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Reddit Deletes Surveillance 'Warrant Canary' In Transparency Report (reuters.com)

Arthur Dent '99 writes: Today, Reddit deleted wording in its transparency report that would normally indicate that they had not received any "national security letters" or "other classified requests for user information." Such "national security letters" contain penalties for telling others about the request, as the government wishes to keep the request secret. However, because Reddit had placed pre-existing wording in their transparency report in the event of such a letter, they were able to simply delete the existing wording to passively inform others that a request had been received, without actually saying anything at all. This usage of pre-existing wording is known as a "warrant canary" to indicate danger, such as real canaries were used in the past to indicate the presence of deadly gases in coal mines.

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  1. Re:It's April 1st by Zak3056 · · Score: 5, Informative

    FWIW, the date on TFA is yesterday.

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  2. Warrant canary by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The most troublesome facet of these surveillance requests is the shroud of secrecy the NSL operates under. No questions, no information releases..

    If you need to legitimately collect information, consider that behaving like the Stasi probably sends the wrong message.

    Folks are growing tired of the if you have nothing to hide ruse.

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  3. Re:It's April 1st by RobinH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only thing I've seen so far is that the scores and user IDs are appearing in binary. Better than the flood of stupid april fools stories, in my opinion.

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  4. Re: Reddit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lots of people migrated to voat.co after the great SJW mod censorshitting.

  5. The problem is with hipsters/Millennials. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Reddit isn't the only place that's an "over-moderated propaganda safe space". All of the major and minor discussion sites with public moderation systems are like that now. Hacker News, Stack Overflow, and even Slashdot to some extent exhibit this problem. That's because the problem isn't with the sites, it's with the thin-skinned hipsters and Millennials who abuse the moderation systems on those sites. As more hipster and Millennial types have started using these sites, the moderation abuse has ramped up, resulting in what we're faced with now. The type of moderation system doesn't even matter. If there's some way of censoring other users, then hipsters and Millennials will find a way to severely abuse it to suppress any and all discussion they disagree with.

  6. Re:Legality by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, I'm sure that Reddit and other users like Apple have terrible lawyers, and we should all take the advice of a semi-anonymous stranger on Slashdot.

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  7. Re:Legality by Iamthecheese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until there's a legal challenge to a warrant canary it does mean something. It's not a matter of deleting something but of failing to publish. That's an important difference. The government can't yet compel a person or company to actively tell a lie. The legal foundation (IMO unconstitutional but that's a whole new rant) for these gag orders does not include language that could allow the government to compel such a thing.

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  8. Re: Reddit by Iamthecheese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    being respectful to one another does not in any way diminish the capacity for meaningful debate or intelligent conversation

    This is true right up until you start defining "being respectful" as "agreeing with the groupthink". And if you're pretending that's not the definition of respect on the new Reddit I'll call you a liar.

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  9. Re: Reddit by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yep. The worst thing you can do about someone complaining about the direction the site is going is suggest to them that they type another URL. You'll get nothing but push back from 20 somethings olds that have been on Reddit since it launched. They lose their shit about how they're being 'censored' despite every other website still working.

    I'm sitting here watching Good Morning America & The Today Show and they're getting live Twitter feedback. You can't have wild card unsafe spaces view-able to the mainstream. "Twitter is censoring me!", "Stop using it", "BUT I CAN'T NOT USE TWITTER MAKE THEM STOP CENSORING ME".

    When Slashdot went down the tubes I found Reddit. Now that Slashdot is under new ownership and they seem to care about the 'core base' I'm back. I never got over the Fark redesign and new moderation. (They also tried to pander to the same crowd, getting rid of Foobies on the main page). There are thousands of forums, websites, IRC channels, etc out there. If you disagree with one there's no reason not to move on.

  10. The very existance of ... by MitchDev · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... these "national security letters" is garbage and is a prime example how far into a totalitarian state america has fallen...