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CIA Left Inert Explosives On School Bus After Exercise (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Students were transported in a Virginia school bus carrying inert explosives left by the CIA, officials said. The explosives were discovered in the engine, only after the Loudoun County Public Schools bus was undergoing maintenance. "The CIA assured Loudoun officials the training material used in this exercise is stable and posed no danger to students on board the bus," it said in a statement. The school district said the inert explosives, left behind by a CIA canine team, were inside a container and part of them apparently fell out into the engine space.

73 comments

  1. Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody died. Laugh.

  2. April Fools... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...unfortunately not...

  3. Intert? by surfdaddy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they're intert, they're not explosives. They are imitation explosives.

    1. Re:Intert? by radaos · · Score: 4, Funny

      OMG! They left an oxymoron on the bus!

    2. Re:Intert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Generally in explosives training you try to keep the morons from oxidizing. Otherwise the result may be an oxymoron.

    3. Re:Intert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Inert explosives: Safe enough to keep on your kids' school bus, but a 4oz container of it in your carry-on is an incident.

    4. Re:Intert? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

      If they're intert, they're not explosives. They are imitation explosives.

      Thank God they didn't leave a clock.

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    5. Re:Intert? by meerling · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Inert is a munitions that won't explode, period. Often a device filled with concrete. In the case of trying to imitate a c4 device, clay or playdo.
      However, almost anything can be made to explode if know what you're doing. So long ago in junior high (this was before all the stupid paranoia) in science class we made explosives from many things, including charcoal, sugar, and steel. It's just basic chemistry. As to the sugar, we didn't just make it explode, we also made some rocket motors from it. It's a high caloric material, so that kind of stuff is really easy with it. The worst of the lot was the steel. Needed oxidizers and stuff. It's been too long, and I don't remember what all we did with it. Oh well, posting that kind of stuff these days would probably have a swat team running a tank through your front door. It's amazing how ignorant and cowardly people are anymore.

    6. Re:Intert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long was the bus, though?

    7. Re:Intert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      However, almost anything can be made to explode if know what you're doing.

      And have access to a sufficient quantity of antimatter.

    8. Re:Intert? by Megol · · Score: 0

      There are a lot of high explosives that could be considered (practically) inert in the standard form. Without a proper initiator most military explosives are almost impossible to get to explode, requiring something like an intensive fire triggering a high speed deflagration that transform to a detonation that in turn triggers the explosive. Very unlikely.

      But I agree that this is probably an imitation using something like modelling clay with traces of some explosive in it.

    9. Re: Intert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucky you, all I got in school even remotely related to chemistry was a thought exercise. Something along the lines of "what would happen if we exploded light?" Fucking brain dead bullshit. Obviously we would wreck the planet if not more.

    10. Re:Intert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, they were real explosives according to ABC (http://abcnews.go.com/US/cia-accidentally-left-explosive-training-material-school-bus/story?id=38079658)

      “CIA and Loudoun County explosives experts have confirmed that the training material did not pose a danger to passengers on the bus,” the department said. “As a precaution, all buses that were used or were near the training exercise at the Briar Woods High School were further searched and nothing was found."

      Wayde Byard, spokesman for Loudoun County Schools, told ABC News that a specialized blasting cap would be needed to detonate the explosives.

    11. Re:Intert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to read the article (maybe a better one than the linked to one).

      "but school spokesman Wayde Byard said it had no detonator or triggering device and posed no threat to students. "

      IE, if you ignore the newspeak in the articles about this case it sounds like they left real explosives (though presumably only a small amount) on the bus but claim that they were "inert" because they weren't rigged to go off. Its a little like someone with a Molotov cocktail claiming that it was "inert" because they didn't have a lighter on their person.

    12. Re: Intert? by clovis · · Score: 1

      Lucky you, all I got in school even remotely related to chemistry was a thought exercise. Something along the lines of "what would happen if we exploded light?" Fucking brain dead bullshit. Obviously we would wreck the planet if not more.

      Exploding light? You talking about Solaronite. It is well known that solaronite would explode the entire universe.
      There is a documentary film you should see:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    13. Re: Intert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. More like calling a gas can and a glass bottle a Molotov cocktail. We generally mix a very small amount of whatever explosive we're simulating with clay so that the dogs and sniffers can detect it. The training spray works okay for the detectors, but the dogs aren't fooled.

    14. Re:Intert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure it got longer after the CIA got off.

    15. Re: Intert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could have caused an inert explosion!!! Or some terrowrizt could have used them to build an INERTIA BOMB!!!

    16. Re: Intert? by laurencetux · · Score: 2

      $10M for detector tech and its outdone by a $0.8K dog (not counting equipment and "programming" for either).

      shouldn't this kind of thing have a checklist/inventory sheet to prevent this from happening??

    17. Re:Intert? by TRRosen · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they would probably need something like a super high voltage shock to set it off. Luckily there's nothing like that in a engine compartment.

    18. Re:Intert? by IBitOBear · · Score: 1

      Was a photo also found of a someone making a gun shape with their fingers and holding a note making no demands?

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  4. Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So fucking what. Kids leave inert gum and pencils on the bus and no one reports about that.

    1. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if one of those pencils should come into contact with even a small amount of antimatter, BOOM! Goodbye, schoolkids. Please, think of the children.

    2. Re: Yawn by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 2

      Nah, it's dihydrogen monoxide you should worry about. Dangerous, addictive, and produces explosive materials when electricity passes through. You know what Sandy Hook, Columbine and your local school have in common? Easy access to dihydrogen monoxide, that's what! Ban it today!

    3. Re: Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for that non-sequitur of a middle-school joke.

  5. Left shit behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've never left shit behind after doing a field exercise. They were inerts.

    1. Re: Left shit behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I left shit behind in a public restroom once... And it definitely wasn't inert.

  6. Intentional by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

    They were investigating the potential for bomb-sniffing schoolchildren.

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  7. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah. And the next time you travel, if the pilot is hammered but manages to get you there alive there's nothing wrong with that right? No harm, no foul?

  8. Re:So what? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

    Posts elsewhere concluded it was C4.

  9. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah. "Inert explosives" is a misnomer.

  10. The bus needed to get over 50 to arm them any ways by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 5, Funny

    The bus needed to get over 50 to arm them any ways

  11. Re:So what? by chuckugly · · Score: 1

    How would C4 be inert? In that it's not presently exploding?

  12. Sooo.... by watermark · · Score: 3, Funny

    The bomb sniffing dogs failed their training then?

    1. Re:Sooo.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The dogs aren't really able to find bombs. They are just supposed to be seen sniffing around the bus while on a leash held by an LEO. It helps parents feel better about letting their precious snowflakes ride a vehicle driven by a stranger.

    2. Re:Sooo.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no their handlers forgot to signal them to bark, or is that the drug sniffer dogs?

    3. Re:Sooo.... by DavidMZ · · Score: 1, Funny

      Or maybe trained so well that they just thought "this stuff is inert anyways, why bother?"

    4. Re:Sooo.... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Drug sniffer dogs don't need a signal, they've been trained to recognise a black person by themselves.

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  13. What else has been dropped? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    "Hey Bobby, look what I found under the seat! It says, 'Area fifty one time portal module 7'. And a button! I wonder what happens if I pr [ZZZZERRRRRP]..."

  14. NOT An April Fool's Joke by McGruber · · Score: 1

    The story is NOT an April Fool's Joke -- it really happened!

    1. Re: NOT An April Fool's Joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This guy's comment was a joke, though

  15. Re:So what? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    not presently exploding

    Just like the North Korean nuclear arsenal.

  16. dihydrogen monoxide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you should have also mentioned it's a poison !! Inhaling dihydrogen monoxide in your lung kills you in minutes.

  17. Re:The bus needed to get over 50 to arm them any w by nintendoeats · · Score: 1

    Haha, I see the flaw in their terrorist plot.

  18. They Can't Account For Their Own.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they can't even keep a hold of their own supplies while in a controlled environment....scary.

    1. Re:They Can't Account For Their Own.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's worse than that: the reason you don't see bomb-sniffing dogs on airliners is that the various gummint agencies stupidly ran so many tests with live explosives that almost all aircraft in the commercial fleet smell enough like explosives to fool the dogs. Idiot gummmint training renders actual real-life bomb searches futile due to false positives.

      Ha.

    2. Re:They Can't Account For Their Own.... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that was my fault, I had beans last night.

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  19. Make this into a movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except that the explosives aren't inert, they're live, and primed, and wired into the speedometer of the school bus, and will detonate if the bus drops under 50mph, and only a movie hero who spews witty catch phrases like "whoa" and "dude" can save the children.

    Yep, I'd download that.

  20. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You can cut chunks of C4 off and burn it like sterno to heat a can of beans. You can shoot C4 point blank with a rifle and it won't explode. So, yeah, it's explosively inert as a chunk of wood is... until you add the high voltage blasting charge.

  21. Had it exploded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Had it exploded they could just blame in on ISIS and move on.

  22. Not so fast, I wasn't born yesterday. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Accidentally left after a training exercise? Or, was it just a foiled "ISIS" false flag attack meant to manufacture more consent for war? Are we just going to ignore that's part of the CIA's job description?

    If they actually just got so sloppy as to leave behind training materials, well then someone's head should be rolling soon... and video taped, staring a British guy claiming to be a terrorist.

  23. Whats the CIA doing this for by rossdee · · Score: 2

    Shouldn't this be the FBI's job?

    Yeah I know this is a joke anyway.

    1. Re:Whats the CIA doing this for by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      So the CIA has to go out of the US do to their training too?

    2. Re:Whats the CIA doing this for by tobiah · · Score: 1

      good point, the CIA is not allowed to operate in the USA ..or in my kid's school

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    3. Re:Whats the CIA doing this for by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      No shit; the CIA doesn't look for explosives in school buses; other people look for the CIA's explosives in school buses (and in this case would appear to have found them).

  24. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  25. Not that movie, this movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Practice exercise is filmed, then used to simulate a false flag "terrorism event". The non-April Fool part? We get to lose more of our freedoms. Yay!!!

  26. All explosives are inert... by edibobb · · Score: 1

    ...until they explode.

  27. Not April Fools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have two kids in Loudoun County schools and I got the email last night. Not funny.

  28. Central Intelligence Agency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Autorized to collect Foreign Intelligence, have NO police powers, not authorized to collect intelligence inside USA
    What are they doing with explosives in the first place? Why would an intelligence collecting service need
    bomb sniffing dogs? Whay are there ANY CIA operatives in this country at all?
    Why don't ANY news services ask any of these questions?
    Yikes!

  29. I hope they drained the gas tank by goombah99 · · Score: 0

    For the school kids safety did they leave live gasoline in the engine compartment too?

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    1. Re:I hope they drained the gas tank by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      gasoline

      I hope not, gasoline would really screw up those diesel engines.

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  30. Or.... by Bugler412 · · Score: 1

    an ineptly failed false flag operation intended to justify continued war against brown people

    1. Re:Or.... by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      an ineptly failed false flag operation intended to justify continued war against brown people

      Extremely inept, considering that the exercises were announced beforehand.

  31. Let me guess... by blindseer · · Score: 1

    I would imagine that if *I* left an inert explosive on a school bus after a training exercise I had that I would not get off as lightly as these people in the CIA just did.

    I also noticed that the wording is such that the implication is that these were not in fact explosives but they stopped at saying that. If they were not explosives then they would say that these were not explosives. Since they were explosives then they have to make it sound like it wasn't a big deal by calling them "inert".

    I guess that everything is "inert" until it isn't. What would they call an explosive that was no longer 'inert"? Wouldn't they call that "hot gasses"?

    This is a problem and people should lose their job over this, or at least get a few days without pay to think about what they did.

    One question, doesn't the CIA have enough money to just *buy* a school bus for training like this?

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    1. Re:Let me guess... by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      FYI, I live in, and my daughter attends school, in this district. Here are a few details not in TFS (direct from LCPS):

      In response to this incident, the Sheriff’s Office, Fire Marshal, LCPS and the CIA announced that this particular training program has been suspended until a thorough review of all procedures is completed. As part of the training exercise last week, canine explosive detection training was conducted in areas inside and outside of Briar Woods. During the outside portion, a container holding the training material was hidden inside the engine compartment of a bus. At some point, a portion of the material appears to have fallen from the container into the engine compartment. The material that fell from the container was not recovered following the training. On Wednesday night, the Sheriff’s Office and Fire Marshall’s Office used three canine units to inspect any buses that were parked at Briar Woods during the training exercise purely as a precaution. No further traces of the training material were found.

      Saying that they "left some explosives on the bus" is a simplification.

  32. The CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    leaves explosives lots of places. Syria, Libya, Iraq, South America...

  33. kids as a training exercise. by Hylandr · · Score: 1

    Don't you just love a country that uses our kids as a training exercise. Nothing worrisome about that at all!

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  34. why? by TRRosen · · Score: 1

    used busses only cost about a grand or two but they needed to borrow busses from a school district?

    1. Re:why? by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      used busses only cost about a grand or two but they needed to borrow busses from a school district?

      Actually, they borrowed the whole school.

  35. Re:The bus needed to get over 50 to arm them any w by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    But those a "bom"s, this is clearly a bomb, totally different thing.

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  36. "I told you so!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But if they exploded, would CIA take responsibility, or put the blame on terrorism?