidates for President is going to abolish sales tax?

    8. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by malditaenvidia · · Score: 3, Funny

      I get slightly higher fps than a console.

      PC gaming master race wins again!

    9. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 1

      With downloadable games from Steam, Origin, etc running around 20-25GB, it would come in handy. What were you thinking? He was some kinda pirate?

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    10. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Sure, you need all that storage for a "gaming" rig."

      I see you've never tried to run a SecondLife sim.

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    11. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Bernie?? Oh wait, nope, he is gonna expand just about every tax out there ... to pay for all the "free" stuff he is giving away.

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    12. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 1

      "gaming" rig

      The toilet paper roll on your desk is just for wiping your nose as well, right? ;)

      Really? Missed the porn and masturbation joke? I think a proper woosh is in order. This one is pretty good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    13. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      We could do ALL of those things and still come up short on Bernie's promises. Pretty much everything the guy is promising is a fantasy. That's his only redeeming quality. His agenda is too absurd. Unfortunately, far too few people understand the mechanics of American governance (forget about political science).

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    14. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by sudon't · · Score: 1

      Haha! That crazy Bernie Sanders. He thinks that, just because the first world countries can do all that, we can do it in the US. What a nut!

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    15. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Sure, you need all that storage for a "gaming" rig.
        The toilet paper roll on your desk is just for wiping your nose as well, right? ;)

      Yes, you could download the entire San Fernando Valley onto one of those puppies.

    16. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      ...oh, those other countries that are totally kicking the US's butt economically? oh wait, they're not. They have very high tax rates on the citizens and they're not the envy of the world, with people risking their lives to go there.

    17. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Anything that cutting edge will cost as much as 5 of your gaming rigs put together.

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    18. Re:How much is it at Newegg? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      How can you say it is low when there are 11 million already here illegally..

      lack of opportunity? As I said, why do people KEEP coming here if there's no opportunity?

      Yes, we should have "single payer". The payer being the one getting the healthcare.. Not me paying for your health care, not you paying for my health care.. at least not *mandated*. Yes, things like insurance are averaging out costs between many people.. But even car insurance is not mandatory as people think. One can use a bond as proof of having the money to pay, instead of insurance.

  2. LoC by CMU_Ken · · Score: 1

    15.38 TB? That's only like 1 Library of Congress.

    1. Re:LoC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How much is that in football fields?

    2. Re:LoC by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The units in TFS are messed up. So it's 15.38TB... Assuming the stupid new IEC decimal units, not real 2^40 terabytes. But then performance is measured in MBps, or megabytes per second. TFA compares 1,200 with the typical figure of 550 MBps for consumer SSDs, but that's 2^20 byte megabytes measured by benchmarking software. Who knows if Samsung uses the same units, or is trying to screw up with decimal megabytes.

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    3. Re:LoC by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Well assuming we can encode 6.6 bits in a players 2 digit shirt number, 1 bit in his side, 2 bits in the players skin color, 2 in his hair color, 3 in his hairstyle, 1 bit for presence or absence of underwear and rely on him to remember a number between 0 and 1023 we can encode 563.2 bits per 22 players.

      So somewhere in the region of 218.5 billion football fields.

      Is that real math?

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    4. Re:LoC by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      1 bit for presence or absence of underwear

      But without them you lose all the barcode info on the back!

    5. Re:LoC by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      The units in TFS are messed up. So it's 15.38TB... Assuming the stupid new IEC decimal units, not real 2^40 terabytes. But then performance is measured in MBps, or megabytes per second. TFA compares 1,200 with the typical figure of 550 MBps for consumer SSDs, but that's 2^20 byte megabytes measured by benchmarking software. Who knows if Samsung uses the same units, or is trying to screw up with decimal megabytes.

      Which is why you use those "stupid units" so you don't confuse TB/TiB and MB/MiB. Though I just assume it's all decimal because it's not only easier, it makes numbers look bigger and thus, people use it over base-2. Since it's storage, it's almost always in decimal, at that.

      Still, 1.2GB/sec is not that impressive - I think even a reasonably priced MacBook already gets that speed off its PCIe SSD, if not higher (1.2-1.7GB/sec). Granted, they're only up to 1/2 TB now in size, so this thing's roughly 30 times bigger, but still.

      SATA3 gets 540MB/sec typically fully loaded, so this SSD using SAS is getting a little over twice that. It's why consumer SSDs have started migrating to PCIe.

    6. Re:LoC by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      With SSDs, it is possible it is not the decimal units, around half the drives are base 2 sizes from what i have found. I however am not sure how you would arrive at 15.38TB. If I assume is is 16 TIB I get 17.59 TB or 16 TB comes out as 14.55 TiB, so I am not sure where 15.38 TB comes from at all. Perhaps there is some kind of loss to the slack used for reassigning bad bits though.

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    7. Re:LoC by slashping · · Score: 1

      I for one would rather calculate with factors of 1000 than 1024. The only place where the binary units made sense was in parallel addressable memory where you have a bunch of N address wires making 2^N possible combinations. For speeds and other forms of storage, the decimal units make a lot more sense.

    8. Re:LoC by xaxa · · Score: 1

      All SSDs have plenty of spare blocks, so the final size is a decision on how many spare blocks to allocate. Measuring in a power of 1024 makes little more sense than for a hard drive.

      For one example, my SSD is 256GB:

      Disk /dev/sdg: 238.5 GiB, 256060514304 bytes

  3. 2.5 hdd in 19" racks aren't new... by jofas · · Score: 2, Funny

    "where IT managers can fit twice as many of the drives in a standard 19-inch, 2U rack compared to an equivalent 3.5-inch drive." LOL! Who ARE these editors? Fresh out of high school?

    1. Re:2.5 hdd in 19" racks aren't new... by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      What is new is that now the IT MANAGERS can do it. Previously it was only possible by non-managers.

    2. Re:2.5 hdd in 19" racks aren't new... by swb · · Score: 1

      Not new, but it's surprising how many more 3.5" enclosures there are than 2.5" enclosures.

    3. Re:2.5 hdd in 19" racks aren't new... by houghi · · Score: 1

      From what I have seen, they are all front loaded. Would it not be better to have them top loaded? e.g. have a drawer that you pull out and then have the SSDs mounted vertically with the contact at the bottom.
      I would imagine you could place a lot more in them as they can be closer together as the full depth could be used. Could be that it has to be 3 units instead of a 2 unit.
      So just a print plate the depth of the rack with a lot of SSD connectors on them. Plug them all in and you are done. Obvious some space needs to be reserved for some other parts.

      Any reason why this has not been done?

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    4. Re:2.5 hdd in 19" racks aren't new... by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I know this is a 'funny', but putting a drive into a rack is trivial compared to getting a requisition approved in most organizations ;-)

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    5. Re:2.5 hdd in 19" racks aren't new... by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      24 (25) 2.5 across a 2u is nothing new. Supermicro and others can double that 50 in a 2u but they can also get 72 3.5's in a 4ru and thats with a sever as well 90 without.

      If your talking about SSD's sas/sata is a dead end not enough performance. NMVe is what ssd's are moving to in enterprise, Mind you something like that your looking at 4 pcie lanes per devices 48 devices your a bit oversubscribed.

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    6. Re:2.5 hdd in 19" racks aren't new... by swb · · Score: 1

      Compellent make a top-loading enclosure like this.

      I think the reason they're loss common is that this kind of storage density has been pretty uncommon until relatively recently. Drive sizes have grown fast enough that the same 12 or 24 drive front loading shelf met a lot of needs over time.

      The power consumption of a rack with a couple of 80 HDD drawers would be pretty intense, too.

    7. Re:2.5 hdd in 19" racks aren't new... by slashping · · Score: 2

      Any reason why this has not been done?

      People prefer to load the disks from the front, and then tip over the racks so they lay flat on the floor.

    8. Re:2.5 hdd in 19" racks aren't new... by slaingod · · Score: 1

      They say it fits "a 2.5 inch form factor", not "the 2.5 inch form factor". Looking at the picture, it certainly looks like the drive is 'taller' than a normal 11mm or so SSD designed for laptops, taking up a larger volume than normal. Not sure what "the" 2.5 inch form factor allows. While probably not taking up half the volume of a 3.5 inch drive, it may be close enough to not allow more than 2 in the same space, especially given the need for connectivity to the drive for power and data.

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  4. Re: Price? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's it? I remember people dropping $3000 on a 30MB hard drive. Small business people. When $3000 was half the cost of a new car. Back whenn Americans were wealthier, in real terms.

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  5. Re: Price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nobody will ever need more that 30TB hard drive space. They can fit any extra on a 5 1/4" floppy.

  6. Re:Huge advances by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

    Not a counter argument, but VSAN will/should put most raid arrays out of business too.

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  7. Re: Price? by ledow · · Score: 1

    The 1 -> 2Mb upgrade on my first PC cost more than that.

  8. Re:Obligatory by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of those.

  9. Real consequences by info6568 · · Score: 1

    I have been working on enterprise-grade applications running on Raspberry-Pi type of computers. In this case, less is more (less trashing resources produce better usage). And it is possible to execute transactional monitors with a mere 6 megabyte of RAM, so the overall 1 gigabyte of memory on those machines is good enough for complex tasks when it is wisely used.

    And now we have more than 15 terabyte SSDs that it is like to lost a needle not on a haystack but on the milky way.

    Of course, it is possible to use that space on gaming or raw video storage, even on hungry relational database storage, but what could be done when working with care? There are applications only the imagination can figure about this type of fast, power saving and huge storage. And there are other consequences also: better and cheaper low level SSDs ( ) for general usage, that could really break the hard-disk kingdom.

  10. Better off with an PCI-e one by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Better off with an PCI-e one. Cheaper too as this will also need a high end SAS card as well to make use of that speed.

  11. with 4 X16 PCI-e video cards by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    with 4 X16 PCI-e video cards (running at full pci-e 3.0 speed) + pci-e based boot disk.

  12. Re:Obligatory by malditaenvidia · · Score: 2

    Natalie Portman, hot grits, etc.

  13. Re:Obligatory by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

    A beowulf cluster of Natalie Portman's porn? No....wait...

  14. 2-3TB at affordable prices by phorm · · Score: 1

    I'd rather have 2-3TB at a price that's not going to leave me eating ramen for the next few months than a 15TB that's going to leave me eating ramen for the two years.

    Actually, I'd like to be able to afford two. Redundancy and all...

    1. Re:2-3TB at affordable prices by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      This drive isn't for you. it is for people who need the IOPS and storage density, such as Huge Databases.

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    2. Re:2-3TB at affordable prices by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      WalMart, Niantic, Uber, Goldman Saks ...

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    3. Re:2-3TB at affordable prices by slashping · · Score: 1

      These are mostly made for servers where people want to host large amounts of funny cat movies, and stream them to thousands of viewers at the same time. I like the one with the cucumbers. That one is hilarious.

  15. Re:I'll take 8 please by danbob999 · · Score: 1

    My 32TB file server is down to 200GB free. I've got another TB worth of Blu-rays to backup

    Have you got no shame, violating good laws such as the DMCA like that? Criminal. If you want a copy of a movie you bought on Blu-ray on your computer, you must buy it again!

  16. Re:Huge advances by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    VSAN has proven unreliable in our environment, with no real answers from VMWare. We have pulled it from production do to machines just dropping offline when a disk has timing issues.

    Yes, we used nothing but VMWare approved hardware and run in a sanitized environment. They can't explain what is wrong, and haven't been able to fix the issue. Unstable environments aren't "Enterprise" ready.

    VSAN looked promising, and the promises were such that we bought it. The reality is that it isn't ready IMHO. We wish we could get our money back. Yeah, it is that bad.

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  17. Re:Obligatory by FirstNoel · · Score: 1

    Oh I feel old....

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  18. Re:Huge advances by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

    And I've heard many more people having success with it.

    In fact, googling for vsan failure turns up very few accounts, even in the vmware forums where people complain about everything.

    I haven't tested it out myself yet - hardware costs real money - but most VMware sysadmins see the real benefits to it & are testing the waters.

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  19. Re: Price? by Gondola · · Score: 1

    For this performance and density, the $6000 mentioned by the AC above (a fictitious number I'm assuming, since I can't find any references to an actual price) would be pretty good, if it were true. That's under $400/TB. Consumer-grade drives were at that price/TB not too long ago, for much worse performance and density.

  20. More Data then, uh, Data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In an early Star Trek: The Next Generation, Data states that his storage capacity is 800 TB. With just 50 of these we match 24th century computers. We should measure storage in units of Data now.

  21. Relatively Poor Write Performance by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

    The PM1633a sports random read/write speeds of up to 200,000 and 32,000 IOPS.

    Those are rather lopsided performance spec's - random reads more than six times as fast as random writes. There are much smaller SSD's that offer random read/write speeds of 460,000 and 290,000 IOPS, for example.

    For some applications the larger, slower SSD's may be fine, but for database applications those random write spec's are pretty lacklustre.

  22. Re:Huge advances by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    I'm just telling you our experience. Support from VMWare hasn't been able to resolve our issue (and they have tried).

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  23. Re:color me skeptical by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    i will believe 1.2Gbps when i see it in a respectable review site.

    You should check out reviews of Samsung's _consumer_ PCI-e M.2 SSDs, then. This thing is not that fast by comparison - it's just very dense.

  24. been done. Backblaze, Super Micro are well known by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The Backblaze implementation of top-loading drives is one well-known example. They've 45 drives in 3U (or 4U?) for many years.
    https://www.backblaze.com/blog...

    Nowadays you can order a 90-bay top loader off the shelf from Super Micro:
    http://www.supermicro.com/prod...

  25. 15.38TB... Unformatted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Once your format the drive, you're prob'ly left with about 3.5TB of usable space.

  26. Re:Obligatory by Reeses · · Score: 1

    Bah!

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  27. Re:Huge advances by castionsosa · · Score: 1

    vSANs are going to be more popular once Windows Server 2016 hits the server rooms, because of Storage Spaces Direct. Of course, it would be nice if one could interconnect machines via Infiniband like Isilon nodes do, but even though the technology is somewhat shaky as of now, the buzzword of hyperconvergence is out there, and there may be use cases for it, where one can just add more compute nodes and gain more disk space to the backing store.

    Will it replace a SAN? Not really. In fact, it seems like enterprises are moving to stuff like Tintri and PureStorage, because those tend to be better for the specialized purposes of having the I/O needed for virtualization. vSANs do have their place, but it will be hard to convince people to stop using their tried and true fiber channel fabric, especially for production critical tasks. Eventually, just like virtualization and SANs, it will wind up in production server farms, but vSAN stuff will have to earn its bones first, just like any new technology.

  28. Re: Price? by sudon't · · Score: 1

    They had 30 MB HDs in the seventies? Tell you what though, in the late eighties, I looked into getting a Mac, a scanner, and a laser printer. The whole rig came to around ten grand. I had to wait until the late nineties.

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  29. Re: Price? by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 1

    They had 30 MB HDs in the seventies?

    Sure they did. IBM introduced the 3330 disk, a 100 MB harddisk in June 1970. It was even hot swappable. See 3330 disk to get an idea of what it looked like. Note the handle on the top to facilitate mounting and dismounting it. It did not sell very well among home users though.