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China Censors Online Discussion About Panama Papers (bbc.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from BBC: China appears to be censoring social media posts on the Panama Papers document leak which has named several members of China's elite, including President Xi Jinping's brother-in-law. Hundreds of posts on networks such as Sina Weibo and Wechat on the topic have been deleted since Monday morning. According to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ), the Panama Papers show that Mr. Deng acquired two offshore companies in 2009, at a time when Mr. Xi was rising in politics. State media appeared to black out the news. But many on microblogging network Sina Weibo and mobile chat network Wechat were discussing the topic on Monday morning, sharing Chinese translations of details of the story, including information on Mr. Deng. A hashtag created on the topic quickly trended. Checks by the BBC found that by the end of the day many of those posts had disappeared, with at least 481 discussions deleted from the hashtag's Weibo topic page, and other posts shared on Wechat also deleted. The website Freeweibo.com, which actively tracks censorship on Weibo, listed "Panama" as the second-most censored term on the network.
Weibo is heavily censored, but there are alternative search engines for weibo which are outside of China's jurisdiction
One example is https://freeweibo.com/
For example, in the 'Panama Papers' case, (if you know Mandarin), you do not enter the "Pa Na Ma" in pu tong hua as they are, but using alternative words to search
Despite the hundreds of thousands of censors from China, there are still a lot of conversations taking place, even inside weibo, regarding the "Panama Papers"
LOL.
Obama lectures us like a pious college professor about inequality/Islam and yet he stashes his loot in off shore banks. I bet Hillary does the same shit, and /,'ers will vote for her none the less.
This is precisely why shit never changes. You poseurs vote for the same D / R people in ever election.
Vote for Sanders or Jill Stein or the communist person or whatever. Anyone other than D / R.
Upon further digging, I found out that weibo might be censored, but the "Panama Papers" has proven to be too hot to contain
http://www.jianshu.com/p/463d19e7f47a?from=timeline&isappinstalled=0
The above link is an example - it is a link from the Jian Shu province of China, and the author of the comment has dished out quite a lot of details, including the photocopy of the passport of the daughter of a former Chinese premier
I do not know how long the above link will remain valid - but the existence of the above link is a proof that the "Panama Papers" has spread throughout the Chinese online world
The real problem for this one for the Chinese government is that, if I recall correctly, one of the few things (only thing?) that can be legally protested over is the corruption of government officials.
This could really blow up in their faces. Badly.
"China censors" should be sufficient.
As an EU citizen, I'm appalled that Chinese citizens don't have free access to information and don't have free speech. This is wrong and goes against everything we believe in. It is our duty to spread our freedom to the world and demand that non-free countries become free. If necessary, we should use force. I'm advocating going to war with China and the United States for the good of the people in those countries. It's unacceptable for leaders to censor information that might make them look bad. We're free to speak out against our governments, spread any ideas we desire, and read or hear any information that might be available. That includes things that are damaging to our leaders. This freedom is a human right. We have a duty to demand human rights for all. If China doesn't allow free access to information, we should go to war with them. If the United States doesn't allow free access to information, we need to go to war with them, as well. Freedom is more important than even political and military alliances.
From what I've heard about China, this is a big deal. Living in or near China, people generally say they're allowed to talk online, even criticizing the government, so long as they don't plan to meet. As soon as the talk turns toward actions, it becomes verboten. (Someone living in China, please correct me if I'm wrong.)
So this must be quite a big deal. It'll be interesting to see whether there's aftermath to the censorship.
A cat can't teach a dog to bark.
>China has been surprisingly open WRT to the Panama Papers
What are you talking about? This is an article about China censoring those papers. That is kind of the opposite of being "surprisingly open".
You poseurs vote for the same D / R people in ever election.
People do change. Elect a nice guy and he becomes an asshole.
That is a human nature and there is not much to do about that.
See Stanford experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Look ma, no Americans in the list of released names....And you USA wankers worry about China...bloody Americans
Yeah 40 year olds on skateboards with beards and glasses. Come to my school and you'll see this shit in spaids.
What is it with beards and glasses?
Really? Do a google search on "Panama Papers". Hell, it even has a wikipedia page on them. And no one stopping you from going to Guardian and reading them. I suspect the U.S. doesn't give a flying rat's ass about them. Not that many Americans had accounts with the Panamanian firm, those that do mainly seem to have them for purchasing property in L. America. Also, the U.S. has rather lax laws, so there was no need to go to Panama.
There is speculation that the U.S.'s own Panama, Delaware, will have to open up but I have my doubts. Their financial cesspool of legislation makes a lot of money for the state. Many companies incorporate there because of their lax laws. They are also the kingpin in bankruptcies...case in point, SCO, but they are small potatoes to what's really going on there.
China's political party turns back from the sea, into the desert. They speak of corruption, but in reality, when faced with it, in their families, they do nothing. So much for 'communism'. Really, they are oligarchs.
Ever heard the term "obvious troll is obvious"?
Obama lectures us like a pious college professor about inequality/Islam and yet he stashes his loot in off shore banks.
Obama hasn't earned Big Money yet. You don't earn a lot when you are the president of the United States. You make Big Money after your terms by giving talks starting at $100,000 per hour, and peddling influence. Hell, next year, Obama could offer a cup of his piss or shit on eBay and folks would bid for it.
I bet Hillary does the same shit
Being that she was cozy with Wall Street types . . . that's pretty much a given. Her customers are used to doing Panama deals.
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Consortium_of_Investigative_Journalists
just see who funds the icij then talk about china censoring results.
Hint: it's the us gov plus many big interests groups.
Shocking!
It's eerily reminiscent of the Waussau paper, for those who remember that.
The REAL problem with the Panama Papers is that they were turned over to the mainstream media outlets, who have ONLY published dirt on people who we already knew were dirty. And people are noticing:
http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2016/04/the-panama-papers-where-are-the-americans-000083
Here's a "partial list" of people named in the Panama Papers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_named_in_the_Panama_Papers
This article is not even findable via Google no matter how specific you are with the search terms:
http://undergroundreporter.org/something-oddly-missing-from-largest-leak-since-snowden/
Now, I know this is going to sound like conspiracy theory talk, but who benefits from this leak? Western power brokers, that's who. Their foreign contemporaries are all now embattled, especially that Icelandic guy who had the nerve to *gasp* allow the banks to fail after the GFC. What fucking cheek!
A post from lower down:
"dig deeper you american idiots. While I have no love for the people targeted by this *leak*, for the most part the people targeted are enemies of the US state and the American banking cartel: Putin, Chinese dudes, that dude from Iceland whose country had the balls to default on the banks, and the list goes on. Then you have the lack of information actually released (wake me when I can get the torrent on the pirate bay) - thus nothing was actually *released*. And that this information was bought to you by a George Friggin Sorros of all people..."
"To get rich is glorious." remember?
President Xi is going through a massive "anti-corruption" campaign right now; so far they've arrested several thousand party members and bureaucrats and many thousands more have been thrown from office, their fortunes confiscated.
https://www.chinafile.com/infographics/visualizing-chinas-anti-corruption-campaign
The purpose of this campaign is not so much to root out corruption however, it's Xi's attempt to consolidate power. He's using the offshore holdings and shady dealings, which are as prevalent amongst his supporters as they are against his political opponents, to squash potential rivals or remove obstacles to his consolidation of power; this is the same thing that happened under Deng Xiao Ping and it's the same thing that happened under the Cultural Revolution under Mao.
In this, the Panama Papers play right into his hands. He'll lose a few supporters like his brother-in-law sure, but there's far too much evidence for him to use against his detractors in these papers that he's going to take the hit; the net effect of this release will only increase his power in China. So in this, it's not surprising at all that they "haven't been able to squash discussion" of the Panama Papers; they play right into his consolidation of power. So there's a token effort to censor it that is "failing", but he wants it to fail, he wants the discussion there to justify his removal of people that aren't his direct supporters.
Lots of replies for such a painfully obvious troll. Shame.
This is the logical equivalent of "Well, the Americans don't seem to like Hitler, soooo...."
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
If you read the criticism section of that very page you'll see a lot of good reasons to disregard that experiment. No controls in place, for example. You can't say anything about human behaviour based off that experiment IMO. I'm not opining on the broader question of power corrupting people. Sure, it seems to have a tendency to.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
David Cameron doesn't seem to be benefitting. Do we not include his dad because it doesn't fit your theory?
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
I suspect the U.S. doesn't give a flying rat's ass about them.
Either that or censorship over here doesn't operate in the blatant, simplistic fashion that it does in China.
> The REAL problem with the Panama Papers is that they were turned over to the mainstream media outlets
you're right. they should have sent it to Wikileaks.
HAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAA oh dear lord
Ever heard the term "obvious troll is obvious"?
Yes, but I still don't get why you need to repeat the adjective twice.
"spades", numbnuts. And what's wrong with being 40 on a skateboard? Not all of us are balding, paunchy, wrinkled physical wrecks at 40.
For some reason, that Icelandic guy wasn't premier minister, wenn Iceland defaulted. He only became premier minister in 2013, while the Icelandic banking crisis was in 2009. That punches some little, very little hole in your theory.
Link? I can't find it on Duck Duck Go.
Aggression does, defending someone else doesn't. We don't have a right to take away someone else's rights just because some voting took place.
The only surprising thing is that the operations being disclosed in the Panama Papers are mostly legal. Of course, legal to those who can afford them. Such legality was deliberately created by the elite so that they might be exempt from the same draconian taxation that they imposed on the rest of us to finance their crony privileges and elections. The only scandal is that we the people cannot shelter our meager savings from the voracious appetite of the ultimate elite, the state.
Obama lectures us like a pious college professor about inequality/Islam and yet he stashes his loot in off shore banks.
Obama hasn't earned Big Money yet. You don't earn a lot when you are the president of the United States. You make Big Money after your terms by giving talks starting at $100,000 per hour, and peddling influence. Hell, next year, Obama could offer a cup of his piss or shit on eBay and folks would bid for it.
I bet Hillary does the same shit
Confirmed. Six Billion Dollars are Missing from Hillary's State Department. That's Billion, with a 'B'. Gone, unaccounted for. They can't find it. Huh. Think how much she could steal if she was actually President. ~Enjoy.
"spades", numbnuts. And what's wrong with being 40 on a skateboard? Not all of us are balding, paunchy, wrinkled physical wrecks at 40.
HIPSTER SPOTTED! Hint: Dude, a plaid shirt does not go with striped pants. So... yeah. ~
Or at 50. ahhh. Except for that balding part. Have little control over that - except for taking a razor to it.
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
I'm pretty old. I think they're pulling your chain. The only thing I can remember is a paper company by that name. I'm not sure if they were bought out by IP or GP, however. I'm mostly familiar with IP and GP, I've bought land from both of their remaining entities.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
A shame? You look at it wrong. Not at all - that was a brilliant bit of baiting. You might even say that the AC is a Master Baiter.
Trolls are gonna troll. I appreciate reading the replies to a good troll. Sometimes they make you think. Sometimes they're even right. Hell, sometimes it's the right thing to do.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
I have always wondered, where does the 1% keep all their money?
People say their money is invested, but we all know that is a blatant lie.
It is sitting in offshore accounts, doing absolutely nothing, except hiding.
The Icelandic president has just gone. Who next?
actually you can download the data.
Same page that lets you do a search of the data by name, company, country, etc.
love the taste, hate the texture
Including those named in the Unaoil scandal, which has been conveniently pushed off the front pages.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
This article is not even findable via Google no matter how specific you are with the search terms
erm, would that be because of robots.txt blocking google form indexing the site? http://undergroundreporter.org...?
Jackie Chan and Tina Turner. Very interesting.
I'll see your paranoid conspiracy and raise you a very conclusive fact complete with its original source material. Behold, the entire contents of http://undergroundreporter.org/robots.txt:
Now it just doesn't seem so odd that Googlebot didn't visit, does it? The index will never contain it and the search results will never display it.
This is what we keep telling those rent-seeking bastards at foreign newspapers to do if they don't want everyone looking at their stuff on Google news. The least you could do is check it before crying about paranoid conspiracies.
You have heard of inheritance yes?
"no one stopping you from going to Guardian and reading them" ... the Panama Papers?? Really? The public can read them all?
I was about to slam the AC for this one, then Googled it myself:
http://www.washingtontimes.com...
Though I doubt Hillary had anything to do with this issue, it does make her look bad as the ultimate manager of the department.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?