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AT&T Wants $100 Million From California Taxpayers For Aging DSL (dslreports.com)

An anonymous reader quotes an article on DSLReports: AT&T is asking California taxpayers to give them $100 million so that it can provide several parts of the state with unreliable, slow and expensive DSL service. Under Assembly Bill 2130 (written by AT&T lobbyists), AT&T would receive $100 million from state taxpayers. In return, AT&T would only need to provide 10 Mbps download and 1 Mbps upload and would have little to no oversight over whether the $100 million is even being used for the DSL service.

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  1. Umm... no. by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really, AT&T? You want yet more money from us, with no oversight or guarantee that you're going to use it for the purpose for which we would give it to you?

    You think we don't see how poorly that arrangement has worked for us in the past? Kindly fuck off.

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  2. Well, Yes, by Etherwalk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But AT&T probably has given at least ONE or two of those millions to the people they're asking for the hundred million. It's really just an investment. The DSL has nothing to do with it.

  3. I'll take it over Comcast and a cap! by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just downgraded to a 2 meg connection for $80 a month so I won't go over the cap with Comcast which was 30 megs. I have no choice in the matter and feel that is a good deal if AT&T won't do caps. 10 megs if fine. DSL is fine for streaming and more appropriate for geeks who do 100 gig caps easily each month. Cable operators are jerks in the matter where they sell LOOK 100 megs ... only 2 gig cap and $10 for each other gig in very small print.

    I know the European readers are shocked and or laughing in disbelief at my comment but welcome to America.

    1. Re:I'll take it over Comcast and a cap! by swb · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, well, you guys are just getting started on mass shootings and we've been doing them for fucking decades. When Charles Whitman was blasting people from the University of Texas tower, you guys couldn't even organize a proper sports riot.

      Now we've got so many mass shootings they barely make it above the fold of the paper. You guys have one and you make it seem like it's a big fucking deal. Get over yourselves.

    2. Re:I'll take it over Comcast and a cap! by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Funny

      Compared to Europe, or even some 3rd world countries, North America (Canada and USA) seem awfully backward and old fashioned. So much stuff seems extremely retro or even antiquated; ... the cars....

      I hate to break it to you, but we drive the same Japanese cars you Europeans do.

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  4. Not a dime up front by twotacocombo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The only way this will ever work is if all payment is withheld until the work is completed, and satisfactorily at that. Unless there's a risk of AT&T having to foot the bill, they'll just continue to rob us blind and shit directly into our mouths, as usual. They just paid almost $50 billion acquiring DirecTV, so I'm sure they still have a few hundred million in petty cash laying around to float this until they're finished.

  5. Universal Service by Etherwalk · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the old POTS system, there was a standard where calls in cities and business telephone services overcharged heavily in order to subsidize the much more expensive rural phone lines, so that everybody in the country had a MUCH better chance of being able to afford a phone line if they wanted to.

    In theory that is probably the argument behind this--but in practice it is probably just that AT&T paid them a few million in donations and want a hundred million steered toward AT&T.

    1. Re:Universal Service by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Does that mean the $100 million DSL lines will be property of the taxpayers, and AT&T will merely provide the labor without getting any ownership?

      Or does AT&T want us to buy their cake, eat most of it and rent the remaining crumbs back to us at a profit?

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  6. Re:and unsurprisingly... by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Comcast, Time Warner, and AT&T are having a contest

    1. Who can be the biggest dick to their customer.
    2. Who can screw over local governments the most.
    3. Who can screw over State governments the most.
    4. Grand Prize, screw over the Federal Government and ALL taxpayers.

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  7. no.... by IMightB · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Didn't we give these companies billions in tax credits and incentives in the late 90's and early 2000's to upgrade and expand their infrastructure? Now they want more? Dont they make any money from the fees they charge customers to pay for this sort of stuff? Why do they need the taxpayer to cough up cash for them?

    Also, I live three houses down from where Century Link in installing fiber in denver. Though I can see the equipment from my window and am less than a football field away, I'm not optimistic regarding my chances for getting FTTH, or even something better than cable service.

  8. AT&T had $5 BILLION free cash flow in 3rd quar by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Informative

    I checked AT&T's corporate site to see how dire their cash situation is. If this company is asking the taxpayers to foot the bill for upgrading their network then they must be in serious trouble.

    According to AT&T's press release dated October 22, 2015, AT&T had $39.1 billion in consolidated revenue, up 19% from the previous period (primarily due to the DirecTV purchase).

    They also had $10.8 billion in cash from operations and $5 billion in free cash flow.

    Apparently making a few billion dollars in a single quarter equates to not being able to spend $100 million to upgrade their own equipment. Who would have thought?

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  9. Business as usual by demigod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is Business as usual in the Corporate States of America.

    The companies write the laws that say we have to pay them.

    profit.
     

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  10. Re:Let it begin by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Counteroffer should be that AT&T pays back the BILLIONS in subsidies they have already received and actually builds out the fiber that they've already promised to build!

    And then the state should confiscate it and then use competitive bidding to decide who gets to manage it. Why? Because FUCK YOU, AT&T, that's why!

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